Supplements to use instead of Viagra, which ones?

[Guest guest]

> I wanted to use some supplements that would give the similar

effects

> of Viagra. I use arginine. Is Saw Palmetto good for this? Please

give

> some suggestions.

 

There are herbs - in particular the Yang tonic herbs - that have

these effects. BUT, they should not be used unless the person

actually is Yang Deficient. Taking too many Yang tonic herbs can

result in a person developing symptoms of Yin Deficiency -

restlessness, anxiety, insomnia, nervousness, night sweats, " malar "

(blotchy) flushing of the face (particularly on the cheeks), diabetes

(in some cases - particularly if the person already is Yin

Deficient), etc.

 

Yang warms, activates, and dries. One manifestatin of Yang

Deficiency are hypo-glandular states. Another is loss of libido.

When a person is Yang Deficient there is not enough Yang to warm the

body properly. Consequently, the person stays cold a lot and has

trouble warming up. The person usually does worst in winter

healthwise, and prefers the summer. Urination is frequent, profuse,

and clear. The person also may need more sleep than normal. Fatigue

is extreme.

 

Yin cools, calms, and moistens. In Yin Deficiency there is not

enough Yin to propertly cool and calm the body. Hence, the feeling

too hot a lot and having trouble cooling down. The person tends to

do worse in summer than other seasons of the year and prefer the

winter. Sexual drive is excessive. If there is Kidney Yang

Deficiency, there will be fatigue, but this is a person who will keep

going even though tired. Nervous energy.

 

The TCM view of sex is that both too much or too little can harm

health. Too much depletes the Kidney Yang and Jing. Too little also

can damage the Kidneys.

 

One example of a Yang tonic herb is epimedium, aka Herba Epimendii,

aka Yin Yang Huo, aka Horny Goat Weed. It is specifically indicated

not only in many cases of loss of libido (though Yang Deficiency is

not the only possible cause of loss of libido) but also in cases of

Wind Cold Dampness invasion and Painful Obstruction Syndrome.

(Arthritis. The Chinese see arthritis and rheumatism (Painful

Obstruction or Bi Syndrome as being due to Wind, Cold, and/or

Dampness.) Epimendium is contraindicated in cases of Yin Deficiency

with Heat. An overdose can result in spasm and respiratory arrest.

The dose is 3-5 qian. That's 9 to 15 grams.

 

The easiest way for most people to find epimedium is one of those

herbal formulas for men or which advertise themselves as " herbal

viagra " . There usually are other herbs as well in these

preparations. Some of them are other Yang tonic herbs, some are

not. BUT, women also can be Yang Deficient so these " men's formulas "

are not just for men. Just like men can be Blood Deficient,

and " women's formulas " aren't just for women.

 

A store here offers pure epimedium in capsules, but wanted way, way

too much for it. I order it like I order a lot of my herbs - in

bulk. I prefer to make teas out of it instead of grind it up and put

it into capsules. I have an on-going vulnerability and tendency to

Kidney Yang Deficiency (way too Cold), and taking certain herbs as a

hot tea works better for me than taking them in a capsule.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

> This company appear to have a cheap price for bulk herbs

>

> http://www.phytolongevity.com/

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

victoria_dragon wrote:

 

Don't laugh.... 1) Yohimbe and 2) Horny goat weed (see, I told ya not to

laugh!!)

 

Mindy

[Guest guest]

Hi Victoria...what if you have symptoms of both yin and yang

deficiencies [except for the raging libido]? Thanks for allthe

info..scarlett

 

 

victoria_dragon [victoria_dragon]

Friday, November 22, 2002 10:10 AM

Gettingwell

Re: Supplements to use instead of Viagra, which

There are herbs - in particular the Yang tonic herbs - that have

these effects. BUT, they should not be used unless the person

actually is Yang Deficient. Taking too many Yang tonic herbs can

result in a person developing symptoms of Yin Deficiency -

restlessness, anxiety, insomnia, nervousness, night sweats, " malar "

(blotchy) flushing of the face (particularly on the cheeks), diabetes

(in some cases - particularly if the person already is Yin

Deficient), etc.

 

Yang warms, activates, and dries. One manifestatin of Yang

Deficiency are hypo-glandular states. Another is loss of libido.

