increasing calories for underwt. babies

[Guest guest]

Something I want to mention for the sake of those whose babies aren't gaining

wt. fast enough to please the peds. If he suggests adding formula to the

breastmilk to add calories remember you can also choose lacto-engineering

instead. It consists of simply letting breastmilk until the cream rises to the

top, siphoning the fat off and adding to the bottle of milk you are feeding the

baby. One could also just pump a little until the foremilk is gone and then put

the baby to the breast to get the hindmilk. For either of these the mom has to

pump extra each day to build up a bit of an oversupply in order to get enough

fatty milk. Vicky

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Equally important is gaining immunity. If baby is being given

something more than breast milk, the options such as soaked dates,

dried black grapes, honey, jaggery for mother are discussed at:

 

http://health.ayurveda/message/6650

 

 

Author has seen mothers from poor class feeding water mixed with

jaggery to hungry babies in India. grapes and honey out-of-reach for

them.

 

dates build up haemoglobin and not fat. On the other hand dates,

boiled with milk help gain weight by way of muscle density and not

fat. The breast milk itself can be used, 2 dates per cup (75 ml),

boil for 10-15 minutes. The fat and protein in milk becomes easy to

digest for lean babies, when milk is boiled. Of course B12 and some

vitamin loss is inevitable.

 

 

and if baby is already consuming some semi-solids, then an indian

receipe (which can be practiced anywhere in world) to boost immunity

and increase muscle density of baby is provided at:

 

http://health.ayurveda/message/6572

 

The above receipe was provided by a grandma in Bangalore, India.

Experienced by many moms there. addition of jaggery/honey makes

gycoproteins in babies body, giving a good boost to nervous system

performance as well.

 

Honey is exceptional in ayurveda. with lemon juice and warm water it

helps loosing weight, while when it is mixed with warm milk, it helps

gaining weight.

 

When gaining weight is the desire, aswagandha readily comes to the

mind. aswgandha ksheer pak is the ayurvedic name for a milk and

aswgandha powder poridge to be taken by mother so that baby buidls up

weight.

The receipe is:

1 cup milk, 2 cups water, 1 tsp aswgandha powder, slow boil till 1

cup remains, drink warm after adding crystal sugar and a little

cardamom. Boiling of aswgandha in milk takes care of its warming

quality and alsop milk allergies of mother, since boiling makes milk

proteins easily digestible. Crystal sugar and cardamom reduce pitta

or warming quality of awagandha, and add another advantage. This is

sleeping aid also as a result of tryptophan in milk, a serotonin

precursor. Your baby will sleep well, and weight gain occurs during

sleep only, a secret of human body. 11 pm to 1 am is the local time

during which liver makes raw matyerials for fleshy tissues which add

weight. (Circadian rhythm).

 

 

ayurveda , <VMYORK wrote:

>

> Something I want to mention for the sake of those whose babies

aren't gaining wt. fast enough to please the peds. If he suggests

adding formula to the breastmilk to add calories remember you can

also choose lacto-engineering instead. It consists of simply letting

breastmilk until the cream rises to the top, siphoning the fat off

and adding to the bottle of milk you are feeding the baby. One could

also just pump a little until the foremilk is gone and then put the

baby to the breast to get the hindmilk.

[Guest guest]

This is very good information Dr. Bhate. I'm so happy to have it in my info file

for babies starting their first foods. Also, I should have clarified that my

advice about lacto-engineering is meant for babies under the age of about 6

weeks and strictly breastfeeding who the peds say aren't heavy enough and want

moms to give formula to. Vicky

-

Shirish Bhate

ayurveda

Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:13 PM

PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: increasing calories for underwt. babies

 

 

Equally important is gaining immunity. If baby is being given

something more than breast milk, the options such as soaked dates,

dried black grapes, honey, jaggery for mother are discussed at:

 

http://health.ayurveda/message/6650

 

Author has seen mothers from poor class feeding water mixed with

jaggery to hungry babies in India. grapes and honey out-of-reach for

them.

 

dates build up haemoglobin and not fat. On the other hand dates,

boiled with milk help gain weight by way of muscle density and not

fat. The breast milk itself can be used, 2 dates per cup (75 ml),

boil for 10-15 minutes. The fat and protein in milk becomes easy to

digest for lean babies, when milk is boiled. Of course B12 and some

vitamin loss is inevitable.

