Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 can someone tell me if osteoporosis can truly be reversed? ...or is this a disease that at best... can only be kept (hopefully) from getting worse? jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 there is a book called Preventing and Treating Osteoporosis by Alan Gaby MD. In my case, if teeth are any indication (visible portion of skeleton) I have increased bone mass with Vit D, progesterone and Armour thyroid (which contains calcitonen which fixes calcium to bone). Gracia > can someone tell me if osteoporosis can truly be reversed? > ..or is this a disease that at best... can only be kept (hopefully) > from getting worse? > > jen > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > ........ Gettingwell- > post............. Gettingwell > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 There is a new drug with only one possible side effect that stops the loss of calcium from the bone. It is called Zometa. It is very expensive and is given as an infusion. If you are on medicaid, medicare or disability you can get if for about half price or free. I wouldn't recommend Fosimax as advertised on TV. The other thing that can reverse it is a combination of calcium, Magnesium and phosphorus. Nature's life has a liquid vanilla flavored combo that can be added to cereal. Don't settle for simple calcium and magnesium. Boron is also important as well as vitamin D, and daily sunshine. There is also angstrom size calsium that is immediately absorbed into the cells. If you need the address for the supplier I can obtain it. Laura Living Naturally in Mexico: http://www.infowest.com/business/g/gentle/vivamexico!.html --- In Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > can someone tell me if osteoporosis can truly be reversed? > ..or is this a disease that at best... can only be kept (hopefully) > from getting worse? > > jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 There is a new drug with only one possible side effect that stops the loss of calcium from the bone. It is called Zometa. It is very expensive and is given as an infusion. If you are on medicaid, medicare or disability you can get if for about half price or free. I wouldn't recommend Fosimax as advertised on TV. The other thing that can reverse it is a combination of calcium, Magnesium and phosphorus. Nature's life has a liquid vanilla flavored combo that can be added to cereal. Don't settle for simple calcium and magnesium. Boron is also important as well as vitamin D, and daily sunshine. There is also angstrom size calsium that is immediately absorbed into the cells. If you need the address for the supplier I can obtain it. Laura Living Naturally in Mexico: http://www.infowest.com/business/g/gentle/vivamexico!.html --- In Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > can someone tell me if osteoporosis can truly be reversed? > ..or is this a disease that at best... can only be kept (hopefully) > from getting worse? > > jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 - <gentlesurvivalist Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:54 AM Re: CAN OSTEOPOROSIS BE REVERSED?? > There is a new drug with only one possible side effect that stops > the loss of calcium from the bone. It is called Zometa. Don't be too certain about " only one possible side effect " from any new drug. Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM free sample copy of The Holistic Dental Digest by replying to jmittelman with your PO Box or street address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 Osteoporosis, IMO, is not a disease; rather it is a state of the condition of bone density. There are some diseases that can cause osteoporosis. There is an alarming number of teenagers being diagnosed as having osteoporosis. Why? In most cases it can be attributed to poor diet and lack of exercise. It is unfortunate for a teenager to have osteoporosis since it is the bone density that we build up in our childhood that sustains us in later years. It's the law of the harvest: We reap what we sow. Can osteoporosis by reversed? I believe that it can be through exercise and right foods. When we use our muscles the body sort of analyzes whether the bone needs to be strengthen to support the muscle activity. (Common sense says don't load on more than the bone can handle in its present condition or on top of osteoporosis a person could then be dealing with trying to mend a broken bone.) Load bearing exercise, such as weight lifting is good. walking is good. Exercise that involves much bending of the joints can probably be added after muscles are conditioned, until then too much pressure might be put on the joint itself, possibly creating more problems. weight lifting, start with small weights and slowly build to heavier weights. A couple cans of food, or some bottles filled with water may be used as weights. (Note: the following is per bits and pieces from the book " The Chemistry of Man " by Bernard Jensen. Where a page number is listed the information is straight from this book.) As for minerals, to build bone density, the body needs calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, vitamin D, sodium, chlorine and flourine. If calcium salts are lacking in the diet, the calcium reserve in the body is depleted trying to maintain proper calcium balance for metabolism.