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Zyban was also responsible for deaths - is Wellbutrin going to do the same.

They ban something like kava kava that is totally safe is used correctly and

put something totally addictive and not totally safe out there for drs to

prescribe as and when they wish - what a corrupt world we live in.

 

Marianne

 

 

> I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing. I got to " all antidepressants

> are SSRIs. . . " . Evidently this is no longer true. I am interested in

> bupropion, brand name Wellbutrin. They claim this is not an SSRI. It is

> addictive, I can tell you that. I tried to research it, and I got mostly

> info about the benefits of it for people who are quitting smoking. It is

> called Zyban when it is used for tobacco addiction. Of course, we know that

> people have quit smoking for decades [at least] without meds. But now, look

> out, it's almost impossible to quit without Zyban! But I am interested in

> the use of Wellbutrin, an antidepressant, for attention disorders.

> Psychiatrists claim that the drug treats those disorders, but I can find

> only info that says it's the drug of choice for treating depression in

> people with attention disorders. It is being prescribed for people with ADD

> or ADHD, who are not depressed, just to treat the attention disorder. And

> it is causing addiction in the process. I am disgusted. Thanks for

> listening, Beth.

>

 

 

 

 

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This type of information is being seen a little in both conservative and liberal

media, but not in major media outlets. This was written in Nov. 2001.

 

http://www.georgiaeagle.org/index.php?where=insight & ID=14

Georgia

insight

Sue Ella Deadwyler 4168 Rue Antoinette

Stone Mountain, Georgia 30083

 

 

 

“She hath done what she could.”

 

Mark 14:8a

 

 

 

 

______________________________\

______________________________\

_______

 

 

What do anti-depressants do to your brain?A Book Review

Prozac: Panacea or Pandora? Updated 2001 Edition

 

Author: Ann Blake Tracy1, PhD

 

Dangerous drugs called “serotonergic agents” are also known as Specific

Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) because they throw the metabolism of

serotonin out of whack. They increase the level of serotonin in the brain but

decrease the process by which the body uses it.

 

 

 

What is serotonin? Serotonin is an essential chemical produced by the body.

 

Where is it found? It’s in the blood and gastric mucous membranes of all

mammals.

 

What does it do? It helps regulate mood and mental health.

 

Consider this:

 

Adequate serotonin is an essential chemical for good mental health.

 

Elevated levels of serotonin have been found in persons with psychosis or

schizophrenia, mood disorders, organic brain disease, mental retardation, autism

and Alzheimer’s disease.

 

Low levels of serotonin metabolism are found in others with depression, anxiety,

suicide, violence, arson, substance abuse, insomnia, violent nightmares,

impulsive behavior, reckless driving, exhibitionism, hostility, argumentative

behavior, etc.

 

 

 

Adequate is, obviously, the preferred level of serotonin and no medication is

needed.

 

Elevated levels of serotonin might indicate a need to lower the level, but SSRIs

aren’t the answer. SSRIs further elevate serotonin levels and restrict its use

in the brain.

 

Low levels of serotonin might indicate a need to raise the level, but SSRIs

aren’t the answer to that either. Again, at the same time SSRIs elevate

serotonin levels, they also interfere with its metabolism. Both elevated levels

and low levels of serotonin are worsened when SSRIs are ingested.

 

 

All anti-depressants are SSRIs but Prozac is best known. Dr. Tracy states that

many other drugs should be simply numbered Prozac #2, Prozac #3, Prozac #4,

etc., because they have the same effects. A short list2 of Prozac act-alikes

are Sarafem, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Effexor, Ritalin (and other amphetamines),

Serzone, Celexa, Fen-Phen, Redux, Merida, LSD, PCP and Ecstasy. The SSRI

Dextromethorphan is found in most over-the-counter cough and cold medications

and Wellbutrin (Zyban) is recommended to smokers who want to quit.

 

 

They’re not approved for minors, but the Prozac family of drugs taken by

pre-schoolers has increased alarmingly. Between 1995 and 1999, the rate of

children under six using Ritalin increased 23 percent. Other Prozac family

drugs increased in children under six by an unbelievable 580 percent.

Astounding, since such drugs have not been approved for anyone under 18 years

old. Not only that, Ritalin and Prozac are being prescribed together for at

least 30 percent of the children taking SSRI antidepressants.

 

 

 

Dr. Tracy illustrated the critical problem of SSRIs in factual reports of

individuals involved in serotonergic-induced incidents. Medications involved

are indicated by parentheses. Pages two and three of this newsletter recounts

some of the SSRI-related tragedies that have occurred since her first book was

published in September 1991.

 

 

 

______________________________\

__________________________

 

1 Dr. Ann Blake Tracy with a degree in psychology and an emphasis in the

biological and forensic areas, has worked as an investigative reporter, served

as Director of the Coalition for a Drug Free Utah, headed the Utah Prozac

Survivor’s Support Group, testified before the FDA and congressional

subcommittee members and testifies as an expert witness in Prozac-related cases.

 

2 Other SSRIs identified by generic names: Amitriptyline, Clomipramine,

Desipramine, Doxepin, Imipramine, Nortriptyline, Protriptyline, Fluvoxamine,

Fluoxetine, Paroxetine, Sertraline, Trazodone, Citalopram, Isocarboxazid,

Phenelzine, Selegiline, Tranylcypromine. SSRI Amphetamines: Ritalin, Cocaine,

Fenfluramine, Reserpine, Redux, Meridia, Buspirone, Sumatriptan, Lithium,

Electro Convulsive Treatment (ECT), Dextromethorphan, Meperidine, Venlafaxine,

Nefazodone, Zyprexa, Rispiral, Remeron. Dr. Tracy credited Kirk Mills, M.D.,

American Family Physician, as partial source.

 

November 2001

 

 

 

Prozac sales are estimated at $8 million daily.

