How do we know its an illusion? How do we get out?

[Guest guest]

We know our reality is an illusion because as the little boy tells

Neo in the Matrix: 'there is no spoon'. He could have continued:

" THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE REALITY, no sticks, no stones, no walls,no

sea, no mountains, no earth, no moon, no sun, no body - its all

Maya, an illusion, a collective thought projection "

 

This is fact. Experiment after experiment has shown that the

observer effects the experiment, or in other words, reality is a

reflection of the observer, it behaves as it is expected to by the

experimenter.

 

Do a search for David Bohm and Karl Pribram, who's work you

should read for cutting edge scientific evidence of this.

 

The experiment done by Alain Aspects group (for the Einstein-

Podolsky-Rosen EPR Paradox, based on the groundwork developed by

David Bohm and one of his enthusiastic supporters John Bell) in 1982

proved that at the nuts and bolts atomic level the world is not as

we understand it. In other words the world as we understand it is an

illusion, the reality is totally different and can not be explained

by the rules of Physics/mechanics and neither is it subject to them.

 

They showed that 2 particles, irrespective of the distance between

them, showed a connectivity or communication bewteen them. A change

in one particles angle of polarization had a corresponding change in

the other particle. This happend instantly (ie faster then light, if

the particles are a billion light years away, then it happens at a

billion times the speed of light!). They also showed that this is

the case between ANY of the infinite number particles.

 

Think about this for a while, see if you can grasp/explain how this

could possibly be happening (zillions of particles connected or

communication with zillions of others at every instance). String

theory or superstring theory do not explain it, particularly when

you consider that the damn, elusive particle only exists when its

being observed in the first place!

 

What does explain it is David Bohm's idea of the 'Implicate Order'

and 'Wholeness'. Reality is a dynamic hologram or holomovement. What

we see, or think we see (the Explicate), is a projected reality,

just like a movie projected on to the screen. Our attention is so

focussed on or in the screen that we believe the projection is real.

 

This applies to every frequency range (the parallel worlds that

people have talked about) and every dimension, 3D, 4D, 5D, nD.

They are all illusions, less dense then this one, but still

illusions.

 

In other words transcending 3D by moving to 4D would work in that

you will have overcome the limitations of 3D, but you will still be

in a 4D illusion. So you would be at the level of the 'Flyer' as

Castaneda called it, or 'the Reptilian' as Icke calls them, or 'the

Machines' as per the Matrix, therfore not so easily subject to their

manipulations. However, you will be subject to entities from 5D that

will be holding you prisoner by telling you some other mumbo jumbo.

 

They'll say something like:

You need to go back to 3D to overcome the Karma you acquired when

accidently killed someone, or were nasty to cats while good to dogs,

or ignored someone, or dumped so and so just when they needed you,

etc, etc. Therefore you need to go back experience what you dished

out to someone else, or to learn something.

 

If that doesen't work, they'll, the'll say something like:

" You need to go back to 3D to help others to teach them at this

critical time. "

 

Ask yourself this, what is it that the infinite needs to learn? As

the infinite is everything that is, why does the infinite need to

experience something it did to someone else, when that 'someone

else' is the same oneness?

 

So, how do we get out?

 

We need to understand and accept with the core (ie with every cell)

of our being that reality is an illusion. If we know that 'reality'

is an illusion then the illusion will not have any power over us.

 

To do this we need to undo or overwrite the programming or

conditioning that is holding us prisoner. There are 3 kinds or

levels:

 

1. DNA

This is inherited and includes the limited, imprisoned thought forms

of humanity, which has continued since this matrix (universe) began.

DNA is like thought forms that keeps us in chains. The DNA has

programs that produce the illusion of aging, the illusion of

sickness, and finally the illusion of death.

 

2. Our 'separated' Consiousness or Soul. We have died countless

times in 3D, moved to 4D or 5D, were told some religious mumbo jumbo

that we belived, then returned to 3D so that we can provide a food

source for the 'machines'.

 

3. The society/age that we live in.

This is the level of the illuminatie/matrix control. Religion,

science, everything we are taught from birth till death in 3D.

 

We need to replace this conditioning, this programming with the

knowledge of who we are - the infinite. Infinite wholeness, infinite

oneness, infinite love. The infinite is not subject to Karma or any

other laws unless it belives it is.

 

To know ourself we need to meditate or sit in silence and open our

heart. " We are not our bodies, we are not our minds, we are not even

our thoughts. We are the silence, the stillness between them. " as

David Icke puts it.

 

James

[Guest guest]

Dear James

I certainly enjoyed your comments on this particular thread topic

and hope you continue to post.

I think several great philosophers throughout history have said the

same thing as you.To me it is remarkable that those philospphers seem

to appear every thousand years or so.Jesus was one of the first

followed by two great Mohamadean philosophers,Avicenna and Averroes

(around 1000 AD),both of whom said pretty much what you did.

The one who preceeded your teachings though and says what you said

in a very few words was Mao.Mao said,

" If you can get 99% of the people thinking the same thing at the

same time,it will happen "

Such magical words from such a wonderful man.

