Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Has anyone else run across this? Today I interviewed an experienced local midwife around pregnancy nutrition the way she finds is best. ASide from favoring the Brewer diet (I believe heavy on the proteins towards too acid forming as remembered) she finds her clients with nausea do best favoring white foods in the first months. She and others have spoken about the need for extra calcium also, tending to be abundant in " white foods " including full cream milk, other dairy, white sesame seeds, bananas, stems of swiss chard (couldn't help myself), and what about cauliflower and hmm, not much in the white sugar, white crackers or breads. SHe said it really helps them. ???! Speaking with a pregnant woman who is an intuitive and licensed chiropracter, her take on nausea in early pregnancy was more unprocessed or stuffed emotions, and being in a state where life force is so strongly wanting to go in certain directions that we were not before, and she finds it a sign of the need to stop, check in, and recommit to one's instincts and communicate about what we are really feeling emotionally. AS soon as she did this, her nausea dissappeared. As soon as herself or any family member started repressing emotions, she got nauseas again, even later pregnancy! Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 I have heard of this and it does help some people despite complete lack of nutrients available in what most people turn to as white foods (saltines?!). Much better would be to eat little snacks round the clock, eating protein and/or fat combined with carbs to stabilize blood sugar levels. Some experience more nausea with girl babies which corresponds to the hormonal explanation. Certainly good to look at what a mother cannot stomach in life, but often this discomfort is physiological rather than psychological and we don't want to lay guilt trips on women who are already feeling miserable. Go gently into those waters! Related note, my midwifery preceptor noticed that heartburn is related to eating refined foods esp. foods made with ANY kind of flour, and of course sweets. If women eliminate these foods often their pregnancy heartburn disappears! They can still eat spicy food--it is the hard- to-digest food that just sits and sits which causes the acid reflux. I wonder if those women who eat the white foods for nausea are experiencing heartburn later in their pregnancies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 I was curious to read what Dr. Lad had to say on the subject. And it's interesting... This is from The Complete Book of Ayurvedic Home Remedies Morning Sickness Early in pregnancy, morning sickness-nausea and vomiting in the early morning immediately or soon after waking up-is quite common. this condition is due to aggravation of pitta and is especially common among pitta individuals. It usually occurs from approximately the sixth to the tenth week of pregnancy. Some medical researchers have said that the level of estrogen in the blood rises during pregnancy. Estrogen is pittagenic. The higher estrogen level in the blood triggers pitta in the stomach and increases acid secretion, so that the stomach becomes more acidic. In the early morning, when the stomach is empty and acidic, morning sickness can occur. Also, certain odors can trigger nausea and vomiting at any time of the day or night, but sensitivity to smell is greatest in the morning. During pregnancy, a woman's sense of smell becomes unusually sensitive. The reason is interesting. According to Ayurveda, the earth element is particularly prominent during pregnancy, because the fetus is building and growing and the earth element is responsible for solidity and structure. the earth element is also associated with the sense of smell. Ayurvedic literature talks poetically about morning sickness, saying that it is common among women whose babies will develop a copious head of hair after birth. Believe it or not, the first thing to do upon waking up in the morning is to put something in your stomach. Have a little light food. You might try some crackers with a slightly salty taste. Salt is generally pitta provoking, but a small quantity of salt stimulates salivary secretion and helps to reduce pitta. Fresh lime juice is also helpful, with a little salt and sugar. Coconut water with 1 teaspoon of lemon juice, sip every 15 minutes. Soak 10 raw almonds overnight, and next morning peel off the skin and eat them. In addition to providing a high quality protein, almonds are a good source of calcium. Pregnant mothers need both. And they settle the stomach. Milk with rose water. Dr. Lad also mentions a few other herbal formulas. But I thought it was interesting to see the " white foods " show up. Crackers, Almonds, Coconut Water, and Milk. Patti Garland