torn abdominals from birth question

[Guest guest]

Hi All;

 

This question came in this morning and I thought you may be interested

or be able to share more about it. Ysha

 

Hi Ysha -

 

Got a question from a Mom I was talking about the pp program. She is

concerned about her abdominal muscles that tore in labor. Do you have

any suggestions to her about healing them. . . I intuitively know the

massage and fats in her diet are helpful. Anything more on the topic?

 

Lee

www.transcendencespa.net

(303)440-8435

 

Dear Lee;

 

Yes, the whole program is of value, including especially the belly

wrapping, and of course avoiding exercising them till that heals. I

have come across expertise from some massage therapists on working

with this also; Char(Shar?) Lee in Longmont/Boulder (massage therapist

and yoga therapist over 30 years with specialties in perinatal,

healing severely damaged backs, and Tibettan Cranial work also) would

be an excellent contact for this, also the woman directing the

perinatal massage training program at the massage school there, don't

remember her name though I think it was Michelle. AS I remember you

are in the area there?

 

Ysha

[Guest guest]

Hi

I would suggest internal and external treatment with herbs such as Lodhra,

Yashtimadhu, and Nyagrodha would help as these are known to promote wound

healing and I think are particularly appropriate in this case.

 

Dr. THIte

 

On 8/28/07, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas wrote:

>

> Hi All;

>

> This question came in this morning and I thought you may be interested

> or be able to share more about it. Ysha

>

> Hi Ysha -

>

> Got a question from a Mom I was talking about the pp program. She is

> concerned about her abdominal muscles that tore in labor. Do you have

> any suggestions to her about healing them. . . I intuitively know the

> massage and fats in her diet are helpful. Anything more on the topic?

>

> Lee

> www.transcendencespa.net

> (303)440-8435

>

> Dear Lee;

>

> Yes, the whole program is of value, including especially the belly

> wrapping, and of course avoiding exercising them till that heals. I

> have come across expertise from some massage therapists on working

> with this also; Char(Shar?) Lee in Longmont/Boulder (massage therapist

> and yoga therapist over 30 years with specialties in perinatal,

> healing severely damaged backs, and Tibettan Cranial work also) would

> be an excellent contact for this, also the woman directing the

> perinatal massage training program at the massage school there, don't

> remember her name though I think it was Michelle. AS I remember you

> are in the area there?

>

> Ysha

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi All -

Thank you Dr. THite; are these usually compounded or used singly? I

do't believe we have access to Nyagrodha in the US, though have heard

the herb lodhra mentioned.

 

For those unfamiliar, Yashtimadhu is Licorice root - this we have.

Lodhra? and Michael Dick has much detail on Nyagrodha, banyan tree

bark and will post. In the US, we use comfrey sometimes as poultice

for wound healing, but I am not familiar with details of application

(time, amount, temperature, frequency like that). Is there another

herb suitable, indigenous to us?

 

Warm Regards;

Ysha

>

> Hi

> I would suggest internal and external treatment with herbs such as

Lodhra,

> Yashtimadhu, and Nyagrodha would help as these are known to promote

wound

> healing and I think are particularly appropriate in this case.

>

> Dr. THIte

[Guest guest]

These are used singly. For external use, a lepa can be made by

rubbing the herb (bark/stem) on a special stone(called 'sahan' in marathi

language) with some water. Apply thin layer and keep for a couple of

hours. Use water for removing. Can be doen for 3 to 7 days. An oil

called vranaropak tailam can also be used alternately with the lepa. But I

doubt how far massage would help (our primary concern in acute case would be

to keep the wound edges together to promote healing).

 

On 8/30/07, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas wrote:

>

> Hi All -

> Thank you Dr. THite; are these usually compounded or used singly? I

> do't believe we have access to Nyagrodha in the US, though have heard

> the herb lodhra mentioned.

>

> For those unfamiliar, Yashtimadhu is Licorice root - this we have.

> Lodhra? and Michael Dick has much detail on Nyagrodha, banyan tree

> bark and will post. In the US, we use comfrey sometimes as poultice

> for wound healing, but I am not familiar with details of application

> (time, amount, temperature, frequency like that). Is there another

> herb suitable, indigenous to us?

>

> Warm Regards;

> Ysha

> >

> > Hi

> > I would suggest internal and external treatment with herbs such as

> Lodhra,

> > Yashtimadhu, and Nyagrodha would help as these are known to promote

> wound

> > healing and I think are particularly appropriate in this case.

> >

> > Dr. THIte

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Dr. Thite;

 

Thanks for detail; undoubtedly the process can be translated with

indigenous suitable herbs here as well. Licorice herb (powder, cut or

sticks) is readily available in many naturl food stores or from

Banyanbotanicals.com in the US, organic. Also comfrey root and leaf

(not sure which is better for this application).

 

A lepa is a poultice? Herbs covered with cloth? Otherwise t would

dry out and get itchy, not so effective.

 

You are right, one has to be extra careful around any damage to these

tender tissues with massage. Postpartum massage is very rarely taught

in any massage schools here, perhaps as they recognize the risks and

don't recognize the angle needed by mothers after birth. The

Ayurvedic " Home Spa CAre " as we call it includes herbalized warm oil

application in 5-6 positions for the mother. It is very gentle, warm,

repetitive and simple, unlike most massage practices which at client's

request also go deep and massage an area in many ways. It is a

different need at this time, for sure.

 

The belly in this case would have been discussed ahead of time along

with direct feedback whether to simply apply, or use any of the usual

clockwise circular gentle full palm strokes in what we call a sun/moon

fashion, hands always bringing supportive dirction toward the middle

basically. With C-births, only oil application, no belly massage for

10 days is usual. With other issues like this, we have to also go

with whatever doctor or other professional advises and the mother's

feedback.

 

Belly wrapping of course gently holds things in place better, and

gives the discombobulated nervous system and other feedback systems

and slippy-slidy organs in all that newly empty space a chance to find

their way and do their work better around the healing needed. It is a

very helpful " hand holding " .

 

Some members have trained with the Mayan abdominal massage though I

don't know if they are currently listening in. It would be

interesting to hear their results, they are very skilled with various

abdominal needs including this, as I remember.

 

In substitution or for immediate support for the muscle tissue tear, I

keep in collection of essential oils wound healing options such as

Balsam Fir and helichrysum. Many western mothers won't be bothered

with wearing poultices for hours and the cleanup, but are willing to

pay for more expensive easy to use natural options. We can choose to

offer both.

 

Balsam is particularly valuable for broad spectrum of body structural

tissues, including muscle, pain and enhancing the body's HGH which has

to do with how fast we heal, among many other things. Even lavender

oil added to gentle warm oil application has supportive

bioconstituents, including itchy or reddened scars from surgery and

stretching on the skin. Helichrysum italicum is very expensive and

very valuable in many ways.

 

Warm Regards;

Ysha

 

These are used singly. For external use, a lepa can be made by

> rubbing the herb (bark/stem) on a special stone(called 'sahan' in

marathi language) with some water. Apply thin layer and keep for a

couple of > hours. Use water for removing. Can be doen for 3 to 7

days. An