 

and if baby is already consuming some semi-solids, then an indian

receipe (which can be practiced anywhere in world) to boost immunity

and increase muscle density of baby is provided at:

 

http://health.ayurveda/message/6572

 

The above receipe was provided by a grandma in Bangalore, India.

Experienced by many moms there. addition of jaggery/honey makes

gycoproteins in babies body, giving a good boost to nervous system

performance as well.

 

Honey is exceptional in ayurveda. with lemon juice and warm water it

helps loosing weight, while when it is mixed with warm milk, it helps

gaining weight.

 

When gaining weight is the desire, aswagandha readily comes to the

mind. aswgandha ksheer pak is the ayurvedic name for a milk and

aswgandha powder poridge to be taken by mother so that baby buidls up

weight.

The receipe is:

1 cup milk, 2 cups water, 1 tsp aswgandha powder, slow boil till 1

cup remains, drink warm after adding crystal sugar and a little

cardamom. Boiling of aswgandha in milk takes care of its warming

quality and alsop milk allergies of mother, since boiling makes milk

proteins easily digestible. Crystal sugar and cardamom reduce pitta

or warming quality of awagandha, and add another advantage. This is

sleeping aid also as a result of tryptophan in milk, a serotonin

precursor. Your baby will sleep well, and weight gain occurs during

sleep only, a secret of human body. 11 pm to 1 am is the local time

during which liver makes raw matyerials for fleshy tissues which add

weight. (Circadian rhythm).

 

ayurveda , <VMYORK wrote:

>

> Something I want to mention for the sake of those whose babies

aren't gaining wt. fast enough to please the peds. If he suggests

adding formula to the breastmilk to add calories remember you can

also choose lacto-engineering instead. It consists of simply letting

breastmilk until the cream rises to the top, siphoning the fat off

and adding to the bottle of milk you are feeding the baby. One could

also just pump a little until the foremilk is gone and then put the

baby to the breast to get the hindmilk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Between breastfeeding mom and baby, peds should not interven. The

weight tables, normal growth graphs, height graphs etc are all

statistical medicine. Acc. to ayurveda, everybody is unique. While

technique suggested by you might help some babies (Kapha prakruti),

some may get into problems (Vata prakruti). To make it simple to

understand, author takes all to ayurveda, where cybervaidya

explains this better

 

http://health.ayurveda/message/3470

 

Now one more thing is nature knows every baby and mom. Consider the

reason fore milk is high in lactose and hind milk is richer in

fat+protein. And colostrum is special treat to baby for first one week.

If God provided all these adjustments to suit the baby's immature

digestive fire, why should we think that mom may be weak to feed her

baby properly less than 6 weeks old. Breast feed develops acc. to need

of the baby. 90% of the time, it is anxiety of first time mother that

b/feed is affected.

 

Are Peds more intelligent than God? It has been seen that a baby

weighing less in the beginning compared to another baby, overtakes

another baby in height and weight later. So human beings are not

mathematical samples of statistical theories of modern medicine.

 

Babies appear to have better intelligence than elders. When they are

formula fed by a bottle, have you noted how they push away the bottle

once satisfied. On the other hand author always overeats if someone

(Indian custom only) persuades for a little more food and especially if

food is tasty and cooked with interst.

 

If any of you practicing modern medicine and got hurt by a bit abrasive

remarks of this ayurvedist, please forgive. ON many counts, modern

medicine and ayurveda appear diametrically opposing each other. And may

be author is unfamiliar with customs/traditions of west. What happens

in east, may not be applicable to west. But if now west wants to adopt

ayurveda, both must understand each other.

 

ayurveda , <VMYORK wrote:

>

> This is very good information Dr. Bhate. I'm so happy to have it in

my info file for babies starting their first foods. Also, I should have

clarified that my advice about lacto-engineering is meant for babies

under the age of about 6 weeks and strictly breastfeeding who the peds

say aren't heavy enough and want moms to give formula to. Vicky

[Guest guest]

