Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Zyban was also responsible for deaths - is Wellbutrin going to do the same. They ban something like kava kava that is totally safe is used correctly and put something totally addictive and not totally safe out there for drs to prescribe as and when they wish - what a corrupt world we live in. Marianne > I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing. I got to " all antidepressants > are SSRIs. . . " . Evidently this is no longer true. I am interested in > bupropion, brand name Wellbutrin. They claim this is not an SSRI. It is > addictive, I can tell you that. I tried to research it, and I got mostly > info about the benefits of it for people who are quitting smoking. It is > called Zyban when it is used for tobacco addiction. Of course, we know that > people have quit smoking for decades [at least] without meds. But now, look > out, it's almost impossible to quit without Zyban! But I am interested in > the use of Wellbutrin, an antidepressant, for attention disorders. > Psychiatrists claim that the drug treats those disorders, but I can find > only info that says it's the drug of choice for treating depression in > people with attention disorders. It is being prescribed for people with ADD > or ADHD, who are not depressed, just to treat the attention disorder. And > it is causing addiction in the process. I am disgusted. Thanks for > listening, Beth. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 This type of information is being seen a little in both conservative and liberal media, but not in major media outlets. This was written in Nov. 2001. http://www.georgiaeagle.org/index.php?where=insight & ID=14 Georgia insight Sue Ella Deadwyler 4168 Rue Antoinette Stone Mountain, Georgia 30083 “She hath done what she could.” Mark 14:8a ______________________________\ ______________________________\ _______ What do anti-depressants do to your brain?A Book Review Prozac: Panacea or Pandora? Updated 2001 Edition Author: Ann Blake Tracy1, PhD Dangerous drugs called “serotonergic agents” are also known as Specific Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) because they throw the metabolism of serotonin out of whack. They increase the level of serotonin in the brain but decrease the process by which the body uses it. What is serotonin? Serotonin is an essential chemical produced by the body. Where is it found? It’s in the blood and gastric mucous membranes of all mammals. What does it do? It helps regulate mood and mental health. Consider this: Adequate serotonin is an essential chemical for good mental health. Elevated levels of serotonin have been found in persons with psychosis or schizophrenia, mood disorders, organic brain disease, mental retardation, autism and Alzheimer’s disease. Low levels of serotonin metabolism are found in others with depression, anxiety, suicide, violence, arson, substance abuse, insomnia, violent nightmares, impulsive behavior, reckless driving, exhibitionism, hostility, argumentative behavior, etc. Adequate is, obviously, the preferred level of serotonin and no medication is needed. Elevated levels of serotonin might indicate a need to lower the level, but SSRIs aren’t the answer. SSRIs further elevate serotonin levels and restrict its use in the brain. Low levels of serotonin might indicate a need to raise the level, but SSRIs aren’t the answer to that either. Again, at the same time SSRIs elevate serotonin levels, they also interfere with its metabolism. Both elevated levels and low levels of serotonin are worsened when SSRIs are ingested. All anti-depressants are SSRIs but Prozac is best known. Dr. Tracy states that many other drugs should be simply numbered Prozac #2, Prozac #3, Prozac #4, etc., because they have the same effects. A short list2 of Prozac act-alikes are Sarafem, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Effexor, Ritalin (and other amphetamines), Serzone, Celexa, Fen-Phen, Redux, Merida, LSD, PCP and Ecstasy. The SSRI Dextromethorphan is found in most over-the-counter cough and cold medications and Wellbutrin (Zyban) is recommended to smokers who want to quit. They’re not approved for minors, but the Prozac family of drugs taken by pre-schoolers has increased alarmingly. Between 1995 and 1999, the rate of children under six using Ritalin increased 23 percent. Other Prozac family drugs increased in children under six by an unbelievable 580 percent. Astounding, since such drugs have not been approved for anyone under 18 years old. Not only that, Ritalin and Prozac are being prescribed together for at least 30 percent of the children taking SSRI antidepressants. Dr. Tracy illustrated the critical problem of SSRIs in factual reports of individuals involved in serotonergic-induced incidents. Medications involved are indicated by parentheses. Pages two and three of this newsletter recounts some of the SSRI-related tragedies that have occurred since her first book was published in September 1991. ______________________________\ __________________________ 1 Dr. Ann Blake Tracy with a degree in psychology and an emphasis in the biological and forensic areas, has worked as an investigative reporter, served as Director of the Coalition for a Drug Free Utah, headed the Utah Prozac Survivor’s Support Group, testified before the FDA and congressional subcommittee members and testifies as an expert witness in Prozac-related cases. 