Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 In a message dated 4/26/02 2:07:48 PM Central Daylight Time, tv_is_a_drug writes: I've sort of hit a snag recently. Or at least I think so. I suppose it could be just a minor resurgence or a momentary relapse...or maybe not. The last few weeks have been pretty nasty. I haven't gone more than two days without an uncontrollable crying fit, and not more than half a day without getting mad to the point of screaming and throwing things. (You wouldn't know it, but usually I'm very hard to tick off...except when the D-word kicks in.) I find that little things--discovering that the store I wanted to visit is closing, being five minutes late, crap like that--are enough to flood me with dispair lately (melodramatic, I know, but that's how it feels). Sara, Have you changed your supplements or have you been eating anything different lately? I don't know your age but could it be a hormonal imbalance? ( I know I need to remember my wild yam when road rage kicks in-lol). I wish I could be more helpful. I would encourage you to give Doc a call. I know he can give you some good suggestions. You should be able to go through life feeling good for no reason instead of feeling bad for no reason. Good luck, Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 Hello Sara I am not as depressed as you are. But still...I get rid of it most of time with light therapy (violett for the depression and green to get rid of the stress in body). I was on anti-depressiva not long ago. Weaned of it with light therapy - and it was easy :-) Maybe light therapy would help you abit? Who knows? It sounds like you get too much stress, and that in itself can make you depressed. Well, I am that way... Just make yourself a cheap light therapy lamp at home. I got that tip from this list. A lamp, a light bulb of those daylight-type, and colour " filter " ? I couldnt find those they have at those photo shops, so I bought cellofan - green and violett. I lay on the couch and have this lamp with colour shining on my face. When I use the violett, I use to feel that my thoughts is " lighter " . Nice feeling. When I use green, I get so relaxed that I sleep a couple hours, lol Hope it helps you Hugs from Mar herbal remedies, tv_is_a_drug@b... wrote: > Hey yo. > > I didn't want to bring up the " D " word, I really didn't. For one thing, > I don't really buy it--at least not the way it's usually presented. I > mean, if they're right in that I have it, then it isn't anything at all > like the docs say it is. > > I'm talking about depression, of course. Now, this is a secret in > meatspace so don't go blabbing to all my homies about it...but I was > diagnosed clinically depressed at age eleven, then possibly bipolar at > age thirteen. By the time I was seventeen they gave up on diagnosis, > because (surprise!) their ScanTron tests weren't revealing the depths of > my personality; and they settled on " Early-onset abnormal depression " . > (It's always been a point of personal pride for me that the very folks > who specialize in categorizing abnormalities had to resort to calling > mine 'abnormal'.) > > I've seen many many shrinks. I was locked up briefly at the age of 14; > but hilariously enough the insurance company sprang me from the joint > after 2 weeks, due to inadequate diagnostic proof that I needed to be > there. I was prescribed Prozac at age 17 by a doctor who talked to me > for less than five minutes. By some lucky grace, the side-effects of > 'zac really disagreed with me, and pretty much as soon as I could (as > soon as I was 18), I got off them. Um...specifically, I threw them in my > therapist's toilet and told him I never wanted to see him again. (Which > I haven't, except that now he's treating my brother so I might have to.) > Anyway, getting off the drugs didn't make the problems go away; for a > long time I was (hehe...*was*, Sara?) very unstable and sometimes > suicidal. I would have really black spells several months in length, and > then a week or two of rabid high. Thank the gods I went to a liberal > arts college, where you can get away with acting like that and nobody > really bats an eyelid. > > I'm very proud of the fact that I've managed, with years of work and some > very tough introspection, to get my problem pretty darn under control, > without resorting to any of those nasty meds. I've been back to therapy > once or twice for a single session, just long enough to get a clinical > question or two answered usually; but really I've decided that the act of > making somebody cry for a half hour about what's bothering them and > charging them for it really isn't that helpful, at least to me. So no > more therapy. > > The D-word dies hard, tho. I think I've been doing slowly but steadily > better for the last few years, especially since I got married. (My > hubby, now *he* should be a therapist!) The black spells got shorter and > the manic phases less overwhelming over time; and the really serious > parts of the whole thing (the suicidalness, hallucinations and sleeping > problems) have pretty much disappeared altogether. > > There, I talked about it. And bleah, it tasted nasty. So let's get to > the point... > > I've sort of hit a snag recently. Or at least I think so. I suppose it > could be just a minor resurgence or a momentary relapse...or maybe not. > The last few weeks have been pretty nasty. I