Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 I am so glad that I have stayed away from these type of meds - although they wanted to prescribe them to me almost 30 years ago, I managed to keep away from them and would not entertain them now. http://www.healthypages.net/news.asp?newsid=1423 Marianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 Hi, Marianne Thanks for the post. But having said that, is there something effective which can replace NSAIDS for people in desperate need of an analgesic? Morton marianne2406 wrote: > I am so glad that I have stayed away from these type of meds - although they > wanted to prescribe them to me almost 30 years ago, I managed to keep away > from them and would not entertain them now. > > http://www.healthypages.net/news.asp?newsid=1423 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 - " Morton Bodanis " <mortonmb Monday, May 06, 2002 5:15 PM Re: Athritis - NSAIDs > Hi, Marianne > Thanks for the post. But having said that, is there something effective > which can replace NSAIDS for people in desperate need of an analgesic? > Morton > My arthritis has grown slowly over the years. Not real bad, but I have avoiding putting gloves on or off as much as possible. Also pains in my shoulder, arm and lower back. About 4 months ago I started putting fresh ginger into my morning smoothie. I never liked ginger so I started with a small slice. My body seems to crave the ginger & I upped my ginger dose slowly over a few weeks. I am now using a hunk of ginger about 50% larger than my whole thumb (both joints) each day (and I have large hands). Approximately 90% (estimate) of all my aches & pains have gone away. And winter is usually my worst time as I work outside at night Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 Morten, you can also take glucosomine and chondroitin which will help in the long term as well. My neighbour has a mild arthritis and has taken these supplements for years - never has any pain at all now. Marianne > > > My arthritis has grown slowly over the years. Not real bad, but I > have avoiding putting gloves on or off as much as possible. Also pains in > my shoulder, arm and lower back. > > About 4 months ago I started putting fresh ginger into my morning > smoothie. I never liked ginger so I started with a small slice. My body > seems to crave the ginger & I upped my ginger dose slowly over a few weeks. > I am now using a hunk of ginger about 50% larger than my whole thumb (both > joints) each day (and I have large hands). Approximately 90% (estimate) of > all my aches & pains have gone away. And winter is usually my worst time > as > I work outside at night > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 I believe that calcium is also good as it is for the bones it can help reduce the pain of arthritis. I am not able to exercise to any great extent as I have spondulosis as well as other neck/spine problems, atherosclerosis and HBP - so other than the 30 minutes walking I try to do daily, I don't do any other exercise. As the main arthritis is in my hands I dont' think that I could do a lot of 'pumping iron; either. Hope you find the help that they need. Marianne > Hi, Marianne > Yes, glucosamine and chondroitin do help, but not for everybody. I > needed > this information for someone who can't tolerate glucosamine and chondroitin > and > doesn't exercise. I take them and " pump iron " a lot. I find that so long > as I > work out, my arthritis pain (knees, hands, back) is almost non-existant, > but if I > stop for any length of time (2 weeks) it returns. Maybe the g. and c. also > help. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 Hi, Marianne Yes, glucosamine and chondroitin do help, but not for everybody. I needed this information for someone who can't tolerate glucosamine and chondroitin and doesn't exercise. I take them and " pump iron " a lot. I find that so long as I work out, my arthritis pain (knees, hands, back) is almost non-existant, but if I stop for any length of time (2 weeks) it returns. Maybe the g. and c. also help. Morton marianne2406 wrote: > Morten, you can also take glucosomine and chondroitin which will help in the > long term as well. My neighbour has a mild arthritis and has taken these > supplements for years - never has any pain at all now. > > Marianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2002 Report Share Posted May 8, 2002 In a message dated 5/6/02 6:36:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alobar writes: << I am now using a hunk of ginger about 50% larger than my whole thumb (both joints) each day (and I have large hands). Approximately 90% (estimate) of all my aches & pains have gone away. >> Do you use organic ginger? Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2002 Report Share Posted May 8, 2002 In a message dated 5/7/02 10:57:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mortonmb writes: << For the neck, I tilt my head back (I have just recently started this) and rotate it in a circle or in any direction I can. >> Morton...do you have any specific exercise for the knees, legs. Thanks...Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2002 Report Share Posted May 8, 2002 For arthritis, I'm trying this... <A HREF= " http://www.tldp.com/issue/168/168cetyl.html " >Cetyl Myristoleate - A Unique Natural Compound Valuable in Arthritis Conditions</A> BonnieB In a message dated 5/7/2002 10:57:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mortonmb writes: << Hi Marianne I am very sorry for your predicament, and I am not familiar with spondulosis. I also don't know how old (not my business) you are or how far advanced your arthritis is, but I don't think that you have to " pump iron " . If you can, get something - a soft ball, for example - and squeeze it as much as you can. Rest and do it again. This is really a lot of exercise. Do as much as you can. It will not happen overnight, but if you can persist, you will see and feel a difference. For the neck, I tilt my head back (I have just recently started this) and rotate it in a circle or in any direction I can. I hear the calcium grinding, but the pain is diminishing and the noise of the calcium grinding is also diminishing. This works for me and most people in general. Please pardon me for my ignorance of the nuances. I wish you well. Morton marianne2406 wrote: > I believe that calcium is also good as it is for the bones it can help reduce > the pain of arthritis. I am not able to exercise to any great extent as I > have spondulosis as well as other neck/spine problems, atherosclerosis and > HBP - so other than the 30 minutes walking I try to do daily, I don't do any > other exercise. As the main arthritis is in my hands I dont' think that I > could do a lot of 'pumping iron; either. Hope you find the help that they > need. > > Marianne > > > Hi, Marianne > > Yes, glucosamine and chondroitin do help, but not for everybody. I > > needed > > this information for someone who can't tolerate glucosamine and chondroitin > > and > > doesn't exercise. I take them and " pump iron " a lot. I find that so long > > as I > > work out, my arthritis pain (knees, hands, back) is almost non-existant, > > but if I > > stop for any length of time (2 weeks) it returns. Maybe the g. and c. also > > help. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2002 Report Share Posted May 8, 2002 Hi Marianne I am very sorry for your predicament, and I am not familiar with spondulosis. I also don't know how old (not my business) you are or how far advanced your arthritis is, but I don't think that you have to " pump iron " . If you can, get something - a soft ball, for example - and squeeze it as much as you can. Rest and do it again. This is really a lot of exercise. Do as much as you can. It will not happen overnight, but if you can persist, you will see and feel a difference. For the neck, I tilt my head back (I have just recently started this) and rotate it in a circle or in any direction I can. I hear the calcium grinding, but the pain is diminishing and the noise of the calcium grinding is also diminishing. This works for me and most people in general. Please pardon me for my ignorance of the nuances. I wish you well. Morton marianne2406 wrote: > I believe that calcium is also good as it is for the bones it can help reduce > the pain of arthritis. I am not able to exercise to any great extent as I > have spondulosis as well as other neck/spine problems, atherosclerosis and > HBP - so other than the 30 minutes walking I try to do daily, I don't do any > other exercise. As the main arthritis is in my hands I dont' think that I > could do a lot of 'pumping iron; either. Hope you find the help that they > need. > > Marianne > > > Hi, Marianne > > Yes, glucosamine and chondroitin do help, but not for everybody. I > > needed > > this information for someone who can't tolerate glucosamine and chondroitin > > and > > doesn't exercise. I take them and " pump iron " a lot. I find that so long > > as I > > work out, my arthritis pain (knees, hands, back) is almost non-existant, > > but if I > > stop for any length of time (2 weeks) it returns. Maybe the g. and c. also > > help. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2002 Report Share Posted May 8, 2002 - <gemno Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:03 PM Re: Athritis - NSAIDs > In a message dated 5/6/02 6:36:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > alobar writes: > > << I am now using a hunk of ginger about 50% larger than my whole thumb (both > joints) each day (and I have large hands). Approximately 90% (estimate) of > all my aches & pains have gone away. >> > > Do you use organic ginger? > > Jean Whenever possible. Sometimes I am running low & I am out shopping late at night when WholeFoods market is not open so I buy regular ginger. But I try to use organic whenever possible. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2002 Report Share Posted May 8, 2002 Jean Yes. The point is to strength your front thigh muscles. This can be done in several ways. One is to just sit on a chair and raise your legs, alternately. If you can, get some weights which can be attached to your ankles, and as you improve, increase the weight. You can improvise or get some weights which can wrap around and fasten with velcro. Or you can just walk up and down stairs, slowly - this way you will not only be strengthening your legs, reducing and eliminating the arthritic pain, but you will also improve your cardio-vascular system. Be patient and you will definitely see benefits! Or you can do squats - hold onto a table edge, keep your back more or less straight, bend (squat) and straighten up. This will be quite difficult for a short while, but will become progressively easier with much reduced pain in your legs. Morton gemno wrote: > In a message dated 5/7/02 10:57:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mortonmb writes: > > << For the neck, I tilt my head back (I have just recently started > this) and rotate it in a circle or in any direction I can. >> > > Morton...do you have any specific exercise for the knees, legs. > Thanks...Jean > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > :...... Gettingwell- > post:........... Gettingwell > digest form:.... Gettingwell-digest > delivery normal: Gettingwell-normal > no email:....... Gettingwell-nomail > moderator:...... Gettingwell-owner > > list & archives: Gettingwell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2002 Report Share Posted May 8, 2002 Morton...thanks for those leg exercise tips....jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2002 Report Share Posted May 8, 2002 In a message dated 08/05/02 03:57:09 GMT Daylight Time, mortonmb writes: > > I am very sorry for your predicament, and I am not familiar with > spondulosis. I also don't know how old (not my business) you are or how > far > advanced your arthritis is, but I don't think that you have to " pump iron " . > > > Thank you and spondulosis is fusion of the bones in the spine ( a form of > arthritis is probably the easy way of understanding it). I have had the > arthritis since I was 20 so I assume that it is fairly advanced as I am > almost 52 and most grateful that I don't have to pump iron LOL. The type > that I have is called cero negative arthritis and apparently immitates the > pain of rheumatoid arthritis without having the deformity - walking does > help with the pain in my legs and feet most days but if it is very wet, I > suffer. If > you can, get something - a soft ball, for example - and squeeze it as > much as you > can. Rest and do it again. This is really a lot of exercise. Do as much > as you > can. It will not happen overnight, but if you can persist, you will see > and feel > a difference. I will try this, being a secretary makes it difficult to give my hands a rest (especially the right hand with the mouse) and does cause me a few problems now and then so this exercise may well be good for me. For the neck, I tilt my head back (I have just recently started this) and rotate it in a circle or in any direction I can. I hear the calcium> > grinding, but the pain is diminishing and the noise of the calcium grinding > is > also diminishing. I do not have arthritis in my neck but do have an RSI problem which just will not go away. I had osteopathy for over a year which did not even help the pain to recede and could not afford to keep throwing money at something that was clearly not working. I will try the exercise if I can manage it and let you know if you have passed on a little miracle. > This works for me and most people in general. Please pardon me for my > ignorance of the nuances. I wish you well. > Most definitely pardoned especially as you have passed along a couple of good ideas - nothing ventured, nothing gained - I will definitely give it a go. Thanks Morton Marianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2002 Report Share Posted May 8, 2002 In a message dated 08/05/02 05:04:38 GMT Daylight Time, BonnieBar writes: > For arthritis, I'm trying this... > HREF= " http://www.tldp.com/issue/168/168cetyl.html " >Cetyl Myristoleate - A > Unique Natural Compound Valuable in Arthritis Conditions > Thanks - will have a good read when the opportunity arise. Marianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2002 Report Share Posted May 8, 2002 marianne2406 wrote: > > I will try this, being a secretary makes it difficult to give my hands a rest > (especially the right hand with the mouse) and does cause me a few problems > now and then so this exercise may well be good for me. For my part, this is now theory. I believe that a sedentary life style is a great cause of arthritis. When one's body becomes used to a narrow range of motion, as does your hand which holds the mouse, the joints in the portion not being " lubricated " by motion allow calcium to become deposited. Excercise (motion) over a wide range will suppress the deposit of calcium as well as tune up the body, stretch the ligamenst, and so on. And excercise with weights will strengthen the muscles. Morton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 Not only is it theory on your part, it is also assumption. I did not lead a sedentary lifestyle at 20. From the age of 11 I walked 3 miles to school each day and home again. I also worked with my mother during school 'vacations' in the catering trade which is known to be extremely hard. At the age of 15 I went out to work and cycled 5 miles each way as well as doing a days work although this was a sedentary job, telex operator. I sometimes did the journey twice in a day because I either went home for some reason at lunch time or I came back to visit my sister who was training to be a nurse and the hospital was just a couple of minutes from where I worked. I cycled everywhere from the age of 15 to the age of 19 