2 Other SSRIs identified by generic names: Amitriptyline, Clomipramine, Desipramine, Doxepin, Imipramine, Nortriptyline, Protriptyline, Fluvoxamine, Fluoxetine, Paroxetine, Sertraline, Trazodone, Citalopram, Isocarboxazid, Phenelzine, Selegiline, Tranylcypromine. SSRI Amphetamines: Ritalin, Cocaine, Fenfluramine, Reserpine, Redux, Meridia, Buspirone, Sumatriptan, Lithium, Electro Convulsive Treatment (ECT), Dextromethorphan, Meperidine, Venlafaxine, Nefazodone, Zyprexa, Rispiral, Remeron. Dr. Tracy credited Kirk Mills, M.D., American Family Physician, as partial source. November 2001 Prozac sales are estimated at $8 million daily. Its manufacturer pays untold amounts to quietly settle complaints of suicide-related deaths of its users. Tragedies attributed to People on Mind-Altering SSRI Drugs (Drugs involved in the following incidents are indicated by parentheses.) School Shootings Eric Harris (Luvox) participated in the school shooting in Littleton, Colorado. Legal action is pending. Kip Kinkle (Prozac/Ritalin withdrawal) Springfield, OR, killed his parents, then went to school and killed two classmates. Jason Hoffman (Effexor/Celexa) was involved in the school shooting in El Cajon, California. Elizabeth Bush (Paxil), a 13-year-old, was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania. Before taking the drug, she was very religious citing Mother Theresa as one of her main heroes. She described her recent loss of spiritual feelings after taking Paxil for only a few months. Cory Baadesgaard (Paxil/Effexor), Matawa, WA school shooting Stand-off at school in Pocatello, ID in 1998 by a boy (Zoloft) having a Zoloft-induced seizure Chris Shanahan (Paxil), 15-year-old in Rigby, ID, out of the blue, killed a woman. Other Incidents Involving Youngsters Chris Fetters (Prozac), a 13-year-old in Iowa killed her favorite aunt. Matt Miller, 13, in Overland Park, KS hung himself in his bedroom closet after only 6 days on Zoloft. Winatchee, WA, 43 people were wrongfully imprisoned under false accusations in a sexual abuse “witch hunt” started by a child taking Prozac and Paxil. It cost the state of WA millions for wrongful imprisonment. Seth Privacky (Wellbutrin), 18-year-old from Dalton Township, MI, shot his grandfather, parents, brother and brother’s girlfriend while celebrating Thanksgiving. Jarred Viktor (Paxil), 15-year-old, Escondido, CA, stabbed his grandmother 61 times. He took Paxil five days. Jeff Franklin (Prozac/Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work. He used a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister. Tragedies by Adults Mr. & Mrs. Phil Hartman (Zoloft), a wrongful death court case was filed but settled by the Zoloft manufacturer. Sergi Babarin’s (SSRI withdrawal) Salt Lake Family History Library shooting left three dead. Matthew Beck (Luvox), Connecticut lottery shooting left five dead in a murder/suicide. Edward Leary (Prozac) was involved in the New York City Subway bombing. Nick Mansies (Paxil), New Jersey, was convicted of killing a little boy who was selling cookies door-to-door. Dana Sue Gray (Paxil), Orange County, CA, described as a very caring nurse, killed several elderly people. Officer Stephen Christian (Prozac), one of Dallas Police force’s finest, ran into a police substation shooting at fellow officers and was killed. A wrongful death case was settled by makers of Prozac. David Rothman (Prozac) killed two co-workers and himself at the Department of Agriculture in Ingelwood, CA. Legal action is pending. Williams Evans (Zoloft) shot a co-worker at Columbus, Ohio Bureau of Employment Services, then himself. Marilyn Lemak (Zoloft) of Naperville, IL killed her three children. Christopher Vasquez (Zoloft) butchered Michael McMorrow in Central Park. Megan Hogg (Prozac) killed her three little girls by duct-taping their mouths and noses before taking a handful of pills in a suicide attempt. Vera Espinoza (Prozac), Randolph, VT, shot her small son and daughter, then herself. Legal action is pending. Mr. Cunningham (Prozac), an elderly man in Layton, UT, axed his wife and daughter to death. Margaret Kastanis (Prozac), West Jordan, UT, killed her three children with a knife and hammer, then stabbed herself to death. Georgia Insight 2 November 2001 More Tragedies attributed to Adults on Mind-Altering Drugs Larramie Huntzinger (Zoloft) ran his car into three young girls, killing two in Salt Lake City, UT. Amarillo, TX, young man (Prozac/Ritalin/another antidepressant) burned down a church and pastor’s home. Mary Hinkelman (Prozac), a nurse in Baroda, MI, shot her two small daughters and her sister before shooting herself. Legal action is pending. Lisa Fox (Prozac), Brighton, MI, shot her small son and her dog before shooting herself. Dr. Debra Green (Prozac), Kansas City, MO, set her home on fire, killing her children. Lauri Dann (Anafranil), Chicago, IL, shot seven children in an elementary school classroom, killing one. Donald Schell (Paxil), Gillette, WY, shot his wife, daughter and baby grand-daughter, then himself after taking Paxil two days. In June 2001 Paxil manufacturer was found guilty of this murder/suicide and ordered to pay $6.4 million. Gloria B. (Prozac), Pleasant Grove, UT, killed her sleeping 17-year-old son with a sledge-hammer before she attempted suicide by drinking a chemical manufactured to unstop drains. Larry Buttz (Prozac), Ames, IA, superintendent of schools, shot his wife, son and daughter, then himself. Adrea Yates (Effexor/Remeron-Effexor), Houston, TX, drowned her five small children in the bathtub. She had been prescribed the drugs at one and a half times the maximum dose. Other Famous Cases Princess Diana (Prozac) and Dodi Fayed died in the car crash driven by their driver Henri Paul (Prozac). Monica Lewinsky (Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor, Serzone and Phen-Fen) Chris Farley (Prozac) had a Prozac-induced heart attack. Jim McDougal (Prozac), Clinton’s ex-partner, died of a Prozac-induced heart attack after his dosage was increased to 60 mg in prison. Mrs. Randall Tobias (Prozac), whose husband was CEO of Eli Lilly that manufactures Prozac, committed suicide while she was taking Prozac. The Center for Drug Evaluation and Research Adverse Reaction Report (ADR) on SSRI drugs on June 18, 1992 revealed that, during the seven year period between 1985 and 1992, there were 1,313 Prozac-related deaths compared to 861 deaths from all other SSRIs drugs combined. It further compared the effects of Prozac and five other specific SSRI drugs. There were 23,067 adverse reaction reports on Prozac, while the five other drugs combined had only 9,844 total complaints of bad effects. Consider some of the effects of Prozac compared to Deseryl, Elavil, Tofanil, Ludiomil and Sinequan below: Prozac Others Combined Deaths 1,313 578 Anxiety 734 111 Hostility 634 39 Insomnia 870 183 Depression 762 93 Psychotic Depression 780 31 Convulsions 579 597 Nervousness 756 133 Tremor 499 221 Gag Orders Protect Drug Manufacturers Dr. Tracy reports, “This is only a handful of MANY, MANY more cases. At this point the number of cases is so great that there would not be room for anything else if I continued to list them. Many cases have been settled with ‘gag orders’ placed on the families. This keeps bad press at bay