Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Dear Mentors in Postpartum Ayurveda - This new client at 3 weeks postpartum is taking 3 days care - has reaction to very small amount of pippali in boiled milk with a little cardamom, maybe saffron only. Her husband used he said much less than 1/5 teaspoon and each time, within a couple hours the pain and apparent inflammation was tremendous, just in the breasts. This woman in early pregnancy was given shatavari and it created significant fibrocystic or some kind of lumpiness growth, so she stopped that. 8th or 9th month began to have gassy digestion for first time really. At 3 weeks pp, her appetite is not strong though well fed by husband who teaches ayurvedic cooking, we are looking at use of some food combining, leftovers, and other factors also. It seems probable to me the pippali was addressing the need for increased cellular agni in breast area where already so much attention for baby is going on, and helping her body to flush some clogging in the shrotas? We are trying today a formula which has pippali (created before this info was shared wtih me) of the following and hoping the balancing pitta reducing and antiinflammatory balance may sufficiently soften pippali's drama for her. Will let you know how it works after tomorrow. 8 parts shatavari, 3 ashwagandha, 2 each pippali, guduchi, bala, 1 ea jatamamsi, brahmi, 1/8 sandalwood, 1/2 tsp bid. Dashmool decoction begun today also. Her vata is high of course, but to the extent of having felt shaky sometimes and they will be moving at about 4-5 weeks postpartum, to live near extended family (fortunately simple household, and husband reminded he does the packing and moving, not her if they don't have help) . Her pitta (kapha second) prakruti, normally in good balance except for kapha vikruti when they eat too heavily for occasion, pitta is also high though low agni, particularly as midwife advised use of extra protein in form of meat, and she has craved red meat in first week after birth, though not wanting to eat it it has helped baby to take rest at night, and her to feel more steady. There was 1.5 pint blood loss at birth, though otherwise 12 hour labor of first birth went well. Naturally for these three days care allowed with her, we are addressing/adjusting dietary, herbal, massage and other suitable supports. Any other advice regarding especially this unusual manifestation with pippali gratefully accepted. Namaste; Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Greetings Ysha and Group! Pippili was being used to burn toxins and open channels, re-igniting agni? Dr. Mishra thinks pippili is way too heating for people these days esp those with amavisha (fermented, hot ama), low soma/prana, high Pitta and acidic pH. He actually uses pungent clove and lists it as having cooling vipak, to help cool and open channels. I don't know if some organic rose could be added to formula, or in her milk drink to soften? He also uses marshmallow root to bind (esp these 'hot') toxins and help them out of the body. I don't know how pp does with ajwain, but thats also a channel opener and less heating. Could a poultice be put on the breast to help relieve inflammation and keep circulation flowing? I don't know if anything helpful there! Many Blessings, Nancy On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas wrote: > Dear Mentors in Postpartum Ayurveda - > > This new client at 3 weeks postpartum is taking 3 days care - has > reaction to very small amount of pippali in boiled milk with a little > cardamom, maybe saffron only. Her husband used he said much less than > 1/5 teaspoon and each time, within a couple hours the pain and > apparent inflammation was tremendous, just in the breasts. This woman > in early pregnancy was given shatavari and it created significant > fibrocystic or some kind of lumpiness growth, so she stopped that. > 8th or 9th month began to have gassy digestion for first time really. > At 3 weeks pp, her appetite is not strong though well fed by husband > who teaches ayurvedic cooking, we are looking at use of some food > combining, leftovers, and other factors also. > > It seems probable to me the pippali was addressing the need for > increased cellular agni in breast area where already so much attention > for baby is going on, and helping her body to flush some clogging in > the shrotas? We are trying today a formula which has pippali (created > before this info was shared wtih me) of the following and hoping the > balancing pitta reducing and antiinflammatory balance may sufficiently > soften pippali's drama for her. Will let you know how