Sir,in my way of thinking you deserve at least three wives.

In His name I remain, Dr John D. Son

How do we get out.More on that after I hear some responses.

, " James Khan "

<james.khan@m...> wrote:

> We know our reality is an illusion because as the little boy tells

> Neo in the Matrix: 'there is no spoon'. He could have continued:

> " THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE REALITY, no sticks, no stones, no walls,no

> sea, no mountains, no earth, no moon, no sun, no body - its all

> Maya, an illusion, a collective thought projection "

>

> This is fact. Experiment after experiment has shown that the

> observer effects the experiment, or in other words, reality is a

> reflection of the observer, it behaves as it is expected to by the

> experimenter.

>

> Do a search for David Bohm and Karl Pribram, who's work you

> should read for cutting edge scientific evidence of this.

>

> The experiment done by Alain Aspects group (for the Einstein-

> Podolsky-Rosen EPR Paradox, based on the groundwork developed by

> David Bohm and one of his enthusiastic supporters John Bell) in

1982

> proved that at the nuts and bolts atomic level the world is not as

> we understand it. In other words the world as we understand it is

an

> illusion, the reality is totally different and can not be explained

> by the rules of Physics/mechanics and neither is it subject to them.

>

> They showed that 2 particles, irrespective of the distance between

> them, showed a connectivity or communication bewteen them. A change

> in one particles angle of polarization had a corresponding change in

> the other particle. This happend instantly (ie faster then light,

if

> the particles are a billion light years away, then it happens at a

> billion times the speed of light!). They also showed that this is

> the case between ANY of the infinite number particles.

>

> Think about this for a while, see if you can grasp/explain how this

> could possibly be happening (zillions of particles connected or

> communication with zillions of others at every instance). String

> theory or superstring theory do not explain it, particularly when

> you consider that the damn, elusive particle only exists when its

> being observed in the first place!

>

> What does explain it is David Bohm's idea of the 'Implicate Order'

> and 'Wholeness'. Reality is a dynamic hologram or holomovement.

What

> we see, or think we see (the Explicate), is a projected reality,

> just like a movie projected on to the screen. Our attention is so

> focussed on or in the screen that we believe the projection is real.

>

> This applies to every frequency range (the parallel worlds that

> people have talked about) and every dimension, 3D, 4D, 5D, nD.

> They are all illusions, less dense then this one, but still

> illusions.

>

> In other words transcending 3D by moving to 4D would work in that

> you will have overcome the limitations of 3D, but you will still be

> in a 4D illusion. So you would be at the level of the 'Flyer' as

> Castaneda called it, or 'the Reptilian' as Icke calls them, or 'the

> Machines' as per the Matrix, therfore not so easily subject to

their

> manipulations. However, you will be subject to entities from 5D

that

> will be holding you prisoner by telling you some other mumbo jumbo.

>

> They'll say something like:

> You need to go back to 3D to overcome the Karma you acquired when

> accidently killed someone, or were nasty to cats while good to

dogs,

> or ignored someone, or dumped so and so just when they needed you,

> etc, etc. Therefore you need to go back experience what you dished

> out to someone else, or to learn something.

>

> If that doesen't work, they'll, the'll say something like:

> " You need to go back to 3D to help others to teach them at this

> critical time. "

>

> Ask yourself this, what is it that the infinite needs to learn? As

> the infinite is everything that is, why does the infinite need to

> experience something it did to someone else, when that 'someone

> else' is the same oneness?

>

> So, how do we get out?

>

> We need to understand and accept with the core (ie with every cell)

> of our being that reality is an illusion. If we know that 'reality'

> is an illusion then the illusion will not have any power over us.

>

> To do this we need to undo or overwrite the programming or

> conditioning that is holding us prisoner. There are 3 kinds or

> levels:

>

> 1. DNA

> This is inherited and includes the limited, imprisoned thought

forms

> of humanity, which has continued since this matrix (universe)

began.

> DNA is like thought forms that keeps us in chains. The DNA has

> programs that produce the illusion of aging, the illusion of

> sickness, and finally the illusion of death.

>

> 2. Our 'separated' Consiousness or Soul. We have died countless

> times in 3D, moved to 4D or 5D, were told some religious mumbo

jumbo

> that we belived, then returned to 3D so that we can provide a food

> source for the 'machines'.

>

> 3. The society/age that we live in.

> This is the level of the illuminatie/matrix control. Religion,

> science, everything we are taught from birth till death in 3D.

>

> We need to replace this conditioning, this programming with the

> knowledge of who we are - the infinite. Infinite wholeness,

infinite

> oneness, infinite love. The infinite is not subject to Karma or any

> other laws unless it belives it is.

>

> To know ourself we need to meditate or sit in silence and open our

> heart. " We are not our bodies, we are not our minds, we are not

even

> our thoughts. We are the silence, the stillness between them. " as

> David Icke puts it.

>

> James