Ayurvedic Chef and LifeStyle Coach Bliss Kitchen http://www.BlissKitchen.com (760) 902-7020 On Sep 8, 2007, at 5:40 PM, adrienneleeds wrote: I have heard of this and it does help some people despite complete lack of nutrients available in what most people turn to as white foods (saltines?!). Much better would be to eat little snacks round the clock, eating protein and/or fat combined with carbs to stabilize blood sugar levels. Some experience more nausea with girl babies which corresponds to the hormonal explanation. Certainly good to look at what a mother cannot stomach in life, but often this discomfort is physiological rather than psychological and we don't want to lay guilt trips on women who are already feeling miserable. Go gently into those waters! Related note, my midwifery preceptor noticed that heartburn is related to eating refined foods esp. foods made with ANY kind of flour, and of course sweets. If women eliminate these foods often their pregnancy heartburn disappears! They can still eat spicy food--it is the hard- to-digest food that just sits and sits which causes the acid reflux. I wonder if those women who eat the white foods for nausea are experiencing heartburn later in their pregnancies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Hi Ade! How close are you to being a midwife now? Sounds like in addition to keeping up with little Joshua, you are in the flow with clients these days? Lucky mamas. Hey, lets welcome an amazing midwife to the group, just joined this AM. SHell Walker is the one who shared this white foods thing with me; she serves northern ARizona and has several apprentices. I'll let her make other introductions. > (saltines?!). Much better would be to eat little snacks round the > clock, eating protein and/or fat combined with carbs to stabilize > blood sugar levels. This makes always sense to me, along with tuning in to the individual mama and her agni (digestive fire) conditions. >Some experience more nausea with girl babies which corresponds to the hormonal explanation. Interesting! My difficult pregnancy was with my first, a boy. But the astrology confirms we had deep issues, different styles and life understandings to harmonize. The way I see it, between his feminine nature and mine. Still hormonal. >Certainly good to look at what a mother cannot stomach in life, but often this discomfort is physiological rather than psychological and we don't want to lay guilt trips on women who are already feeling miserable. Go gently into those waters! Good reminder! Yes, look first to what will restore balance in the doshas and gunas often is most important to protect the psychology too. What worked best for me that pregnancy for the nausea, after trying many things,were flower essences. Definitely addressing vibrational subtle body balancing and so gentle, homeopathic style. Postpartum usually we call on essential oils instead of these flower essences(and herbs, if extra is needed beyond the Ayurvedic foods, home spa routine and as always, TLC and rest) being more physical plane, earth/water/fire element supportive instead which is what is more needed at that time. > > Related note, my midwifery preceptor noticed that heartburn is related to eating refined foods esp. foods made with ANY kind of flour, and of course sweets. .. I wonder if those women who eat the white foods for nausea are experiencing heartburn later in their pregnancies? Caution/red flags to look at, for sure. Mainstream western diet mamas, (whatever that diversely may mean, still - )pretty likely related problems. Although there are so many influences aside from WHAT we eat to what we make of it. The whole digestive strength and by products discussion keeps coming up, often more important! Warm Regards, Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Welcome Patti, and thanks for bringing Dr. Lad's useful info in; that resource is a must have in my opinion. It is curious to me, however, that though Dr. Lad calls estrogen pittagenic, Dr. Claudia Welsch (who teaches Women's Transitions weekend at his institute sometimes) said she disagrees, and that estrogen increases tissue, it supports building energy, and that it is kaphagenic (increasing to earth and water elements, structure, fluids etc). That " copious head of hair " isn't that a kapha body type trait? My perception is that often there is kapha or pitta ama (incomplete products of digestion) associated with prenatal nausea. If our AHHH for life is too slow or too hot, in both cases we tend to collect impurities in our system, with emotional/mental and physical effects possible. Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Does it matter? Perhaps both Claudia and Dr. Lad are right; certainly building bodies is part of women's passion, something we can get heated about and have to do lots of stomach fire work in the form of attracting food with this AHHHgni (AHHH or appetite for life!). Warm REgards; Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Thank you for your welcome. I have so much to learn! Often, what I read and/or hear doesn't come with much explanation. So it's great to have a forum where we can share our stories about work in the field. I look forward to participating. Blissfully yours, Patti -- Patti Garland Ayurvedic Chef and LifeStyle Coach Bliss Kitchen http://www.BlissKitchen.com (760) 902-7020 On Sep 9, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Ysha Oakes wrote: Welcome Patti, and thanks for bringing Dr. Lad's useful info in; that resource is a must have in my opinion. It is curious to me, however, that though Dr. Lad calls estrogen pittagenic, Dr. Claudia Welsch (who teaches Women's Transitions weekend at his institute sometimes) said she disagrees, and that estrogen increases tissue, it supports building energy, and that it is kaphagenic (increasing to earth and water elements, structure, fluids etc). That " copious head of hair " isn't that a kapha body type trait? My perception is that often there is kapha or pitta ama (incomplete products of digestion) associated with prenatal nausea. If our AHHH for life is too slow or too hot, in both cases we tend to collect impurities in our system, with emotional/mental and physical effects possible. Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Does it matter? Perhaps both Claudia and Dr. Lad are right; certainly building bodies is part of women's passion, something we can get heated about and have to do lots of stomach fire work in the form of attracting food with this AHHHgni (AHHH or appetite for life!). Warm REgards; Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 We very frequently use rice pops as food of choice for conditions like nausea, vomiting, fever, acidity and indigestion, both during pregnancy or otherwise. Rice pops have a distinct anti-nausea and anti-vomiting property, and is indeed a very 'light' food and still provide necessary energy and this will not produce any mucous. I have successfully used rice-pops-water to treat moderate dehydration. (Rice pops mixed with water and filtered, use the water, you may add very little sugar and a pinch of salt). Coconut water could also be used similarly. Dr. Thite On 9/9/07, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas wrote: > > Has anyone else run across this? Today I interviewed an experienced > local midwife around pregnancy nutrition the way she finds is best. > ASide from favoring the Brewer diet (I believe heavy on the proteins > towards too acid forming as remembered) she finds her clients with > nausea do best favoring white foods in the first months. She and > others have spoken about the need for extra calcium also, tending to > be abundant in " white foods " including full cream milk, other dairy, > white sesame seeds, bananas, stems of swiss chard (couldn't help > myself), and what about cauliflower and hmm, not much in the white > sugar, white crackers or breads. SHe said it really helps them. ???! > > Speaking with a pregnant woman who is an intuitive and licensed > chiropracter, her take on nausea in early pregnancy was more > unprocessed or stuffed emotions, and being in a state where life force > is so strongly wanting to go in certain directions that we were not > before, and she finds it a sign of the need to stop, check in, and > recommit to one's instincts and communicate about what we are really > feeling emotionally. AS soon as she did this, her nausea > dissappeared. As soon as herself or any family member started > repressing emotions, she got nauseas again, even later pregnancy! > > Ysha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Hi everyone! Happy to be here and looking forward to expanding my understanding of nutrition. It is so easy to for me to feel like a broken record at times- you know, I get in a groove that I understand, that I have commited to memory, etc. etc. My latest thought for my healthy clients is... " eat what you eat, do what you do, but add something wild harvested as often as you can " A dandylion leaf, a few fingerfulls of lambsquarters, a prickley fruit, a mesquite pod... we have all of those and more everywhere here. I think the vitatlity is so important. Anyway, thanks for having me here! Shell Walker www.themidwife.net shell 928-649-0399 928-862-0582 Quoting Patti Garland <patti: > Thank you for your welcome. > > I have so much to learn! Often, what I read and/or hear doesn't come > with much explanation. So it's great to have a forum where we can > share our stories about work in the field. > > I look forward to participating. > > Blissfully yours, > Patti > -- > Patti Garland > Ayurvedic Chef and LifeStyle Coach > Bliss Kitchen > http://www.BlissKitchen.com > (760) 902-7020 > > > > On Sep 9, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Ysha Oakes wrote: > > Welcome Patti, and thanks for bringing Dr. Lad's useful info in; that > resource is a must have in my opinion. > > It is curious to me, however, that though Dr. Lad calls estrogen > pittagenic, Dr. Claudia Welsch (who teaches Women's Transitions > weekend at his institute sometimes) said she disagrees, and that > estrogen increases tissue, it supports building energy, and that it is > kaphagenic (increasing to earth and water elements, structure, fluids > etc). That " copious head of hair " isn't that a kapha body type trait? > > My perception is that often there is kapha or pitta ama (incomplete > products of digestion) associated with prenatal nausea. If our AHHH > for life is too slow or too hot, in both cases we tend to collect > impurities in our system, with emotional/mental and physical effects > possible. Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Does it matter? > > Perhaps both Claudia and Dr. Lad are right; certainly building bodies > is part of women's passion, something we can get heated about and have > to do lots of stomach fire work in the form of attracting food with > this AHHHgni (AHHH or appetite for life!). > > Warm REgards; > Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 If nausea is really unbearable, I look at H-Pylori and low stomach acid- which of course can be related to H-pylori. In these cases HCl can be helpful as can lemon water and ginger. Other things to look at: dyhydration Over-use of antacids Gallblader issues and bile production. Thyroid issues- which can relate to the gallblader issues and bile Abuse history which can relate to the thyroid issues For me, it is important to realize that pathways to health are just paradigms. One woman may respond to emotional therapy, one to dietary changes. It is always good to ask what the mother thinks would work best for her. Shell Quoting cm thite <cmthite: > We very frequently use rice pops as food of choice for conditions like > nausea, vomiting, fever, acidity and indigestion, both during pregnancy or > otherwise. Rice pops have a distinct anti-nausea and anti-vomiting > property, and is indeed a very 'light' food and still provide necessary > energy and this will not produce any mucous. I have successfully used > rice-pops-water to treat moderate dehydration. (Rice pops mixed with water > and filtered, use the water, you may add very little sugar and a pinch of > salt). Coconut water could also be used similarly. > > Dr. Thite > On 9/9/07, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas wrote: > > > > Has anyone else run across this? Today I interviewed an experienced > > local midwife around pregnancy nutrition the way she finds is best. > > ASide from favoring the Brewer diet (I believe heavy on the proteins > > towards too acid forming as remembered) she finds her clients with > > nausea do best favoring white foods in the first months. She and > > others have spoken about the need for extra calcium also, tending to > > be abundant in " white foods " including full cream milk, other dairy, > > white sesame seeds, bananas, stems of swiss chard (couldn't help > > myself), and what about cauliflower and hmm, not much in the white > > sugar, white crackers or breads. SHe said it really helps them. ???! > > > > Speaking with a pregnant woman who is an intuitive and licensed > > chiropracter, her take on nausea in early pregnancy was more > > unprocessed or stuffed emotions, and being in a state where life force > > is so strongly wanting to go in certain directions that we were not > > before, and she finds it a sign of the need to stop, check in, and > > recommit to one's instincts and communicate about what we are really > > feeling emotionally. AS soon as she did this, her nausea > > dissappeared. As soon as herself or any family member started > > repressing emotions, she got nauseas again, even later pregnancy! > > > > Ysha > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Hi Dr. Thite; Here in the US " pops " are short for popsicles, or a frozen ice cream or fruit juice type bar on a stick. It does not sound like this is what you mean, maybe you are speaking of something more similar to our popcorn? The dry popped rice would give quick but more stable than sugar carbs, like our saltine crackers do. Are they bland then, or salted or seasoned? BLand being more appropriate for the sentence below, I'd assume so. > We very frequently use rice pops as food of choice for conditions like nausea, vomiting, fever, acidity and indigestion, both during pregnancy or otherwise. Rice pops have a distinct anti-nausea and anti-vomiting property, and is indeed a very 'light' food and still > I have successfully used rice-pops-water