it works after > tomorrow. > > 8 parts shatavari, 3 ashwagandha, 2 each pippali, guduchi, bala, 1 ea > jatamamsi, brahmi, 1/8 sandalwood, 1/2 tsp bid. Dashmool decoction > begun today also. Her vata is high of course, but to the extent of > having felt shaky sometimes and they will be moving at about 4-5 weeks > postpartum, to live near extended family (fortunately simple > household, and husband reminded he does the packing and moving, not > her if they don't have help) . > > Her pitta (kapha second) prakruti, normally in good balance except for > kapha vikruti when they eat too heavily for occasion, pitta is also > high though low agni, particularly as midwife advised use of extra > protein in form of meat, and she has craved red meat in first week > after birth, though not wanting to eat it it has helped baby to take > rest at night, and her to feel more steady. There was 1.5 pint blood > loss at birth, though otherwise 12 hour labor of first birth went well. > > Naturally for these three days care allowed with her, we are > addressing/adjusting dietary, herbal, massage and other suitable supports. > > Any other advice regarding especially this unusual manifestation with > pippali gratefully accepted. > > Namaste; > Ysha > > > -- LIFE IN BALANCE AYURVEDA www.AyurvedicBalance.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Hi Nancy - The three days care as usual was an awesome turnaround for this young mother. She and husband " thought they knew Ayurveda " and could self manage well, discovered it is a whole distinct care set of needs and deeper understanding of Ayurveda for it needed. Also that where they cut corners really cost them, and they see it differently. How much they will continue who knows, but they will do their best given circumstances, seing how different she and Baby feel. The pippali/herb formula was given once the first morning and she experienced much less pain and half the duration of discomfort - 1 hour instead of 2 plus, nonetheless we gave none for the next 48 hours. Monday two doses of the formula, and NO negative reaction AT ALL. She will be using the herbs and gradually increase to normal 1/2 tsp dose of the blend. Sleep is still better when she eats red meat, though digestion " 70% " less gas without, so they are on the mend. I love pippali myself, once I got past fear of clove (Thanks to Dr. Mishra's explanation of it's sweet vipak and actually cooling effect after digestion when used in small amounts, I decided to be honest with pippali too. Not that it is cooling, yet Saraswati taught that it's intensity, though similar to black pepper, is much more focused to igniting agnis and much less systemically " rascally " as is black pepper. The initial effect is scarey to those who don't know, as it so immediately starts to kick in the cellular level agnis in the mouth! And sort of like niacin, seems to give a brief flush. Feels great to me. My friend Mata Prema, Madhavi's mother, shared the common advice in India apparently is for premenopausal or menopausal women to drink turmeric/pippali tea (1/4-1/2 tsp each per cup!) for much benefit. I tried it and very much appreciated its effect. AT 59, not my major concern anymore, though sometimes for not just kapha or respiratory effects, I'll enjoy it. I know Dr. Dube also changed all the formulas Dr. Naram was using to include less pippali, for westerners, and that Indians as a whole are said to be dominantly vata and kapha, Americans pitta dominant, so this does make some sense. However, Americans as a whole it is my guess have much more ama and need to take better care of agni (just look at our skin compared to Indians " !) as a group, so what might this mean back the other way? Who am I to contradict Dr. Mishra, he is so masterful! Yet, doesn't pippali rather open pranic channels? IT is for sure, manyamericans have the amavisha. So many with yeast. What does he say about the epidemic proportions it seems in our country with yeast? Or about what seems especially high among natural foodists? I'll give you a call again in few days - I'm on the road again, moving base to be in service to my own mother for some months in the Pacific Northwest. I really wasn't out of boxes in Albuquerque from that move, and fortunately have been able to sublet to Ayurvedic Institute students for the school year and leave what I can't carry in my car... it is not easy to keep this moving up. And I " ll have much less of my own things to care for! And lots of hours on the road to Washington state so maybe we can catch up then. Love, Ysha > Greetings Ysha and Group! > Pippili was being used to burn toxins and