I agree with all that you say, As a lactation consultant I prefer to work with

the mom to help her get a good latch at the breast as soon as possible, then I

know the baby will get the milk if mom understands she needs to feed regularly,

etc. I just recently had a client (as a postpartum doula) whose baby wasn't

gaining as quickly as the ped wanted so he told her to put a scoop of powdered

into her breast milk. I so abhorred this idea, the iron in the formula counters

the iron in the breast milk and the formula isn't the right food for the babe

anyway. So my suggestion to skim off the fat was a better alternative to adding

the formula. When babies gain wt. slowly western peds go into their " liability

conscious " mode and all they can about is to get wt. on the baby as quickly as

possibly instead of working with the mom more to make sure she is healthy and

rested and knows how to breastfeed and can give her baby the time he needs to

gain wt. at his own pace. Americans tend to want everything to be bigger,

faster, etc. that's why they are so fat, and so very busy and have lost all

subtlety. When east and west truly meet, we could all learn better things. Vicky

 

-

Shirish Bhate

ayurveda

Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:48 AM

PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: increasing calories for underwt. babies

 

 

 

 

Between breastfeeding mom and baby, peds should not interven. The

weight tables, normal growth graphs, height graphs etc are all

statistical medicine. Acc. to ayurveda, everybody is unique. While

technique suggested by you might help some babies (Kapha prakruti),

some may get into problems (Vata prakruti). To make it simple to

understand, author takes all to ayurveda, where cybervaidya

explains this better

 

http://health.ayurveda/message/3470

 

Now one more thing is nature knows every baby and mom. Consider the

reason fore milk is high in lactose and hind milk is richer in

fat+protein. And colostrum is special treat to baby for first one week.

If God provided all these adjustments to suit the baby's immature

digestive fire, why should we think that mom may be weak to feed her

baby properly less than 6 weeks old. Breast feed develops acc. to need

of the baby. 90% of the time, it is anxiety of first time mother that

b/feed is affected.

 

Are Peds more intelligent than God? It has been seen that a baby

weighing less in the beginning compared to another baby, overtakes

another baby in height and weight later. So human beings are not

mathematical samples of statistical theories of modern medicine.

 

Babies appear to have better intelligence than elders. When they are

formula fed by a bottle, have you noted how they push away the bottle

once satisfied. On the other hand author always overeats if someone

(Indian custom only) persuades for a little more food and especially if

food is tasty and cooked with interst.

 

If any of you practicing modern medicine and got hurt by a bit abrasive

remarks of this ayurvedist, please forgive. ON many counts, modern

medicine and ayurveda appear diametrically opposing each other. And may

be author is unfamiliar with customs/traditions of west. What happens

in east, may not be applicable to west. But if now west wants to adopt

ayurveda, both must understand each other.

 

ayurveda , <VMYORK wrote:

>

> This is very good information Dr. Bhate. I'm so happy to have it in

my info file for babies starting their first foods. Also, I should have

clarified that my advice about lacto-engineering is meant for babies

under the age of about 6 weeks and strictly breastfeeding who the peds

say aren't heavy enough and want moms to give formula to. Vicky

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Bhate;

Thank you for your strong statements, I am of same opinions even

though gently spoken most of the time as I find you tend to be kind

and respectful also. Yet we need to hear clearly.

 

These:

> The weight tables, normal growth graphs, height graphs etc are all

> statistical medicine. Acc. to ayurveda, everybody is unique.

Charts used in many doctor's offices are provided by formula

companies, selling product which makes bigger/fatter/heavier babies,

not healthier though as I think we all know.

 

My approach with underweight babies is, aside from legal

responsibility to inform midwife or doctor, to focus on support for

the mother's digestive strength (so naturally weak after birth anyway,

more with some mothers) and nutritional input. This culture here

tends to be so backwards for the postpartum mothers' needs, often

avoiding the healthy cholesterols and EFA's both, infact often

avoiding all fats, as well as sweets then binging as they naturally

crave due to need the extra calories and rebuilding as well as

lactation promoting functions of good sweet taste, and the vata

pacifying fats found in junk foods. The tendency is most often strong

to dried foods, toast, fast foods, bad fats, leftovers, cold foods and

drinks, coffee to stay awake and clean the house and run errands which

she should not be doing, all the list contributing to lower

nutritional quality harder to digest and vata increasing milk.

 

>90% of the time, it is anxiety of first time mother that

> b/feed is affected.