when I had my first child - believe me, as every mother will tell you, that particular job was anything but sedentary. I still walk regularly so would not say that I lead a totally sedentary lifestyle even now and remember I have had arthritis since my 20's. My husband and I often go on a walking day as well, and just think how good women are at retail therapy (shopping to you guys <grin>) so I get plenty of exercise. I tried exercise with weights but it did cause me problems with my back so had to give it up. I know that your comments make sense to most, it is just not relevant to me. However, I am planning on getting back on my cycle - should be good for a giggle - and will cycle to work at least once a week so I hope that will help. It will take me at least a month to work up to this as work is about 5 miles away and I have not been on a bike for years, although it has been sitting there waiting for me for the last 5 lol. Marianne > For my part, this is now theory. I believe that a sedentary life style is a > great > cause of arthritis. When one's body becomes used to a narrow range of > motion, as > does your hand which holds the mouse, the joints in the portion not being > " lubricated " by motion allow calcium to become deposited. Excercise > (motion) > over a wide range will suppress the deposit of calcium as well as tune up > the > body, stretch the ligamenst, and so on. And excercise with weights will > strengthen the muscles. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 I've been lead to believe that there are other causes for arthritis, besides lack of exercise - chronic dehydration, acid pH in the cells of the body, intercellular infections, insufficient Omega 3's or faulty Omega 3 metabolism, insufficient magnesium, inflammation from other injuries, overuse of joints, hyperflexability, leaky gut problems, food allergies and other allergies, malapsorption problems, insufficient stomach acid, insufficient digestive enzymes, poor diet, excessive exposure to toxic chemicals, autoimmune disorders (from a faulty immune system), etc., any and all of which could lead to arthritis. So even if you live an active life, you could still be vulnerable to arthritis. Someone with hyperflexible joints, for example, can end up causing a great deal of damage to their joints from over exercising. Recommending increasing exercise to alleviate their problem would only make it worse. So putting all arthritis in the same category of cause is a somewhat premature judgment. Linda Jones lindaj - <marianne2406 Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:27 PM Re: Athritis - NSAIDs > Not only is it theory on your part, it is also assumption. I did not lead a > sedentary lifestyle at 20. From the age of 11 I walked 3 miles to school > each day and home again. I also worked with my mother during school > 'vacations' in the catering trade which is known to be extremely hard. At > the age of 15 I went out to work and cycled 5 miles each way as well as doing > a days work although this was a sedentary job, telex operator. I sometimes > did the journey twice in a day because I either went home for some reason at > lunch time or I came back to visit my sister who was training to be a nurse > and the hospital was just a couple of minutes from where I worked. I cycled > everywhere from the age of 15 to the age of 19 when I had my first child - > believe me, as every mother will tell you, that particular job was anything > but sedentary. > > I still walk regularly so would not say that I lead a totally sedentary > lifestyle even now and remember I have had arthritis since my 20's. My > husband and I often go on a walking day as well, and just think how good > women are at retail therapy (shopping to you guys <grin>) so I get plenty of > exercise. I tried exercise with weights but it did cause me problems with my > back so had to give it up. I know that your comments make sense to most, it > is just not relevant to me. However, I am planning on getting back on my > cycle - should be good for a giggle - and will cycle to work at least once a > week so I hope that will help. It will take me at least a month to work up > to this as work is about 5 miles away and I have not been on a bike for > years, although it has been sitting there waiting for me for the last 5 lol. > > Marianne > > > > For my part, this is now theory. I believe that a sedentary life style is a > > great > > cause of arthritis. When one's body becomes used to a narrow range of > > motion, as > > does your hand which holds the mouse, the joints in the portion not being > > " lubricated " by motion allow calcium to become deposited. Excercise > > (motion) > > over a wide range will suppress the deposit of calcium as well as tune up > > the > > body, stretch the ligamenst, and so on. And excercise with weights will > > strengthen the muscles. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2002 Report Share Posted May 10, 2002 Marianne OUCH! Morton marianne2406 wrote: > Not only is it theory on your part, it is also assumption. I did not lead a > sedentary lifestyle at 20. From the age of 11 I walked 3 miles to school > each day and home again. I also worked with my mother during school > 'vacations' in the catering trade which is known to be extremely hard. At > the age of 15 I went out to work and cycled 5 miles each way as well as doing > a days work although this was a sedentary job, telex operator. I sometimes > did the journey twice in a day because I either went home for some reason at > lunch time or I came back to visit my sister who was training to be a nurse > and the hospital was just a couple of minutes from where I worked. I cycled > everywhere from the age of 15 to the age of 19 when I had my first child - > believe me, as every mother will tell you, that particular job was anything > but sedentary. > > I still walk regularly so would not say that I lead a totally sedentary > lifestyle even now and remember I have had arthritis since my 20's. My > husband and I often go on a walking day as well, and just think how good > women are at retail therapy (shopping to you guys <grin>) so I get plenty of > exercise. I tried exercise with weights but it did cause me problems with my > back so had to give it up. I know that your comments make sense to most, it > is just not relevant to me. However, I am planning on getting back on my > cycle - should be good for a giggle - and will cycle to work at least once a > week so I hope that will help. It will take me at least a month to work up > to this as work is about 5 miles away and I have not been on a bike for > years, although it has been sitting there waiting for me for the last 5 lol. > > Marianne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2002 Report Share Posted May 10, 2002 Linda OUCH! Having said that, yes, and you are right. But excercise and lifestyle are very good starting points. Eliminate the obvious first. Morton Linda Jones wrote: > I've been lead to believe that there are other causes for arthritis, besides > lack of exercise - chronic dehydration, acid pH in the cells of the body, > intercellular infections, insufficient Omega 3's or faulty Omega 3 > metabolism, insufficient magnesium, inflammation from other injuries, > overuse of joints, hyperflexability, leaky gut problems, food allergies and > other allergies, malapsorption problems, insufficient stomach acid, > insufficient digestive enzymes, poor diet, excessive exposure to toxic > chemicals, autoimmune disorders (from a faulty immune system), etc., any and > all of which could lead to arthritis. So even if you live an active life, > you could still be vulnerable to arthritis. Someone with hyperflexible > joints, for example, can end up causing a great deal of damage to their > joints from over exercising. Recommending increasing exercise to alleviate > their problem would only make it worse. So putting all arthritis in the same > category of cause is a somewhat premature judgment. > > Linda Jones > lindaj > > - > <marianne2406 > > Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:27 PM > Re: Athritis - NSAIDs > > > Not only is it theory on your part, it is also assumption. I did not lead > a > > sedentary lifestyle at 20. From the age of 11 I walked 3 miles to school > > each day and home again. I also worked with my mother during school > > 'vacations' in the catering trade which is known to be extremely hard. At > > the age of 15 I went out to work and cycled 5 miles each way as well as > doing > > a days work although this was a sedentary job, telex operator. I > sometimes > > did the journey twice in a day because I either went home for some reason > at > > lunch time or I came back to visit my sister who was training to be a > nurse > > and the hospital was just a couple of minutes from where I worked. I > cycled > > everywhere from the age of 15 to the age of 19 when I had my first child - > > believe me, as every mother will tell you, that particular job was > anything > > but sedentary. > > > > I still walk regularly so would not say that I lead a totally sedentary > > lifestyle even now and remember I have had arthritis since my 20's. My > > husband and I often go on a walking day as well, and just think how good > > women are at retail therapy (shopping to you guys <grin>) so I get plenty > of > > exercise. I tried exercise with weights but it did cause me problems with > my > > back so had to give it up. I know that your comments make sense to most, > it > > is just not relevant to me. However, I am planning on getting back on my > > cycle - should be good for a giggle - and will cycle to work at least once > a > > week so I hope that will help. It will take me at least a month to work > up > > to this as work is about 5 miles away and I have not been on a bike for > > years, although it has been sitting there waiting for me for the last 5 > lol. > > > > Marianne > > > > > > > For my part, this is now theory. I believe that a sedentary life style > is a > > > great > > > cause of arthritis. When one's body becomes used to a narrow range of > > > motion, as > > > does your hand which holds the mouse, the joints in the portion not > being > > > " lubricated " by motion allow calcium to become deposited. Excercise > > > (motion) > > > over a wide range will suppress the deposit of calcium as well as tune > up > > > the > > > body, stretch the ligamenst, and so on. And excercise with weights will > > > strengthen the muscles. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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