Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 According to TCM theory Wei-Qi (defensive Qi) retires into the Yin at night, so that when the Yin is deficient there is night sweating - the Yin nutitive essences come out with the sweat. In addition Empty-heat cause the evaporation of Yin fluids which come out at night as sweat. Night sweating is different from daytime sweating because with nighttime sweats the Yin nutritive essences are lost, whilst with daytime sweating yang essences are lost. Night sweats are called " evaporation from the bones " whilst daytime sweating is called " evaporation from the muscles " . Have I just said the same thing in different words? Maybe the question is not so much why sweat at night but what happens when a person sweats at night. Why a fever should get worse in the evening as opposed to the nighttime I'm not sure ---------- >Heiko <heiko > > night sweats >Tue, 6 Feb 2001 19:44 > >Todd >When I first read the question I relised that sometimes I do not >understand things in TCM , that is I just know them. As is in this case >, I always knew yin xu equals nightsweats but am not able to explain >why. I am glad your student asked you and not one of my students asking >me. > >I looked under Benski and Liu wei di huang wan and only found that " when >the yin is deficient ,it is unable to retain substances during the >night, which is the time associated with yin [and] this causes >nightsweats " > >I ask then " is the yin responsible for holding things together at >night? " > >In Benski under dang gui liu huang wan it says " during sleep the >protective qi enters the yin ;when the yin is deficient ,it is unable >to restrain the yang ,especially in the exterior.This leads to >instability of the exterior, especially at night .The unrestrained yang >and the >fire from deficiency push the fluids out of the body in the form of >sweat, which the deficient yin is unable to restrain [and] night sweats >ensue " > >OK I admit it .......I read this a few times and I still don't really >understand why the sweat is more at night.I ask something like " why does >the yin xu molar flush get worse in the afternoon AND not at night? " > >Gary (Sydney) ,Z'ev , anyone ........??? > >Heiko > > > > > >Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare >practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics >specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional >services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2002 Report Share Posted March 5, 2002 Lynn, Night Sweating from Spleen Vacuity Damp Encumbrance causes frequent night sweating with headache with swathed senation, fatigued cumbersome limbs, torpid intake, slimines in the mouth, thin slimy white tongue fur, pale tongue and soggy moderate pulse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 >Question: Can night sweats be caused by Damp-Heat and if so how does this >manifest? She does not present signs of Yin Deficiency, yet the sweating >is >at night (Yin time). She gets hot flashes during the day at times but >doesn't sweat much if at all during the day. She has a strong constitution >but diet could stand improvement. The number one cause of night sweats is Yin Deficiency. BUT, there are other things that also can cause night sweats. These are Heart Blood Insufficiency, Spleen Deficiency with Damp Obstruction, and mid-stage pathogenic invasion. Three of these are Interior conditions, and the mid-stage pathogenic invasion is an Exterior Evil invading to the Interior. (Steven Clavey, Fluid Physiology and Pathology in Traditional Chinese Medicine, pp.55-56.) Clavey gives information on the different possibilities. " Heart blood insufficiency. Frequent nightsweats, with palpitations, insomnia, pallor, shortness of breath, tiredness and exhaustion, pale tongue thin tongue coat, xu pulse (big, floating and weak). " Yin deficiency and interior heat. Frequent night sweats, hot flushes in the afternoon, malar " (blotchy) " flush, five hearts heat, thin body type, in women irregular menstruation, in men spermatorrhea, red tongue body with little coat, pulse thready and rapid. " Spleen deficiency with damp obstruction. Frequent nightsweats, headache as if wrapped up, heaviness of the limbs and general lethargy, poor appetite, greasy feeling in the mouth, thin shite greasy tongue coat, pale tongue body, languid ru (thready, floating, and weak) pulse. " Mid-stage pathogenic invasion. Nightsweats of recent onset, alternating chills and vere, thighness in the chest and flanks, bitter taste, nausea, tongue coat thin white or thin yellow, wiry slippery or wiry rapid pulse. " (pp. 55-56) Victoria _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 In a message dated 03/05/2002 11:02:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, victoria_dragon writes: << The number one cause of night sweats is Yin Deficiency. BUT, there are other things that also can cause night sweats. These are Heart Blood Insufficiency, Spleen Deficiency with Damp Obstruction, and mid-stage pathogenic invasion. >> Victoria, Thank you so very much for all of the information, it did indeed help me to confirm my suspicions. Of the above this woman would most closely fit the Spleen Deficiency with Damp Obstruction ... yet she is not Spleen Deficient