 

It is for expanding this discussion I offer these points on the forum,

as you know these things well. I see the anxiety is driven after the

childbirth by these vata increasing factors in our dietary habits as

well as the absence of good example and often minimal experience with

children or around breastfeeding (a significant missing part giving me

difficulties as first time mother) and missing extended family

lifestyle.

 

My teachers have explained that there is a special opportunity after

childbirth to even remove the burden off psychology because the body

is so bonded and geared to serve our babies, the deep openings create

the restructuring in best ability to serve if we support mothers for

it at this time. So naturally, taking care of the mother's body most

wisely Ma Nature provides the rest in form of spontaneously loving

naturally wise mothering.

 

> On the other hand author always overeats if someone (Indian custom

only) persuades for a little more food and especially if food is tasty

and cooked with interst.

This is not an Indian custom only, dear friend!!!

 

> ON many counts, modern medicine and ayurveda appear diametrically

opposing each other.

 

Ah, but to our good fortune, we often do not have to take sides...just

carry on with what works and some of the less effective measures

offered due to the ignorance can simply fall away! Ayurveda is such a

blessing that way. Everyone can understand warm/cool, dry/moist,

heavy light, and the other gunas without learning even ayurvedic

words, and from that fouindation it is so fulfilling to be able often

to point to the direct cognition which self-corrects/guides us.

Practice with it and the gift of the ayurvedic teachers - which

includes AyurDoulas giving care and consult - massages in the expanded

and sometimes more subtle meanings of these simple words more deeply

into this western mindset so focused on crisis and survival.

 

I think our communication challenges come much from residue from a

young, pioneer based (and very pitta dominant/ " I have to do it myself "

culture which we are addressing. That of course is being kind to the

roots of modern medicine with the big monied families who purchased

the hospitals and drug companies and took the attention off the

traditional medicines for profit motives. Those I cannot do anything

about anyway! But I find the simple basics of Ayurveda applied to the

delicious satisfying tastes and textures of postpartum care become

very lifechanging, a great educational window for many of my clients.

 

Dr. Bhate, I am having difficulty finding the message 3470. When

searching for it, only your refference from a more recent post shows.

Does still archive all messages, and is there another way to

search for it besides the article number? >

http://health.ayurveda/message/3470

 

Warm Regards;

Ysha

[Guest guest]

The message 3470 is easily accessible by clicking on the link

provided in old messgae itself. However, for convenience, it is being

reproduced here: The message explains basic of Prakruti and how just

increasing calories or rich food may not help gain weight, depending

on " Prakruti " .

 

 

 

Re: prakriti

 

 

 

Dear

I agree with you that many people wrongly assume a vikruti to

prakriti.

That is why determination of prakriti is not as easy as it seems in

the self-help books.

However somtimes they are helpful in giving an idea about the

concept of Prakriti.

With all due respect to Dr. Mana, I think the answer he gave Alan

must surely be in jest.

For even if had changed his prakriti to have bulked up with thick,

well developed muscles it would be an attempt towards kapha prakriti

and not pitta as he mentions in his answer.

Secondly to deal with pitta prakriti people, kapha prakriti would be

more useful.

Two pitta prakriti people lead to conditions like the Iraq war :->.

I will take the above mentioned case of Dr. Mana to explain how the

concept of prakriti works.

Asuume 3 people of differing prakritis namely vata, pitta and kapha,

aged say about 25 and due to some unnatural circumstances having all

turned out skinny and of medium built.

Now supossing they approach a dietician who has no idea of prakriti,

and he gives them a dietary regimen with all the essential nutrients

required to built up good muscles.

What will happen is the person with kapha prakriti will respond

almost immediately to this regimen and within 3 to 6 months will

have well developed and bulky muscles. Pitta prakriti person will

take 6 months to 1 year for the same while vata prakriti person also

will have the same result but only after a period of 2 to 3 years.

So just building up muscles or making physical changes like cosmetic

makeovers does not mean prakriti has changed.

This is why determination of prakriti is such an essential part of

ayurvedic treatment.

Prakriti determines how your body will respond to the stimuli you

provide from outside, but left on its own it will generally tend to

manifest the symptoms which are mentioned in detail in Charak

Samhita (the questionnaire of many self-help books is based on this).

So the concept that prakriti never changes is very clear and is one

of the fundamental basic of ayurveda.