haven't gone more than two > days without an uncontrollable crying fit, and not more than half a day > without getting mad to the point of screaming and throwing things. (You > wouldn't know it, but usually I'm very hard to tick off...except when the > D-word kicks in.) I find that little things--discovering that the store > I wanted to visit is closing, being five minutes late, crap like > that--are enough to flood me with dispair lately (melodramatic, I know, > but that's how it feels). Also that one day-full of simple, everyday > stress will tear me apart; it seems almost unbearable and by about six > p.m. all I want is to go to sleep and not have to wake up for at least > several days. For oh, about a month now, maybe a little longer, I get up > in the morning and try really hard to be upbeat, and that carries me > (unsteadily) through the afternoon. But by eveningtime, I'm so frayed > and raw that the smallest thing--catching my bag on the door-handle, > rapping my knuckle, dropping a dish--almost incapacitates me. Of course, > the sheer ridiculous nature of this problem means that I haven't had a > peaceful evening yet; there's *always* something little like that, and if > you're going to fly off the handle every time one happens, you're going > to spend a lot of time flying off the handle. *heh* > > I'm sure most or all of you are familiar with the " depression is a > disease " line--what I call the DD theory--but if you're not, believe me, > it's true (except in cases of people who just like to whine; I hate to > admit it but they do exist). In most other areas I've been told I'm a > very strong-willed, get-shit-done kind of person; many people consider me > bossy or bombastic or just plain Type-A-workaholic. But when it comes to > this, it seems that nothing I try can stop it. I do Tai Chi and > breathing exercises; I do aerobics to help burn off the anger (you'd > *think* that would work, wouldn't you? It does...for about an hour); I > sip hot tea; I read uplifting literature and meditate. All that helps a > little, but not when the ball drops--when that fuse gets lit, it's like > I'm back to square one instantly. I've stopped listening to the news > (which only ticks me off) and gotten rid of my TV (I probably would have > thrown a rock through the thing sooner or later anyway). But I can't > wipe all the stress from my life...ahem...especially not with some of > what's been going on lately...and I feel like no matter how prepared I > try to be, every day something comes along and smacks my psyche in its > Achilles' Heel. > > Oh, I also take a multivitamin plus extra C & E daily and I eat *fairly* > well, and drink lots of water, so I don't think I have a deficiency...but > of course I could be wrong. Nutritional adjustments are welcome > suggestions if you think they might help...also I was told earlier in my > life that I had more testosterone than I should. (IMO though, that's an > easy judgement that a lazy doc might make about a tomboy, so it might be > bulldoody.) I was put on birth control briefly at age 16 because they > thought it'd balance me out, but actually it drove me stark raving > off-the-wall, so I quit it fast. I've read a lot about herbs and natural > remedies for depression, but I could never decide what might work for > me...and I guess, to be honest, I didn't really believe that medicine > could cure what I perceive as a personality problem. There, I *hope* I'm > wrong. > > I'm concerned about some of the things that have been recommended to me > because I am trying to get pregnant, so I don't want to take anything > contraindicated for pregnancy. Also, I'm horrible with dosages > (especially consistent ones), so I'd love to know *exactly how much and > when and for how long* I should take of anything you guys think might > help me. I'll write a big sticky-note and paste it to my forehead so I > don't forget. > > There. Well. This was all nice and embarrassing (plus, I'm sure, long > and boring), but to be honest you guys are the only people I trust with > this subject excepting my husband, and he doesn't know anything but the > " buckle down and get over it " method. (Note: The BDAGOI method, while > probably incomplete in cases of things like the D-word, has proven > massively helpful in a lot of areas. Admittedly, it's probably the only > reason I'm even functional most days.) And various situations have got > the amount of stress I'm under steadily increasing, so to be honest, > considering my recent slippages, I'm kinda worried. I'd really like to > get a handle on this thing--something that could help me get my feet > under me long enough to think rationally about it would be great-- before > it becomes a problem I can't deal with. > > Please note I'm not looking for sympathy here or a group hug--*lol*- -All > in all, I think I'm pretty comfortable with this whole thing; I've been > dealing with it for a long time, really. I hope I gave you all enough > information, but if I didn't, I'm not shy (obviously). If anybody has > any ideas that'd be vonderful. And sheesh, I'm *so* sorry about the > novel-length email. It seems to be my curse to do that to people (they > bitch about it at work, too). > > Anyways, danke and thrice danke! > ...Sara T. > > When you have nothing better to do, visit Bored.com at http://www.bored.