so as not to give the drugs a soiled reputation thus continuing the popularity of the drugs. And the silence keeps others from filing cases due to the ignorance of the fact that a success in a wrongful death suit is possible.” Georgia Insight 3 November 2001 Will Governor Barnes introduce this in the 2002 Legislative Session? Model State Emergency Health Powers Act (MSEHPA) Governors get Draft of MEHPA Legislation to Push State-by-State The Internet has article after article on the latest effort to enact more control over American citizens, citing the possibility of contagion through germ-laden bio-terrorist attacks. Since the model bill would have to be enacted by the states, all 50 governors were sent copies of the 40- to 50-page legislation in early November. MSEHPA was created under pressure from Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. Lawyers, governors and public health professors at Georgetown and Johns Hopkins universities in Washington and Baltimore collaborated to draft the bill, but its chief author is Lawrence Gostin, professor and director at the Center for Law and the Public’s Health at Georgetown and Johns Hopkins universities in Washington. Professor Gostin said the question of quarantines “is probably the biggest issue because it involves liberty of individuals in the public.” He further said that officials could take control of hospitals or stadiums to house quarantined people. Because of its threats to freedoms, it’s surprising that the thought-to-be-conservative Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson, former governor of Wisconsin, is pushing the bill. As MSEHPA is currently written, states could gain extensive new powers to control. Appointed agency and department heads and other government employees would control the population after the emergency is declared. National Guard units could be mobilized to enforce the law. When asked whether a National Guardsman could shoot a grandmother trying to evade quarantine, Professor Gostin said, “Maybe, you have to use all reasonable force.” He added that reasonable force includes lethal force. People could be forced to submit to examinations, medications and quarantine. Public health officials could shut down essential services, roads and airports and commandeer private property as holding sites for quarantined people. Such broad quarantine authority has never been enacted in the United States. Drugs and other medical supplies could be rationed and a governor’s declaration of a public health emergency would be all that’s necessary to initiate and authorize enforcement of the provisions. Conditions that trigger a declaration of emergency are not specifically defined. Paramedics, EMS personnel and emergency health workers would be awarded civil immunity while the state would have the authority “to use and appropriate property as necessary for the care, treatment and housing of patients and for the destruction of contaminated materials.” The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) says problems of the legislation include the following: · Governors would have broader authority to declare a state of emergency during an occurrence or imminent threat of an illness or health condition caused by a bio-terrorism epidemic or biological toxins. · Public health officials, among others, would have broad and unfettered access to personal health information without patient consent. · Pharmacists and physicians would be required to report “unusual” health patterns, including personal information about persons exhibiting unusual health patterns. · Public health officials would be granted broad quarantine powers and could require medical examinations or vaccinations. Those who refuse could be charged with a misdemeanor. · Public health officials could seize and control personal property and access communications. · They could require rationing, set quotas or fix prices. · Governors would have exclusive power over the expenditure of funds appropriated for emergencies. · States would have to develop a comprehensive plan to coordinate attack response. The possible stripping of individual and family rights and liberties is troubling, especially, since the bill is actually unnecessary. States already have natural disaster statutes for handling emergencies. ACTION – Ask your state senator and representative to get a copy of this legislation and study it for possible losses of individual freedoms. Ask them to propose and support amendments to protect personal liberties and neutralize the absolute powers granted the governor and appointees in government agencies and departments. 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing. I got to " all antidepressants are SSRIs. . . " . Evidently this is no longer true. I am interested in bupropion, brand name Wellbutrin. They claim this is not an SSRI. It is addictive, I can tell you that. I tried to research it, and I got mostly info about the benefits of it for people who are quitting smoking. It is called Zyban when it is used for tobacco addiction. Of course, we know that people have quit smoking for decades [at least] without meds. But now, look out, it's almost impossible to quit without Zyban! But I am interested in the use of Wellbutrin, an antidepressant, for attention disorders. Psychiatrists claim that the drug treats those disorders, but I can find only info that says it's the drug of choice for treating depression in people with attention disorders. It is being prescribed for people with ADD or ADHD, who are not depressed, just to treat the attention disorder. And it is causing addiction in the process. I am disgusted. Thanks for listening, Beth. Frank <califpacific wrote: This type of information is being seen a little in both conservative and liberal media, but not in major media outlets. This was written in Nov. 2001. http://www.georgiaeagle.org/index.php?where=insight & ID=14 Georgia insight Sue Ella Deadwyler 4168 Rue Antoinette Stone Mountain, Georgia 30083 “She hath done what she could.” Mark 14:8a ______________________________\ ______________________________\ _______ What do anti-depressants do to your brain?A Book Review Prozac: Panacea or Pandora? Updated 2001 Edition Author: Ann Blake Tracy1, PhD Dangerous drugs called “serotonergic agents” are also known as Specific Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) because