Guest guest Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 In a message dated 6/13/2002 3:38:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, skybird writes: I think it's incorrect to say that a person with HPV or any other virus "has it forever". This is the crap conventional doctors tell patients because they haven't spent the time to look into this, they prefer to listen to what the drug representative tells them about drugs, they have their lucrative practices to protect and they have you hooked on expensive, harmful drugs that keep you coming back to them for more. I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. I think our bodies are strong enough to beat viruses; just because allopathic doctors haven't developed a way to, doesn't mean it's impossible. Some people have even showed up one day after twenties years no longer HIV positive or with AIDS - let me know if you need the source for this. And who's to say that when you never have a reoccurance again , that the virus is really gone? They're trying to say - it's still there but you just dont have another outbreak. Hmmmm....how can they know for sure? Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 I think it's incorrect to say that a person with HPV or any other virus " has it forever " . This is the crap conventional doctors tell patients because they haven't spent the time to look into this, they prefer to listen to what the drug representative tells them about drugs, they have their lucrative practices to protect and they have you hooked on expensive, harmful drugs that keep you coming back to them for more. Many people have had completely rid themselves of any virus count as indicated from blood tests. You need to find an alternative doctor who uses correct techniques such as ozone or other oxidative therapy, immune stimulation, diet adjustments and vitamin and herbal therapy. The one thing I've learned is to trust no one. You need to study yourself and search the internet for this information. Conventional doctors are about 20 years behind most advancements in medicine. Even among alternative doctors there is a vast array in knowledge and experience. But it is possible to achieve success in overcoming this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 >The one thing I've learned is to trust no one. You need to study >yourself and search the internet for this information. Conventional >doctors are about 20 years behind most advancements in medicine. Even >among alternative doctors there is a vast array in knowledge and >experience. But it is possible to achieve success in overcoming this >problem. Caveat: Trust no-one, *especially* on the Internet! The only thing easier than lying in a print or tv ad is lying on the 'Net; it's cheaper at least. So...Get comfy with the Library of Congress, ask spleenloads of questions, cross-check everything and MOST IMPORTANTLY, find out what the sources of your information are. At least then if you're being lied to, you know " by whom " . No pressure tho...*lol* --Sara httpd://www.boredmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 I think it's incorrect to say that a person with HPV or any other virus "has it forever". I would have to agree that a person with HPV does not have it forever. I was diagnosed with it when I was 22 years old. I had what they call the LEEP procedure and I am 35 now, I haven't had a flare up or anything. Since then, all my pap smears have come back normal. As far as I can remember during that time I don't think my OBGYN prescribed any medications. I have stopped using the "pill" and my periods are normal, now. That's just my experience with HVP. Kristen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2002 Report Share Posted June 16, 2002 I missed the original post on this in one of my "delete" frenzies ;o), but I'd simply like to add that there are NO incurable diseases. Some people are incurable, but their diseases are not. Got the makings of another lecture here LOL. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Marilyn Messina herbal remedies Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:35 PM [herbal remedies] hpv This is nothing to be embarrassed about. HPV is called human papillovirus and once you have it, you will always have it. Men dont usually have many symptoms unless they have a lesion around their genitals. Women are the ones with the problems.It is transferred from one to the other and can cause a woman to have cancer of the cervix. I work in OBGYN and that's one way we can tell if a womans husband is fooling around, her pap will come back with atypical cells, then we do hpv typing and voila'. yes, its also called genital warts. unfortunately, that's the stigma. HPV has a latent phase. example, one could have their first sexual experience at age 20 and be exposed. The virus can remain in the body for an undeterminate amount of time before rearing its ugly head in the form of a lesion, or atypical cells on a pap smear. I've seen little old ladies with cervical cancer from HPV and their husbands have been dead for years. I realize this is not the best news, however there are some excellent ways of controlling it. There is this new treatment called Aldara that actually enhances your own immune system so that it attacks it. there has to be a lesion though. its truly a wonderful thing though. marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 herbal remedies, ErinGJ80@a... wrote: > In a message dated 6/13/2002 3:38:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > skybird@s... writes: > > > > I think it's incorrect to say that a person with HPV or any other > > virus " has it forever " . This is the crap conventional doctors tell > > patients because they haven't spent the time to look into this, they > > prefer to listen to what the drug representative tells them about > > drugs, they have their lucrative practices to protect and they have > > you hooked