Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Dear all - this was in one of our newspapers, no idea which or when, as my husband left a cutting for me prior to his leaving for work for my arrival home from work. This is what the report say's " A devastating new virus that is virtually impossible to detect is set to cause computer chaos worldwide. Experts reckon that one in 77 emails may be a copy of the bug. It uses random subject lines - and often there is no attachment as the virus is in the email itself. It then wipes the hard drive of all data. Hi-tech consultants have sent out global warning about the 'Klex' bug. One virus firm registered more than 23,000 UK reports of Klex in 24 hours. They say it is the most serious for years. Among the most common of the random titles it uses in the email subject lines is " this is a funny game, do you want to try it? " " I know that there often bogus reports but I still think I should pass this on to you. My apologies if it is bogus. Marianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 This is NOT Bogus, and it is horrible and is a real mess and I suggest that everyone beef up their virus scans and scan daily!! Pat At 09:28 AM 04/29/2002, you wrote: >Dear all - this was in one of our newspapers, no idea which or when, as my >husband left a cutting for me prior to his leaving for work for my arrival >home from work. > >This is what the report say's > > " no email: Gettingwell-nomail > moderator: Gettingwell-owner > >list & archives: ><Gettingwell>Gettin\ gwell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 W32.Klez.E (AT) mn (DOT) There are also several variants out there. It's real and we recently had it racing amongst the computers of families at our sons' school. - marianne2406 ArtistDesigner ; diane.brady ; gozo ; FriendsForHealthNaturally ; Gettingwell ; hannah.shine ; hjalmar ; hypertension ; jacquie.collins ; jacquie_collins ; janicemorgan ; jwright ; jaltak ; MTKAstro ; mwilkins ; gmorgan ; peter.p ; Rachd1961 ; info ; vanadeux ; NickyW Monday, April 29, 2002 10:28 AM New Virus Alert Dear all - this was in one of our newspapers, no idea which or when, as my husband left a cutting for me prior to his leaving for work for my arrival home from work. This is what the report say's " A devastating new virus that is virtually impossible to detect is set to cause computer chaos worldwide. Experts reckon that one in 77 emails may be a copy of the bug. It uses random subject lines - and often there is no attachment as the virus is in the email itself. It then wipes the hard drive of all data. Hi-tech consultants have sent out global warning about the 'Klex' bug. One virus firm registered more than 23,000 UK reports of Klex in 24 hours. They say it is the most serious for years. Among the most common of the random titles it uses in the email subject lines is " this is a funny game, do you want to try it? " " I know that there often bogus reports but I still think I should pass this on to you. My apologies if it is bogus. Marianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 In a message dated 29/04/02 20:52:45 GMT Daylight Time, alobar writes: > Yes I did see the article myself, I have tacked to my computer to remind not > to open anything I think is suspect. Would you rather I didn't send out > the alert until after you lost everything so that I could make the time > somewhere between today and next week to check out the information. It was > in our daily newspaper sometime over the last 4 days, my husband cannot > remember which one he saw it in but just knew that I should see it, so > before disposing of the newspaper, he cut out the article. As to the city > - does it really matter with a computer virus? It may have been published > in the UK but it sure as hell will still get you in the US. > > Next time, perhaps I shall just keep the information to myself, I have > already had 2 confirmations to say that it is a very real threat and I am > sure that the newspapers are not going to print 'old news' as that would > get around very quick and people would stop buying their publication. Marianne > > > > Did you write the letter you sent? Did you really see the actual > newspaper article yourself today? If so, please check with your husband to > get the name of the newspaper & the date of the article when he gets home > from work. If you are just passing on someone else's e-mail without > having > actually read the original newspaper clipping, my doubts about the reality > of the newspaper article go up 1000-fold. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 In a message dated 4/29/02 4:21:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alobar writes: > > > > Please tell us how you know it is not bogus. Do you have a > weblink > to any reputable source describing the virus? I have heard nothing of it > from either Norton or AGV ant-virus. Dear Alobar From Norton.com: Security Response: W32.Klez.gen@mm W32.Klez.gen@mm is a mass-mailing worm that will send itself to all email addresses in the Microsoft Outlook Address Book. The subject and attachment name of incoming emails are randomly chosen. The attachment will have one of the following extensions: .bat, .exe, .pif or ..scr. The worm may include a virus that will destroy all files on the 13th of March and September. Symantec Security Response Sincerely, Gabriela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 In a message dated 4/29/02 4:21:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alobar