Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 Not to speak for Doc -- nobody could -- but i have my own objections to psychiatry and psychology, some of it gleaned from terrible personal experiences, some from research, and some from interviews with many people who have encountered these phenomena. There is so much material, it's hard to know where to start. One point to consider is that both disciplines are rabidly anti-religious. Sure, there are religious psychs, but they are a distinct minority, and i know from interviews that most of those are constantly and mercilessly harrassed by their professional associations. Of the two, psychiatrists are the worse. That's because the methods they rely on are frankly brutal. The methods mainly consist of drugs, electroshock (condemned by the Geneva Convention), and primitive brain surgery. Most of the drugs that psychiatrists prescribe are extremely damaging to the body, and in most cases they work for only a short time before side effects become unbearable. Incidentally, one of the side effects of several psychiatric medications is extreme sensitivity to various flavors. On further investigation, you will find that most of the trouble spots in the world are infested with psychiatrists and psychologists. They have claimed that their methods are essential to improving education and reducing crime rates. However, consistently since 1963, in every location where they are employed, crime rates go up and the quality of education goes down. This is statistically proven. What's even worse is that terrorism is often driven by these people. Did you know that the #2 man, who formulates most of the policy in Al-Qaida, is a psychiatrist? Also, the leaders of Serbia and Serbian Bosnia in the early 90s were psychiatrists and their students. At this time i am personally investigating the role of psychiatry among the Palestinian suicide bombers. I don't want to sound like i'm picking on them. After all, the basic idea of psychiatry, that a doctor will give a full medical exam to someone with mental problems, so that various factors can be ruled out if necessary, is great. Unfortunately, it has become the custom of most psychiatrists to never give a physical exam. Instead, we are told that there are problems with " brain chemistry " . However, in many of these statements on that subject, you will find absolutely chilling lies. Our scientists do not at this time understand very much at all about " brain chemistry " . There are many reasons for this, which in themselves would fill several books. As for psychologists, since they are not generally pushing drugs (at least not legally), they tend to be a little more humane in their activities. Still, there is that anti-religious bias, which can be quite harmful to many patients, and there are problems with consistency in the field. Psychology is far from meeting the criteria for a true science. In fact, the best way to characterize it is as a collection of about 400+ personality cults spread throughout the world. Most schools of psychology are named after their earliest proponents. I could go on for way too long on this subject. Let's cut it off here. Pick up books by Bruce Wiseman, Anne Blake Tracy, or Peter Breggin to get more information. There are also many web sites with large amounts of information on this subject, and i can give a collection of references privately to those who need it. At 11:58 PM 4/25/02, you wrote: > > >Hi Group, > I just joined up a short while ago and have mostly just been reading >and taking in what other people are talking about to get a feel for the room. > I didnt have time to read all that was posted so am just doing some >catching up now. > Doc, I think its great that your offer your time, availability and >wisdom to those on the list. (Very generous of you ) Just curious >about your post re: >psychiatry and psychology, as to why this is your belief? Dont get me wrong, >I am in no way a big fan myself, but as I said I'm just curious. I have >known some people who claim they have benefited from it. ( I know I am >getting off the focus of the group a bit here ) sorry. > Anyway, as for herbal issues, does anyone here have a problem with >MASSIVELY excessive sensitvity to even the most simple basic herbs. I barely >can even drink one cup of peppermint tea ( not to mention many others ) with >out feeling " odd " ( for lack of better word. ) it's really begining to make >me crazy. any thoughts? >I'd be greatful to hear if anyone has any ideas. > > Thanks Dahlia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 06:16:25 -0700 Michael Riversong wrote: > Not to speak for Doc -- nobody could -- but i have my own objections to > psychiatry and psychology, some of it gleaned from terrible personal > experiences, some from research, and some from interviews with many people > who have encountered these phenomena. Here, here. I agree with that and in fact can offer evidence that might even take it step farther (not that you don't feel this way, Michael, but I sense that you're not as loud-mouthed as Sara). My own story is in the D-word post, and that gives an idea of how wonderfully helpful the " psycho " s were to me. (I've seen a total of seventeen of them, for the record.) Add to that my brother, who spent 8 torturous years on Ritalin and is now taking heavy doses of something called Geodon *rather than getting actual treatment* for a psychotic condition that's getting more embedded evey day. The Geodon helps control the severity of the hallucinations, so they figure they'll just keep him on it as long as possible, and then maybe switch to Xanax (for life!) and hope that controlling his ability to feel stress will also control his (by now, full-blown) mental illness. (I could end this situation, for those of you who are curious, by signing to have my brother forceably committed. He has a very bad phobia of hospitals and ambulances, and my parents don't want him 'labelled' as having a mental problem for life. So my doing this would probably incur the lifelong wrath of my parents and maybe my brother, too. I'd probably do it anyway, but I don't know myself that being hauled off to the bin against his will would really help him--for one thing, it's the same idiots running that place, doing awful things and handing out drugs!) My dad? Works about 20 hours a day, has frequent panic attacks and pops Xanax right alongside the Tagamet to keep him going. I'd talk to him about it, but when do you think I see him? Uh-huh. We communicate by voice mail, or used to. My mom was prescribed Prozac within two months of my being born (I'm the eldest). That was for the 'post-partum' depression. But she's been on it ever since; can't go a day without it and, I'm pretty sure, takes a bit more than she should sometimes. Sometimes you go over there and she's just a live wire, like somebody's hooked her brain to a car battery. It's scary. My parents both have medical backgrounds--my mom's been an RN for thirty years, and my dad was an anesthetist and a professor in medicine for some time. This means you can't tell them anything about medicine, of course, because they already " know " it. Because they trusted those people, the people with Degrees In It (holy words in my household), my whole family is on the verge of collapse, and my brother may never recover. Sure, some of this is bad luck, some of it bad planning or bad decision-making and definitely bad communicating on the part of my family. But enough of it is because of those slimy rat shrinks that you can bet your life I blame them for it. Thanks to them, we're all falling apart and it's me, with No Degrees At All, who's the only one who might be able to talk some sense into them--and even if I can, it won't reverse the damage that's already been done. Because I love paradoxes: My best friend in the world, the maid of honor at my wedding, gets her first degree (from Harvard!) next month: in psychology. Thankfully, she disagrees with pretty much all of the standing assumptions and current practices of psychology, and I know she's helped phone-counsel me through some really tough times (um...like lately! *lol*). So she rescued my opinion of that school of thought in a sense--it's saveable; proper councling and psychological diagnosis probably can help in some circumstances. I've just never in my whole life seen it done right by someone who was making money at it. My Sincere $00.02, Sara When you have nothing better to do, visit Bored.com at http://www.bored.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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