open channels, re-igniting agni? > > Dr. Mishra thinks pippili is way too heating for people these days esp those > with amavisha (fermented, hot ama), low soma/prana, high Pitta and acidic > pH. > > He actually uses pungent clove and lists it as having cooling vipak, to help > cool and open channels. > > I don't know if some organic rose could be added to formula, or in her milk > drink to soften? He also uses marshmallow root to bind (esp these 'hot') > toxins and help them out of the body. I don't know how pp does with ajwain, > but thats also a channel opener and less heating. > > Could a poultice be put on the breast to help relieve inflammation and keep > circulation flowing? > > I don't know if anything helpful there! > Many Blessings, > Nancy > > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas wrote: > > > Dear Mentors in Postpartum Ayurveda - > > > > This new client at 3 weeks postpartum is taking 3 days care - has > > reaction to very small amount of pippali in boiled milk with a little > > cardamom, maybe saffron only. Her husband used he said much less than > > 1/5 teaspoon and each time, within a couple hours the pain and > > apparent inflammation was tremendous, just in the breasts. This woman > > in early pregnancy was given shatavari and it created significant > > fibrocystic or some kind of lumpiness growth, so she stopped that. > > 8th or 9th month began to have gassy digestion for first time really. > > At 3 weeks pp, her appetite is not strong though well fed by husband > > who teaches ayurvedic cooking, we are looking at use of some food > > combining, leftovers, and other factors also. > > > > It seems probable to me the pippali was addressing the need for > > increased cellular agni in breast area where already so much attention > > for baby is going on, and helping her body to flush some clogging in > > the shrotas? We are trying today a formula which has pippali (created > > before this info was shared wtih me) of the following and hoping the > > balancing pitta reducing and antiinflammatory balance may sufficiently > > soften pippali's drama for her. Will let you know how it works after > > tomorrow. > > > > 8 parts shatavari, 3 ashwagandha, 2 each pippali, guduchi, bala, 1 ea > > jatamamsi, brahmi, 1/8 sandalwood, 1/2 tsp bid. Dashmool decoction > > begun today also. Her vata is high of course, but to the extent of > > having felt shaky sometimes and they will be moving at about 4-5 weeks > > postpartum, to live near extended family (fortunately simple > > household, and husband reminded he does the packing and moving, not > > her if they don't have help) . > > > > Her pitta (kapha second) prakruti, normally in good balance except for > > kapha vikruti when they eat too heavily for occasion, pitta is also > > high though low agni, particularly as midwife advised use of extra > > protein in form of meat, and she has craved red meat in first week > > after birth, though not wanting to eat it it has helped baby to take > > rest at night, and her to feel more steady. There was 1.5 pint blood > > loss at birth, though otherwise 12 hour labor of first birth went well. > > > > Naturally for these three days care allowed with her, we are > > addressing/adjusting dietary, herbal, massage and other suitable supports. > > > > Any other advice regarding especially this unusual manifestation with > > pippali gratefully accepted. > > > > Namaste; > > Ysha > > > > > > > > > > -- > LIFE IN BALANCE AYURVEDA > www.AyurvedicBalance.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Hi Ysha!!! Very cool that the mom is getting good results! I hope I didn't sound challenging in my posts...just adding some of what Dr. Mishra says, b/c she seemed to be having a hard time with pippili. Dr. Mishra doesn't even go for ginger!!! which is hard to deal with! He has some dried and washed with lyme ginger with less heat...I have a hard time using it. He's all about neutralizing fermentation/acidity before opening channels and pulling out. I guess it makes more sense thinking about everyones lack of soma. Anyhow...wow! How are you feeling about another move?? Is it to go spend some time with your mom, or other things also? I heard you are coming to NAMA, being at LOA table? I have decided not to attend full nama myself, I want to connect with folks, but I can't afford both nama and Dr. Mishra has a class in PA the following weekend. So much going on here! I am doing well! I just had an eye surgury friday...to burn out some scar tissue. Before I had a whopping inflammation, but its seems to be about so much more than just my eye health. Other stuff is still up