on expensive, harmful drugs that keep you coming back to > > them for more. > > I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. I think our bodies are strong > enough to beat viruses; just because allopathic doctors haven't developed a > way to, doesn't mean it's impossible. Some people have even showed up > one day after twenties years no longer HIV positive or with AIDS - let me > know if you need the source for this. > > And who's to say that when you never have a reoccurance again , that the > virus is really gone? They're trying to say - it's still there but you just > dont have another outbreak. Hmmmm....how can they know for sure? > > Erin OK...this is the most " hopeful " thing Ive heard since finding out about my sons virus. Ive joined a few clubs on HPV and they all say the same thing. That about 50% of the population has this virus and once you get it theres NO way to get rid of it. For some (mostly the young) this is as close to a death sentenced as you can get. My son for one...at 24 thinks hes doomed to a lonely life, no wife or children because of the stigma attached to this virus. He DOESNT want to pass it on to some unknowing person the way it was passed to him. So....where does he goes for alternative treatment?? How can he get serious about showing them theyre all wrong? The cost of treatment is HORRIBLE!!!!! he has no heath insurance....free clinics treat it like " nothing " ....Someone on another site mentioned " tea tree oil " which my son is trying. But Ive heard that its not that effective. Another is " organic geranium rose oil " ...We havent found any yet but have heard great things about that. Sorry about the ramble.....but when it comes to one of my kids I have to help in any way that I can....Im also sure theres others out there with similar questions... Thanks..... Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 herbal remedies, " Ian Shillington N.D. " <Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote: You deleted my original post??....lol...I feel sooooo unloved now! lol Ya know...I dont know what or who to believe anymore... more than anything else Id like to believe that this is something that can have a happy ending. But one step at a time. This virus can cause emotional distress as well. Like I said earlier, my son is only 24. He really feels his life is over....and for a young man to think he'll never have sex again....this is extremly difficult. He told me that the visible evidence (the warts) is really tuff. Thats what Im trying to find out now. Inexpensive ways to get rid of them. The acid, freezing, etc. can be very painful and leave scars not to mention the cream he used cost $150.00 a tube and they came back. Thanks again... Sue > I missed the original post on this in one of my " delete " frenzies ;o), > but I'd simply like to add that there are NO incurable diseases. > > Some people are incurable, but their diseases are not. > > Got the makings of another lecture here LOL. > > Love, > > Doc > > Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. > 505-772-5889 > Dr.IanShillington@G... > - > Marilyn Messina > herbal remedies > Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:35 PM > [herbal remedies] hpv > > > This is nothing to be embarrassed about. HPV is called human > papillovirus and once you have it, you will always have it. Men dont > usually have many symptoms unless they have a lesion around their > genitals. Women are the ones with the problems.It is transferred from > one to the other and can cause a woman to have cancer of the cervix. I > work in OBGYN and that's one way we can tell if a womans husband is > fooling around, her pap will come back with atypical cells, then we do > hpv typing and voila'. > yes, its also called genital warts. unfortunately, that's the stigma. > HPV has a latent phase. example, one could have their first sexual > experience at age 20 and be exposed. The virus can remain in the body > for an undeterminate amount of time before rearing its ugly head in the > form of a lesion, or atypical cells on a pap smear. I've seen little old > ladies with cervical cancer from HPV and their husbands have been dead > for years. > I realize this is not the best news, however there are some excellent > ways of controlling it. There is this new treatment called Aldara that > actually enhances your own immune system so that it attacks it. there > has to be a lesion though. > its truly a wonderful thing though. > > marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2002 Report Share Posted June 22, 2002 Forget all that convential tripe. Find an alternative doctor and/or educate yourselves. Here are some suggestions: Research your diet, nutrition and exercize to maximize your immune system. Get some oxidative therapy. http://www.oxygenhealingtherapies.com/sitemap.html Use essential oils to prevent an outbreak. http://www.essential-nz.com/ Use liquid olive leaf extract. http://www.herbalhealer.com Use colloidal silver to prevent attacks. Make it or buy it. Use 4H tea from Herbal Healer, it's cheap. http://www.herbalhealer.com Do a liver flush. Lots of methods for this, search the internet. Try this as another oxidative therapy. http://www.superoxy.com/benefits.asp Do something to keep your emotions uptone. A lot of doctors do not know about some of simplest things that will keep you healthy. They are not necessarily culpable just kind of clueless. Keep searching the internet for more info and you'll be successful. ------------------------------ herbal remedies, " smccoy6789 " <smccoy6789> wrote: > herbal remedies, " Ian Shillington N.D. " > <Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote: > > You deleted my original post??....lol...I feel sooooo unloved now! lol > Ya know...I dont know what or who to believe anymore... more than > anything else Id like to believe that this is something that can > have a happy ending. But one step at a time. This virus