writes: > > > > Please tell us how you know it is not bogus. Do you have a > weblink > to any reputable source describing the virus? I have heard nothing of it > from either Norton or AGV ant-virus. PS: You are very right about the hoaxes that float around on the web. This particular warning (Klez) was true, but if in doubt check www.snopes.com. They have an extensive, well-documented and researched library. :-) Gabriela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 It is not nice to scream " FIRE " in a crowded theater unless you actually *know* there is a fire. Passing on dire warnings without actually checking them out first is just not responsible. I know I may seem harsh here, but there is lots of mis-information out in the world & passing on hearsay is just not real productive --whether it is about virus alerts or health related issues. The " information " you give in your e-mail does not give any real details or links to any reliable sources. No date or name or even city is given for the newspaper. That is a clue. " Experts " (non-specified) reckon that one in 77 emails may be a copy of the bug. That is clue #2 that it is probably a hoax. " virtually impossible to detect " is yet another clue that it is probably a hoax. If the virus is virtually impossible to detect, how the heck can the " experts " (whoever they are) make predictions about 1 in 77 e-mails being infected? The whole thing reads like it is meant to scare people but gives no real information. The fact that I have not received any virus alerts from either Norton or AVG Anti-Virus is still more indication that it is probably a hoax. Did you write the letter you sent? Did you really see the actual newspaper article yourself today? If so, please check with your husband to get the name of the newspaper & the date of the article when he gets home from work. If you are just passing on someone else's e-mail without having actually read the original newspaper clipping, my doubts about the reality of the newspaper article go up 1000-fold. I sent your e-mail on to www.vmyths.com which keep tabs on all computer virus hoaxes. Alobar PS I would suggest that unless you can actually verify the " virus alert " & know it is real that you issue a retraction to all the people you mailed the " virus alert " to. - <marianne2406 <ArtistDesigner; <diane.brady; <gozo; <FriendsForHealthNaturally >; ; <hannah.shine; <hjalmar; <hypertension >; <jacquie.collins; <jacquie_collins; <janicemorgan; <jwright; <jaltak; <MTKAstro; <mwilkins; <gmorgan; <peter.p; <Rachd1961; <info; <vanadeux; <NickyW Monday, April 29, 2002 9:28 AM New Virus Alert > Dear all - this was in one of our newspapers, no idea which or when, as my > husband left a cutting for me prior to his leaving for work for my arrival > home from work. > > This is what the report say's > > " A devastating new virus that is virtually impossible to detect is set to > cause computer chaos worldwide. > > Experts reckon that one in 77 emails may be a copy of the bug. > > It uses random subject lines - and often there is no attachment as the virus > is in the email itself. It then wipes the hard drive of all data. > > Hi-tech consultants have sent out global warning about the 'Klex' bug. > > One virus firm registered more than 23,000 UK reports of Klex in 24 hours. > They say it is the most serious for years. > > Among the most common of the random titles it uses in the email subject lines > is " this is a funny game, do you want to try it? " " > > I know that there often bogus reports but I still think I should pass this on > to you. My apologies if it is bogus. > > Marianne > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > : Gettingwell- > post: Gettingwell > digest form: Gettingwell-digest > delivery normal: Gettingwell-normal > no email: Gettingwell-nomail > moderator: Gettingwell-owner > > list & archives: Gettingwell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Please tell us how you know it is not bogus. Do you have a weblink to any reputable source describing the virus? I have heard nothing of it from either Norton or AGV ant-virus. Alobar - " Pat Spelling " <pat Monday, April 29, 2002 9:55 AM Re: New Virus Alert > This is NOT Bogus, and it is horrible and is a real mess and I suggest that > everyone beef up their virus scans and scan daily!! > > Pat > > At 09:28 AM 04/29/2002, you wrote: > >Dear all - this was in one of our newspapers, no idea which or when, as my > >husband left a cutting for me prior to his leaving for work for my arrival > >home from work. > > > >This is what the report say's > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Quote & link below is from Vmyths website. If this is indeed the virus being talked about, it is *ANCIENT HISTORY*. Even old virus definitions will catch it with no problem. Alobar +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ W32.Kriz virus An overblown virus threat, this one first seen circa August 1999. One antivirus vendor made news when he claimed the virus posed a more " lethal " threat than Chernobyl. http://www.vmyths.com/hoax.cfm?id=155 & page=3 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ - " Paula Kraybill " <pkraybil Monday, April 29, 2002 10:04 AM Re: New Virus Alert > > > W32.Klez.E (AT) mn (DOT) There are also several variants out there. It's real and we recently had it racing amongst the computers of families at our sons' school. > > - > marianne2406 > ArtistDesigner ; diane.brady ; gozo ; FriendsForHealthNaturally ; Gettingwell ; hannah.shine ; hjalmar ; hypertension ; jacquie.collins ; jacquie_collins ; janicemorgan ; jwright ; jaltak ; MTKAstro ; mwilkins ; gmorgan ; peter.p ; Rachd1961 ; info ; vanadeux ; NickyW > Monday, April 29, 2002 10:28 AM > New Virus Alert > > > Dear all - this was in one of our newspapers, no idea which or when, as my > husband left a cutting for me prior to his leaving for work for my arrival > home from work. > > This is what the report say's > > " A devastating new virus that is virtually impossible to detect is set to > cause computer chaos worldwide. > > Experts reckon that one in 77 emails may be a copy of the bug. > > It uses random subject lines - and often there is no attachment as the virus > is in the email itself. It then wipes the hard drive of all data. > > Hi-tech consultants have sent out global warning about the 'Klex' bug. > > One virus firm registered more than 23,000 UK reports of Klex in 24 hours. > They say it is the most serious for years. > > Among the most common of the random titles it uses in the email subject lines > is " this is a funny game, do you want to try it? " " > > I know that there often bogus reports but I still think I should pass this on > to you. My apologies if it is bogus. > > Marianne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Here you go: http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_KLEZ.H http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_KLEZ.G http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_KLEZ.I http://www.snopes2.com/ (Just type in Klez in their search window) www.symantec.com (Norton Antivirus. This site has information) http://www.mcaffee.com (Another site with information) - Alobar Gettingwell Monday, April 29, 2002 3:46 PM Re: New Virus Alert It is not nice to scream " FIRE " in a crowded theater unless you actually *know* there is a fire. Passing on dire warnings without actually checking them out first is just not responsible. I know I may seem harsh here, but there is lots of mis-information out in the world & passing on hearsay is just not real productive --whether it is about virus alerts or health related issues. The " information " you give in your e-mail does not give any real details or links to any reliable sources. No date or name or even city is given for the newspaper. That is a clue. " Experts " (non-specified) reckon that one in 77 emails may be a copy of the bug. That is clue #2 that it is probably a hoax. " virtually impossible to detect " is yet another clue that it is probably a hoax. If the virus is virtually impossible to detect, how the heck can the " experts " (whoever they are) make predictions about 1 in 77 e-mails being infected? The whole thing reads like it is meant to scare people but gives no real information. The fact that I have not received any virus alerts from either Norton or AVG Anti-Virus is still more indication that it is probably a hoax. Did you write the letter you sent? Did you really see the actual newspaper article yourself today? If so, please check with your husband to get the name of the newspaper & the date of the article when he gets home from work. If you are just passing on someone else's e-mail without having actually read the original newspaper clipping, my doubts about the reality of the newspaper article go up 1000-fold. I sent your e-mail on to www.vmyths.com which keep tabs on all computer virus hoaxes. Alobar PS I would suggest that unless you can actually verify the " virus alert " & know it is real that you issue a retraction to all the people you mailed the " virus alert " to. - <marianne2406 <ArtistDesigner; <diane.brady; <gozo; <FriendsForHealthNaturally >; ; <hannah.shine; <hjalmar; <hypertension >; <jacquie.collins; <jacquie_collins; <janicemorgan; <jwright; <jaltak; <MTKAstro; <mwilkins; <gmorgan; <peter.p; <Rachd1961; <info; <vanadeux; <NickyW Monday, April 29, 2002 9:28 AM New Virus Alert > Dear all - this was in one of our newspapers, no idea which or when, as my > husband left a cutting for me prior to his leaving for work for my arrival > home from work. > > This is what the report say's > > " A devastating new virus that is virtually impossible to detect is set to > cause computer chaos worldwide. > > Experts reckon that one in 77 emails may be a copy of the bug. > > It uses random subject lines - and often there is no attachment as the virus > is in the email itself. It then wipes the hard drive of all data. > > Hi-tech consultants have sent out global warning about the 'Klex' bug. > > One virus firm registered more than 23,000 UK reports of Klex in 24 hours. > They say it is the most serious for years. > > Among the most common of the random titles it uses in the email subject lines > is " this is a funny game, do you want to try it? " " > > I know that there often bogus reports but I still think I should pass this on > to you. My apologies if it is bogus. > > Marianne > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > : Gettingwell- > post: Gettingwell > digest form: Gettingwell-digest > delivery normal: Gettingwell-normal > no email: Gettingwell-nomail > moderator: Gettingwell-owner > > list & archives: Gettingwell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 If indeed you are speaking of the same virus which Marianne was referring to, it is my understanding that this virus has been around for since August of 1999. I am fairly certain that no " virus alerts " are need for a bit of ancient