in the air as was before! I am having a house (basement) sale this weekend. I'm so excited Liz learned Sahaj 2 weeks ago! I also rec'd a spiritual name- but I don't know if its easy to say! I started doing some basic kundalini yoga for nervous system and vitality, I love it. I got my period after 1 session, after skipping 3 for 1st time in life. I really look forward to catching up with you!!! I just heard that Chicago was rated most stressful city in the country!!! I'm counting the years...I wish I could move out west and be your neighbor!!! Much love to you Ysha, Namaste, Nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Hi Nancy! Come to Palm Desert! I spent the summer building a fantastic garden for a client! It's warm, sunny, beautiful, and close to Dr. Mishra!!! I'm a big fan of Kundalini Yoga. You have a fantastic teacher in Chicago, Shakta Kaur (no one here teaching KY or Ayurveda!). I've decided not to attend the NAMA conference also. LOA = Light on Ayurveda OR Law of Attraction where we learn it's all about energy! Blissfully, Patti Patti Garland Ayurvedic Chef and Organic Gardener Bliss Kitchen http://www.BlissKitchen.com (760) 238-6451 On Sep 24, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Nancy Phillips wrote: Hi Ysha!!! Very cool that the mom is getting good results! I hope I didn't sound challenging in my posts...just adding some of what Dr. Mishra says, b/ c she seemed to be having a hard time with pippili. Dr. Mishra doesn't even go for ginger!!! which is hard to deal with! He has some dried and washed with lyme ginger with less heat...I have a hard time using it. He's all about neutralizing fermentation/acidity before opening channels and pulling out. I guess it makes more sense thinking about everyones lack of soma. Anyhow...wow! How are you feeling about another move?? Is it to go spend some time with your mom, or other things also? I heard you are coming to NAMA, being at LOA table? I have decided not to attend full nama myself, I want to connect with folks, but I can't afford both nama and Dr. Mishra has a class in PA the following weekend. So much going on here! I am doing well! I just had an eye surgury friday...to burn out some scar tissue. Before I had a whopping inflammation, but its seems to be about so much more than just my eye health. Other stuff is still up in the air as was before! I am having a house (basement) sale this weekend. I'm so excited Liz learned Sahaj 2 weeks ago! I also rec'd a spiritual name- but I don't know if its easy to say! I started doing some basic kundalini yoga for nervous system and vitality, I love it. I got my period after 1 session, after skipping 3 for 1st time in life. I really look forward to catching up with you!!! I just heard that Chicago was rated most stressful city in the country!!! I'm counting the years...I wish I could move out west and be your neighbor!!! Much love to you Ysha, Namaste, Nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 OMG Patti I'd LOVE to move to Palm Desert....it looks so beautiful! I have several clients that rave about Shakta Kaur and her studio downtown! I may be moving farther south in the city...if so maybe downtown won't seem so far away and a hassle to go practice with her! I'm sorry that Chicago won't be graced with your presence Patti, but I understand! Many Blessings! Nancy On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Patti Garland <pattiwrote: > Hi Nancy! > > Come to Palm Desert! I spent the summer building a fantastic garden > for a client! It's warm, sunny, beautiful, and close to Dr. Mishra!!! > I'm a big fan of Kundalini Yoga. You have a fantastic teacher in > Chicago, Shakta Kaur (no one here teaching KY or Ayurveda!). I've > decided not to attend the NAMA conference also. LOA = Light on > Ayurveda OR Law of Attraction where we learn it's all about energy! > > Blissfully, > Patti > > Patti Garland > Ayurvedic Chef and Organic Gardener > Bliss Kitchen > http://www.BlissKitchen.com <http://www.blisskitchen.com/> > (760) 238-6451 > > On Sep 24, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Nancy Phillips wrote: > > Hi Ysha!!! > Very cool that the mom is getting good results! I hope I didn't sound > challenging in my posts...just adding some of what Dr. Mishra says, b/ > c she > seemed to be having a hard time with pippili. Dr. Mishra doesn't even > go for > ginger!!! which is hard to deal with! He has some dried and washed > with lyme > ginger with less heat...I have a hard time using it. He's all about > neutralizing fermentation/acidity before opening channels and pulling > out. I > guess it makes more sense thinking about