can cause > emotional distress as well. Like I said earlier, my son is only 24. > He really feels his life is over....and for a young man to think > he'll never have sex again....this is extremly difficult. He told me > that the visible evidence (the warts) is really tuff. Thats what Im > trying to find out now. Inexpensive ways to get rid of them. The > acid, freezing, etc. can be very painful and leave scars not to > mention the cream he used cost $150.00 a tube and they came back. > Thanks again... > Sue > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 These virus things are tricky. I know that there will be a sure cure for most of these -- in fact it already exists but government pressure is keeping it from further development. Good diet, sunshine, and even morale boosting all will do a lot to keep viruses under control, and i'm sure in some cases will eliminate them. With things like herpes and HPV, one often does not know for sure when one has been eliminated from the body. There will be reliable electrical therapies developed for this. These won't cost much. Every virus resonates to a particular electrical frequency, and when that is found, the virus will self-destruct permanently. I have visited with researchers in Germany who have this down fairly well. So there is hope. The search terms and things you want to listen for in conversation are " electromedicine " , " Royal Rife " , " TENS " , and " Rife technology " . These people largely have to stay underground at the moment, but eventually you will make contact with someone who can help if you are diligent and discreet. At 01:23 PM 6/21/02 -0000, you wrote: > >OK...this is the most " hopeful " thing Ive heard since finding out >about my sons virus. Ive joined a few clubs on HPV and they all say >the same thing. That about 50% of the population has this virus and >once you get it theres NO way to get rid of it. For some (mostly the >young) this is as close to a death sentenced as you can get. My son >for one...at 24 thinks hes doomed to a lonely life, no wife or >children because of the stigma attached to this virus. He DOESNT want >to pass it on to some unknowing person the way it was passed to him. >So....where does he goes for alternative treatment?? How can he get >serious about showing them theyre all wrong? The cost of treatment is >HORRIBLE!!!!! he has no heath insurance....free clinics treat it >like " nothing " ....Someone on another site mentioned " tea tree oil " >which my son is trying. But Ive heard that its not that effective. >Another is " organic geranium rose oil " ...We havent found any yet but >have heard great things about that. >Sorry about the ramble.....but when it comes to one of my kids I have >to help in any way that I can....Im also sure theres others out there >with similar questions... >Thanks..... >Sue > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Dear Sue, Well, please don't feel unloved ;o), as it is certainly not the case. I simply have a compulsive delete key. LOL When it comes to viruses, we are getting into another area of research that I'm currently into but have not even nearly completed yet. In actuality, I've only scratched the surface, but need a lab (which I don't have yet) to verify the theories. I'm calling this research "Viral-Counter-Viral Technology" or VCVT. The idea has been considered and thought of and written about by at least one other person but absolutely NO ONE has done any research in this area TO MY KNOWLEDGE. The concept is this: Use Fire to fight Fire, or use one virus to combat another virus. Viruses are very, very small in most cases, and what better tool to use against one nano virus than another nano virus which is antagonistic or cannibalistic to the virus we want to get rid of. The trick is to use a "Counter Virus" which is not antagonistic to the human body, but which will eat the offending virus which is being the problem. IE. Canine Parvovirus which is not dangerous or antagonistic to humans, may possibly wipe out HIV, Ebola, or any number of other viri which are deadly to us. Get the idea??? The potentials are so exciting, I wish I had a million bucks to just build my own lab and get started NOW!!! ;o) LOL Ah well, I should be able to do this by renting lab space in about 3 years. Unlike the Medicos, of course I intend to make this data available to all, make it as cheap as all hell, and set it up so that any housewife could whup up a batch in her kitchen sink ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!! Until, I get to this research in a serious way (possibly as much as 5 years down the road on the outside), we'll just have to keep using the tools we have been = Echinacea, Garlic by the ton, Poke Root, Chaparral, etc. to knock these things out. And make no mistake about it, these herbal prearations will knock 'em out if used correctly. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - smccoy6789 herbal remedies Friday, June 21, 2002 7:45 AM [herbal remedies] Re: hpv herbal remedies, "Ian Shillington N.D." <Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote:You deleted my original post??....lol...I feel sooooo unloved now! lolYa know...I dont know what or who to believe anymore... more than anything else Id like to believe that this is something that can have a happy ending. But one step at a time. This virus can cause emotional distress as well. Like I said earlier, my son is only 24. He really feels his life is over....and for a young man to think he'll never have sex again....this is extremly difficult. He told me that the visible evidence (the warts) is really tuff. Thats what Im trying to find out now. Inexpensive ways to get rid of them. The acid, freezing, etc. can be very painful and leave scars not to mention the cream he used cost $150.00 a tube and they came back.Thanks again...Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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