Though ayurveda and samkhya darshan have influenced each other, the

concept of prakriti cannot be related to the evolution of the bhutas

and the tanmatras. Prakriti does not evolve from anything. It is the

result of the respective position of the doshas at the time of

conception.

Also the tanmatra are not dependant upon the jnana indriyas. They

will exist even in the absence of jnana indriyas. The evolution of

tanmatras and jnana indriyas are from two opposing features of

ahamkara. Jnana indriyas are mediums of perceiving the tanmatras

while the bhutas are the actual personification of the tanmatras.

 

Cybervaidya

 

Original message -

http://health.ayurveda/message/3393

 

 

 

ayurveda , " Martha Oakes "

<AyurDoulas wrote:

> Dr. Bhate, I am having difficulty finding the message 3470. When

> searching for it, only your refference from a more recent post

shows.

> Does still archive all messages, and is there another way to

> search for it besides the article number? >

> http://health.ayurveda/message/3470

[Guest guest]

how do we know what a baby's Prakruti is? Or are you saying that we should

simply let the baby gain weight at his own speed once we are assured that the

mother has adequate milk and the latch and frequency is good and perhaps work

with the mothers diet. I know that one of the things that truly can affect the

mother's breastmilk composition is how much fat she eats, it can increase the

fat content in her breastmilk. Vicky

-

Shirish Bhate

ayurveda

Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:11 PM

PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: increasing calories for underwt. babies

 

 

The message 3470 is easily accessible by clicking on the link

provided in old messgae itself. However, for convenience, it is being

reproduced here: The message explains basic of Prakruti and how just

increasing calories or rich food may not help gain weight, depending

on " Prakruti " .

 

Re: prakriti

 

Dear

I agree with you that many people wrongly assume a vikruti to

prakriti.

That is why determination of prakriti is not as easy as it seems in

the self-help books.

However somtimes they are helpful in giving an idea about the

concept of Prakriti.

With all due respect to Dr. Mana, I think the answer he gave Alan

must surely be in jest.

For even if had changed his prakriti to have bulked up with thick,

well developed muscles it would be an attempt towards kapha prakriti

and not pitta as he mentions in his answer.

Secondly to deal with pitta prakriti people, kapha prakriti would be

more useful.

Two pitta prakriti people lead to conditions like the Iraq war :->.

I will take the above mentioned case of Dr. Mana to explain how the

concept of prakriti works.

Asuume 3 people of differing prakritis namely vata, pitta and kapha,

aged say about 25 and due to some unnatural circumstances having all

turned out skinny and of medium built.

Now supossing they approach a dietician who has no idea of prakriti,

and he gives them a dietary regimen with all the essential nutrients

required to built up good muscles.

What will happen is the person with kapha prakriti will respond

almost immediately to this regimen and within 3 to 6 months will

have well developed and bulky muscles. Pitta prakriti person will

take 6 months to 1 year for the same while vata prakriti person also

will have the same result but only after a period of 2 to 3 years.

So just building up muscles or making physical changes like cosmetic

makeovers does not mean prakriti has changed.

This is why determination of prakriti is such an essential part of

ayurvedic treatment.

Prakriti determines how your body will respond to the stimuli you

provide from outside, but left on its own it will generally tend to

manifest the symptoms which are mentioned in detail in Charak

Samhita (the questionnaire of many self-help books is based on this).

So the concept that prakriti never changes is very clear and is one

of the fundamental basic of ayurveda.

Though ayurveda and samkhya darshan have influenced each other, the

concept of prakriti cannot be related to the evolution of the bhutas

and the tanmatras. Prakriti does not evolve from anything. It is the

result of the respective position of the doshas at the time of

conception.

Also the tanmatra are not dependant upon the jnana indriyas. They

will exist even in the absence of jnana indriyas. The evolution of

tanmatras and jnana indriyas are from two opposing features of

ahamkara. Jnana indriyas are mediums of perceiving the tanmatras

while the bhutas are the actual personification of the tanmatras.

 

Cybervaidya

 

Original message -

http://health.ayurveda/message/3393

 

ayurveda , " Martha Oakes "

<AyurDoulas wrote:

> Dr. Bhate, I am having difficulty finding the message 3470. When

> searching for it, only your refference from a more recent post

shows.