either! Ugh. But ... Liver displays numerous signs of stagnation and too much Damp will restrict the free flow of Liver Qi and create stagnation quickly. Her constitution is such that she should restrict foods that create Damp and her diet is such that it would create a good bit of it. She just doesn't show enough to confirm any type of Yin Deficiency. Liver Blood Deficiency possible ... but very little to signify Heart Blood Deficiency. Very interesting. I can list all of her signs if you would like ... just for others to learn (besides I could be wrong) ... I just don't want to bore everyone to tears with all of the details. It does seem however that if Yin Deficiency is involved ... it may be more of a Yin Fire type scenario damaging the Kidneys or loss of essence due to age (she does have some low back pain) and I will look at that more closely before deciding treatment. But I think my safest option for the moment would be to dry the Spleen and relieve Stagnation. This needs to be done first anyway yes? If Xiao Yao Wan proves to be too drying overall, I'm thinking she could always add aloe vera gel .... cooling Yin tonic ... yet shouldn't aggravate Damp conditions like others, as long as it isn't taken alone. Aloe, since bitter, would also target and calm the Heart (you mentioned sweat is a fluid of the Heart) rather than sweet ones that contribute to creating Dampness in the Spleen. Thanks so much again and thank you to KarateStan as well for the help. Off I go into the wonderful world of actually attempting to treat someone ....... yikes. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 >Night Sweating >from Spleen Vacuity Damp Encumbrance causes frequent night sweating with >headache with swathed senation, fatigued cumbersome limbs, torpid intake, >slimines in the mouth, thin slimy white tongue fur, pale tongue and soggy >moderate pulse. For those new to TCM: Heavy limbs, a feeling of heaviness in the head, a feeling of being " fogged in " , etc. point very strongly to Dampness problems. So does a greasy or slimey tongue coating or greasy or slimey feeling in the mouth. Some people will describe the heavy limbs as saying it feels like their legs and arms are encased in cement or it's like weights attached to their arms and legs. Others will just say that their arms and legs feel heavy. Thinking problems with a Root of Dampness often will be described as " brain fog " . People with Qi Stagnation problems sometimes (not always) will describe it being like a lump or stone or peach pit stuck in the area. Victoria _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 In a message dated 3/6/02 8:41:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, alstone writes: I get this after sitting behind the computer for 8+ hours in one sitting. I call it "computer damp". : ) Al, maybe in another 1,000 years this will be a syndrome taught in our school. Maybe they could call it Damp C :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 Judy Fitzgerald wrote: > Thinking problems with a Root of Dampness often will be described as " brain > fog " . I get this after sitting behind the computer for 8+ hours in one sitting. I call it " computer damp " . : ) -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 > > Thinking problems with a Root of Dampness often will be described as > " brain > > fog " . > >I get this after sitting behind the computer for 8+ hours in one sitting. > >I call it " computer damp " . : ) Not surprising considering that excessive thought and study can weaken the Spleen. I think the excessive studying connection is one reason mono is so common in school settings. The studying, worrying about deadlines, research, etc. sets people up to be more susceptible to Epstein Barr Virus or Cytomegalovirus (the 2 main viruses involved in mono/ glandular fever). I know when I sit and study too long I start to feel " boggy " . I need to get up, move around, and do something that doesn't involve thinking a lot or studying. Victoria _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 Dear Lynn, there has been a lot of interesting feedback on the night sweats. Even so, especially if that symptom doesn't make much sense in the overall picture, don't forget to ask about the obvious: Is she using an (inappropriately) warm blanket, maybe even a down comforter, wearing a thick flannel pyjama or does she sleep with the heating on in the bedroom? Sometimes what we consider to be a symptom is a healthy reaction to our surroundings... Best regards, Rebecca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 >Sometimes what we consider to be a symptom is a healthy reaction to our >surroundings... Good point. Thanks. Victoria _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Dear Ken, I do not know what exactly a lot of vitamins and herbs is, but the body usually needs vitamins in sutained amounts during a 24 hour period rather than a lot all at once. It cannot utilize them in the best way possible if it gets them all at once. We should try to imitate nature when taking vitamins daily. Smaller amounts but continually over the course of a day. Night sweats can be from a number of things but one can be your body tring to detoxify itself when it has sufficient amoubts of nutrients avalable to do so. It can also, be from the body trying to detoxify from some diseases. I suggest that you continue with your course of self education, to determine root causes and to understand what is happening where biochemically within your body. The more that you understand how it works inside, the better will be your ability to give it what it needs, in the amounts it needs, and at a time when it needs it, to gain optimal health. There are very few short answers that are also sufficient to give the information needed. Health and health education is a process rather than just a short solution. regards, Frank --- In , " isell_discoverytoys " <schw9883@b...