 

Its manufacturer pays untold amounts to quietly settle complaints

 

of suicide-related deaths of its users.

 

 

 

 

 

Tragedies attributed to People on Mind-Altering SSRI Drugs

 

(Drugs involved in the following incidents are indicated by parentheses.)

 

 

 

School Shootings

 

Eric Harris (Luvox) participated in the school shooting in Littleton, Colorado.

Legal action is pending.

 

 

 

Kip Kinkle (Prozac/Ritalin withdrawal) Springfield, OR, killed his parents, then

went to school and killed two classmates.

 

 

 

Jason Hoffman (Effexor/Celexa) was involved in the school shooting in El Cajon,

California.

 

 

 

Elizabeth Bush (Paxil), a 13-year-old, was responsible for a school shooting in

Pennsylvania. Before taking the drug, she was very religious citing Mother

Theresa as one of her main heroes. She described her recent loss of spiritual

feelings after taking Paxil for only a few months.

 

 

 

Cory Baadesgaard (Paxil/Effexor), Matawa, WA school shooting

 

 

 

Stand-off at school in Pocatello, ID in 1998 by a boy (Zoloft) having a

Zoloft-induced seizure

 

 

 

Chris Shanahan (Paxil), 15-year-old in Rigby, ID, out of the blue, killed a

woman.

 

 

 

 

 

Other Incidents Involving Youngsters

 

 

 

Chris Fetters (Prozac), a 13-year-old in Iowa killed her favorite aunt.

 

 

 

Matt Miller, 13, in Overland Park, KS hung himself in his bedroom closet after

only 6 days on Zoloft.

 

 

 

Winatchee, WA, 43 people were wrongfully imprisoned under false accusations in a

sexual abuse “witch hunt” started by a child taking Prozac and Paxil. It cost

the state of WA millions for wrongful imprisonment.

 

 

 

Seth Privacky (Wellbutrin), 18-year-old from Dalton Township, MI, shot his

grandfather, parents, brother and brother’s girlfriend while celebrating

Thanksgiving.

 

 

 

Jarred Viktor (Paxil), 15-year-old, Escondido, CA, stabbed his grandmother 61

times. He took Paxil five days.

 

 

 

Jeff Franklin (Prozac/Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came

home from work. He used a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s

file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

 

 

 

Tragedies by Adults

 

Mr. & Mrs. Phil Hartman (Zoloft), a wrongful death court case was filed but

settled by the Zoloft manufacturer.

 

 

 

Sergi Babarin’s (SSRI withdrawal) Salt Lake Family History Library shooting left

three dead.

 

 

 

Matthew Beck (Luvox), Connecticut lottery shooting left five dead in a

murder/suicide.

 

 

 

Edward Leary (Prozac) was involved in the New York City Subway bombing.

 

 

 

Nick Mansies (Paxil), New Jersey, was convicted of killing a little boy who was

selling cookies door-to-door.

 

 

 

Dana Sue Gray (Paxil), Orange County, CA, described as a very caring nurse,

killed several elderly people.

 

 

 

Officer Stephen Christian (Prozac), one of Dallas Police force’s finest, ran

into a police substation shooting at fellow officers and was killed. A wrongful

death case was settled by makers of Prozac.

 

 

 

David Rothman (Prozac) killed two co-workers and himself at the Department of

Agriculture in Ingelwood, CA. Legal action is pending.

 

 

 

Williams Evans (Zoloft) shot a co-worker at Columbus, Ohio Bureau of Employment

Services, then himself.

 

 

 

Marilyn Lemak (Zoloft) of Naperville, IL killed her three children.

 

 

 

Christopher Vasquez (Zoloft) butchered Michael McMorrow in Central Park.

 

 

 

Megan Hogg (Prozac) killed her three little girls by duct-taping their mouths

and noses before taking a handful of pills in a suicide attempt.

 

 

 

Vera Espinoza (Prozac), Randolph, VT, shot her small son and daughter, then

herself. Legal action is pending.

 

 

 

Mr. Cunningham (Prozac), an elderly man in Layton, UT, axed his wife and

daughter to death.

 

 

 

Margaret Kastanis (Prozac), West Jordan, UT, killed her three children with a

knife and hammer, then stabbed herself to death.

 

 

 

Georgia Insight

2

November 2001

 

More Tragedies attributed to Adults on Mind-Altering Drugs

 

Larramie Huntzinger (Zoloft) ran his car into three young girls, killing two in

Salt Lake City, UT.

 

 

 

Amarillo, TX, young man (Prozac/Ritalin/another antidepressant) burned down a

church and pastor’s home.

 

 

 

Mary Hinkelman (Prozac), a nurse in Baroda, MI, shot her two small daughters and

her sister before shooting herself. Legal action is pending.

 

 

 

Lisa Fox (Prozac), Brighton, MI, shot her small son and her dog before shooting

herself.

 

 

 

Dr. Debra Green (Prozac), Kansas City, MO, set her home on fire, killing her

children.

 

 

 

Lauri Dann (Anafranil), Chicago, IL, shot seven children in an elementary school

classroom, killing one.

 

 

 

Donald Schell (Paxil), Gillette, WY, shot his wife, daughter and baby

grand-daughter, then himself after taking Paxil two days. In June 2001 Paxil

manufacturer was found guilty of this murder/suicide and ordered to pay $6.4

million.

 

 

 

Gloria B. (Prozac), Pleasant Grove, UT, killed her sleeping 17-year-old son with

a sledge-hammer before she attempted suicide by drinking a chemical manufactured

to unstop drains.

 

 

 

Larry Buttz (Prozac), Ames, IA, superintendent of schools, shot his wife, son

and daughter, then himself.

 

 

 

Adrea Yates (Effexor/Remeron-Effexor), Houston, TX, drowned her five small

children in the bathtub. She had been prescribed the drugs at one and a half

times the maximum dose.