history. Beyond that, I doubt seriously that the alert posted on this list was really a first person account of a newspaper clipping left today by Marianne's husband. The way in which is was posted & the lack of detail was very misleading. And the fact that the alert is so outdated makes it of little value to anyone having virus software -- even if the definitions are outdated. Think of the purpose of this list. Dissemination of health related information. If we start spreading scare stories with little relevance to what is going on right now, what good is this list? I can certainly admit to passing on scare stories before I learned discernment. But I like to try & nip scare stories in the bud so we can talk about things with real informational content. Alobar - <naturalradical Monday, April 29, 2002 4:19 PM Re: New Virus Alert > In a message dated 4/29/02 4:21:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > alobar writes: > > > > > > > > > > Please tell us how you know it is not bogus. Do you have a > > weblink > > to any reputable source describing the virus? I have heard nothing of it > > from either Norton or AGV ant-virus. > > Dear Alobar > > From Norton.com: > > Security Response: W32.Klez.gen@mm > W32.Klez.gen@mm is a mass-mailing worm that will send itself to all email > addresses in the Microsoft Outlook Address Book. > > The subject and attachment name of incoming emails are randomly chosen. The > attachment will have one of the following extensions: .bat, .exe, .pif or > .scr. > > The worm may include a virus that will destroy all files on the 13th of March > and September. > > Symantec Security Response > > Sincerely, > > Gabriela > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 The sites below say the worm real, but most of the sites say it is low risk. The original e-mail gave no information. That is what I complained about. There was not enough info to know if the virus was real or a hoax & no info on what to do about it. Alobar - " Paula Kraybill " <pkraybil Monday, April 29, 2002 3:06 PM Re: New Virus Alert > Here you go: > > http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_KLEZ.H > > http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_KLEZ.G > > http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_KLEZ.I > > http://www.snopes2.com/ (Just type in Klez in their search window) > > www.symantec.com (Norton Antivirus. This site has information) > > http://www.mcaffee.com (Another site with information) > > > - > Alobar > Gettingwell > Monday, April 29, 2002 3:46 PM > Re: New Virus Alert > > > It is not nice to scream " FIRE " in a crowded theater unless you > actually *know* there is a fire. Passing on dire warnings without actually > checking them out first is just not responsible. > > I know I may seem harsh here, but there is lots of mis-information > out in the world & passing on hearsay is just not real productive --whether > it is about virus alerts or health related issues. > > The " information " you give in your e-mail does not give any real > details or links to any reliable sources. No date or name or even city is > given for the newspaper. That is a clue. > > " Experts " (non-specified) reckon that one in 77 emails may be a copy > of the bug. That is clue #2 that it is probably a hoax. > > " virtually impossible to detect " is yet another clue that it is > probably a hoax. If the virus is virtually impossible to detect, how the > heck can the " experts " (whoever they are) make predictions about 1 in 77 > e-mails being infected? The whole thing reads like it is meant to scare > people but gives no real information. > > The fact that I have not received any virus alerts from either > Norton or AVG Anti-Virus is still more indication that it is probably a > hoax. > > > > Did you write the letter you sent? Did you really see the actual > newspaper article yourself today? If so, please check with your husband to > get the name of the newspaper & the date of the article when he gets home > from work. If you are just passing on someone else's e-mail without having > actually read the original newspaper clipping, my doubts about the reality > of the newspaper article go up 1000-fold. > > I sent your e-mail on to www.vmyths.com which keep tabs on all > computer virus hoaxes. > > > Alobar > > > > PS > I would suggest that unless you can actually verify the " virus alert " & > know it is real that you issue a retraction to all the people you mailed the > " virus alert " to. > > > > - > <marianne2406 > <ArtistDesigner; <diane.brady; > <gozo; <FriendsForHealthNaturally >; > ; <hannah.shine; > <hjalmar; <hypertension >; > <jacquie.collins; <jacquie_collins; > <janicemorgan; <jwright; > <jaltak; <MTKAstro; <mwilkins; > <gmorgan; <peter.p; > <Rachd1961; <info; <vanadeux; > <NickyW > Monday, April 29, 2002 9:28 AM > New Virus Alert > > > > Dear all - this was in one of our newspapers, no idea which or when, as my > > husband left a cutting for me prior to his leaving for work for my arrival > > home from work. > > > > This is what the report say's > > > > " A devastating new virus that is virtually impossible to detect is set to > > cause computer chaos worldwide. > > > > Experts reckon that one in 77 emails may be a copy of the bug. > > > > It uses random subject lines - and often there is no attachment as the > virus > > is in the email itself. It then wipes the hard drive of all data. > > > > Hi-tech consultants have sent out global warning about the 