When a person is Yang Deficient there is not enough Yang to warm the

body properly. Consequently, the person stays cold a lot and has

trouble warming up. The person usually does worst in winter

healthwise, and prefers the summer. Urination is frequent, profuse,

and clear. The person also may need more sleep than normal. Fatigue

is extreme.

 

Yin cools, calms, and moistens. In Yin Deficiency there is not

enough Yin to propertly cool and calm the body. Hence, the feeling

too hot a lot and having trouble cooling down. The person tends to

do worse in summer than other seasons of the year and prefer the

winter. Sexual drive is excessive. If there is Kidney Yang

Deficiency, there will be fatigue, but this is a person who will keep

going even though tired. Nervous energy.

 

The TCM view of sex is that both too much or too little can harm

health. Too much depletes the Kidney Yang and Jing. Too little also

can damage the Kidneys.

 

One example of a Yang tonic herb is epimedium, aka Herba Epimendii,

aka Yin Yang Huo, aka Horny Goat Weed. It is specifically indicated

not only in many cases of loss of libido (though Yang Deficiency is

not the only possible cause of loss of libido) but also in cases of

Wind Cold Dampness invasion and Painful Obstruction Syndrome.

(Arthritis. The Chinese see arthritis and rheumatism (Painful

Obstruction or Bi Syndrome as being due to Wind, Cold, and/or

Dampness.) Epimendium is contraindicated in cases of Yin Deficiency

with Heat. An overdose can result in spasm and respiratory arrest.

The dose is 3-5 qian. That's 9 to 15 grams.

 

The easiest way for most people to find epimedium is one of those

herbal formulas for men or which advertise themselves as " herbal

viagra " . There usually are other herbs as well in these

preparations. Some of them are other Yang tonic herbs, some are

not. BUT, women also can be Yang Deficient so these " men's formulas "

are not just for men. Just like men can be Blood Deficient,

and " women's formulas " aren't just for women.

 

A store here offers pure epimedium in capsules, but wanted way, way

too much for it. I order it like I order a lot of my herbs - in

bulk. I prefer to make teas out of it instead of grind it up and put

it into capsules. I have an on-going vulnerability and tendency to

Kidney Yang Deficiency (way too Cold), and taking certain herbs as a

hot tea works better for me than taking them in a capsule.

 

Victoria

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Hi Victoria...what if you have symptoms of both yin and yang

> deficiencies [except for the raging libido]? Thanks for allthe

> info..scarlett

 

If it's Kidney Yin or Yang Deficiency, the other is almost certain to

be present (though less severe). Sometimes the symptoms of both will

be present, but sometimes the Kidney Yang or Kidney Yin Deficiency

will be so severe as to mask completely or almost mask completely the

symptoms of the other. It's only as one is corrected that the

symptoms of the other becomes more apparent. Because if the Kidneys

are involved, both are almost certain to be present, Kidney Yang

tonic formulas will include some Kidney Yin tonic herbs, and Kidney

Ying tonic formulas will include some Kidney Yang tonic herbs.

 

BTW, the Kidneys supply the Yin and the Yang to the rest of the body.

 

If you're having trouble with weather sensitivity and/or tending to

catch infections easily and frequently, this can point to something

called Protective Qi Deficiency. Qi, also spelled ch'i, pronounced

chee, is roughly (though inadequately) translated as energy. That

definition will do.

 

There are different types of Qi in the body. Protective Qi

circulates at the surface of the body and gives people protection

against " Pernicious Evils " . These are Heat, Cold, Damp, Dryness, and

Wind. In other words, weather conditions. But also artificial

weather conditions like air conditioning, air dryers, heating

systems, etc. Protective Qi also gives protection against many

pathogens (but not all).

 

Astragalus is a very good Qi tonic herb that specifically strengthens

Protective Qi. But as a general rule, don't take it while you have

an infection. Clear the infection first. Any of the Qi tonic herbs

can feed infection.

 

The Spleen is the TCM Organ most involved in Qi production in the

body, so it's also a good idea to strengthen the Spleen with good

diet, enough rest, not obsessing, not studying too much, not

overdoing physically, etc. (Common English words like Spleen that

have special meaning in TCM (Traditional ) are

capitalized to indicate that they don't correspond exactly to the

Western definitions.)

