Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Hey Guys! I have this friend with stomach problems (this being a different friend from the last guy with GERD) -- he has bad acid reflux, his stomach is easily upset by many different foods, and he has had ulcers in the past (and he isn't 30 yet, poor guy). I wanted to make him a tincture that would hopefully allay his problems at least enough so that he can take a little less of the acid-suppressant medications he's on, and marshmallow root and ginger came to mind as good herbs for this. Do these make a good tincture together? Also, he's a former alcoholic, so I have to use either vinegar or glycerin for the tincture--which is better, do you think? Lastly (as if that wasn't enough!), can anybody recommend a good tea for me to offer him? Thanks so much! --Sara Thustra, just doing this for the sake of his awesome band...! *lolol* httpd://www.boredmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 > vinegar or glycerin for the tincture--which is better, do you think? Sara Thustra, > The answer to this question is of great interest to me, as I've made up a glycerine marshmallow root powder tincture about 2 months ago. I used the folllowing proportions: 48oz of a 60% glycerine and 40% distilled water mixed with 4oz of powdered root. Very thick, too thick? I haven't actually used it yet, as I am having a hard time telling whether or not it has spoiled. (I had always used everclear for tinctures before this). It is intended to be used for as kitty hairball relief. I had always mixed up fresh before, but thought this might make life easier. at the same time, I also a few others, dandelion leaf, and hawthorn leaf and berry tinctures, with the same proportions and same concerns over spoilage. so, still pushing capsules, advice will be much appreciated. Maggie avid lurker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 Hi Sarah, Filipendula ulmaria otherwise known as Queen of the Meadow or Meadowsweet is the gastrointestinal relaxant that is indicated for all forms of digestive overactivity. It protects the gastric lining and reduces stomach acidity by depressing hydrochloric acid formation so is worth adding to your tincture. Your tincture should be glycerine based as the vinegar is a mild acid that may further irritate an already irritated gastric mucosa. Cheers Karen tv_is_a_drug [tv_is_a_drug] On Behalf Of Sara Thustra Monday, June 24, 2002 9:38 AM herbal remedies ; WiseWomanHerbal [herbal remedies] Marsh. Root Tincture? Hey Guys! I have this friend with stomach problems (this being a different friend from the last guy with GERD) -- he has bad acid reflux, his stomach is easily upset by many different foods, and he has had ulcers in the past (and he isn't 30 yet, poor guy). I wanted to make him a tincture that would hopefully allay his problems at least enough so that he can take a little less of the acid-suppressant medications he's on, and marshmallow root and ginger came to mind as good herbs for this. Do these make a good tincture together? Also, he's a former alcoholic, so I have to use either vinegar or glycerin for the tincture--which is better, do you think? Lastly (as if that wasn't enough!), can anybody recommend a good tea for me to offer him? Thanks so much! --Sara Thustra, just doing this for the sake of his awesome band...! *lolol* httpd://www.boredmail.com Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 <<vinegar is a mild acid that may further irritate an already irritated gastric mucosa>> Apple cider vineagar is alkaline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 Thanks so much Karen, for the excellent info! If you don't mind, your reply has prompted a question that I'd like to ask you/everybody. Regarding the suppression/depression of acid production in the stomach, I have heard that one of the reasons that GERD/Acid Reflux can become a chronic condition like my friend has is due to medications (like the ones he's on) which depress acid production, causing a " rebound " effect, where the body feels that it isn't producing enough acid and keeps trying to crank out more. (Rather like the acne equasion, I thought: Oily skin = acne = strong drying medications = skin produces more oil = more acne.) Considering how much medicine friend #2 here has to take just to feel okay, my aim in making him a tincture ( & some tea) to take was to decrease his reliance on acid-suppressive substances and hopefully give his guts a chance to normalize a bit. Would the acid-depressing properties of meadowsweet (which sounds like a great herb, and I thank you for bringing it to my attention), interfere with this? Thanks again, Sara >Hi Sarah, >Filipendula ulmaria otherwise known as Queen of the Meadow or >Meadowsweet is the gastrointestinal relaxant that is indicated for all >forms of digestive overactivity. It protects the gastric lining and >reduces stomach acidity by depressing hydrochloric acid formation so is >worth adding to your tincture. Your tincture should be glycerine based >as the vinegar is a mild acid that may further irritate an