to treat moderate dehydration. (mixed with water and filtered, use the water,salt, sugar Makes me curious the form of these rice pops! Regards; Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Hi Shell; We like the " terrain medicine " big picture look at things too here. My " Ayurvedic " and misc (very much terrain medicine) approach quick notes interleaved... > Other things to look at: > dyhydration oh yes! and highly acidic system, whether wound up from stress or from dietary imbalances > Over-use of antacids I don't know people that use them. Interesting to reflect; destroying digestive fire when it has been too high, too pitta and acidic, or I have heard discussion of people with heartburn thinking they have too much stomach acid but somehow they actually have too little and respond really well to apple cider vinegar in small amounts regularly. Vinegar helping to cut excess mucuos in the stomach (maybe that is why the stomach acids are backing up?) support digestive fires and transform from weak acid to alkalizing post digestive effect) > Gallblader issues and bile production. clogged or poor agni (digestive fire)? > Thyroid issues- which can relate to the gallblader issues and bile and long term - weak agni, candida, and or overdoing and underexpressing? > Abuse history which can relate to the thyroid issues please unfold this thougt more? > It is always good to ask what the mother thinks would work best for her. Oh yes! They sometimes have a good sense of direction with it. And what they are willing to do in terms of the often many options that may present to recommend. Either all this becomes a confusing pile of so many choices, or it reminds and confirms the practitioner's self knowledge and inner wisdom about how the body works; everything is so interconnected. REpeating ourselves is part of restoring what we already know (or someone else already knows) but have forgotten, restoring the biological memory, weaving the threads of wholeness. Weaving is very repetitive! As in person, I appreciate your vitality in sharing, SHell. Warmly; Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 I was wondering the same thing about the " pops. " My chef mind quickly went into action, making kanji water popsicles!!! LOL. xo Patti Patti Garland Ayurvedic Chef and LifeStyle Coach Bliss Kitchen http://www.BlissKitchen.com (760) 902-7020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Hi all, Well, yes similar to popcorn but instead of corn whole rice grains (with outer covering) are used to prepare these. These are called as Laja in sankrit, Lava in Hindi, and Lahya in Marathi. Laja can me made out of many other grains such as Bajra, Javar, etc. Properties of Laja and its use is described in ALL ancient ayurvedic texts. Even popcorns could be used in the same way as described in my previous post (without salt/sugar or seasoning). Thanks Ms Ysha for your comments on my posts, without those I fear I could be grossly misunderstood. I am happy that I am learning many new things. Dr. Thite On 9/10/07, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas wrote: > Hi Dr. Thite; > Here in the US " pops " are short for popsicles, or a frozen ice cream > or fruit juice type bar on a stick. It does not sound like this is > what you mean, maybe you are speaking of something more similar to our > popcorn? The dry popped rice would give quick but more stable than > sugar carbs, like our saltine crackers do. Are they bland then, or > salted or seasoned? BLand being more appropriate for the sentence > below, I'd assume so. > > > We very frequently use rice pops as food of choice for conditions > like nausea, vomiting, fever, acidity and indigestion, both during > pregnancy or otherwise. Rice pops have a distinct anti-nausea and > anti-vomiting property, and is indeed a very 'light' food and still > > > I have successfully used rice-pops-water to treat moderate > dehydration. (mixed with water and filtered, use the water,salt, sugar > > Makes me curious the form of these rice pops! > > Regards; > Ysha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Hi Dr. Thite; This comment, >Properties of Laja and its use is described in ALL ancient ayurvedic texts. is intriguing! Is it available, does anyone know, in Indian stores easily in the US? Not that we even have one here, but the big cities do. > Even popcorns could be used in the same way as described in my previous post (without salt/sugar or seasoning). Sounds very kapha reducing. > Thanks Ms Ysha for your comments on my posts, without those I fear I could be grossly misunderstood. I am happy that I am learning many new things. Same here! It is an honor to have you share with us and to be of service to you. Namaste Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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