everyones lack of soma. > > Anyhow...wow! How are you feeling about another move?? Is it to go spend > some time with your mom, or other things also? I heard you are coming to > NAMA, being at LOA table? I have decided not to attend full nama > myself, I > want to connect with folks, but I can't afford both nama and Dr. > Mishra has > a class in PA the following weekend. > > So much going on here! I am doing well! I just had an eye surgury > friday...to burn out some scar tissue. Before I had a whopping > inflammation, > but its seems to be about so much more than just my eye health. Other > stuff > > is still up in the air as was before! I am having a house (basement) > sale > this weekend. > > I'm so excited Liz learned Sahaj 2 weeks ago! I also rec'd a spiritual > name- > but I don't know if its easy to say! I started doing some basic > kundalini > yoga for nervous system and vitality, I love it. I got my period after 1 > session, after skipping 3 for 1st time in life. > > I really look forward to catching up with you!!! I just heard that > Chicago > was rated most stressful city in the country!!! I'm counting the > years...I > wish I could move out west and be your neighbor!!! > > Much love to you Ysha, > Namaste, > Nancy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Hi Nancy - > I hope I didn't sound challenging in my posts...just adding some of what Dr. Mishra says, Not at all. I love the exchange of fine points and very much honor Dr. Mishra's work. And as mentioned, am aware of the controversies around use of pippali here. I was not surprised, and very happy to see her results come around, as I know her agni was quite out of balance. Again, seeing her appetite come up after just one day's cooking and abhyanga and counseling also was heartening, though not at all unexpected. > Dr. Mishra doesn't even go for ginger!!! which is hard to deal with! He has some dried and washed with lyme ginger with less heat...I have a hard time using it. Wow! what do you mean you have a hard time using it - just because it is foreign, or some other property. Lyme or lime? How? Sarita commented her last visit the idea that fresh ginger was sometimes hotter or sharper than dried. That is confusing to me, as I feel the sweet and juiciness of fresh ginger really helps many to use it. Maybe my bias/belief factor, and it would work either way. I do know many clients on " natural health and spiritual paths " for years are sometimes so unique in their reactions subtly or dramatically to things which for most work a certain way and well, I'm humbled being in the art of health carek by how much more there is to be able to understand. > He's all about neutralizing fermentation/acidity before opening channels and pulling out. Can you explain further? >I guess it makes more sense thinking about everyones lack of soma. > Anyhow...wow! How are you feeling about another move?? Is it to go spend some time with your mom, or other things also? It is difficult, and I'm taking a day off in Denver area with friends to rebuild a little immune strength for 3 more days drive and lots of changes. It is family duty I'm glad to be able to do. She needs someone there on duty 24/7 now, and her livein needs a long break (2 months at least). Mom scares many away with her strong personality and my experience with many mothers apparently helps, also being her daughter. Other skilled relative don't seem able to do all the needed care or can't take time away. My kids are all grown and I don't own a home. >I heard you are coming to NAMA, being at LOA table? I have decided not to attend full nama myself, I want to connect with folks, but I can't afford both nama and Dr. Mishra has a class in PA the following weekend. Yes, the Chicago location has really increased the price and I'm grateful Genevieve needed help there. I've published a couple articles with them and it will be a pleasure to represent their journal. Gives me access to a few of the sessions and a place to sleep on site too! WIll you attend Russel Paul's session on Saturday night? Sounds great, I've heard much about his work. I'll be in Chicago a couple extra days, staying in Evanston after - can we get together? Lots to catch up with...when are you moving? I hope some blessing come of the current transactions with your home. Lots of love, Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Good to hear from you Ysha!!! On Ginger, and xcess heat in general: hmmm...he dries and washes fresh ginger in a lime/lyme solution - NOT the fruit lime...the mineral (? I know, but don't know what lyme is exactly!), to remove its heat, not pungency. Its hard