[pg.124] A carbohydrate diet precipitates calcium from the body at a rapid rate. A diet high in glucose and sugar preparations which lack calcium also robs the body of essential calcium.[pg.125] An elderly person requires not only calcium-containing foods, but also foods rich in sodium and chlorine in order for calcium to be properly utilized. Deficiency of sodium and chlorine salts results in arteriosclerosis and hardenings in many parts of the body.[pg.125] The health of the stomach and intestines determines the extent to which calcium is absorbed.[pg.126] Lactobacillus acidophilus is a nonmotile organism normal to the intestine of humans. The bacterium creates a distinctly acid stool. The acidity produced is believed to aid in the absorption of calcium and the bacterium enhances the intestinal synthesis of B vitamins. Some forms of arthritis respond dramatically to normalization of the flora.[pg.370] In times when calcium is oversupplied and sodium is deficient in the body, there is a tendency to hardening in the body, calcification and ossification. Actually, excess calcium is not the cause of hardening; shortage of sodium, which keeps calcium in solution, and chlorine make calcium content seem higher.[pg.125] It is important to emphasize that calcium excess demands more sodium salts.[pg.129] (Note: Sodium is not to be confused with table salt. The sodium salts recommended are those found in foods high in organic sodium ie. celery, okra, whey. I'll provide a website URL later.) If sodium is lacking, calcium may be excessive by comparison. Advancing years raise requirements for sodium, potassium, chlorine, fluorine, manganese, magnesium and iodine; at the same time, calcium requirements are reduced.[pg.130] I think this is what is going on which contributes to bone density decrease: When sodium in the blood is low then calcium levels cannot be maintained. The calcium drops out of the blood and is excreted from the body or hardens the tissue and forms deposits and bone spurs. If calcium is not being supplied and properly absorbed from the foods eaten then the body takes calcium from the bone to keep blood levels up. But then sodium levels are not sufficient to keep the sodium in the blood. And the process repeats. Stomach acid is required for the body to properly absorb calcium and a number of other nutrients. Some TV advertisements hype the benefit of taking a popular antacid tablet for the calcium that it provides. These tablets are typically made of calcium carbonate, the least absorbable form of calcium for the body. Also, antacid tablets neutralize stomach acid which is required for the absorption of calcium. If you look at the table at http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Program/datadir/FMS_Etiology/fms pres1pg88.php3 (Drugs that deplete vitamins) you will find that calcium is one of the nutrients depleted by long term antacid use. Other nutrients depleted include vitamin-B12, folic acid, vitamin D, iron and zinc. (All these nutrients require stomach acid for absorption.) So, if your taking an antacid tablet thinking that it is providing calcium for your body, it's not. The webpage at http://www.atlantisenergy.net/food_lists.htm (this site is selling some vitamin and mineral products but I am not suggesting that they be taken. There are a couple foods that I think a person should use to supplement dietary needs but for the most part vitamin and minerals should come from food, not a pill, IMO) anyway, I provide this URL because the text and information that this person has put online is taken from Bernard Jensen's book " The Chemistry of Man " (though credit is not given) When you need more of a particular nutrient in your diet, include foods that are good sources for the nutrient. Don't get discouraged. It took years to build up the bone density, it probably took a number of years to lose it, it will take time to restore it. It's not going to happen overnight and it's not going to happen with a pill. But it can be done and you've got the rest of your life to do it in. May God bless you. All the best, Jim Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > can someone tell me if osteoporosis can truly be reversed? > ..or is this a disease that at best... can only be kept (hopefully) > from getting worse? > > jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 thank you for sharing! Here is a link I found for Bernard Jensen freeway.net/~dwelling/health/boneheal.htm I'm confused because I was making bone broths according to WAP www.westonaprice.org but according to Bernard in his book he said that is a bad idea if you have osteo due to the uric acid. He recommends veal joint broth only jen - <clements Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:40 AM Re: CAN OSTEOPOROSIS BE REVERSED?? > > Osteoporosis, IMO, is not a disease; rather it is a state of the > condition of bone density. There are some diseases that can cause > osteoporosis. There is an alarming number of teenagers being > diagnosed as having osteoporosis. Why? In most cases it can be > attributed to poor diet and lack of exercise. It is unfortunate for > a teenager to have osteoporosis since it is the bone density that we > build up in our childhood that sustains us in later years. It's the > law of the harvest: We reap what we sow. > > Can osteoporosis by reversed? I believe that it can be through > exercise and right foods. > > When we use our muscles the body sort of analyzes whether the bone > needs to be strengthen to support the muscle activity. (Common sense > says don't load on more than the bone can handle in its present > condition or on top of osteoporosis a person could then be dealing > with trying to mend a broken bone.) > > Load bearing exercise, such as weight lifting is good. walking is > good. Exercise that involves much bending of the joints can probably > be added after muscles are conditioned, until then too much pressure > might be put on the joint itself, possibly creating more problems. > weight lifting, start with small weights and slowly build to heavier > weights. A couple cans of food, or some bottles filled with water > may be used as weights. > > (Note: the following is per bits and pieces from the book " The > Chemistry of Man " by Bernard Jensen. Where a page number is listed > the information is straight from this book.) > > As for minerals, to build bone density, the body needs calcium, > phosphorus, magnesium, vitamin D, sodium, chlorine and flourine. > > If calcium salts are lacking in the diet, the calcium reserve in the > body is depleted trying to maintain proper calcium balance for > metabolism.[pg.124] > > A carbohydrate diet precipitates calcium from the body at a rapid > rate. A diet high in glucose and sugar preparations which lack > calcium also robs the body of essential calcium.[pg.125] > > An elderly person requires not only calcium-containing foods, but > also foods rich in sodium and chlorine in order for calcium to be > properly utilized. Deficiency of sodium and chlorine salts results > in arteriosclerosis and hardenings in many parts of the body.[pg.125] > > The health of the stomach and intestines determines the extent to > which calcium is absorbed.[pg.126] > > Lactobacillus acidophilus is a nonmotile organism normal to the > intestine of humans. The bacterium creates a distinctly acid stool. > The acidity produced is believed to aid in the absorption of calcium > and the bacterium enhances the intestinal synthesis of B vitamins. > Some forms of arthritis respond dramatically to normalization of the > flora.[pg.370] > > In times when calcium is oversupplied and sodium is deficient in the > body, there is a tendency to hardening in the body, calcification and > ossification. Actually, excess calcium is not the cause of > hardening; shortage of sodium, which keeps calcium in solution, and > chlorine make calcium content seem higher.[pg.125] > > It is important to emphasize that calcium excess demands more sodium > salts.[pg.129] > > (Note: Sodium is not to be confused with table salt. The sodium > salts recommended are those found in foods high in organic sodium ie. > celery, okra, whey. I'll provide a website URL later.) > > If sodium is lacking, calcium may be excessive by comparison. > Advancing years raise requirements for sodium, potassium, chlorine, > fluorine, manganese, magnesium and iodine; at the same time, calcium > requirements are reduced.[pg.130] > > I think this is what is going on which contributes to bone density > decrease: When sodium in the blood is low then calcium levels cannot > be maintained. The calcium drops out of the blood and is excreted > from the body or hardens the tissue and forms deposits and bone > spurs. If calcium is not being supplied and properly absorbed from > the foods eaten then the body takes calcium from the bone to keep > blood levels up. But then sodium levels are not sufficient to keep > the sodium in the blood. And the process repeats. > > Stomach acid is required for the body to properly absorb calcium and > a number of other nutrients. Some TV advertisements hype the benefit > of taking a popular antacid tablet for the calcium that it provides. > These tablets are typically made of calcium carbonate, the least > absorbable form of calcium for the body. Also, antacid tablets > neutralize stomach acid which is required for the absorption of > calcium. If you look at the table at > http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Program/datadir/FMS_Etiology/fms > pres1pg88.php3 (Drugs that deplete vitamins) you will find that > calcium is one of the nutrients depleted by long term antacid use. > Other nutrients depleted include vitamin-B12, folic acid, vitamin D, > iron and zinc. (All these nutrients require stomach acid for > absorption.) So, if your taking an antacid tablet thinking that it > is providing calcium for your body, it's not. > > The webpage at http://www.atlantisenergy.net/food_lists.htm (this > site is selling some vitamin and mineral products but I am not > suggesting that they be taken. There are a couple foods that I think > a person should use to supplement dietary needs but for the most part > vitamin and minerals should come from food, not a pill, IMO) > anyway, I provide this URL because the text and information that this > person has put online is taken from Bernard Jensen's book " The > Chemistry of Man " (though credit is not given) When you need more of > a particular nutrient in your diet, include foods that are good > sources for the nutrient. > > Don't get discouraged. It took years to build up the bone density, > it probably took a number of years to lose it, it will take time to > restore it. It's not going to happen overnight and it's not going to > happen with a pill. But it can be done and you've got the rest of > your life to do it in. May God bless you. > > All the best, > Jim > > > Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > > can someone tell me if osteoporosis can truly be reversed? > > ..or is this a disease that at best... can only be kept (hopefully) > > from getting worse? > > > > jen > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > ........ Gettingwell- > post............. Gettingwell > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 The focus of my studying over the years has been on fibromyalgia, and developing a program to reverse the condition. I believe that ultimately, all physical health issues boil down to 2 things: Health in the navel and marrow in the bones (as is infered in the bible). Our emotional and spiritual health can affect these, which then shows up in our physical health. The navel is key to absorption of nutrients and the marrow is key to blood building and the immune system. The earlier post showed the relationship to stomach acid and a healthy intestinal flora for the absorption of calcium. Per BJ, sodium helps to establish beneficial bacteria in our gut. One food that I suggest as part of FMS program (for the sodium), if the person can tolerate lactose (which is good for feeding intestinal flora), is " Sweet Dairy Whey " . If whey cannot be tolerated see some of the other recommended sodium foods. Most sodium foods are also high in potassium so you do not need to concern yourself too much with upsetting the recommended balance of 2:1 potassium to sodium in our diet. Sea vegetables are closer to 1:1 potassium and sodium, so more potassium foods should probably be added to the diet when taking them. The body excretes 90% of the potassium that it takes in, sodium is retained more. You might be interested in reading what I've written regarding sodium at http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Soapbox/Articles/sodium.html In this article is also a link to where I order whey online at bulkfoods.com. (Most health food stores that carry bulk food items will stock it.) Hit the return button at the bottom of the page and you can see some of the other things I've posted, most related to CFS/FMS but I think there is relevance to many health concerns. Per BJ, it may take 2 - 3 months to replenish a sodium deficiency. All the best, Jim Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > thank you for sharing! > > Here is a link I found for Bernard Jensen > freeway.net/~dwelling/health/boneheal.htm > > I'm confused because I was making bone broths according to WAP > www.westonaprice.org > > but according to Bernard in his book he said that is a bad idea if you have > osteo due to the uric acid. He recommends veal joint broth only > > jen > - > <clements@x...> > > Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:40 AM > Re: CAN OSTEOPOROSIS BE REVERSED?? > > > > > > Osteoporosis, IMO, is not a disease; rather it is a state of the > > condition of bone density. There are some diseases that can cause > > osteoporosis. There is an alarming number of teenagers being > > diagnosed as having osteoporosis. Why? In most cases it can be > > attributed to poor diet and lack of exercise. It is unfortunate for > > a teenager to have osteoporosis since it is the bone density that we > > build up in our childhood that sustains us in later years. It's the > > law of the harvest: We reap what we sow. > > > > Can osteoporosis by reversed? I believe that it can be through > > exercise and right foods. > > > > When we use our muscles the body sort of analyzes whether the bone > > needs to be strengthen to support the muscle activity. (Common sense > > says don't load on more than the bone can handle in its present > > condition or on top of osteoporosis a person could then be dealing > > with trying to mend a broken bone.) > > > > Load bearing exercise, such as weight lifting is good. walking is > > good. Exercise that involves much bending of the joints can probably > > be added after muscles are conditioned, until then too much pressure > > might be put on the joint itself, possibly creating more problems. > > weight lifting, start with small weights and slowly build to heavier > > weights. A couple cans of food, or some bottles filled with water > > may be used as weights. > > > > (Note: the following is per bits and pieces from the book " The > > Chemistry of Man " by Bernard Jensen. Where a page number is listed > > the information is straight from this book.) > > > > As for minerals, to build bone density, the body needs calcium, > > phosphorus, magnesium, vitamin D, sodium, chlorine and flourine. > > > > If calcium salts are lacking in the diet, the calcium reserve in the > > body is depleted trying to maintain proper calcium balance for > > metabolism.[pg.124] > > > > A carbohydrate diet precipitates calcium from the body at a rapid > > rate. A diet high in glucose and sugar preparations which lack > > calcium also robs the body of essential calcium.