they throw the metabolism of serotonin out of whack. They increase the level of serotonin in the brain but decrease the process by which the body uses it. What is serotonin? Serotonin is an essential chemical produced by the body. Where is it found? It’s in the blood and gastric mucous membranes of all mammals. What does it do? It helps regulate mood and mental health. Consider this: Adequate serotonin is an essential chemical for good mental health. Elevated levels of serotonin have been found in persons with psychosis or schizophrenia, mood disorders, organic brain disease, mental retardation, autism and Alzheimer’s disease. Low levels of serotonin metabolism are found in others with depression, anxiety, suicide, violence, arson, substance abuse, insomnia, violent nightmares, impulsive behavior, reckless driving, exhibitionism, hostility, argumentative behavior, etc. Adequate is, obviously, the preferred level of serotonin and no medication is needed. Elevated levels of serotonin might indicate a need to lower the level, but SSRIs aren’t the answer. SSRIs further elevate serotonin levels and restrict its use in the brain. Low levels of serotonin might indicate a need to raise the level, but SSRIs aren’t the answer to that either. Again, at the same time SSRIs elevate serotonin levels, they also interfere with its metabolism. Both elevated levels and low levels of serotonin are worsened when SSRIs are ingested. All anti-depressants are SSRIs but Prozac is best known. Dr. Tracy states that many other drugs should be simply numbered Prozac #2, Prozac #3, Prozac #4, etc., because they have the same effects. A short list2 of Prozac act-alikes are Sarafem, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Effexor, Ritalin (and other amphetamines), Serzone, Celexa, Fen-Phen, Redux, Merida, LSD, PCP and Ecstasy. The SSRI Dextromethorphan is found in most over-the-counter cough and cold medications and Wellbutrin (Zyban) is recommended to smokers who want to quit. They’re not approved for minors, but the Prozac family of drugs taken by pre- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Either way it is a killer and should not be given out to anyone. Marianne > Hi Marianne, > > They renamed Wellbutrin to Zyban when they decided to market it for > smoking cessation. > > As the maker of Prozac also renamed it to Serafem when they marketed > it for PMS. > > Just marketing ploys, they are the same drugs just different names. > > Frank > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Dear BethM, Technically, I believe Wellbutrin is a tricylic type anti depressant. It also does increase the serotonin level. Why Ann Tracy called it an SSRI, I am not sure. I suspect it is more to the end result of the chemical altering the seratonin levels than a matter of semantics in pharmacuetical classification. She also listed LSD, Amphetamines and others. Or maybe the newspaper writer misquoted her. I suspect that Ann Tracy knows the differences very well. If you want to do research on antidepressants, I suggest that you do a search on past messages of the group at this page. Gettingwell/messages There are probably hundreds of relevent messages. Also go to the links page and search through the links on SSRIs and check out anything concerning psychotropic drugs or mental illness. Here is the address. Gettingwell/links I think the point is that they not only cause addiction, but changes in the brain, some severe. Some possibly long term or in some cases even permanent. The degree of change might be severe as some of those noted, but just because someone didn't have an extreme alteration, doesn't mean it doesn't make most people who take them a little " off " to one degree or another even though the person taking them ( or even the people around them) might not be aware of it. If you really want to learn about them, why not go back and try and read the whole article as well as the sources that I have mentioned above. Not every word may be taken as complete, but I think that overall you will get a better understanding of the whole field of psychotropic medications. A lot of the research in this area has been done by well qualified people and most of the writings and books are very well footnoted with scientific references. regards, Frank Gettingwell , BethM <bethlaine_m> wrote: > > > > I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing. I got to " all antidepressants are SSRIs. . . " . Evidently this is no longer true. I am interested in bupropion, brand name Wellbutrin. They claim this is not an SSRI. It is addictive, I can tell you that. I tried to research it, and I got mostly info about the benefits of it for people who are quitting smoking. It is called Zyban when it is used for tobacco addiction. Of course, we know that people have quit smoking for decades [at least] without meds. But now, look out, it's almost impossible to quit without Zyban! But I am interested in the use of Wellbutrin, an antidepressant, for attention disorders. Psychiatrists claim that the drug treats those disorders, but I can find only info that says it's the drug of choice for treating depression in people with attention disorders. It is being prescribed for people with ADD or ADHD, who are not depressed, just to treat the attention disorder. And it is causing addiction in the process. I am disgusted. Thanks for listening, Beth. > Frank <califpacific> wrote: > This type of information is being seen a little in both conservative and liberal media, but not in major media outlets. This was written in Nov. 2001. > > http://www.georgiaeagle.org/index.php?where=insight & ID=14 > Georgia > insight > Sue Ella Deadwyler 4168 Rue Antoinette > Stone Mountain, Georgia 30083 > > > > " She hath done what she could. " > > Mark 14:8a > > > > > ____________________ ____________________ ___________________________ > > > What do anti-depressants do to your brain?A Book Review > Prozac: Panacea or Pandora? Updated 2001 Edition > > Author: Ann Blake Tracy1, PhD > > Dangerous drugs called " serotonergic agents " are also known as Specific Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) because they throw the metabolism of serotonin out of whack. They increase the level of serotonin in the brain but decrease the process by which the body uses it. > > > > What is serotonin? Serotonin is