Karma, The Law Of Allowing, Cooperation between living and daed And Remote Healing

August 28, 2006

Hello Jim,

Actually this is an interesting topic for me because it addresses both 1) Spiritual Growth and Understanding, and 2) Where is the line drawn in Healing and Karma.

I would like to express my views on what you wrote and compare with others. I view what you present as 1) We learn and growth as spirits from our experiences while incarnated, it's the growth at spiritual level (not the Conscious level) that we take with us .....2) If you were to attempt to force your beliefs/values/morals on someone else while working on them it'd be like info coming in one ear and out the other ....there's only so much intellectualizing that would take place but the lessons will have to be experienced or learn by that person to evolve spiritually......3) I have not come across teachings or experiences to believe there's spiritual development in a discarnate state. 4) The distant black planet is one of many popular RV target in local RV circles (I live in the San Francisco Bay Area), particularly because it shows us how we learn and grow as spirits on Earth.....

Anyways, Just felt like inputing my .02 cents,

Ed

-"James R. Knippenberg" , huna-ohana Subject: Karma, The Law Of Allowing, "Cooperation between living and daed" And Remote HealingMon, 28 Aug 2006 01:37:27 -0400 (EDT)

A few seminars ago, Dr. La Tourrette helped me heal my back (he took me through a drill that fixed the energy field in my back, and helped me to install better resources) that had been injured (some asshole stuck a knife through my spine) a few lifetimes ago. (I think maybe I made the guy's wife happier than he did or something minor like that, and he got pissed off, so he and his friends ganged up on me...)Anyway...Doc took me through the drill, and we fixed my back, and I also knowticed that he used covert language patterns to install some additional resources about that event.Now we know that Karma is a positive learning. It's about a person learning what they need to learn to evolve and grow.Does the learning have to take place at the conscious level? Or not?If the person's conscious mind is not aware of the learnings, and yet they learn anyway, does it still count?And can that learning take place after they've passed on, so that we make the future world a better place to live in when we all come back around again next time?I was just wondering, because...Doc says when we energy test someone remotely to get information from them, we're supposed to leave them better off than they were before...I was demonstrating energy testing for some friends of mine, and I asked one of them if he wanted to have some fun.So I took "Mr. X's" energy field, and I placed it into my friend.My friend immediately felt a difference in his physical body -- he felt a burning sensation in his left kidney.They person we were testing had kidney disease.My initial response is "So what? Who gives a F***?"But then when you go up to the level of the soul, if Huna is right when they say that High Selves cannot hurt other High Selves, should we attempt to HEAL people who have already passed on? Can they be helped further in THAT regard (according to Robert Crookall and others, they can be helped on their way to where they're supposed to go after leaving the body), or do they only get additional learnings about what took place while they were on earth WHEN they're ready for it?I know, also, that Doc posted about using ******'s timeline and shooting white light through a few dark spots in his past timeline and sending it all the way out into the future.So neither Doc nor ****** had conscious knowledge of what was fixed (at least at the time, they didn't know), correct? So since that healing is at the energy level and between subconscious minds, would it still work after someone has passed on?And how do I separate my beliefs about what *I* think they should learn right now from what they need to learn first? Or as long as I'm doing an energy healing technique and energizing them with more love and compassion, can I separate trying to force my beliefs and values and morals on someone else from a healing technique that will help them become a better person?Does anyone know? If so, how do you know? Someone else said so? If so, who? Or from your own personal experiences? If so, how did / do you calibrate your experiences at that level of mind are / were correct? I'm not trying to be rude or anything, I just want to separate "guessing" or "think so" or "believe so" from "knowing".Damn, I guess I could energy test this, couldn't I? I suppose I could even energy test that person to see if they can be helped or not.Kool! Thanks for the answers! :-) I'm glad I asked.Jim