Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 We're an HERBAL discussion group, NOT diet/discipline, so let's get back ON topic! NAH! I couldn't be a dictator! Okay, enough of being a wise ___, I,m back to the helpful, friendly courteous, guy that I was before! Steve ----------------------------- Hi Denise, What do you do with a child who won't mind? Send them to bootcamp? I agree, discipline is great if it works. Also agree, some parents are too lazy to follow through on theats and the child knows this. Recently we saw a family of 6 in a restaurant; children from 1 year and up to about 9 years old. They were extraordinary in that, the children were polite and quiet, not racing around endangering themselves and others. We just had to compliment them on their beautifully behaved children who were smiling at everyone. The parents were pleased anyone noticed (who wouldn't!); they said it took a lot of hard work but their children were worth it. My sister asked if they ever had to resort to corporal punishment? They replied, they had but didn't enjoy it and once their children knew this, they hadn't had to use it again. I noticed they paid attention to their children and were complimentary to them. Beautiful family. On the other hand, I know a divorced family who has extremes on both sides. The father is said to be violent to the point of hitting his son in his spleen (was reported but was an 'accident'), requiring a trip to the hospital, because the child didn't mind. The mother is known to never follow up on her threats of removing privileges or ever making the child mind at all. I feel both are doing this child a severe disservice but there is nothing I can do, other than ask how many times the mother is going to threaten without following through? The mother loves her children to the point of obsession but is she a good mother? She has read probably every well advertised book on child rearing, most of which are permissive/passive. I can look back and appreciate my parents giving me punishment when I needed it. I truly deserved it. Since we were poor, there was no allowance to withhold. However, I was allowed to work for money, which took up my spare time and energy. But, we were discussing ADHD and what would help a child with this problem. If there is anything available in herbs, the mother is willing to try them. This child is on ritalin when he stays with his father and nothing when he stays with his mother. In school, if the child doesn't take the ritalin, the teacher will call to ask if he has taken his medication? He seems to have mood swings, reminiscent of blood sugar problems in sensitive people. He does eat a lot of candy. Would perhaps cutting out sugar help this ADHD? Thank you, Jean Baugh ****************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 Hi Denise, What do you do with a child who won't mind? Send them to bootcamp? I agree, discipline is great if it works. Also agree, some parents are too lazy to follow through on theats and the child knows this. Recently we saw a family of 6 in a restaurant; children from 1 year and up to about 9 years old. They were extraordinary in that, the children were polite and quiet, not racing around endangering themselves and others. We just had to compliment them on their beautifully behaved children who were smiling at everyone. The parents were pleased anyone noticed (who wouldn't!); they said it took a lot of hard work but their children were worth it. My sister asked if they ever had to resort to corporal punishment? They replied, they had but didn't enjoy it and once their children knew this, they hadn't had to use it again. I noticed they paid attention to their children and were complimentary to them. Beautiful family. On the other hand, I know a divorced family who has extremes on both sides. The father is said to be violent to the point of hitting his son in his spleen (was reported but was an 'accident'), requiring a trip to the hospital, because the child didn't mind. The mother is known to never follow up on her threats of removing privileges or ever making the child mind at all. I feel both are doing this child a severe disservice but there is nothing I can do, other than ask how many times the mother is going to threaten without following through? The mother loves her children to the point of obsession but is she a good mother? She has read probably every well advertised book on child rearing, most of which are permissive/passive. I can look back and appreciate my parents giving me punishment when I needed it. I truly deserved it. Since we were poor, there was no allowance to withhold. However, I was allowed to work for money, which took up my spare time and energy. But, we were discussing ADHD and what would help a child with this problem. If there is anything available in herbs, the mother is willing to try them. This child is on ritalin when he stays with his father and nothing when he stays with his mother. In school, if the child doesn't take the ritalin, the teacher will call to ask if he has taken his medication? He seems to have mood swings, reminiscent of blood sugar problems in sensitive people. He does eat a lot of candy. Would perhaps cutting out sugar help this ADHD? Thank you, Jean Baugh ****************** > Punishment and discipline are not the same. Punishment does not teach; > discipline does. The idea is to teach your child by example and by the > consequences of their behaviour. I would never want a child to get the > message that it is okay to hit another person. Frequently, parents strike > out in anger which is a release for them and causes anger in the recipient > of the violence. I don't believe that " it hurts me more than it hurts you " > for a second. > There are numerous statements in the bible that should not be taken > literally. In addition, there are bibles that have been rewritten and > substantially changed; for example, " Peace to men of goodwill " has been > changed by some to " Peace to all men " . Not the same at all. > Perhaps there is a lack of understanding by some of what discipline > means. It does not mean getting away with something, quite the opposite. > In my experience, many parents are too lazy and just yell and smack their > children and then wonder why they can't do a thing with them. You would > think with several months of pregnancy that people would read a few > " manuals " to understand child development. > I'm sorry that you were hit and that you were made a participant. I > never had a hand laid on me. Not surprising how that has impacted our > beliefs :-) > Denise > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 I am late on this topic, sorry. I can tell you that cutting out sugar on ANY kid will make a big difference! (even adults, for that matter!) And also seeing if the kid has food or any other form of allergies, that can make the symptoms worse... Also, there are things meant for kids in herbal/natural forms for kids who are ADD and such. I know one is called FOCUS and the other I cannot remember right now... Could one of the parents take him to an ND for a full work-up? And you said his parents are divorced? Maybe he is just suffering from the going back and forth chaos? Kids thrive on consistency and structure (I know, because my own son behaves better with consistency and good diet!).... Sindeasindeahttp://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html Driving Washington nuts since 1991... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 Steve, Actually, Steve, though Jean was addressing this OT subject, please notice her last paragraph, which absolutely is on topic! Can anyone address that for her???? Valerie ------------------ --- Steve <bigbird3969 wrote: > We're an HERBAL discussion group, NOT > diet/discipline, so let's get back ON topic! ------------------- > But, we were discussing ADHD and what would help a > child with this problem. If there is anything > available in herbs, the mother is willing to try > them. This child is on ritalin when he stays with > his father and nothing when he stays with his > mother. In school, if the child doesn't take the > ritalin, the teacher will call to ask if he has > taken his medication? He seems to have mood swings, > reminiscent of blood sugar problems in sensitive > people. He does eat a lot of candy. Would perhaps > cutting out sugar help this ADHD? > > Thank you, > > Jean Baugh > ****************** > > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Messenger http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 Obviously I didn't read all my mail before answering this. I was just a little upset for Jean that she was balled out when it hadn't been noticed that the last paragraph of that same letter also included the very on-topic subject (which, in fact, her subject line indicated). This was ignored in the response to which I was referring. However, since Jean wrote another letter and separately addressed the ADHD issue, I see it has since been thoroughly addressed, so....hopefully all is well with the world once again. Valerie --- Valerie <rainbow_33434 wrote: > Steve, > > Actually, Steve, though Jean was addressing this OT > subject, please notice her last paragraph, which > absolutely is on topic! > > Can anyone address that for her???? > > Valerie > ------------------ > --- Steve <bigbird3969 wrote: > > We're an HERBAL discussion group, NOT > > diet/discipline, so let's get back ON topic! > ------------------- > > But, we were discussing ADHD and what would help a > > child with this problem. If there is anything > > available in herbs, the mother is willing to try > > them. This child is on ritalin when he stays with > > his father and nothing when he stays with his > > mother. In school, if the child doesn't take the > > ritalin, the teacher will call to ask if he has > > taken his medication? He seems to have mood > swings, > > reminiscent of blood sugar problems in sensitive > > people. He does eat a lot of candy. Would perhaps > > cutting out sugar help this ADHD? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Jean Baugh > > ****************** > > > > > > > > > > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant > messaging with Messenger > http://im. > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Messenger http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 I was being a smart ___, as it was brought out of me by the situation at the time, which hopefully has been rectified! Steve ----------------------------- Steve, Actually, Steve, though Jean was addressing this OT subject, please notice her last paragraph, which absolutely is on topic! Can anyone address that for her???? Valerie ------------------ --- Steve <bigbird3969 wrote: > We're an HERBAL discussion group, NOT > diet/discipline, so let's get back ON topic! ------------------- > But, we were discussing ADHD and what would help a > child with this problem. If there is anything > available in herbs, the mother is willing to try > them. This child is on ritalin when he stays with > his father and nothing when he stays with his > mother. In school, if the child doesn't take the > ritalin, the teacher will call to ask if he has > taken his medication? He seems to have mood swings, > reminiscent of blood sugar problems in sensitive > people. He does eat a lot of candy. Would perhaps > cutting out sugar help this ADHD? > > Thank you, > > Jean Baugh > ****************** > > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Messenger http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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