 

 

 

Other Famous Cases

 

Princess Diana (Prozac) and Dodi Fayed died in the car crash driven by their

driver Henri Paul (Prozac).

 

 

 

Monica Lewinsky (Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor, Serzone and Phen-Fen)

 

 

 

Chris Farley (Prozac) had a Prozac-induced heart attack.

 

 

 

Jim McDougal (Prozac), Clinton’s ex-partner, died of a Prozac-induced heart

attack after his dosage was increased to 60 mg in prison.

 

 

 

Mrs. Randall Tobias (Prozac), whose husband was CEO of Eli Lilly that

manufactures Prozac, committed suicide while she was taking Prozac.

 

 

 

The Center for Drug Evaluation and Research Adverse Reaction Report (ADR) on

SSRI drugs on June 18, 1992 revealed that, during the seven year period between

1985 and 1992, there were 1,313 Prozac-related deaths compared to 861 deaths

from all other SSRIs drugs combined.

 

It further compared the effects of Prozac and five other specific SSRI drugs.

There were 23,067 adverse reaction reports on Prozac, while the five other drugs

combined had only 9,844 total complaints of bad effects. Consider some of the

effects of Prozac compared to Deseryl, Elavil, Tofanil, Ludiomil and Sinequan

below:

 

 

 

Prozac Others Combined

 

Deaths 1,313 578

 

Anxiety 734 111

 

Hostility 634 39

 

Insomnia 870 183

 

Depression 762 93

 

Psychotic Depression 780 31

 

Convulsions 579 597

 

Nervousness 756 133

 

Tremor 499 221

 

 

 

 

 

Gag Orders Protect Drug Manufacturers

 

Dr. Tracy reports, “This is only a handful of MANY, MANY more cases. At this

point the number of cases is so great that there would not be room for anything

else if I continued to list them. Many cases have been settled with ‘gag

orders’ placed on the families. This keeps bad press at bay so as not to give

the drugs a soiled reputation thus continuing the popularity of the drugs. And

the silence keeps others from filing cases due to the ignorance of the fact that

a success in a wrongful death suit is possible.”

 

 

 

 

 

Georgia Insight

3

November 2001

 

Will Governor Barnes introduce this in the 2002 Legislative Session?

 

 

 

Model State Emergency Health Powers Act (MSEHPA)

 

Governors get Draft of MEHPA Legislation to Push State-by-State

 

 

 

The Internet has article after article on the latest effort to enact more

control over American citizens, citing the possibility of contagion through

germ-laden bio-terrorist attacks. Since the model bill would have to be enacted

by the states, all 50 governors were sent copies of the 40- to 50-page

legislation in early November.

 

 

 

MSEHPA was created under pressure from Centers for Disease Control and

Prevention in Atlanta. Lawyers, governors and public health professors at

Georgetown and Johns Hopkins universities in Washington and Baltimore

collaborated to draft the bill, but its chief author is Lawrence Gostin,

professor and director at the Center for Law and the Public’s Health at

Georgetown and Johns Hopkins universities in Washington.

 

 

 

Professor Gostin said the question of quarantines “is probably the biggest issue

because it involves liberty of individuals in the public.” He further said that

officials could take control of hospitals or stadiums to house quarantined

people. Because of its threats to freedoms, it’s surprising that the

thought-to-be-conservative Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson,

former governor of Wisconsin, is pushing the bill.

 

 

 

As MSEHPA is currently written, states could gain extensive new powers to

control. Appointed agency and department heads and other government employees

would control the population after the emergency is declared. National Guard

units could be mobilized to enforce the law. When asked whether a National

Guardsman could shoot a grandmother trying to evade quarantine, Professor Gostin

said, “Maybe, you have to use all reasonable force.” He added that reasonable

force includes lethal force.

 

 

 

People could be forced to submit to examinations, medications and quarantine.

Public health officials could shut down essential services, roads and airports

and commandeer private property as holding sites for quarantined people. Such

broad quarantine authority has never been enacted in the United States.

 

 

 

Drugs and other medical supplies could be rationed and a governor’s declaration

of a public health emergency would be all that’s necessary to initiate and

authorize enforcement of the provisions. Conditions that trigger a declaration

of emergency are not specifically defined.

 

 

 

Paramedics, EMS personnel and emergency health workers would be awarded civil

immunity while the state would have the authority “to use and appropriate

property as necessary for the care, treatment and housing of patients and for

the destruction of contaminated materials.”

 

 

 

The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) says problems of the

legislation include the following:

 

· Governors would have broader authority to declare a state of emergency

during an occurrence or imminent threat of an illness or health condition caused

by a bio-terrorism epidemic or biological toxins.

 

· Public health officials, among others, would have broad and unfettered

access to personal health information without patient consent.

 

· Pharmacists and physicians would be required to report “unusual” health

patterns, including personal information about persons exhibiting unusual health

patterns.

 

· Public health officials would be granted broad quarantine powers and could

require medical examinations or vaccinations. Those who refuse could be charged

with a misdemeanor.

 

· Public health officials could seize and control personal property and

access communications.

 

· They could require rationing, set quotas or fix prices.

 

· Governors would have exclusive power over the expenditure of funds

appropriated for emergencies.

 

· States would have to develop a comprehensive plan to coordinate attack

response.

 

 

 

The possible stripping of individual and family rights and liberties is

troubling, especially, since the bill is actually unnecessary. States already

have natural disaster statutes for handling emergencies.

 

ACTION – Ask your state senator and representative to get a copy of this

legislation and study it for possible losses of individual freedoms. Ask them

to propose and support amendments to protect personal liberties and neutralize

the absolute powers granted the governor and appointees in government agencies

and departments.

 

 

 

Georgia Insight is a conservative publication financed entirely by its

recipients.