[pg.125] > > > > An elderly person requires not only calcium-containing foods, but > > also foods rich in sodium and chlorine in order for calcium to be > > properly utilized. Deficiency of sodium and chlorine salts results > > in arteriosclerosis and hardenings in many parts of the body. [pg.125] > > > > The health of the stomach and intestines determines the extent to > > which calcium is absorbed.[pg.126] > > > > Lactobacillus acidophilus is a nonmotile organism normal to the > > intestine of humans. The bacterium creates a distinctly acid stool. > > The acidity produced is believed to aid in the absorption of calcium > > and the bacterium enhances the intestinal synthesis of B vitamins. > > Some forms of arthritis respond dramatically to normalization of the > > flora.[pg.370] > > > > In times when calcium is oversupplied and sodium is deficient in the > > body, there is a tendency to hardening in the body, calcification and > > ossification. Actually, excess calcium is not the cause of > > hardening; shortage of sodium, which keeps calcium in solution, and > > chlorine make calcium content seem higher.[pg.125] > > > > It is important to emphasize that calcium excess demands more sodium > > salts.[pg.129] > > > > (Note: Sodium is not to be confused with table salt. The sodium > > salts recommended are those found in foods high in organic sodium ie. > > celery, okra, whey. I'll provide a website URL later.) > > > > If sodium is lacking, calcium may be excessive by comparison. > > Advancing years raise requirements for sodium, potassium, chlorine, > > fluorine, manganese, magnesium and iodine; at the same time, calcium > > requirements are reduced.[pg.130] > > > > I think this is what is going on which contributes to bone density > > decrease: When sodium in the blood is low then calcium levels cannot > > be maintained. The calcium drops out of the blood and is excreted > > from the body or hardens the tissue and forms deposits and bone > > spurs. If calcium is not being supplied and properly absorbed from > > the foods eaten then the body takes calcium from the bone to keep > > blood levels up. But then sodium levels are not sufficient to keep > > the sodium in the blood. And the process repeats. > > > > Stomach acid is required for the body to properly absorb calcium and > > a number of other nutrients. Some TV advertisements hype the benefit > > of taking a popular antacid tablet for the calcium that it provides. > > These tablets are typically made of calcium carbonate, the least > > absorbable form of calcium for the body. Also, antacid tablets > > neutralize stomach acid which is required for the absorption of > > calcium. If you look at the table at > > http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Program/datadir/FMS_Etiology/fms > > pres1pg88.php3 (Drugs that deplete vitamins) you will find that > > calcium is one of the nutrients depleted by long term antacid use. > > Other nutrients depleted include vitamin-B12, folic acid, vitamin D, > > iron and zinc. (All these nutrients require stomach acid for > > absorption.) So, if your taking an antacid tablet thinking that it > > is providing calcium for your body, it's not. > > > > The webpage at http://www.atlantisenergy.net/food_lists.htm (this > > site is selling some vitamin and mineral products but I am not > > suggesting that they be taken. There are a couple foods that I think > > a person should use to supplement dietary needs but for the most part > > vitamin and minerals should come from food, not a pill, IMO) > > anyway, I provide this URL because the text and information that this > > person has put online is taken from Bernard Jensen's book " The > > Chemistry of Man " (though credit is not given) When you need more of > > a particular nutrient in your diet, include foods that are good > > sources for the nutrient. > > > > Don't get discouraged. It took years to build up the bone density, > > it probably took a number of years to lose it, it will take time to > > restore it. It's not going to happen overnight and it's not going to > > happen with a pill. But it can be done and you've got the rest of > > your life to do it in. May God bless you. > > > > All the best, > > Jim > > > > > > Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > > > can someone tell me if osteoporosis can truly be reversed? > > > ..or is this a disease that at best... can only be kept (hopefully) > > > from getting worse? > > > > > > jen > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and > well being. > > > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > > > ........ Gettingwell- > > post............. Gettingwell > > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 I'm taking goat whey as recommended by Bernard Jensen so I get plenty of sodium there.. not to mention all my minerals jen - <clements Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:07 PM Re: CAN OSTEOPOROSIS BE REVERSED?? > > The focus of my studying over the years has been on fibromyalgia, and > developing a program to reverse the condition. I believe that > ultimately, all physical health issues boil down to 2 things: Health > in the navel and marrow in the bones (as is infered in the bible). > Our emotional and spiritual health can affect these, which then shows > up in our physical health. The navel is key to absorption of > nutrients and the marrow is key to blood building and the immune > system. > > The earlier post showed the relationship to stomach acid and a > healthy