 

BTW, the common cold is called Wind Cold invasion in Chinese. But it

also can be due to Wind Heat invasion. Cold or Heat teamed up with

Wind can make a person more vulnerable to developing colds (and

certain other infections).

 

The Chinese see arthritis and rheumatism as due to Cold, Dampness,

and/or Wind. TCM treatment is directed to expelling the Perncious

Evil. There are herbs that " release the Exterior " and warm the

Exterior. There also are herbs that expel Wind Dampness.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

There's a company online called Sunrider who sell a

product named Veros designed to accomplish exactly

what you're talking about with other, secondary

beneficial effects, and no side effects. It is

formulated with food grade herbs, and I believe

contains some Saw Palmetto. If you try it, be sure to

let us know what you think of it!

(the secondary effects which have been reported are

increased muscle tone, energy and directed

purposefulness in decision making and activities)

 

 

 

--- a_newking <a_newking wrote:

> I wanted to use some supplements that would give the

> similar effects

> of Viagra. I use arginine. Is Saw Palmetto good for

> this? Please give

> some suggestions.

>

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> There's a company online called Sunrider who sell a

> product named Veros designed to accomplish exactly

> what you're talking about with other, secondary

> beneficial effects, and no side effects.

 

Again, I caution please do not use these products unless there

actually are signs and symptoms of Kidney Yang Deficiency. Symptoms

and signs like actual loss of libido (not just wanting more of a good

thing), feelings of cold and having trouble warming up, slow

movements and speech, shiny pale complexion, pale tongue with a white

coating, frequent and profuse and clear urination, extreme fatigue,

needing to sleep a lot and tending to sleep in a curled up position,

possible incontinence, not feeling thirsty and when liquids are

consumed there is a preference for hot soups, a tendency to

hypoglandular states, etc. All of these symptoms need not be present

for a diagnosis of Kidney Yang Deficiency, but if they all are this

is a person who is severely Yang Deificient and probably has been

that way for some time.

 

One thing I want to stress is that herbs can be very effective. They

usually are a lot cheaper, safer, and often are more effective than

prescription drugs (though they tend to work slower). Because they

are effective this means they do have side effects when used

inappropriately.

 

The contraindication for Yang tonic herbs is Yin Deficiency with

Heat. If there are signs and symptoms of Yin Deficiency with Heat,

one either should take these herbs not at all or in formulas designed

to get around the Heat problems. One should either see a trained TCM

(Traditional ) herbalist or do a lot of research

before proceding. The signs and symptoms of Yang Deficiency with

Heat are " malar " (blotchy) flush on face (especially over the cheek

bones), feeling hotter during the afternoon and early evening than at

other times, night sweats, " 5-Palm Heat " (Heat in the palms of the

hands, soles of the feet, and chest area), red tongue tissue with

yellow coating, rapid movement and pulse, feelings of aggitation,

nervous energy, insomnia charaterized by falling asleep ok but

frequent waking during the night, excessive appetite, feeling thirsty

a lot, infrequent and dark urination, feeling hot a lot and having

trouble cooling down, excessive libido, etc.

 

Because herbs are effective, there are possible side effects when

they are used incorrectly.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/22/2002 10:11:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,

victoria_dragon writes:

 

> I use arginine

 

this may have been addressed already but l am new on the list and want to

know if anyone knows of an inexpensive cream with arginine..or if arginine

can be taken internally or topically? thanks, teri.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

teri323 wrote:

 

> this may have been addressed already but l am new on the list and want to

> know if anyone knows of an inexpensive cream with arginine..or if arginine

> can be taken internally or topically? thanks, teri.

 

Yes, it appears arginine can be taken both topically and internally. Also,

depending on how you define " inexpensive, " www.actionlove.com sells a cream

with l-arginine in it for $30. The doctor who wrote the site says that

L-Lysine is needed as well.... " My advice in taking a High Dose of L-Arginine

is: you should take L-Lysine to prevent allergic responses (over-production

of histamine) "

 

He also sells an internal formula with L-arginine, but that one is more

expensive, about $70. You may have better luck at your local health food

store.

 

(And BTW, if you are sensitive to graphic pictures then don't go to the

website mentioned above, though I should point out that the author of the web

site puts the pictures there not for titillation but for education...)

 

here is the URL for ordering from the site:

https://www.actionlove.com/orderform.htm

 

Mindy