 

 

 

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I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing. I got to " all antidepressants are

SSRIs. . . " . Evidently this is no longer true. I am interested in bupropion,

brand name Wellbutrin. They claim this is not an SSRI. It is addictive, I can

tell you that. I tried to research it, and I got mostly info about the benefits

of it for people who are quitting smoking. It is called Zyban when it is used

for tobacco addiction. Of course, we know that people have quit smoking for

decades [at least] without meds. But now, look out, it's almost impossible to

quit without Zyban! But I am interested in the use of Wellbutrin, an

antidepressant, for attention disorders. Psychiatrists claim that the drug

treats those disorders, but I can find only info that says it's the drug of

choice for treating depression in people with attention disorders. It is being

prescribed for people with ADD or ADHD, who are not depressed, just to treat the

attention disorder. And it is causing addiction in the process. I am disgusted.

Thanks for listening, Beth.

Frank <califpacific wrote:

This type of information is being seen a little in both conservative and liberal

media, but not in major media outlets. This was written in Nov. 2001.

 

http://www.georgiaeagle.org/index.php?where=insight & ID=14

Georgia

insight

Sue Ella Deadwyler 4168 Rue Antoinette

Stone Mountain, Georgia 30083

 

 

 

“She hath done what she could.”

 

Mark 14:8a

 

 

 

 

______________________________\

______________________________\

_______

 

 

What do anti-depressants do to your brain?A Book Review

Prozac: Panacea or Pandora? Updated 2001 Edition

 

Author: Ann Blake Tracy1, PhD

 

Dangerous drugs called “serotonergic agents” are also known as Specific

Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) because they throw the metabolism of

serotonin out of whack. They increase the level of serotonin in the brain but

decrease the process by which the body uses it.

 

 

 

What is serotonin? Serotonin is an essential chemical produced by the body.

 

Where is it found? It’s in the blood and gastric mucous membranes of all

mammals.

 

What does it do? It helps regulate mood and mental health.

 

Consider this:

 

Adequate serotonin is an essential chemical for good mental health.

 

Elevated levels of serotonin have been found in persons with psychosis or

schizophrenia, mood disorders, organic brain disease, mental retardation, autism

and Alzheimer’s disease.

 

Low levels of serotonin metabolism are found in others with depression, anxiety,

suicide, violence, arson, substance abuse, insomnia, violent nightmares,

impulsive behavior, reckless driving, exhibitionism, hostility, argumentative

behavior, etc.

 

 

 

Adequate is, obviously, the preferred level of serotonin and no medication is

needed.

 

Elevated levels of serotonin might indicate a need to lower the level, but SSRIs

aren’t the answer. SSRIs further elevate serotonin levels and restrict its use

in the brain.

 

Low levels of serotonin might indicate a need to raise the level, but SSRIs

aren’t the answer to that either. Again, at the same time SSRIs elevate

serotonin levels, they also interfere with its metabolism. Both elevated levels

and low levels of serotonin are worsened when SSRIs are ingested.

 

 

All anti-depressants are SSRIs but Prozac is best known. Dr. Tracy states that

many other drugs should be simply numbered Prozac #2, Prozac #3, Prozac #4,

etc., because they have the same effects. A short list2 of Prozac act-alikes are

Sarafem, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Effexor, Ritalin (and other amphetamines),

Serzone, Celexa, Fen-Phen, Redux, Merida, LSD, PCP and Ecstasy. The SSRI

Dextromethorphan is found in most over-the-counter cough and cold medications

and Wellbutrin (Zyban) is recommended to smokers who want to quit.

 

 

They’re not approved for minors, but the Prozac family of drugs taken by pre-

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Either way it is a killer and should not be given out to anyone.

 

Marianne

 

 

> Hi Marianne,

>

> They renamed Wellbutrin to Zyban when they decided to market it for

> smoking cessation.

>

> As the maker of Prozac also renamed it to Serafem when they marketed

> it for PMS.

>

> Just marketing ploys, they are the same drugs just different names.

>

> Frank

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear BethM,

 

Technically, I believe Wellbutrin is a tricylic type anti depressant.

It also does increase the serotonin level.

 

Why Ann Tracy called it an SSRI, I am not sure. I suspect it is more

to the end result of the chemical altering the seratonin levels than

a matter of semantics in pharmacuetical classification. She also

listed LSD, Amphetamines and others.

 

Or maybe the newspaper writer misquoted her.

 

I suspect that Ann Tracy knows the differences very well.

 

 

If you want to do research on antidepressants, I suggest that you do

a search on past messages of the group at this page.

Gettingwell/messages

 

There are probably hundreds of relevent messages.

 

Also go to the links page and search through the links on SSRIs and

check out anything concerning psychotropic drugs or mental illness.

Here is the address.

Gettingwell/links

 

I think the point is that they not only cause addiction, but changes

in the brain, some severe. Some possibly long term or in some cases

even permanent.

 

The degree of change might be severe as some of those noted, but just

because someone didn't have an extreme alteration, doesn't mean it

doesn't make most people who take them a little " off " to one degree

or another even though the person taking them ( or even the people

around them) might not be aware of it.

 

If you really want to learn about them, why not go back and try and

read the whole article as well as the sources that I have mentioned

above. Not every word may be taken as complete, but I think that

overall you will get a better understanding of the whole field of

psychotropic medications. A lot of the research in this area has been

done by well qualified people and most of the writings and books are

very well footnoted with scientific references.

 

regards,

 

Frank

 

 

 

Gettingwell , BethM <bethlaine_m> wrote:

>

>

>

> I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing. I got to " all

antidepressants are SSRIs. . . " . Evidently this is no longer true. I

am interested in bupropion, brand name Wellbutrin. They claim this is

not an SSRI. It is addictive, I can tell you that. I tried to

research it, and I got mostly info about the benefits of it for

people who are quitting smoking. It is called Zyban when it is used

for tobacco addiction. Of course, we know that people have quit

smoking for decades [at least] without meds. But now, look out, it's

almost impossible to quit without Zyban! But I am interested in the

use of Wellbutrin, an antidepressant, for attention disorders.