> Does still archive all messages, and is there another way to

> search for it besides the article number? >

> http://health.ayurveda/message/3470

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

dr. Bhate: where does a mother find jaggery and what is it? Excuse my ignorance

about ayurvedic terminology. I'm a postpartum doula/lactation consultant new to

the ayurvedic world. Vicky

 

 

-

Shirish Bhate

ayurveda

Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:13 PM

PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: increasing calories for underwt. babies

 

 

Equally important is gaining immunity. If baby is being given

something more than breast milk, the options such as soaked dates,

dried black grapes, honey, jaggery for mother are discussed at:

 

http://health.ayurveda/message/6650

 

Author has seen mothers from poor class feeding water mixed with

jaggery to hungry babies in India. grapes and honey out-of-reach for

them.

 

dates build up haemoglobin and not fat. On the other hand dates,

boiled with milk help gain weight by way of muscle density and not

fat. The breast milk itself can be used, 2 dates per cup (75 ml),

boil for 10-15 minutes. The fat and protein in milk becomes easy to

digest for lean babies, when milk is boiled. Of course B12 and some

vitamin loss is inevitable.

 

and if baby is already consuming some semi-solids, then an indian

receipe (which can be practiced anywhere in world) to boost immunity

and increase muscle density of baby is provided at:

 

http://health.ayurveda/message/6572

 

The above receipe was provided by a grandma in Bangalore, India.

Experienced by many moms there. addition of jaggery/honey makes

gycoproteins in babies body, giving a good boost to nervous system

performance as well.

 

Honey is exceptional in ayurveda. with lemon juice and warm water it

helps loosing weight, while when it is mixed with warm milk, it helps

gaining weight.

 

When gaining weight is the desire, aswagandha readily comes to the

mind. aswgandha ksheer pak is the ayurvedic name for a milk and

aswgandha powder poridge to be taken by mother so that baby buidls up

weight.

The receipe is:

1 cup milk, 2 cups water, 1 tsp aswgandha powder, slow boil till 1

cup remains, drink warm after adding crystal sugar and a little

cardamom. Boiling of aswgandha in milk takes care of its warming

quality and alsop milk allergies of mother, since boiling makes milk

proteins easily digestible. Crystal sugar and cardamom reduce pitta

or warming quality of awagandha, and add another advantage. This is

sleeping aid also as a result of tryptophan in milk, a serotonin

precursor. Your baby will sleep well, and weight gain occurs during

sleep only, a secret of human body. 11 pm to 1 am is the local time

during which liver makes raw matyerials for fleshy tissues which add

weight. (Circadian rhythm).

 

ayurveda , <VMYORK wrote:

>

> Something I want to mention for the sake of those whose babies

aren't gaining wt. fast enough to please the peds. If he suggests

adding formula to the breastmilk to add calories remember you can

also choose lacto-engineering instead. It consists of simply letting

breastmilk until the cream rises to the top, siphoning the fat off

and adding to the bottle of milk you are feeding the baby. One could

also just pump a little until the foremilk is gone and then put the

baby to the breast to get the hindmilk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Vicky;

Sorry for the delay on this, I knew it was a new term. Jaggery is

found in every Indian market. I leave commentary on qualities of

jaggery mostly to Dr. Bhate or others, although there is some mineral

rich similarities to our Succanat and Rapadura sugars. It is my

understanding that jaggery is also mildly antiparasitic and for young

children (no, not babies) some support is gained by wrapping a seed of

ajwain (similar to wild celery, very strong sharp taste and

antiparasitic) in a little ball of jaggery. Jaggery is more moist

than our natural brown sugars.

 

The inexpensive white sugar and brown sugars in the big groceries here

are processed over charred beef bones, in addition to giveing very

sharp vata increasing as well as kapha increaseing properties. So in

ayurvedic terms without chemical names and inspite of chemical

similarities we can understand some of the problems causing so much

alarm over our white sugar. Some pittas are not as disturbed by it.

Our turbinado and organic cane sugars, though similar chemically, for

reasons which would be interesting to discuss have much difference in

effect and would be suitable unless with congestion for the milk

recipe under discussion.

 

Students new to ayurvedic herbs should know that although it is wise

to have guidance, always, the herb mentioned below, ashwaghanda is

very safe for children, pregnant, lactating mothers, elders,

contraindication primarily with high ama (types of congestion and weak

digestive fire, in which case if still felt indicated, a little ginger

or pippali would be indicated).