an essential chemical produced by the body. > > Where is it found? It's in the blood and gastric mucous membranes of all mammals. > > What does it do? It helps regulate mood and mental health. > > Consider this: > > Adequate serotonin is an essential chemical for good mental health. > > Elevated levels of serotonin have been found in persons with psychosis or schizophrenia, mood disorders, organic brain disease, mental retardation, autism and Alzheimer's disease. > > Low levels of serotonin metabolism are found in others with depression, anxiety, suicide, violence, arson, substance abuse, insomnia, violent nightmares, impulsive behavior, reckless driving, exhibitionism, hostility, argumentative behavior, etc. > > > > Adequate is, obviously, the preferred level of serotonin and no medication is needed. > > Elevated levels of serotonin might indicate a need to lower the level, but SSRIs aren't the answer. SSRIs further elevate serotonin levels and restrict its use in the brain. > > Low levels of serotonin might indicate a need to raise the level, but SSRIs aren't the answer to that either. Again, at the same time SSRIs elevate serotonin levels, they also interfere with its metabolism. Both elevated levels and low levels of serotonin are worsened when SSRIs are ingested. > > > All anti-depressants are SSRIs but Prozac is best known. Dr. Tracy states that many other drugs should be simply numbered Prozac #2, Prozac #3, Prozac #4, etc., because they have the same effects. A short list2 of Prozac act-alikes are Sarafem, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Effexor, Ritalin (and other amphetamines), Serzone, Celexa, Fen-Phen, Redux, Merida, LSD, PCP and Ecstasy. The SSRI Dextromethorphan is found in most over-the-counter cough and cold medications and Wellbutrin (Zyban) is recommended to smokers who want to quit. > > > They're not approved for minors, but the Prozac family of drugs taken by pre- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Hi Marianne, They renamed Wellbutrin to Zyban when they decided to market it for smoking cessation. As the maker of Prozac also renamed it to Serafem when they marketed it for PMS. Just marketing ploys, they are the same drugs just different names. Frank Gettingwell , marianne2406@a... wrote: > Zyban was also responsible for deaths - is Wellbutrin going to do the same. > They ban something like kava kava that is totally safe is used correctly and > put something totally addictive and not totally safe out there for drs to > prescribe as and when they wish - what a corrupt world we live in. > > Marianne > > > > I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing. I got to " all antidepressants > > are SSRIs. . . " . Evidently this is no longer true. I am interested in > > bupropion, brand name Wellbutrin. They claim this is not an SSRI. It is > > addictive, I can tell you that. I tried to research it, and I got mostly > > info about the benefits of it for people who are quitting smoking. It is > > called Zyban when it is used for tobacco addiction. Of course, we know that > > people have quit smoking for decades [at least] without meds. But now, look > > out, it's almost impossible to quit without Zyban! But I am interested in > > the use of Wellbutrin, an antidepressant, for attention disorders. > > Psychiatrists claim that the drug treats those disorders, but I can find > > only info that says it's the drug of choice for treating depression in > > people with attention disorders. It is being prescribed for people with ADD > > or ADHD, who are not depressed, just to treat the attention disorder. And > > it is causing addiction in the process. I am disgusted. Thanks for > > listening, Beth. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Got any links on the addictive nature of Wellbutrin? I passed your info on to someone who is taking Wellbutrin & he is looking for more info on its addictive potential. Alobar - " BethM " <bethlaine_m Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:14 AM Re: What do anti-depressants do to your brain? I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing. I got to " all antidepressants are SSRIs. . . " . Evidently this is no longer true. I am interested in bupropion, brand name Wellbutrin. They claim this is not an SSRI. It is addictive, I can tell you that. I tried to research it, and I got mostly info about the benefits of it for people who are quitting smoking. It is called Zyban when it is used for tobacco addiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 - " Alobar " <alobar Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:22 PM Re: What do anti-depressants do to your brain? > Got any links on the addictive nature of Wellbutrin? I > passed your info on to someone who is taking Wellbutrin & he is > looking for more info on its addictive potential. > > Alobar > I am off from work tonight so I am answering my own question. I did some web research after one person asked for more info on the addictive nature of wellbutrin, and another person strongly disagreed with the addiction statement. I found enough to satisfy me that there are indeed addiction problems with wellbutrin. http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/side-effects.htm lists a whole slew of side effects. Next is an anecdotal account (URL at end of paragraph) I have taken Wellbutrin for one year- after switching to it from Effexor. I now feel that I do not need to take the drug anymore---however, I am having a hard time coming off it. I have tapered very slowly, am taking vitamin supplements, Immunocal and still have-itchy skin, nerve firings all over my body, joint and muscle pain, as well as anxiety (which I have never gotten.) I can handle the emotional difficulties, but these physical symptoms are hard to cope with. There is really NO info out there about what to expect and how long for this particular drug. An added frustration is the belief of my MD that this " shouldn't happen. " Any advice? I am taking 1/4 of a 150 mg pill for the last two weeks. I don't know if I should stop altogether now, or wait for these symptoms to go away before I take another step. Has anyone stopped and gotten back to normal? Thanks! http://www.dispace.com/message_boards/drugs/WellbutrinSR/_disc35/0000 16b6.htm And some Q- & -A from another webpage: Q: Is there Wellbutrin withdrawal? A: