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Barbara Ann,

 

I appreciate your comments even though I do not agree with them. I

understand the heat of your passion and your need to defend something (your

perceptions). Hopefully by the time you are done reading this you will

realize this never was an either/or situation in the first place. You are

right I do everything I do for my own purpose, even when I think I'm not.

(And so do...?) And even though I do everything I do for my own purpose it

does not invalidate the energy model, in fact it adds more validity to it.

It works great.

 

First, I never claimed Donna's Energy Model is false because she doesn't

present one and what Donna teaches is easily incorporated, supported and

validate by the tenants of the energy model.

 

In fact Donna talks about 8 different energy systems. She does not put

forth a quote " energy model " . She talks about the 8 different systems but

she does not present an overall energy model, no presuppositions, etc.The

Model is a chunk up from the techniques. Like before most people became

aware of NLP they had not model for subjectivity but we all had techniques.

 

No one has in fact presented a quote " normal " energy model. I presented one

four years ago from my research, that incorporates as many disciples as

possible and easily can be used with any energy systems. The problem is no

one else has presented an energy model so to speak, since then. So many

other authors are using the energy model or no model at all in their work.

 

Why are you feeling threatened here? This is the same model I use to

promote any product whether I'm using EFT, Emotrance, Shallow PEAT, Deep

PEAT, DP3, Energy Medicine. Healing Codes. You act like I have products

that are totally different. I don't know where you got that idea. I was

doing EFT and time-line work in the halls of the International Huna

Convention the year I met Doc John and he was teaching Energy Medicine in

the main auditorium. I help John get even interested enough in EFT and get

EFT material to start with. Of course when I spent time with Doc John

teaching him more about EFT I was doing that for my own purposes too.

 

Everything on this list works fantastic with the energy model. Please stop

feeling threatened and see how they work together.

 

The Energy Model I am using is completely in line with the 3 Universal Laws

that every group that Doc John owns goes by. In fact the Energy Model is

way more in-line with the 3 Universal Laws than what you seem to be

standing behind here.

 

You can get as angry as you choose and yet the things that are taught on

this group EFT and Energy Medicine easily follow the energy model I

presented. Just because you have a different model doesn't make you right

and me wrong or the other way around.

 

My products that I sell are EFT and NLP which is used and discussed on this

list.

 

Shallow PEAT I give away for free. No need to sell that.

 

The processes that I do with people Deep PEAT and DP3 are Spiritual

Technology which is a little different and requires other understanding.

But they are not products I sell. They are actual experiences that I help

others have.

 

Saying that what I said was not what Callahan, Craig and others put forth

means you are deliberately telling untruths for your own purpose and what

you are selling or somehow you missed the discovery statement on page 18 of

the EFT Manual, which says " the cause of all negative emotions is a

disruption in the energy system. " I simply include all pain, suffering,

discomfort and dis-ease along with negative emotions as energy is the bases

of all of them. No where was I deleting the entire premise of the mind,

only separating it out from the energy system. As does the discovery statement.

 

Of course the mind system has an effect on the energy system and

visa-versa. You could have easily seen that if you had actually read the

entire page on the energy model. Instead you jumped to conclusions, which

is fine and I will deal with here.

 

Of course the mind can cause energy to flow any direction that is its'

blessing and its' curse. Energy is designed to flow in one direction. It is

neither positive or negative. Those are labels applied and given by the

MIND, not the energy system. The Mind System and the Energy System are two

different systems. That is why they require two different models. It is a

matter of clarity (I know clarity is a mind system thing.)

 

Why are you making accusations and ignoring the basic principle that all

energy work were based on over 6000 years ago. Because more than

invalidating energy work in China (Taoism) I am way more in-line and

validating of the whole yin/yang-balance concept from the beginning. Sorry

you feel other wise. It is also more in line with Quantum Physics. Energy

can flow both ways it depends upon the expectations of the observer. It is

the ole' both wave and particle at the same time.

 

I appreciate that you feel that you need to defend Donna Eden. Donna does

not need to be defended. I see and feel energy (not as well as Donna and

others). I am not saying Donna is wrong. I am saying that we all take what

we learn from others and put them through our mental filters.

 

As an example when we say someone's energy is reversed. The energy is not

actually running the opposite direction (it is not doing a reverse figure

8) it is running up and down. That is way more an indication of blockage,

disruption, or resistance than energy running the other way. We use the

term " you are reversed " when we actually mean you energy is running up and

down instead of in a figure 8. This is also true of all machine's that are

used to detect and test energy. All the test indicate restriction and

blockage. The results are reported as reversal.

 

I am not invalidating Donna at all, in fact I'm adding more validity to her

techniques. The same with EFT/Shallow PEAT and any other Energy Psychology.

 

Yes I do define differently on this group and other groups as well, I am a

researcher, teacher and a coach. I have never said I was not. If what I

write is yes and amen, atta boy/girl. It wouldn't be worth writing and it

wouldn't be of benefit to anyone. Least of all myself... because I do, do

everything I do for my own purposes.

 

I apologize for hurting or offending your sensibilities and beliefs and yet

learning to chunk to different levels is also a very valuable skill taught

on this list. If you allow yourself to make the slight shift you might find

another tool you can use " the energy model " (it supports and includes

rather than negate and separates.)

 

What you ( and others) see as a distortion, still others see as a

clarification but then they use logical levels and understand models (mind

and energy) are just models and they see where they work together.

 

And yes Barbara Ann, just like you and every other person on the planet, I

do and say everything for my own purpose. How could it be any other way?

(Such as your interpretations of what I wrote.)

 

Just as your response (purpose, what you were selling) to my post was Doc

Houston is wrong and trying to sell a product. My response (purpose, what I

am selling) is to agree with half of your presupposition (i.e. everyone is

always selling all the time) and give clarity and inclusion on the other

part of your presup.

 

Barbara Ann, thank you for the physic attack. Since the 3rd presupposition

of the energy model is humans are not containers and simply a conduit, It

is always useful to have the energy flow through and redirected, when it is

not resisted it strengthens the system.

 

 

To Your Best,

Dr. Houston Vetter

http://www.achieve-your-potential.com

 

P.S. Buy my stuff...

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