 

From pathway of more contemporary medicine, I had learned also that

the mid night hours 11 - 1 pm are when human growth hormone peaks at

highest for the day. Common for babies to nurse again right after

this time then take longest sleep.

 

I have a question, perhaps Michael would be more familiar to answer.

Would our succanat or rapadura sugars be an acceptable substitute for

jaggary in many cases?

 

Warm Regards;

Ysha

 

>dr. Bhate: where does a mother find jaggery and what is it? Excuse

my ignorance about ayurvedic terminology. I'm a postpartum

doula/lactation consultant new to the ayurvedic world. Vicky

 

> Author has seen mothers from poor class feeding water mixed with

> jaggery to hungry babies in India. grapes and honey out-of-reach

for them. dates build up haemoglobin and not fat. On the other hand

 

> Experienced by many moms there. addition of jaggery/honey makes

> gycoproteins in babies body, giving a good boost to nervous system

> performance as well.

>

> When gaining weight is the desire, aswagandha readily comes to the

> mind. aswgandha ksheer pak is the ayurvedic name for a milk and

> aswgandha powder poridge to be taken by mother so that baby buidls

up weight. the receipe is:

 

> ...Your baby will sleep well, and weight gain occurs during sleep

only, a secret of human body. 11 pm to 1 am is the local time during

which liver makes raw matyerials for fleshy tissues which add weight.

(Circadian rhythm).

[Guest guest]

Ysha here is some info on jaggery -- guda from the classical authority

Caraka Suthrasthanam XXV.38-39

The best of sugarcane products is sharkara (generally translated as

refined sugar) and the worst of same is phanita, (unrefined in the sense

that it has coloring matter and other elements--probably a type of

molasses).

 

Ca. Su. XXVII.236-242

Sugarcane products: when taken by chewing, sugarcane juice is tonic /

building, cold, laxative, oily, nourishing, sweet, and aggravating to

kapha. The machine pressed juice causes burning or indigestion. Paundraka

type or sugarcane is superior to vamshaka type as regards coldness,

clarity, and sweetness are concerned. Guda causes increased parasitic

infection. In increases the quantity of marrow, blood, fat, and flesh.

Before its formation as guda the sugarcane juice undergoes four stages

cooking until 1/2, 1/3, 1/4th juice remains. Phanita is the final product

of this process. (note from above this product is inferior according to

Caraka). Probably this equates with one of the molasses products--1st

boil, 2nd boil, 3rd boil or blackstrap. The dhauta variety is cleaned and

has least amount of impurity and as such does not cause that much

increase in parasites, etc....Sugar prepared of sugar cane juice is

tonic, useful in consumption, and unctuous. ...Sugar in general is useful

in thirst, bleeding disorders, and burning sensation.

 

Note: Sugar derives from beets, date palm, sugarcane, and even honey.

Each produces its own effects.

 

To answer your question about turbinado I believe it's best of our

readily available sugar products (Succanat OK) for most purposes. You

might not know but some researchers have determined that there are 8

essential monosaccharides. One of which can only come from milk.

 

Mike

 

 

On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:19:08 -0000 " Martha Oakes "

<AyurDoulas writes:

> Dear Vicky;

> Sorry for the delay on this, I knew it was a new term. Jaggery is

> found in every Indian market. I leave commentary on qualities of

> jaggery mostly to Dr. Bhate or others, although there is some

> mineral

> rich similarities to our Succanat and Rapadura sugars. It is my

> understanding that jaggery is also mildly antiparasitic >

> The inexpensive white sugar and brown sugars in the big groceries

> here

> are processed over charred beef bones, in addition to giveing very

> sharp vata increasing as well as kapha increaseing properties. So

> in

> ayurvedic terms without chemical names and inspite of chemical

> similarities we can understand some of the problems causing so much

> alarm over our white sugar. Some pittas are not as disturbed by it.

>

> Our turbinado and organic cane sugars, though similar chemically,

> for

> reasons which would be interesting to discuss have much difference

> in

> effect and would be suitable unless with congestion for the milk

> recipe under discussion.

>

> I have a question, perhaps Michael would be more familiar to answer.

>

> Would our succanat or rapadura sugars be an acceptable substitute

> for

> jaggary in many cases?

>

> Warm Regards;

> Ysha

>