Psychiatrists claim that the drug treats those disorders, but I can

find only info that says it's the drug of choice for treating

depression in people with attention disorders. It is being prescribed

for people with ADD or ADHD, who are not depressed, just to treat the

attention disorder. And it is causing addiction in the process. I am

disgusted. Thanks for listening, Beth.

 

 

> Frank <califpacific> wrote:

> This type of information is being seen a little in both

conservative and liberal media, but not in major media outlets. This

was written in Nov. 2001.

>

> http://www.georgiaeagle.org/index.php?where=insight & ID=14

> Georgia

> insight

> Sue Ella Deadwyler 4168 Rue Antoinette

> Stone Mountain, Georgia 30083

>

>

>

> " She hath done what she could. "

>

> Mark 14:8a

>

>

>

>

>

____________________

____________________

___________________________

>

>

> What do anti-depressants do to your brain?A Book Review

> Prozac: Panacea or Pandora? Updated 2001 Edition

>

> Author: Ann Blake Tracy1, PhD

>

> Dangerous drugs called " serotonergic agents " are also known as

Specific Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) because they throw the

metabolism of serotonin out of whack. They increase the level of

serotonin in the brain but decrease the process by which the body

uses it.

>

>

>

> What is serotonin? Serotonin is an essential chemical produced by

the body.

>

> Where is it found? It's in the blood and gastric mucous membranes

of all mammals.

>

> What does it do? It helps regulate mood and mental health.

>

> Consider this:

>

> Adequate serotonin is an essential chemical for good mental health.

>

> Elevated levels of serotonin have been found in persons with

psychosis or schizophrenia, mood disorders, organic brain disease,

mental retardation, autism and Alzheimer's disease.

>

> Low levels of serotonin metabolism are found in others with

depression, anxiety, suicide, violence, arson, substance abuse,

insomnia, violent nightmares, impulsive behavior, reckless driving,

exhibitionism, hostility, argumentative behavior, etc.

>

>

>

> Adequate is, obviously, the preferred level of serotonin and no

medication is needed.

>

> Elevated levels of serotonin might indicate a need to lower the

level, but SSRIs aren't the answer. SSRIs further elevate serotonin

levels and restrict its use in the brain.

>

> Low levels of serotonin might indicate a need to raise the level,

but SSRIs aren't the answer to that either. Again, at the same time

SSRIs elevate serotonin levels, they also interfere with its

metabolism. Both elevated levels and low levels of serotonin are

worsened when SSRIs are ingested.

>

>

> All anti-depressants are SSRIs but Prozac is best known. Dr. Tracy

states that many other drugs should be simply numbered Prozac #2,

Prozac #3, Prozac #4, etc., because they have the same effects. A

short list2 of Prozac act-alikes are Sarafem, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox,

Effexor, Ritalin (and other amphetamines), Serzone, Celexa, Fen-Phen,

Redux, Merida, LSD, PCP and Ecstasy. The SSRI Dextromethorphan is

found in most over-the-counter cough and cold medications and

Wellbutrin (Zyban) is recommended to smokers who want to quit.

>

>

> They're not approved for minors, but the Prozac family of drugs

taken by pre-

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Hi Marianne,

 

They renamed Wellbutrin to Zyban when they decided to market it for

smoking cessation.

 

As the maker of Prozac also renamed it to Serafem when they marketed

it for PMS.

 

Just marketing ploys, they are the same drugs just different names.

 

Frank

 

 

Gettingwell , marianne2406@a... wrote:

> Zyban was also responsible for deaths - is Wellbutrin going to do

the same.

> They ban something like kava kava that is totally safe is used

correctly and

> put something totally addictive and not totally safe out there for

drs to

> prescribe as and when they wish - what a corrupt world we live in.

>

> Marianne

>

>

> > I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing. I got to " all

antidepressants

> > are SSRIs. . . " . Evidently this is no longer true. I am

interested in

> > bupropion, brand name Wellbutrin. They claim this is not an SSRI.

It is

> > addictive, I can tell you that. I tried to research it, and I got

mostly

> > info about the benefits of it for people who are quitting

smoking. It is

> > called Zyban when it is used for tobacco addiction. Of course, we

know that

> > people have quit smoking for decades [at least] without meds. But

now, look

> > out, it's almost impossible to quit without Zyban! But I am

interested in

> > the use of Wellbutrin, an antidepressant, for attention

disorders.

> > Psychiatrists claim that the drug treats those disorders, but I

can find

> > only info that says it's the drug of choice for treating

depression in

> > people with attention disorders. It is being prescribed for

people with ADD

> > or ADHD, who are not depressed, just to treat the attention

disorder. And

> > it is causing addiction in the process. I am disgusted. Thanks

for

> > listening, Beth.

> >

>

>

>

>

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Got any links on the addictive nature of Wellbutrin? I

passed your info on to someone who is taking Wellbutrin & he is

looking for more info on its addictive potential.

 

Alobar

 

 

-

" BethM " <bethlaine_m

 

Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:14 AM

Re: What do anti-depressants do to your brain?

 

 

 

 

 

I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing. I got to " all

antidepressants are SSRIs. . . " . Evidently this is no longer true. I

am interested in bupropion, brand name Wellbutrin. They claim this is

not an SSRI. It is addictive, I can tell you that. I tried to

research it, and I got mostly info about the benefits of it for

people who are quitting smoking. It is called Zyban when it is used

for tobacco addiction.

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" Alobar " <alobar

 

Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:22 PM

Re: What do anti-depressants do to your brain?

 

 

> Got any links on the addictive nature of Wellbutrin? I

> passed your info on to someone who is taking Wellbutrin & he is

> looking for more info on its addictive potential.

>

> Alobar

>

 

I am off from work tonight so I am answering my own question.