litrally, so I havn't conquered the methodology yet...grate it? let it soak, put in whole? I'll have to find out. I think people are becoming WAY more sensitive to heat than before, beyond what makes sense! Because of amavisha.....ama stays in the body and ferments and becomes burning. Acidity in air, water and bad food; too high electro-magnetic toxicity (getting worse every day...now high def tv becoming manditory)...destroys Soma in the body...the cooling, nurturing part of prana that is expressed and given in moonlight, nature, goes on to make Kapha in the body and the upper and lower ojas. People become hyper sensitive. Wear silk or wool shawl while working on the computer says Dr. Mishra!!! So, thats the acidity/heat/ that needs to be dealt with, before pulling out or the amavisha will burn and damage the srotas too....maybe not show up immediatly, but down the line. I want to come to NAMA at some point...I'm looking for any inside info or recommendations as to when...! I'm getting Russill Pauls things mailed to my address, I love his music, so that might be a good choice!!! I would LOVE to see you extra while you're here Ysha...I'll grab all the time you can spare!!! We definatly need to catch up!!! Much love, Nancy On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas wrote: > Hi Nancy - > > > I hope I didn't sound challenging in my posts...just adding some of > what Dr. Mishra says, > > Not at all. I love the exchange of fine points and very much honor > Dr. Mishra's work. And as mentioned, am aware of the controversies > around use of pippali here. I was not surprised, and very happy to > see her results come around, as I know her agni was quite out of > balance. Again, seeing her appetite come up after just one day's > cooking and abhyanga and counseling also was heartening, though not at > all unexpected. > > > Dr. Mishra doesn't even go for ginger!!! which is hard to deal with! > He has some dried and washed with lyme ginger with less heat...I have > a hard time using it. > Wow! what do you mean you have a hard time using it - just because it > is foreign, or some other property. Lyme or lime? How? > > Sarita commented her last visit the idea that fresh ginger was > sometimes hotter or sharper than dried. That is confusing to me, as I > feel the sweet and juiciness of fresh ginger really helps many to use > it. Maybe my bias/belief factor, and it would work either way. > > I do know many clients on " natural health and spiritual paths " for > years are sometimes so unique in their reactions subtly or > dramatically to things which for most work a certain way and well, I'm > humbled being in the art of health carek by how much more there is to > be able to understand. > > > He's all about neutralizing fermentation/acidity before opening > channels and pulling out. > > Can you explain further? > >I guess it makes more sense thinking about everyones lack of soma. > > > Anyhow...wow! How are you feeling about another move?? Is it to go > spend some time with your mom, or other things also? > > It is difficult, and I'm taking a day off in Denver area with friends > to rebuild a little immune strength for 3 more days drive and lots of > changes. It is family duty I'm glad to be able to do. She needs > someone there on duty 24/7 now, and her livein needs a long break (2 > months at least). Mom scares many away with her strong personality > and my experience with many mothers apparently helps, also being her > daughter. Other skilled relative don't seem able to do all the needed > care or can't take time away. My kids are all grown and I don't own a > home. > > >I heard you are coming to NAMA, being at LOA table? I have decided > not to attend full nama myself, I want to connect with folks, but I > can't afford both nama and Dr. Mishra has a class in PA the following > weekend. > > Yes, the Chicago location has really increased the price and I'm > grateful Genevieve needed help there. I've published a couple > articles with them and it will be a pleasure to represent their > journal. Gives me access to a few of the sessions and a place to > sleep on site too! WIll you attend Russel Paul's session on Saturday > night? Sounds great, I've heard much about his work. > > I'll be in Chicago a couple extra days, staying in Evanston after - > can we get together? Lots to catch up with...when are you moving? I > hope some blessing come of the current transactions with your home. > > Lots of love, > Ysha > > > -- LIFE IN BALANCE AYURVEDA www.AyurvedicBalance.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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