> wrote: > I take alot of vits/herbs sometimes at 8:00 PM or later. I sleep on > my stomach and wrap the blankets underneath as well as above. The > room is always cool. I wake up in the middle of the noght and my > chest area is wet with sweat. I am 57 and average weight and > active. Any ideas what can cause this. Also once I wake in the > middle of the night I cannot fall back to sleep as my mind has a > million thoughts runnning through it. > > Thank you for the input > > Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 --- In , " isell_discoverytoys " <schw9883@b...> wrote: > I take alot of vits/herbs sometimes at 8:00 PM or later. I sleep on > my stomach and wrap the blankets underneath as well as above. The > room is always cool. I wake up in the middle of the noght and my > chest area is wet with sweat. I am 57 and average weight and > active. Any ideas what can cause this. Also once I wake in the > middle of the night I cannot fall back to sleep as my mind has a > million thoughts runnning through it. > > Thank you for the input > Ken Ken, Just curious as to why you take so many vitamins so late in the evening. Supplements are normally taken earlier in the day and most of them should be ingested with foods in order to obtain maximum benefits. I would be interested to know your reasoning, if any, behind this. JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 I highly recommend motherwort. It's an herb that is good for many things. If you go to the message archives here and search on motherwort you'll find lots of references. I had horrible night sweats that came on very suddenly, started taking a couple droppersful of the tincture 3-4 times a day, and especially before I went to bed, and they diminished to warm flushes. I still throw the covers off pretty often but am no longer waking up in a puddle of sweat. I've also diminished the motherwort and now only take it if I need it. Sharyn > > zengirl04 [zengirl04] > > I'm not having a lot of problem with this, but experiencing a mild > case of night sweats - to the extent I can't quite tell if it is night > sweats or just the weather. -- Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release 2/10/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Karen, try drinking a cup of sage tea before bed. Bonnie Rogers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Hi Karen, Doc's Female Formula is THE remedy you need, and I can tell you from personal experience that it works wonderful!! The formula is in the files on the group's website. love Lisa - zengirl04 herbal remedies Monday, February 14, 2005 3:42 PM Herbal Remedies - night sweats I'm not having a lot of problem with this, but experiencing a mild case of night sweats - to the extent I can't quite tell if it is night sweats or just the weather. I sometimes feel hot and clamy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Bonnie, Lisa, and Sharyn - Thanks. I'll try these remedies. I also started going back to the chiropractor today. My adrenals are part of the problem and my back is out of place that I know it's affecting my organs. I'm having very mild symptoms - I can't imagine waking up totally soaked through. I want to avoid that experience if at all possible. herbal remedies , " Sharyn E. Cerniglia " <sharyn.cerniglia@v...> wrote: > > > I highly recommend motherwort. It's an herb that is good for many things. > If you go to the message archives here and search on motherwort you'll find > lots of references. > > I had horrible night sweats that came on very suddenly, started taking a > couple droppersful of the tincture 3-4 times a day, and especially before I > went to bed, and they diminished to warm flushes. I still throw the covers > off pretty often but am no longer waking up in a puddle of sweat. I've also > diminished the motherwort and now only take it if I need it. > > Sharyn > > > > > zengirl04 [zengirl04] > > > > I'm not having a lot of problem with this, but experiencing a mild > > case of night sweats - to the extent I can't quite tell if it is night > > sweats or just the weather. > > > > -- > > > Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Yes, you do!