I did some web research after one person asked for more info on the

addictive nature of wellbutrin, and another person strongly disagreed

with the addiction statement. I found enough to satisfy me that

there are indeed addiction problems with wellbutrin.

 

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/side-effects.htm lists a

whole slew of side effects.

 

Next is an anecdotal account (URL at end of paragraph)

 

I have taken Wellbutrin for one year- after switching to it from

Effexor. I now feel that I do not need to take the drug

anymore---however, I am having a hard time coming off it. I have

tapered very slowly, am taking vitamin supplements, Immunocal and

still have-itchy skin, nerve firings all over my body, joint and

muscle pain, as well as anxiety (which I have never gotten.) I can

handle the emotional difficulties, but these physical symptoms are

hard to cope with. There is really NO info out there about what to

expect and how long for this particular drug. An added frustration is

the belief of my MD that this " shouldn't happen. " Any advice? I am

taking 1/4 of a 150 mg pill for the last two weeks. I don't know if I

should stop altogether now, or wait for these symptoms to go away

before I take another step. Has anyone stopped and gotten back to

normal? Thanks!

http://www.dispace.com/message_boards/drugs/WellbutrinSR/_disc35/0000

16b6.htm

 

 

And some Q- & -A from another webpage:

 

Q: Is there Wellbutrin withdrawal?

 

A: Yes. The severity and length of symptoms vary with the amount of

damage done to the normal reward system through Wellbutrin use. The

most common symptoms are: drug craving, extreme irritability, loss of

energy, depression, fearfulness, excessive drowsiness or difficulty

in sleeping, shaking, nausea, palpitations, sweating,

hyperventilation, and increased appetite.

 

Q: Is Wellbutrin addiction difficult to treat?

 

A: Several treatment providers describe Wellbutrin abusers as " the

hardest to treat " of all drug users. They are often overly excitable

and " extremely resistant to any form of intervention once the acute

effects of Wellbutrin use have gone away. " Wellbutrin addicts get

over the acute effects of withdrawal fairly quickly. However, the

" wall " period lasts 6-8 months for casual users and 2-3 years for

regular users. (Some people never recover and remain unsatisfied with

life due to permanent brain damage.) This is a period of prolonged

abstinence during which the brain recovers from the changes resulting

from Wellbutrin use. During this period, recovering addicts feel

depressed, fuzzyheaded, and think life isn't as pleasurable without

the drug. Because prolonged use causes changes in the brain,

willpower alone will not cure Wellbutrin addicts.

 

http://www.schizoaffective.org/articles/meth.htm

 

 

Alobar

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Dear Alobar,

 

Yes. there is a lot of anecdotal evidence from the people who have

had problems with these type medications.

 

The medical establishment has tried to sweep all of this information

under the rug in the past.

 

Failing to do that, they then try to blame the victum by words like

addict, drug seeking behavior, craving, drug abuser, etc.

 

Almost all of this is total BS.

 

Almost all of the victums of this type addiction didn't have a clue

to what they were getting into.

 

The standard information from the medical establishment is that these

drugs are not addictive. They have said that about almost every

addictive drug put on the market in the last hundred years and when

the story no longer holds up, they then demonize the patient as

an " addict " who is to blame. The trouble is that the drugs get more

altered from a natural substance and usually are more toxic.

 

In fact up to a couple of months ago, paxil was still being touted in

TV commercials as " not addictive " , until some consumer groups filed

suit against them for doing so.

 

The average patient is pushed into taking these meds by doctors who

know very little about them. Then when there is problems, they know

even less about the problems involved and how to get these people off

them safely.

 

These people do not exhibit drug craving or drug seeking behaviour in

the classical sense. It is more of an unvoluntary chemical

dependence, which they are not even aware of. In most cases they

patient is told that it is not the drugs causing the problems and

that it is the patients " underlying " problems and ergo... needs more

drugs. This can start a downward spiral into mental illness and drug

induced more mental illness. And then more drugs and more,

etc.....Convenient huh?

 

When these people have problems what they are experiencing is pain

avoidance, not drug seeking behavior.

 

The severe withdrawal period from a drug like heroin can usually be

overcome in a matter of days and full detox can be accomplished in a

month or so, but with benzodiazapines or some of the antidepressants

the severe withdrawal peiod can last a year or more and for some, the

effects of extended withdrawal can last for years and in a few may be

permanent.

 

Nice meds huh? And then they say that these meds are safe and non

addictive.

 

Although not everyone is affected in this way, anyone who takes them

is playing with dynamite.

 

regards,

 

Frank

 

 

 

Gettingwell , " Alobar " <alobar@b...> wrote:

>

> -

> " Alobar " <alobar@b...>

>

> Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:22 PM

> Re: What do anti-depressants do to your

brain?

>

>

> > Got any links on the addictive nature of Wellbutrin? I

> > passed your info on to someone who is taking Wellbutrin & he is

> > looking for more info on its addictive potential.

> >

> > Alobar

> >

>

> I am off from work tonight so I am answering my own

question.

> I did some web research after one person asked for more info on the

> addictive nature of wellbutrin, and another person strongly

disagreed

> with the addiction statement. I found enough to satisfy me that

> there are indeed addiction problems with wellbutrin.

>

> http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/side-effects.htm lists a

> whole slew of side effects.

>

> Next is an anecdotal account (URL at end of paragraph)

>

> I have taken Wellbutrin for one year- after switching to it from

> Effexor. I now feel that I do not need to take the drug

> anymore---however, I am having a hard time coming off it. I have

> tapered very slowly, am taking vitamin supplements, Immunocal and

> still have-itchy skin, nerve firings all over my body, joint and

> muscle pain, as well as anxiety (which I have never gotten.) I can

> handle the emotional difficulties, but these physical symptoms are

> hard to cope with. There is really NO info out there about what to

> expect and how long for this particular drug. An added frustration

is

> the belief of my MD that this " shouldn't happen. " Any advice? I am

> taking 1/4 of a 150 mg pill for the last two weeks. I don't know if

I

> should stop altogether now, or wait for these symptoms to go away

> before I take another step. Has anyone stopped and gotten back to

> normal? Thanks!