intestinal flora for the absorption of calcium. Per BJ, > sodium helps to establish beneficial bacteria in our gut. > > One food that I suggest as part of FMS program (for the sodium), if > the person can tolerate lactose (which is good for feeding intestinal > flora), is " Sweet Dairy Whey " . If whey cannot be tolerated see some > of the other recommended sodium foods. Most sodium foods are also > high in potassium so you do not need to concern yourself too much > with upsetting the recommended balance of 2:1 potassium to sodium in > our diet. Sea vegetables are closer to 1:1 potassium and sodium, so > more potassium foods should probably be added to the diet when taking > them. The body excretes 90% of the potassium that it takes in, > sodium is retained more. > > You might be interested in reading what I've written regarding sodium > at http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Soapbox/Articles/sodium.html > In this article is also a link to where I order whey online at > bulkfoods.com. (Most health food stores that carry bulk food items > will stock it.) Hit the return button at the bottom of the page and > you can see some of the other things I've posted, most related to > CFS/FMS but I think there is relevance to many health concerns. > > Per BJ, it may take 2 - 3 months to replenish a sodium deficiency. > > All the best, > Jim > > Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > > thank you for sharing! > > > > Here is a link I found for Bernard Jensen > > freeway.net/~dwelling/health/boneheal.htm > > > > I'm confused because I was making bone broths according to WAP > > www.westonaprice.org > > > > but according to Bernard in his book he said that is a bad idea if > you have > > osteo due to the uric acid. He recommends veal joint broth only > > > > jen > > - > > <clements@x...> > > > > Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:40 AM > > Re: CAN OSTEOPOROSIS BE REVERSED?? > > > > > > > > > > Osteoporosis, IMO, is not a disease; rather it is a state of the > > > condition of bone density. There are some diseases that can cause > > > osteoporosis. There is an alarming number of teenagers being > > > diagnosed as having osteoporosis. Why? In most cases it can be > > > attributed to poor diet and lack of exercise. It is unfortunate > for > > > a teenager to have osteoporosis since it is the bone density that > we > > > build up in our childhood that sustains us in later years. It's > the > > > law of the harvest: We reap what we sow. > > > > > > Can osteoporosis by reversed? I believe that it can be through > > > exercise and right foods. > > > > > > When we use our muscles the body sort of analyzes whether the bone > > > needs to be strengthen to support the muscle activity. (Common > sense > > > says don't load on more than the bone can handle in its present > > > condition or on top of osteoporosis a person could then be dealing > > > with trying to mend a broken bone.) > > > > > > Load bearing exercise, such as weight lifting is good. walking is > > > good. Exercise that involves much bending of the joints can > probably > > > be added after muscles are conditioned, until then too much > pressure > > > might be put on the joint itself, possibly creating more problems. > > > weight lifting, start with small weights and slowly build to > heavier > > > weights. A couple cans of food, or some bottles filled with water > > > may be used as weights. > > > > > > (Note: the following is per bits and pieces from the book " The > > > Chemistry of Man " by Bernard Jensen. Where a page number is > listed > > > the information is straight from this book.) > > > > > > As for minerals, to build bone density, the body needs calcium, > > > phosphorus, magnesium, vitamin D, sodium, chlorine and flourine. > > > > > > If calcium salts are lacking in the diet, the calcium reserve in > the > > > body is depleted trying to maintain proper calcium balance for > > > metabolism.[pg.124] > > > > > > A carbohydrate diet precipitates calcium from the body at a rapid > > > rate. A diet high in glucose and sugar preparations which lack > > > calcium also robs the body of essential calcium.[pg.125] > > > > > > An elderly person requires not only calcium-containing foods, but > > > also foods rich in sodium and chlorine in order for calcium to be > > > properly utilized. Deficiency of sodium and chlorine salts > results > > > in arteriosclerosis and hardenings in many parts of the body. > [pg.125] > > > > > > The health of the stomach and intestines determines the extent to > > > which calcium is absorbed.[pg.126] > > > > > > Lactobacillus acidophilus is a nonmotile organism normal to the > > > intestine of humans. The bacterium creates a distinctly acid > stool. > > > The acidity produced is believed to aid in the absorption of > calcium > > > and the bacterium enhances the intestinal synthesis of B vitamins. > > > Some forms of arthritis respond dramatically to normalization of > the > > > flora.[pg.370] > > > > > > In times when calcium is oversupplied and sodium is deficient in > the > > > body, there is a tendency to hardening in the body, calcification > and > > > ossification. Actually, excess calcium is not the cause of > > > hardening; shortage of sodium, which keeps calcium in solution, > and > > > chlorine make calcium content seem higher.