Yes. The severity and length of symptoms vary with the amount of damage done to the normal reward system through Wellbutrin use. The most common symptoms are: drug craving, extreme irritability, loss of energy, depression, fearfulness, excessive drowsiness or difficulty in sleeping, shaking, nausea, palpitations, sweating, hyperventilation, and increased appetite. Q: Is Wellbutrin addiction difficult to treat? A: Several treatment providers describe Wellbutrin abusers as " the hardest to treat " of all drug users. They are often overly excitable and " extremely resistant to any form of intervention once the acute effects of Wellbutrin use have gone away. " Wellbutrin addicts get over the acute effects of withdrawal fairly quickly. However, the " wall " period lasts 6-8 months for casual users and 2-3 years for regular users. (Some people never recover and remain unsatisfied with life due to permanent brain damage.) This is a period of prolonged abstinence during which the brain recovers from the changes resulting from Wellbutrin use. During this period, recovering addicts feel depressed, fuzzyheaded, and think life isn't as pleasurable without the drug. Because prolonged use causes changes in the brain, willpower alone will not cure Wellbutrin addicts. http://www.schizoaffective.org/articles/meth.htm Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Dear Alobar, Yes. there is a lot of anecdotal evidence from the people who have had problems with these type medications. The medical establishment has tried to sweep all of this information under the rug in the past. Failing to do that, they then try to blame the victum by words like addict, drug seeking behavior, craving, drug abuser, etc. Almost all of this is total BS. Almost all of the victums of this type addiction didn't have a clue to what they were getting into. The standard information from the medical establishment is that these drugs are not addictive. They have said that about almost every addictive drug put on the market in the last hundred years and when the story no longer holds up, they then demonize the patient as an " addict " who is to blame. The trouble is that the drugs get more altered from a natural substance and usually are more toxic. In fact up to a couple of months ago, paxil was still being touted in TV commercials as " not addictive " , until some consumer groups filed suit against them for doing so. The average patient is pushed into taking these meds by doctors who know very little about them. Then when there is problems, they know even less about the problems involved and how to get these people off them safely. These people do not exhibit drug craving or drug seeking behaviour in the classical sense. It is more of an unvoluntary chemical dependence, which they are not even aware of. In most cases they patient is told that it is not the drugs causing the problems and that it is the patients " underlying " problems and ergo... needs more drugs. This can start a downward spiral into mental illness and drug induced more mental illness. And then more drugs and more, etc.....Convenient huh? When these people have problems what they are experiencing is pain avoidance, not drug seeking behavior. The severe withdrawal period from a drug like heroin can usually be overcome in a matter of days and full detox can be accomplished in a month or so, but with benzodiazapines or some of the antidepressants the severe withdrawal peiod can last a year or more and for some, the effects of extended withdrawal can last for years and in a few may be permanent. Nice meds huh? And then they say that these meds are safe and non addictive. Although not everyone is affected in this way, anyone who takes them is playing with dynamite. regards, Frank Gettingwell , " Alobar " <alobar@b...> wrote: > > - > " Alobar " <alobar@b...> > > Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:22 PM > Re: What do anti-depressants do to your brain? > > > > Got any links on the addictive nature of Wellbutrin? I > > passed your info on to someone who is taking Wellbutrin & he is > > looking for more info on its addictive potential. > > > > Alobar > > > > I am off from work tonight so I am answering my own question. > I did some web research after one person asked for more info on the > addictive nature of wellbutrin, and another person strongly disagreed > with the addiction statement. I found enough to satisfy me that > there are indeed addiction problems with wellbutrin. > > http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/side-effects.htm lists a > whole slew of side effects. > > Next is an anecdotal account (URL at end of paragraph) > > I have taken Wellbutrin for one year- after switching to it from > Effexor. I now feel that I do not need to take the drug > anymore---however, I am having a hard time coming off it. I have > tapered very slowly, am taking vitamin supplements, Immunocal and > still have-itchy skin, nerve firings all over my body, joint and > muscle pain, as well as anxiety (which I have never gotten.) I can > handle the emotional difficulties, but these physical symptoms are > hard to cope with. There is really NO info out there about what to > expect and how long for this particular drug. An added frustration is > the belief of my MD that this " shouldn't happen. " Any advice? I am > taking 1/4 of a 150 mg pill for the last two weeks. I don't know if I > should stop altogether now, or wait for these symptoms to go away > before I take another step. Has anyone stopped and gotten back to > normal? Thanks! > http://www.dispace.com/message_boards/drugs/WellbutrinSR/_disc35/0000 > 16b6.htm > > > And some Q- & -A from another webpage: > > Q: Is there Wellbutrin withdrawal? > > A: Yes. The severity and length of symptoms vary with the amount of > damage done to the normal reward system through Wellbutrin use. The > most common symptoms are: drug craving, extreme irritability, loss of > energy, depression, fearfulness, excessive drowsiness or difficulty > in sleeping, shaking, nausea, palpitations, sweating, > hyperventilation, and increased appetite. > > Q: Is Wellbutrin addiction difficult to treat? > > A: Several treatment providers describe Wellbutrin abusers as " the > hardest to treat " of all drug users. They are often overly excitable > and " extremely resistant to any form of intervention once