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 Wow...I've never heard of that! I'll do some reading and see if it seems like it'd work for me...I wonder what it is that makes that work?? Thanks Mar -- ST On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:06:51 -0000 " walkyria9 " wrote: > Hello Sara > > I am not as depressed as you are. But still...I get rid of it most of > time with light therapy (violett for the depression and green to get > rid of the stress in body). I was on anti-depressiva not long ago. > Weaned of it with light therapy - and it was easy :-) > > Maybe light therapy would help you abit? Who knows? It sounds like > you get too much stress, and that in itself can make you depressed. > Well, I am that way... > > Just make yourself a cheap light therapy lamp at home. I got that tip > from this list. A lamp, a light bulb of those daylight-type, and > colour " filter " ? I couldnt find those they have at those photo shops, > so I bought cellofan - green and violett. I lay on the couch and have > this lamp with colour shining on my face. When I use the violett, I > use to feel that my thoughts is " lighter " . Nice feeling. When I use > green, I get so relaxed that I sleep a couple hours, lol > > Hope it helps you > > Hugs from Mar > > > > > herbal remedies, tv_is_a_drug@b... wrote: > > Hey yo. > > > > I didn't want to bring up the " D " word, I really didn't. For one > thing, > > I don't really buy it--at least not the way it's usually > presented. I > > mean, if they're right in that I have it, then it isn't anything at > all > > like the docs say it is. > > > > I'm talking about depression, of course. Now, this is a secret in > > meatspace so don't go blabbing to all my homies about it...but I was > > diagnosed clinically depressed at age eleven, then possibly bipolar > at > > age thirteen. By the time I was seventeen they gave up on > diagnosis, > > because (surprise!) their ScanTron tests weren't revealing the > depths of > > my personality; and they settled on " Early-onset abnormal > depression " . > > (It's always been a point of personal pride for me that the very > folks > > who specialize in categorizing abnormalities had to resort to > calling > > mine 'abnormal'.) > > > > I've seen many many shrinks. I was locked up briefly at the age of > 14; > > but hilariously enough the insurance company sprang me from the > joint > > after 2 weeks, due to inadequate diagnostic proof that I needed to > be > > there. I was prescribed Prozac at age 17 by a doctor who talked to > me > > for less than five minutes. By some lucky grace, the side-effects > of > > 'zac really disagreed with me, and pretty much as soon as I could > (as > > soon as I was 18), I got off them. Um...specifically, I threw them > in my > > therapist's toilet and told him I never wanted to see him again. > (Which > > I haven't, except that now he's treating my brother so I might have > to.) > > Anyway, getting off the drugs didn't make the problems go away; for > a > > long time I was (hehe...*was*, Sara?) very unstable and sometimes > > suicidal. I would have really black spells several months in > length, and > > then a week or two of rabid high. Thank the gods I went to a > liberal > > arts college, where you can get away with acting like that and > nobody > > really bats an eyelid. > > > > I'm very proud of the fact that I've managed, with years of work > and some > > very tough introspection, to get my problem pretty darn under > control, > > without resorting to any of those nasty meds. I've been back to > therapy > > once or twice for a single session, just long enough to get a > clinical > > question or two answered usually; but really I've decided that the > act of > > making somebody cry for a half hour about what's bothering them and > > charging them for it really isn't that helpful, at least to me. So > no > > more therapy. > > > > The D-word dies hard, tho. I think I've been doing slowly but > steadily > > better for the last few years, especially since I got married. (My > > hubby, now *he* should be a therapist!) The black spells got > shorter and > > the manic phases less overwhelming over time; and the really serious > > parts of the whole thing (the suicidalness, hallucinations and > sleeping > > problems) have pretty much disappeared altogether. > > > > There, I talked about it. And bleah, it tasted nasty. So let's > get to > > the point... > > > > I've sort of hit a snag recently. Or at least I think so. I > suppose it > > could be just a minor resurgence or a momentary relapse...or maybe > not. > > The last few weeks have been pretty nasty. I haven't gone more > than two > > days without an uncontrollable crying fit, and not more than half a > day > > without getting mad to the point of screaming and throwing things. > (You > > wouldn't know it, but usually I'm very hard to tick off...except > when the > > D-word kicks in.) I find that little things--discovering that the > store > > I wanted to visit is closing, being five minutes late, crap like > > that--are enough to flood me with dispair lately (melodramatic, I > know, > > but that's how it feels). Also that one day-full of simple, > everyday > > stress will tear me apart; it seems almost unbearable and by about > six > > p.m. all I want is to go to sleep and not have to wake up for at > least > > several days. For oh, about a month now, maybe a little longer, I > get up > > in the morning and try really hard to be