[pg.125] > > > > > > It is important to emphasize that calcium excess demands more > sodium > > > salts.[pg.129] > > > > > > (Note: Sodium is not to be confused with table salt. The sodium > > > salts recommended are those found in foods high in organic sodium > ie. > > > celery, okra, whey. I'll provide a website URL later.) > > > > > > If sodium is lacking, calcium may be excessive by comparison. > > > Advancing years raise requirements for sodium, potassium, > chlorine, > > > fluorine, manganese, magnesium and iodine; at the same time, > calcium > > > requirements are reduced.[pg.130] > > > > > > I think this is what is going on which contributes to bone density > > > decrease: When sodium in the blood is low then calcium levels > cannot > > > be maintained. The calcium drops out of the blood and is excreted > > > from the body or hardens the tissue and forms deposits and bone > > > spurs. If calcium is not being supplied and properly absorbed > from > > > the foods eaten then the body takes calcium from the bone to keep > > > blood levels up. But then sodium levels are not sufficient to > keep > > > the sodium in the blood. And the process repeats. > > > > > > Stomach acid is required for the body to properly absorb calcium > and > > > a number of other nutrients. Some TV advertisements hype the > benefit > > > of taking a popular antacid tablet for the calcium that it > provides. > > > These tablets are typically made of calcium carbonate, the least > > > absorbable form of calcium for the body. Also, antacid tablets > > > neutralize stomach acid which is required for the absorption of > > > calcium. If you look at the table at > > > > http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Program/datadir/FMS_Etiology/fms > > > pres1pg88.php3 (Drugs that deplete vitamins) you will find that > > > calcium is one of the nutrients depleted by long term antacid use. > > > Other nutrients depleted include vitamin-B12, folic acid, vitamin > D, > > > iron and zinc. (All these nutrients require stomach acid for > > > absorption.) So, if your taking an antacid tablet thinking that > it > > > is providing calcium for your body, it's not. > > > > > > The webpage at http://www.atlantisenergy.net/food_lists.htm (this > > > site is selling some vitamin and mineral products but I am not > > > suggesting that they be taken. There are a couple foods that I > think > > > a person should use to supplement dietary needs but for the most > part > > > vitamin and minerals should come from food, not a pill, IMO) > > > anyway, I provide this URL because the text and information that > this > > > person has put online is taken from Bernard Jensen's book " The > > > Chemistry of Man " (though credit is not given) When you need > more of > > > a particular nutrient in your diet, include foods that are good > > > sources for the nutrient. > > > > > > Don't get discouraged. It took years to build up the bone > density, > > > it probably took a number of years to lose it, it will take time > to > > > restore it. It's not going to happen overnight and it's not > going to > > > happen with a pill. But it can be done and you've got the rest of > > > your life to do it in. May God bless you. > > > > > > All the best, > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > > > > can someone tell me if osteoporosis can truly be reversed? > > > > ..or is this a disease that at best... can only be kept > (hopefully) > > > > from getting worse? > > > > > > > > jen > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building > health and > > well being. > > > > > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > > > > > ........ Gettingwell- > > > post............. Gettingwell > > > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > > > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > > > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > > > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > > > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 ---Jen, According to recent research, it is possible to restore the osteoblasts to their original state. Women who have experienced bone loss have been able to recover using natural progesterone creams and strict dietary guidelines. Of course, this is something that allopathic medicine vehemently denies. The high phosphorus (in dairy and other processed foods) plays a large part in bone loss. Whenever dairy consumption is decreased or eliminated and a good progesterone cream is used there is a definite improvement. However this cannot be done by the addition of calcium supplements alone. It is possible to make the situation worse by taking too much supplemental calcium. Excess calcium is problematic in some instances. Boron and Vitamin D and certain trace minerals play a large part in the recovery process. Regards, JoAnn In Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > can someone tell me if osteoporosis can truly be reversed? > ..or is this a disease that at best... can only be kept (hopefully) > from getting worse? > > jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Thank you Joann ... when you said dairy did you mean pasteurized? What about raw dairy? or did you mean dairy in and of itself? also, what calcium supplement do you recommend? I'm currently taking coral calcium jen - <angelprincessjo Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:01 AM Re: CAN OSTEOPOROSIS BE REVERSED?? > ---Jen, According to recent research, it is possible to restore the > osteoblasts to their original state. > Women who have experienced bone loss have been able to recover using > natural progesterone creams and strict dietary guidelines. Of course, > this is something that allopathic medicine vehemently denies. > The high phosphorus (in dairy and other processed foods) plays a > large part in bone loss. > Whenever dairy consumption is decreased or eliminated and a good > progesterone cream is used there is a definite improvement. > However this cannot be done by the addition of calcium supplements > alone. It is possible to make the situation worse by taking too much > supplemental calcium. Excess calcium is problematic in some instances. > Boron and Vitamin D and certain trace minerals play a large part in > the recovery process. > > Regards, JoAnn > > In Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > > can someone tell me if osteoporosis can truly be reversed? > > ..or is this a disease that at best... can only be kept (hopefully) > > from getting worse? > > > > jen > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > ........ Gettingwell- > post............. Gettingwell > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 ---Jen, Although the Xanthine Oxidase in pasteurized products may be harmful to our arteries, apparently it is the phosphorus content of milk and dairy products that accelerates calcium loss leading to porous bones. Calcium contained in a plant source is well absorbed, because it usually has all the other componenets needed to aid in the absorption of calcium, (i.e. magnesium, etc) and in addition, many other trace nutrients present as well. Make sense? Calcium without magnesium spells trouble as you can see by some of the articles I posted. Directly opposite of what you hear in the media. uh-huh...I know. God Bless, JoAnn In Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > Thank you Joann > .. when you said dairy did you mean pasteurized? > What about raw dairy? > or did you mean dairy in and of itself? > > also, what calcium supplement do you recommend? > I'm currently taking coral calcium > > jen > - > <angelprincessjo> > > Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:01 AM > Re: CAN OSTEOPOROSIS BE REVERSED?? > > > > ---Jen, According to recent research, it is possible to restore the > > osteoblasts to their original state. > > Women who have experienced bone loss have been able to recover using > > natural progesterone creams and strict dietary guidelines. Of course, > > this is something that allopathic medicine vehemently denies. > > The high phosphorus (in dairy and other processed foods) plays a > > large part in bone loss. > > Whenever dairy consumption is decreased or eliminated and a good > > progesterone cream is used there is a definite improvement. > > However this cannot be done by the addition of calcium supplements > > alone. It is possible to make the situation worse by taking too much > > supplemental calcium. Excess calcium is problematic in some instances. > > Boron and Vitamin D and certain trace minerals play a large part in > > the recovery process. > > In Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > > > can someone tell me if osteoporosis can truly be reversed? > > > ..or is this a disease that at best... can only be kept (hopefully) > > > from getting worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Goat's milk whey is good. And, as you know that is recommended by BJ (I hope that he doesn't mind being refered to as BJ :-) )over cow's milk whey because of the better mineral content. When cheese is produced, most of the minerals are left behind in the whey, so cow's milk whey contains minerals as well, though I'm not sure what and how much and how it compares to goat whey. But the mineral that I'm trying to get from the whey is the sodium so I'm not too concerned with the others. I take other foods for other nutrient content. One tablespoon of cow whey provides about 130mg of sodium. I've read somewhere that the goat whey provides about 180mg per tablespoon. The daily recommendation for sodium is about 2 grams and potassium intake should be about 2X this, or about 4 grams. If sodium where only gained from whey this would be about 15 tablespoons of whey daily. But other foods provide sodium too so don't go hog wild on whey. Per another source: we should take about 3 - 6 tablespoons of whey daily to feed the intestinal flora. The canned goat whey product runs about $30/can I get almost three times as much cows whey for under $10. So, purely for monetary reasons, I prefer the cow's milk whey. All the best, Jim Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > I'm taking goat whey as recommended by Bernard Jensen so I get plenty of > sodium there.. not to mention all my minerals > > jen > - > <clements@x...> > > Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:07 PM > Re: CAN OSTEOPOROSIS BE REVERSED?? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Laura This e mail address cannot be delivered. Is it correct? <A HREF= " gentlesurvivalist " >gentlesurvivalist<\ /A> Waddle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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