<G> Sharyn > > zengirl04 [zengirl04] > > I can't imagine waking up > totally soaked through. I want to avoid that experience if > at all possible. -- Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release 2/10/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Hi Karen, Could it be a filler in the product that you muscle tested for possibly? I take the black cohosh and it helps me alot with irratibility too. Two things if I may ask you please..can you describe how to muscle test for something I would love to know how to do that...and how long did it take for the St. John's wort to be affective? thankyou much Debbie herbal remedies , " zengirl04 " <zengirl04> wrote: > > > I'm not having a lot of problem with this, but experiencing a mild > case of night sweats - to the extent I can't quite tell if it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 First, my nutritionist was muscle testing me for Black Cohosh. At the time I was taking Wild Yam and lots of other supplements for my thyroid, hormone balance, etc. My body just didn't want the Black Cohosh and since then have not tested strong for it. Muscle testing is difficult to describe and it is easier if someone does it for you ... or at least shows you how. One simple way you can do it for yourself is place the tips of your thumb and middle fingers together. Don't clench, but keep them together. Place your other hand's thumb and index fingers inside the circle formed by the other hand and try to push the fingers apart that are creating the circle. This will tell you how strong your muscles are - don't force just see how much pressure it take to keep the circle formed. Always test without having anything in your energy field. Then place a supplment or food in your energy field - hold it with the palm of one of your hands, place it under your arm, etc. Then re-test. If your body doesn't like a substance your energy field will weaken and it won't take as much force to open the circle. There are other methods, but this one works. herbal remedies , " devorah91 " <devorah888@s...> wrote: > > > Hi Karen, > Could it be a filler in the product that you muscle tested for > possibly? I take the black cohosh and it helps me alot with > irratibility too. Two things if I may ask you please..can you > describe how to muscle test for something I would love to know how > to do that...and how long did it take for the St. John's wort to be > affective? thankyou much Debbie > > > > > herbal remedies , " zengirl04 " <zengirl04> > wrote: > > > > > > I'm not having a lot of problem with this, but experiencing a mild > > case of night sweats - to the extent I can't quite tell if it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Karen & Debbie, Black Cohosh has estrogenic properties and I'd sure be afraid to take it or use it if it were an ingredient. There's a study going on right now that Black Cohosh may stimulate the estradiol level in a woman's breast tissue. Check out this site. http://www.a-zbreastcancer.com/articles/aBlkCoh.htm I take a natural progesterone cream that is fairly pure. This is one of my pet peeves, they give us the progesterone cream but put estrogenic herbs and glycerin and petroleum jelly and black cohosh or dong quai in them. It just doesn't make sense. My irritability factor has gone from a 500 to a 30 with the progesterone cream, B vitamins & E used twice a day. I take a 7 day break and can feel the frustration coming back every month during that break. Check out advisers at your local HFS and read the ingredients! Malinda devorah91 [devorah888]Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:54 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - Re: night sweatsHi Karen,Could it be a filler in the product that you muscle tested for possibly? I take the black cohosh and it helps me alot with irratibility too. Two things if I may ask you please..can you describe how to muscle test for something I would love to know how to do that...and how long did it take for the St. John's wort to be affective? thankyou much Debbieherbal remedies , "zengirl04" <zengirl04> wrote:> > > I'm not having a lot of problem with this, but experiencing a mild > case of night sweats - to the extent I can't quite tell if it is Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Hello Malinda, Doc's Female Formula, which works to re-balance the female hormones, contains Black Cohosh. I am therefore sure that this study you mention is part of the usual scare tactics to get people to use pharmaceuticals and not natural herbal remedies. This is being tried by various methods: blacklisting herbs and other natural resources to dealing with one's health, to scare you into not using them. I wouldn't pay too much attention to this. Herbs can safely be used if used with common sense. love Lisa - Malinda Jackson herbal remedies Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:10 AM RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: night sweats Karen & Debbie, Black Cohosh has estrogenic properties and I'd sure be afraid to take it or use it if it were an ingredient. There's a study going on right now that Black Cohosh may stimulate the estradiol level in a woman's breast tissue. Check out this site. http://www.a-zbreastcancer.com/articles/aBlkCoh.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 Hello Everyone, I have another question. My husband gets very hot when he sleeps, he sweats a lot when he's sleeping. He's had this problem since he can remember. Is this actually normal? Another thing, my husband started developing some kind of redness on his face. It looks like rosasea. Could this be related to the sweats? Thank you, Mariza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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