>

http://www.dispace.com/message_boards/drugs/WellbutrinSR/_disc35/0000

> 16b6.htm

>

>

> And some Q- & -A from another webpage:

>

> Q: Is there Wellbutrin withdrawal?

>

> A: Yes. The severity and length of symptoms vary with the amount of

> damage done to the normal reward system through Wellbutrin use. The

> most common symptoms are: drug craving, extreme irritability, loss

of

> energy, depression, fearfulness, excessive drowsiness or difficulty

> in sleeping, shaking, nausea, palpitations, sweating,

> hyperventilation, and increased appetite.

>

> Q: Is Wellbutrin addiction difficult to treat?

>

> A: Several treatment providers describe Wellbutrin abusers as " the

> hardest to treat " of all drug users. They are often overly excitable

> and " extremely resistant to any form of intervention once the acute

> effects of Wellbutrin use have gone away. " Wellbutrin addicts get

> over the acute effects of withdrawal fairly quickly. However, the

> " wall " period lasts 6-8 months for casual users and 2-3 years for

> regular users. (Some people never recover and remain unsatisfied

with

> life due to permanent brain damage.) This is a period of prolonged

> abstinence during which the brain recovers from the changes

resulting

> from Wellbutrin use. During this period, recovering addicts feel

> depressed, fuzzyheaded, and think life isn't as pleasurable without

> the drug. Because prolonged use causes changes in the brain,

> willpower alone will not cure Wellbutrin addicts.

>

> http://www.schizoaffective.org/articles/meth.htm

>

>

> Alobar

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Will pass that on, Frank. Thanks.

 

Alobar

 

 

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<califpacific

 

Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:35 PM

Re: What do anti-depressants do to your brain?

 

 

> Dear Alobar,

>

> Yes. there is a lot of anecdotal evidence from the people who have

> had problems with these type medications.

>

> The medical establishment has tried to sweep all of this

information

> under the rug in the past.

>

> Failing to do that, they then try to blame the victum by words like

> addict, drug seeking behavior, craving, drug abuser, etc.

>

> Almost all of this is total BS.

>

> Almost all of the victums of this type addiction didn't have a clue

> to what they were getting into.

>

> The standard information from the medical establishment is that

these

> drugs are not addictive. They have said that about almost every

> addictive drug put on the market in the last hundred years and when

> the story no longer holds up, they then demonize the patient as

> an " addict " who is to blame. The trouble is that the drugs get more

> altered from a natural substance and usually are more toxic.

>

> In fact up to a couple of months ago, paxil was still being touted

in

> TV commercials as " not addictive " , until some consumer groups filed

> suit against them for doing so.

>

> The average patient is pushed into taking these meds by doctors who

> know very little about them. Then when there is problems, they know

> even less about the problems involved and how to get these people

off

> them safely.

>

> These people do not exhibit drug craving or drug seeking behaviour

in

> the classical sense. It is more of an unvoluntary chemical

> dependence, which they are not even aware of. In most cases they

> patient is told that it is not the drugs causing the problems and

> that it is the patients " underlying " problems and ergo... needs

more

> drugs. This can start a downward spiral into mental illness and

drug

> induced more mental illness. And then more drugs and more,

> etc.....Convenient huh?

>

> When these people have problems what they are experiencing is pain

> avoidance, not drug seeking behavior.

>

> The severe withdrawal period from a drug like heroin can usually be

> overcome in a matter of days and full detox can be accomplished in

a

> month or so, but with benzodiazapines or some of the

antidepressants

> the severe withdrawal peiod can last a year or more and for some,

the

> effects of extended withdrawal can last for years and in a few may

be

> permanent.

>

> Nice meds huh? And then they say that these meds are safe and non

> addictive.

>

> Although not everyone is affected in this way, anyone who takes

them

> is playing with dynamite.

>

> regards,

>

> Frank

>

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I don't have links, but if you go to med sites that give prescription drug info,

you'll read that people who have been taking it for months, shouldn't quit

taking Wellbutrin without a doctor's help. Then, I have a friend who tried to

quit taking it and experienced some pretty miserable withdrawal symptoms for

about a month. Just recently, in fact just the day before yesterday, he was put

back on it. He says he is feeling a lot better. I am afraid to say anything else

about it to him. ugh.

Alobar <alobar wrote:Got any links on the addictive nature of

Wellbutrin? I

passed your info on to someone who is taking Wellbutrin & he is

looking for more info on its addictive potential.

 

Alobar

 

 

-

" BethM "

To:

Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:14 AM

Re: What do anti-depressants do to your brain?

 

 

 

 

 

I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing. I got to " all

antidepressants are SSRIs. . . " . Evidently this is no longer true. I

am interested in bupropion, brand name Wellbutrin. They claim this is

not an SSRI. It is addictive, I can tell you that. I tried to

research it, and I got mostly info about the benefits of it for

people who are quitting smoking. It is called Zyban when it is used

for tobacco addiction.

 

 

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This may be somewhat interesting. I'm the person with the friend who was just

prescribed Wellbutrin. He had just gotten himself over the withdrawal sypmtoms

from it when it was prescribed again. Meanwhile, he has a history of alcohol

abuse, and he heard about Drink Wise and decided to try drinking again after 23

years abstinence. He promptly ran into various kinds of trouble. I checked

online and found that the drug info says not to drink alcohol when you are

taking Wellbutrin or maybe it was Zyban. . .same thing. I thought this would

deter him from using one substance or the other, or with any luck, both. Anyway,

he told his " therapist " this, and do you know what she told him? You won't

believe this! She told him that she takes Wellbutrin and she drinks alcohol.She

was fully aware of the trouble he has gotten into since he started to drink

again. I can't imagine what her objective in telling him this was, can you? Can

you believe it??? Not only that, but I can't imagine why they would prescribe a

drug like Wellbutrin, which is one of those that gets abused and is addictive,

to someone with a history of substance abuse problems. I'm incredulous! Thanks

for listening, Beth

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I think the answer to your question of WHY is simple - $$$$ (££££) signs.