'Klex' bug. > > > > One virus firm registered more than 23,000 UK reports of Klex in 24 hours. > > They say it is the most serious for years. > > > > Among the most common of the random titles it uses in the email subject > lines > > is " this is a funny game, do you want to try it? " " > > > > I know that there often bogus reports but I still think I should pass this > on > > to you. My apologies if it is bogus. > > > > Marianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 I gave you all the information I had at the time - it was not second hand, it was not half a story, IT WAS ALL THAT I HAD. I had just got in from work, I had not time to do any investigating and I wanted to get the little bit of information I had out to everyone. The only person complaining is you so next time I send out an alert, even when I tell you that I have no way of knowing how real the information is, the fact that it was from a newspaper cutting that I had in my hands means nothing to you obviously. And when I tell you the exact place that I got the information - do not call me a liar. What reason would I have to tell lies about this. Marianne In a message dated 30/04/02 02:45:19 GMT Daylight Time, alobar writes: > > > The sites below say the worm real, but most of the sites say it is > low risk. The original e-mail gave no information. That is what I > complained about. There was not enough info to know if the virus was real > or a hoax & no info on what to do about it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Alobar Is this enough information for you now??? W32/Klez.e@MM Medium Virus Information Discovery 01/17/2002 Origin: Unknown Length: about 80kbytes Type: Internet Worm SubType: Win32 Minimum Dat: 4182 Minimum Engine: 4.0.70 DAT Release 01/23/2002 Description Added: 02/20/2002 Description Modified: 04/26/2002 3:43 PM (PT) http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99367.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Thank you Pat, it is nice to know that I didn't upset everyone. One just cannot do right for doing wrong sometimes. Marianne > What you posted was not a classic hoax so I have no clue > why you were attacked. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Mariane, You are not a liar, that is for sure. I have been battling this at a rate of at least five a day and I don't have outlook at all. It is coming from AOL people as well as everyone else, so it seems that NO ONE is immune. It is unfortunate that so many people cop and attitude and then get infected and plague us with viruses. It just takes a minute to go to McAfee or Norton and look up a virus. So what if someone accidentally does post a hoax? I mean, some of the are obvious. It only takes a couple of minutes to look it up and I'd rather be safe than sorry. What you posted was not a classic hoax so I have no clue why you were attacked. Pat At 02:37 AM 04/30/2002, you wrote: >Alobar > >Is this enough information for you now??? > >W32/Klez.e@MM Medium > >Virus Information >Discovery 01/17/2002 >Origin: Unknown >Length: about 80kbytes >Type: Internet Worm >SubType: Win32 >Minimum Dat: 4182 >Minimum Engine: 4.0.70 >DAT Release 01/23/2002 >Description Added: 02/20/2002 >Description Modified: 04/26/2002 3:43 PM (PT) > ><http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99367.htm>http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99\ 367.htm > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 In a message dated 4/30/2002 9:39:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Gettingwell writes: > Thank you Pat, it is nice to know that I didn't upset everyone Marianne - No - you didn't upset everyone. In fact, thanks to someone who sent along a warning very similar to yours, I deleted an email that looked weird from a company I receive regular mailings on. A few hours later the company sent an apology saying the following: Re: (The message title): This is a bogus message and it was not sent by the (Company Name). In fact, we had no knowledge of the message. It was apparently sent by a hacker... Unfortunately, the message apparently includes a virus known as W32.Klez. Many of you have notified me by email and said that your virus protector deleted the infected file. But for those who may have opened the file, your computer may now include the virus. If so, please take precautionary steps and remove the virus. The following link may be helpful to you: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.removal.tool. html... Thanks to the warning I'd received, I never opened the email before deleting it. I've run the virus scanner since and I'm OK - but most any other time I would have just opened that message and suffered the ramifications. I think you were very up-front about what you did and did not know. Each person can decide for themselves what they will do with that information - but please, don't think that the one very vocal person about this speaks for me. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Thanks Jan - I did try to be up front but, as they always say, you can't please all of the people all of the time and some you can't please at all!!! Marianne > I think you were very up-front about what you did and did not know. Each > person can decide for themselves what they will do with that information - > but please, don't think that the one very vocal person about this speaks > for > me. > > Jan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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