upbeat, and that carries me > > (unsteadily) through the afternoon. But by eveningtime, I'm so > frayed > > and raw that the smallest thing--catching my bag on the door-handle, > > rapping my knuckle, dropping a dish--almost incapacitates me. Of > course, > > the sheer ridiculous nature of this problem means that I haven't > had a > > peaceful evening yet; there's *always* something little like that, > and if > > you're going to fly off the handle every time one happens, you're > going > > to spend a lot of time flying off the handle. *heh* > > > > I'm sure most or all of you are familiar with the " depression is a > > disease " line--what I call the DD theory--but if you're not, > believe me, > > it's true (except in cases of people who just like to whine; I hate > to > > admit it but they do exist). In most other areas I've been told > I'm a > > very strong-willed, get-shit-done kind of person; many people > consider me > > bossy or bombastic or just plain Type-A-workaholic. But when it > comes to > > this, it seems that nothing I try can stop it. I do Tai Chi and > > breathing exercises; I do aerobics to help burn off the anger (you'd > > *think* that would work, wouldn't you? It does...for about an > hour); I > > sip hot tea; I read uplifting literature and meditate. All that > helps a > > little, but not when the ball drops--when that fuse gets lit, it's > like > > I'm back to square one instantly. I've stopped listening to the > news > > (which only ticks me off) and gotten rid of my TV (I probably would > have > > thrown a rock through the thing sooner or later anyway). But I > can't > > wipe all the stress from my life...ahem...especially not with some > of > > what's been going on lately...and I feel like no matter how > prepared I > > try to be, every day something comes along and smacks my psyche in > its > > Achilles' Heel. > > > > Oh, I also take a multivitamin plus extra C & E daily and I eat > *fairly* > > well, and drink lots of water, so I don't think I have a > deficiency...but > > of course I could be wrong. Nutritional adjustments are welcome > > suggestions if you think they might help...also I was told earlier > in my > > life that I had more testosterone than I should. (IMO though, > that's an > > easy judgement that a lazy doc might make about a tomboy, so it > might be > > bulldoody.) I was put on birth control briefly at age 16 because > they > > thought it'd balance me out, but actually it drove me stark raving > > off-the-wall, so I quit it fast. I've read a lot about herbs and > natural > > remedies for depression, but I could never decide what might work > for > > me...and I guess, to be honest, I didn't really believe that > medicine > > could cure what I perceive as a personality problem. There, I > *hope* I'm > > wrong. > > > > I'm concerned about some of the things that have been recommended > to me > > because I am trying to get pregnant, so I don't want to take > anything > > contraindicated for pregnancy. Also, I'm horrible with dosages > > (especially consistent ones), so I'd love to know *exactly how much > and > > when and for how long* I should take of anything you guys think > might > > help me. I'll write a big sticky-note and paste it to my forehead > so I > > don't forget. > > > > There. Well. This was all nice and embarrassing (plus, I'm sure, > long > > and boring), but to be honest you guys are the only people I trust > with > > this subject excepting my husband, and he doesn't know anything but > the > > " buckle down and get over it " method. (Note: The BDAGOI method, > while > > probably incomplete in cases of things like the D-word, has proven > > massively helpful in a lot of areas. Admittedly, it's probably the > only > > reason I'm even functional most days.) And various situations have > got > > the amount of stress I'm under steadily increasing, so to be honest, > > considering my recent slippages, I'm kinda worried. I'd really > like to > > get a handle on this thing--something that could help me get my feet > > under me long enough to think rationally about it would be great-- > before > > it becomes a problem I can't deal with. > > > > Please note I'm not looking for sympathy here or a group hug--*lol*- > -All > > in all, I think I'm pretty comfortable with this whole thing; I've > been > > dealing with it for a long time, really. I hope I gave you all > enough > > information, but if I didn't, I'm not shy (obviously). If anybody > has > > any ideas that'd be vonderful. And sheesh, I'm *so* sorry about the > > novel-length email. It seems to be my curse to do that to people > (they > > bitch about it at work, too). > > > > Anyways, danke and thrice danke! > > ...Sara T. > > > > When you have nothing better to do, visit Bored.com at > http://www.bored.com > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician > and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as > long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any > person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products > from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 Thanks much, Ann. I haven't made any drastic changes to my diet or anything lately, no. I agree that it might be a hormonal imbalance I guess--I'm 24, and I had an ovary removed last August; could that make a difference? Anyway, Thanks a lot for the suggestions! --ST > > Sara, > Have you changed your supplements or have you been eating anything > different > lately? I don't know your age but could it be a hormonal imbalance? > ( I know > I need to remember my wild yam when road rage kicks in-lol). > > I wish I could be more helpful. I would encourage you to give Doc a > call. I > know he can give you some good suggestions. > > You should be able to go through life feeling good for no reason > instead of > feeling bad for no reason. > > Good luck, > Ann When you have nothing better to do, visit Bored.com at http://www.bored.