Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Barbara Ann, I appreciate your comments even though I do not agree with them. I understand the heat of your passion and your need to defend something (your perceptions). Hopefully by the time you are done reading this you will realize this never was an either/or situation in the first place. You are right I do everything I do for my own purpose, even when I think I'm not. (And so do...?) And even though I do everything I do for my own purpose it does not invalidate the energy model, in fact it adds more validity to it. It works great. First, I never claimed Donna's Energy Model is false because she doesn't present one and what Donna teaches is easily incorporated, supported and validate by the tenants of the energy model. In fact Donna talks about 8 different energy systems. She does not put forth a quote " energy model " . She talks about the 8 different systems but she does not present an overall energy model, no presuppositions, etc.The Model is a chunk up from the techniques. Like before most people became aware of NLP they had not model for subjectivity but we all had techniques. No one has in fact presented a quote " normal " energy model. I presented one four years ago from my research, that incorporates as many disciples as possible and easily can be used with any energy systems. The problem is no one else has presented an energy model so to speak, since then. So many other authors are using the energy model or no model at all in their work. Why are you feeling threatened here? This is the same model I use to promote any product whether I'm using EFT, Emotrance, Shallow PEAT, Deep PEAT, DP3, Energy Medicine. Healing Codes. You act like I have products that are totally different. I don't know where you got that idea. I was doing EFT and time-line work in the halls of the International Huna Convention the year I met Doc John and he was teaching Energy Medicine in the main auditorium. I help John get even interested enough in EFT and get EFT material to start with. Of course when I spent time with Doc John teaching him more about EFT I was doing that for my own purposes too. Everything on this list works fantastic with the energy model. Please stop feeling threatened and see how they work together. The Energy Model I am using is completely in line with the 3 Universal Laws that every group that Doc John owns goes by. In fact the Energy Model is way more in-line with the 3 Universal Laws than what you seem to be standing behind here. You can get as angry as you choose and yet the things that are taught on this group EFT and Energy Medicine easily follow the energy model I presented. Just because you have a different model doesn't make you right and me wrong or the other way around. My products that I sell are EFT and NLP which is used and discussed on this list. Shallow PEAT I give away for free. No need to sell that. The processes that I do with people Deep PEAT and DP3 are Spiritual Technology which is a little different and requires other understanding. But they are not products I sell. They are actual experiences that I help others have. Saying that what I said was not what Callahan, Craig and others put forth means you are deliberately telling untruths for your own purpose and what you are selling or somehow you missed the discovery statement on page 18 of the EFT Manual, which says " the cause of all negative emotions is a disruption in the energy system. " I simply include all pain, suffering, discomfort and dis-ease along with negative emotions as energy is the bases of all of them. No where was I deleting the entire premise of the mind, only separating it out from the energy system. As does the discovery statement. Of course the mind system has an effect on the energy system and visa-versa. You could have easily seen that if you had actually read the entire page on the energy model. Instead you jumped to conclusions, which is fine and I will deal with here. Of course the mind can cause energy to flow any direction that is its' blessing and its' curse. Energy is designed to flow in one direction. It is neither positive or negative. Those are labels applied and given by the MIND, not the energy system. The Mind System and the Energy System are two different systems. That is why they require two different models. It is a matter of clarity (I know clarity is a mind system thing.) Why are you making accusations and ignoring the basic principle that all energy work were based on over 6000 years ago. Because more than invalidating energy work in China (Taoism) I am way more in-line and validating of the whole yin/yang-balance concept from the beginning. Sorry you feel other wise. It is also more in line with Quantum Physics. Energy can flow both ways it depends upon the expectations of the observer. It is the ole' both wave and particle at the same time. I appreciate that you feel that you need to defend Donna Eden. Donna does not need to be defended. I see and feel energy (not as well as Donna and others). I am not saying Donna is wrong. I am saying that we all take what we learn from others and put them through our mental filters. As an example when we say someone's energy is reversed. The energy is not actually running the opposite direction (it is not doing a reverse figure 8) it is running up and down. That is way more an indication of blockage, disruption, or resistance than energy running the other way. We use the term " you are reversed " when we actually mean you energy is running up and down instead of in a figure 8. This is also true of all machine's that are used to detect and test energy. All the test indicate restriction and blockage. The results are reported as reversal. I am not invalidating Donna at all, in fact I'm adding more validity to her techniques. The same with EFT/Shallow PEAT and any other Energy Psychology. Yes I do define differently on this group and other groups as well, I am a researcher, teacher and a coach. I have never said I was not. If what I write is yes and amen, atta boy/girl. It wouldn't be worth writing and it wouldn't be of benefit to anyone. Least of all myself... because I do, do everything I do for my own purposes. I apologize for hurting or offending your sensibilities and beliefs and yet learning to chunk to different levels is also a very valuable skill taught on this list. If you allow yourself to make the slight shift you might find another tool you can use " the energy model " (it supports and includes rather than negate and separates.) What you ( and others) see as a distortion, still others see as a clarification but then they use logical levels and understand models (mind and energy) are just models and they see where they work together. And yes Barbara Ann, just like you and every other person on the planet, I do and say everything for my own purpose. How could it be any other way? (Such as your interpretations of what I wrote.) Just as your response (purpose, what you were selling) to my post was Doc Houston is wrong and trying to sell a product. My response (purpose, what I am selling) is to agree with half of your presupposition (i.e. everyone is always selling all the time) and give clarity and inclusion on the other part of your presup. Barbara Ann, thank you for the physic attack. Since the 3rd presupposition of the energy model is humans are not containers and simply a conduit, It is always useful to have the energy flow through and redirected, when it is not resisted it strengthens the system. To Your Best, Dr. Houston Vetter http://www.achieve-your-potential.com P.S. Buy my stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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