 

Marianne

 

 

> This may be somewhat interesting. I'm the person with the friend who was

> just prescribed Wellbutrin. He had just gotten himself over the withdrawal

> sypmtoms from it when it was prescribed again. Meanwhile, he has a history

> of alcohol abuse, and he heard about Drink Wise and decided to try drinking

> again after 23 years abstinence. He promptly ran into various kinds of

> trouble. I checked online and found that the drug info says not to drink

> alcohol when you are taking Wellbutrin or maybe it was Zyban. . .same

> thing. I thought this would deter him from using one substance or the

> other, or with any luck, both. Anyway, he told his " therapist " this, and do

> you know what she told him? You won't believe this! She told him that she

> takes Wellbutrin and she drinks alcohol.She was fully aware of the trouble

> he has gotten into since he started to drink again. I can't imagine what

> her objective in telling him this was, can you? Can you believe it??? Not

> only that, but I can't imagine why they would prescribe a drug like

> Wellbutrin, which is one of those that gets abused and is addictive, to

> someone with a history of substance abuse problems. I'm incredulous! Thanks

> for listening, Beth

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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I agreed right to the last sentence Alobar, I don't think they do anything

humanely in the pharm companies - they only do anything for profit. If they

did anything humanely, then they would research these drugs far more than

they do so that they would know how bad so many are for us.

 

Marianne

 

 

> I think on one level, you are right, Marianne, but I think it

> may be more complex than that. At the very least, it appears we have

> one addict pushing a drug on someone else. Then there is the

> mistaken belief that all of life's problems & imbalances can be &

> should be medicated away -- which is based in the medical hubris that

> *anyone* knows enough to tamper with imbalances thru medication.

> Plus the lies the medical people are taught to believe in school that

> the pharm companies actually have patients' well-beings upmost in

> mind, when, in fact, the pharm companies are willing t use lies,

> duplicity, and lawyers to maximize their profits, foist drugs on as

> many people as possible, and keep patients as medicated as humanely

> possible.

>

> Alobar

>

 

 

 

 

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--some one I know also does this-

I wish i could help..he should give up

one or the other first, and I

think it shud be zyban!!

Bollin

 

 

 

 

 

- In Gettingwell , marianne2406@a... wrote:

> I think the answer to your question of WHY is simple - $$$$ (££££)

signs.

>

> Marianne

>

>

> > This may be somewhat interesting. I'm the person with the friend

who was

> > just prescribed Wellbutrin. He had just gotten himself over the

withdrawal

> > sypmtoms from it when it was prescribed again. Meanwhile, he has

a history

> > of alcohol abuse, and he heard about Drink Wise and decided to

try drinking

> > again after 23 years abstinence. He promptly ran into various

kinds of

> > trouble. I checked online and found that the drug info says not

to drink

> > alcohol when you are taking Wellbutrin or maybe it was

Zyban. . .same

> > thing. I thought this would deter him from using one substance or

the

> > other, or with any luck, both. Anyway, he told his " therapist "

this, and do

> > you know what she told him? You won't believe this! She told him

that she

> > takes Wellbutrin and she drinks alcohol.She was fully aware of

the trouble

> > he has gotten into since he started to drink again. I can't

imagine what

> > her objective in telling him this was, can you? Can you believe

it??? Not

> > only that, but I can't imagine why they would prescribe a drug

like

> > Wellbutrin, which is one of those that gets abused and is

addictive, to

> > someone with a history of substance abuse problems. I'm

incredulous! Thanks

> > for listening, Beth

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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I think on one level, you are right, Marianne, but I think it

may be more complex than that. At the very least, it appears we have

one addict pushing a drug on someone else. Then there is the

mistaken belief that all of life's problems & imbalances can be &

should be medicated away -- which is based in the medical hubris that

*anyone* knows enough to tamper with imbalances thru medication.

Plus the lies the medical people are taught to believe in school that

the pharm companies actually have patients' well-beings upmost in

mind, when, in fact, the pharm companies are willing t use lies,

duplicity, and lawyers to maximize their profits, foist drugs on as

many people as possible, and keep patients as medicated as humanely

possible.

 

Alobar

 

 

-

<marianne2406

 

Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:20 AM

Re: Re: What do anti-depressants do to your

brain?

 

 

I think the answer to your question of WHY is simple - $$$$ (££££)

signs.

 

Marianne

 

 

> This may be somewhat interesting. I'm the person with the friend

who was

> just prescribed Wellbutrin. He had just gotten himself over the

withdrawal

> sypmtoms from it when it was prescribed again. Meanwhile, he has a

history

> of alcohol abuse, and he heard about Drink Wise and decided to try

drinking

> again after 23 years abstinence. He promptly ran into various kinds

of

> trouble. I checked online and found that the drug info says not to

drink

> alcohol when you are taking Wellbutrin or maybe it was Zyban. .

..same

> thing. I thought this would deter him from using one substance or

the

> other, or with any luck, both. Anyway, he told his " therapist "

this, and do

> you know what she told him? You won't believe this! She told him

that she

> takes Wellbutrin and she drinks alcohol.She was fully aware of the

trouble

> he has gotten into since he started to drink again. I can't imagine

what

> her objective in telling him this was, can you? Can you believe

it??? Not

> only that, but I can't imagine why they would prescribe a drug like

> Wellbutrin, which is one of those that gets abused and is

addictive, to

> someone with a history of substance abuse problems. I'm

incredulous! Thanks

> for listening, Beth

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