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 Sara, I think the light therapy linked with some things like Adapton not really sure what it is but helped me when I was depressed after my wife's death. http://www.lef.org is where I buy this. I do not take it now, but I would suspect that site which has lots medical info and studies which you might find useful I do not have any relationship to this site other than as a member and customer, but I have found it to be very honest and informative. Zip The Dragonmaster Heaven on Earth dragonmasterzip He who rules truly serves and she who serves truly rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Hey Zip: Thanks as always for the info. I'm glad to hear this Adapton was helpful to you; and the site seems to substantiate its effectiveness in cases of high stress and fatigue. They say that loss of a spouse is the single most stressful thing that can happen to anyone; and I believe it! I just wanted to let you know that your being so openly courageous about facing that loss has really bolstered my own courage when it comes to fun things like my family; so thank you. As for Adapton, I read the product info (here: http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00285.html) and while I'm sure it probably works, it's not exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for. If I wanted to be stable as long as I was taking a pill, I could do that with Prozac (tho admittedly probably not as comfortably!) -- What I'm looking for is something to help Sara cope on her own, not something to temporarily cope for her. So I'm staying away from " this pill will fix you as long as you take it " sorts of things--but thanks for the lead! --ST On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:47:26 -0400 Zip wrote: > Sara, > > I think the light therapy linked with some things like Adapton not really > sure what it is but helped me when I was depressed after my wife's death. > > http://www.lef.org > > is where I buy this. I do not take it now, but I would suspect that site > which has lots medical info and studies which you might find useful > > I do not have any relationship to this site other than as a member and > customer, but I have found it to be very honest and informative. > > Zip > > The Dragonmaster > Heaven on Earth > > dragonmasterzip > > He who rules truly serves and she who serves truly rules. > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician > and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as > long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any > person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products > from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 > > As for Adapton, I read the product info (here: > ><http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00285.html)>http://www.lef.org/newshop/ >items/item00285.html) and while I'm sure it > probably works, it's not exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for. If I > wanted to be stable as long as I was taking a pill, I could do that with > Prozac (tho admittedly probably not as comfortably!) -- What I'm looking > for is something to help Sara cope on her own, not something to > temporarily cope for her. So I'm staying away from " this pill will fix > you as long as you take it " sorts of things--but thanks for the lead! My impression of Adapton is it is not in any way a sort of Prozac stay on it sort of fix but somehting which helps to correct some chemical imbalance. I would say try it and see what happenes. I also think you might want to look a bit more deeply in that site and find some of the brain chemicals like Choline et al. I think 90% of depression is chemistry based with some stressful situations added on top, dysfunctional family etc. When the chemistry changes, and some behaviors are modified THEN, " normal " life can progress. I also found some very good result with Hydergine which is a drug made by Sandoz. It was originally made to treat Alzheimers and Senile Dementia, but had only moderate effect. People who are into Smart Drugs (advanced brain chemistry), starte4d experiemtning with these things. I suffer occassionally from severe depression. I used to here full blown symphonies in my head as a child and was frustrated I could not write them down and had a bit of craziness from this. So in any event Hydergine when I take it creates a very creative brain storm and any depression I was feeling is gone. But I do not really know what sort of depression we are dealing with here and would actually need to be face to face before I would want to get to m uch farther out on this limb I am dancing on. Zip The Dragonmaster Heaven on Earth dragonmasterzip He who rules truly serves and she who serves truly rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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