the acute > effects of Wellbutrin use have gone away. " Wellbutrin addicts get > over the acute effects of withdrawal fairly quickly. However, the > " wall " period lasts 6-8 months for casual users and 2-3 years for > regular users. (Some people never recover and remain unsatisfied with > life due to permanent brain damage.) This is a period of prolonged > abstinence during which the brain recovers from the changes resulting > from Wellbutrin use. During this period, recovering addicts feel > depressed, fuzzyheaded, and think life isn't as pleasurable without > the drug. Because prolonged use causes changes in the brain, > willpower alone will not cure Wellbutrin addicts. > > http://www.schizoaffective.org/articles/meth.htm > > > Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Will pass that on, Frank. Thanks. Alobar - <califpacific Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:35 PM Re: What do anti-depressants do to your brain? > Dear Alobar, > > Yes. there is a lot of anecdotal evidence from the people who have > had problems with these type medications. > > The medical establishment has tried to sweep all of this information > under the rug in the past. > > Failing to do that, they then try to blame the victum by words like > addict, drug seeking behavior, craving, drug abuser, etc. > > Almost all of this is total BS. > > Almost all of the victums of this type addiction didn't have a clue > to what they were getting into. > > The standard information from the medical establishment is that these > drugs are not addictive. They have said that about almost every > addictive drug put on the market in the last hundred years and when > the story no longer holds up, they then demonize the patient as > an " addict " who is to blame. The trouble is that the drugs get more > altered from a natural substance and usually are more toxic. > > In fact up to a couple of months ago, paxil was still being touted in > TV commercials as " not addictive " , until some consumer groups filed > suit against them for doing so. > > The average patient is pushed into taking these meds by doctors who > know very little about them. Then when there is problems, they know > even less about the problems involved and how to get these people off > them safely. > > These people do not exhibit drug craving or drug seeking behaviour in > the classical sense. It is more of an unvoluntary chemical > dependence, which they are not even aware of. In most cases they > patient is told that it is not the drugs causing the problems and > that it is the patients " underlying " problems and ergo... needs more > drugs. This can start a downward spiral into mental illness and drug > induced more mental illness. And then more drugs and more, > etc.....Convenient huh? > > When these people have problems what they are experiencing is pain > avoidance, not drug seeking behavior. > > The severe withdrawal period from a drug like heroin can usually be > overcome in a matter of days and full detox can be accomplished in a > month or so, but with benzodiazapines or some of the antidepressants > the severe withdrawal peiod can last a year or more and for some, the > effects of extended withdrawal can last for years and in a few may be > permanent. > > Nice meds huh? And then they say that these meds are safe and non > addictive. > > Although not everyone is affected in this way, anyone who takes them > is playing with dynamite. > > regards, > > Frank > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 I don't have links, but if you go to med sites that give prescription drug info, you'll read that people who have been taking it for months, shouldn't quit taking Wellbutrin without a doctor's help. Then, I have a friend who tried to quit taking it and experienced some pretty miserable withdrawal symptoms for about a month. Just recently, in fact just the day before yesterday, he was put back on it. He says he is feeling a lot better. I am afraid to say anything else about it to him. ugh. Alobar <alobar wrote:Got any links on the addictive nature of Wellbutrin? I passed your info on to someone who is taking Wellbutrin & he is looking for more info on its addictive potential. Alobar - " BethM " To: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:14 AM Re: What do anti-depressants do to your brain? I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing. I got to " all antidepressants are SSRIs. . . " . Evidently this is no longer true. I am interested in bupropion, brand name Wellbutrin. They claim this is not an SSRI. It is addictive, I can tell you that. I tried to research it, and I got mostly info about the benefits of it for people who are quitting smoking. It is called Zyban when it is used for tobacco addiction. Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. list or archives: Gettingwell ........ Gettingwell- post............. Gettingwell digest form...... Gettingwell-digest individual emails Gettingwell-normal no email......... Gettingwell-nomail moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner ...... Gettingwell- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 This may be somewhat interesting. I'm the person with the friend who was just prescribed Wellbutrin. He had just gotten himself over the withdrawal sypmtoms from it when it was prescribed again. Meanwhile, he has a history of alcohol abuse, and he heard about Drink Wise and decided to try drinking again after 23 years abstinence. He promptly ran into various kinds of trouble. I checked online and found that the drug info says not to drink alcohol when you are taking Wellbutrin or maybe it was Zyban. . .same thing. I thought this would deter him from using one substance or the other, or with any luck, both. Anyway, he told his " therapist " this, and do you know what she told him? You won't believe this! She told him that she takes Wellbutrin and she drinks alcohol.She was fully aware of the trouble he has gotten into since he started to drink again. I can't imagine what her objective in telling him this was, can you? Can you believe it??? Not only that, but I can't imagine why they would prescribe a drug like Wellbutrin, which is one of those that gets abused and is addictive, to someone with a history of substance abuse problems. I'm incredulous! Thanks for listening, Beth Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 I think the answer to your question of WHY is simple - $$$$ (££££) signs. Marianne > This may be somewhat interesting. I'm the person with the friend who was > just prescribed Wellbutrin. He had just gotten himself over the withdrawal > sypmtoms from it when it was prescribed again. Meanwhile, he has a history > of alcohol abuse, and he heard about Drink Wise and decided to try drinking > again after 23 years abstinence. He promptly ran into various kinds of > trouble. I checked online and found that the drug info says not to drink > alcohol when you are taking Wellbutrin or maybe it was Zyban. . .same > thing. I thought this would deter him from using one substance or the > other, or with any luck, both. Anyway, he told his " therapist " this, and do > you know what she told him? You won't believe this! She told him that she > takes Wellbutrin and she drinks alcohol.She was fully aware of the trouble > he has gotten into since he started to drink again. I can't imagine what > her objective in telling him this was, can you? Can you believe it??? Not > only that, but I can't imagine why they would prescribe a drug like > Wellbutrin, which is one of those that gets abused and is addictive, to > someone with a history of substance abuse problems. I'm incredulous! Thanks > for listening, Beth > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 I agreed right to the last sentence Alobar, I don't think they do anything humanely in the pharm companies - they only do anything for profit. If they did anything humanely, then they would research these drugs far more than they do so that they would know how bad so many are for us. Marianne > I think on one level, you are right, Marianne, but I think it > may be more complex than that. At the very least, it appears we have > one addict pushing a drug on someone else. Then there is the > mistaken belief that all of life's problems & imbalances can be & > should be medicated away -- which is based in the medical hubris that > *anyone* knows enough to tamper with imbalances thru medication. > Plus the lies the medical people are taught to believe in school that > the pharm companies actually have patients' well-beings upmost in > mind, when, in fact, the pharm companies are willing t use lies, > duplicity, and lawyers to maximize their profits, foist drugs on as > many people as possible, and keep patients as medicated as humanely > possible. > > Alobar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 --some one I know also does this- I wish i could help..he should give up one or the other first, and I think it shud be zyban!! Bollin - In Gettingwell , marianne2406@a... wrote: > I think the answer to your question of WHY is simple - $$$$ (££££) signs. > > Marianne > > > > This may be somewhat interesting. I'm the person with the friend who was > > just prescribed Wellbutrin. He had just gotten himself over the withdrawal > > sypmtoms from it when it was prescribed again. Meanwhile, he has a history > > of alcohol abuse, and he heard about Drink Wise and decided to try drinking > > again after 23 years abstinence. He promptly ran into various kinds of > > trouble. I checked online and found that the drug info says not to drink > > alcohol when you are taking Wellbutrin or maybe it was Zyban. . .same > > thing. I thought this would deter him from using one substance or the > > other, or with any luck, both. Anyway, he told his " therapist " this, and do > > you know what she told him? You won't believe this! She told him that she > > takes Wellbutrin and she drinks alcohol.She was fully aware of the trouble > > he has gotten into since he started to drink again. I can't imagine what > > her objective in telling him this was, can you? Can you believe it??? Not > > only that, but I can't imagine why they would prescribe a drug like > > Wellbutrin, which is one of those that gets abused and is addictive, to > > someone with a history of substance abuse problems. I'm incredulous! Thanks > > for listening, Beth > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 I think on one level, you are right, Marianne, but I think it may be more complex than that. At the very least, it appears we have one addict pushing a drug on someone else. Then there is the mistaken belief that all of life's problems & imbalances can be & should be medicated away -- which is based in the medical hubris that *anyone* knows enough to tamper with imbalances thru medication. Plus the lies the medical people are taught to believe in school that the pharm companies actually have patients' well-beings upmost in mind, when, in fact, the pharm companies are willing t use lies, duplicity, and lawyers to maximize their profits, foist drugs on as many people as possible, and keep patients as medicated as humanely possible. Alobar - <marianne2406 Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:20 AM Re: Re: What do anti-depressants do to your brain? I think the answer to your question of WHY is simple - $$$$ (££££) signs. Marianne > This may be somewhat interesting. I'm the person with the friend who was > just prescribed Wellbutrin. He had just gotten himself over the withdrawal > sypmtoms from it when it was prescribed again. Meanwhile, he has a history > of alcohol abuse, and he heard about Drink Wise and decided to try drinking > again after 23 years abstinence. He promptly ran into various kinds of > trouble. I checked online and found that the drug info says not to drink > alcohol when you are taking Wellbutrin or maybe it was Zyban. . ..same > thing. I thought this would deter him from using one substance or the > other, or with any luck, both. Anyway, he told his " therapist " this, and do > you know what she told him? You won't believe this! She told him that she > takes Wellbutrin and she drinks alcohol.She was fully aware of the trouble > he has gotten into since he started to drink again. I can't imagine what > her objective in telling him this was, can you? Can you believe it??? Not > only that, but I can't imagine why they would prescribe a drug like > Wellbutrin, which is one of those that gets abused and is addictive, to > someone with a history of substance abuse problems. I'm incredulous! Thanks > for listening, Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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