already >irritated gastric mucosa. >Cheers Karen > > >tv_is_a_drug [tv_is_a_drug] On >Behalf Of Sara Thustra >Monday, June 24, 2002 9:38 AM >herbal remedies ; WiseWomanHerbal >[herbal remedies] Marsh. Root Tincture? > >Hey Guys! I have this friend with stomach problems (this being a >different >friend from the last guy with GERD) -- he has bad acid reflux, his >stomach >is easily upset by many different foods, and he has had ulcers in the >past >(and he isn't 30 yet, poor guy). I wanted to make him a tincture that >would hopefully allay his problems at least enough so that he can take a >little less of the acid-suppressant medications he's on, and marshmallow >root and ginger came to mind as good herbs for this. Do these make a >good >tincture together? Also, he's a former alcoholic, so I have to use >either >vinegar or glycerin for the tincture--which is better, do you think? > >Lastly (as if that wasn't enough!), can anybody recommend a good tea for >me >to offer him? > >Thanks so much! > >--Sara Thustra, just doing this for the sake of his awesome band...! >*lolol* >httpd://www.boredmail.com > >Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: >1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. >2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural >remedy. >3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician >and to >prescribe for your own health. >We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long >as >they behave themselves. >Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any >person >following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. >It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products >from list members, you are agreeing to >be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and >members free of any liability. > >Dr. Ian Shillington >Doctor of Naturopathy >Dr.IanShillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 I learned from one of my profs the other day that ulcers are caused by a bacteria. It's a pretty odd combination of very specific antibiotics (and it's " modern " medicine), but they can make it go away forever. I know this isn't what you asked for, but maybe it will help if he doesn't know about it. -L --- Sara Thustra <tv_is_a_drug wrote: > and he has had ulcers in the past > (and he isn't 30 yet, poor guy). - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 Hi Sarah, That’s a good question for sure. It is absolutely possible that the acid reducing medications have created a rebound situation where even more HCI is secreted and should be considered when treating. As for using the Filipendula to continue to reduce gastric acid secretion, I believe it reduces the secretion because of its astringent action. I think its indicated because you want to give the mucosa a chance to heal and repair itself initially as you work towards identifying and treating the underlying cause. Filipendula also protects the gastro-intestinal lining has an anti-inflammatory and pain relieving actions and its available as a tea. Slippery elm also comes to mind when I think of your friends condition and Vitamin A. Cheers Karen tv_is_a_drug [tv_is_a_drug] On Behalf Of Sara Thustra Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:47 AM To: herbal remedies RE: [herbal remedies] Marsh. Root Tincture? Thanks so much Karen, for the excellent info! If you don't mind, your reply has prompted a question that I'd like to ask you/everybody. Regarding the suppression/depression of acid production in the stomach, I have heard that one of the reasons that GERD/Acid Reflux can become a chronic condition like my friend has is due to medications (like the ones he's on) which depress acid production, causing a " rebound " effect, where the body feels that it isn't producing enough acid and keeps trying to crank out more. (Rather like the acne equasion, I thought: Oily skin = acne = strong drying medications = skin produces more oil = more acne.) Considering how much medicine friend #2 here has to take just to feel okay, my aim in making him a tincture ( & some tea) to take was to decrease his reliance on acid-suppressive substances and hopefully give his guts a chance to normalize a bit. Would the acid-depressing properties of meadowsweet (which sounds like a great herb, and I thank you for bringing it to my attention), interfere with this? Thanks again, Sara >Hi Sarah, >Filipendula ulmaria otherwise known as Queen of the Meadow or >Meadowsweet is the gastrointestinal relaxant that is indicated for all >forms of digestive overactivity. It protects the gastric lining and >reduces stomach acidity by depressing hydrochloric acid formation so is >worth adding to your tincture. Your tincture should be glycerine based >as the vinegar is a mild acid that may further irritate an already >irritated gastric mucosa. >Cheers Karen > > >tv_is_a_drug [tv_is_a_drug] On >Behalf Of Sara Thustra >Monday, June 24, 2002 9:38 AM >herbal remedies ; WiseWomanHerbal >[herbal remedies] Marsh. Root Tincture? > >Hey Guys! I have this friend with stomach problems (this being a >different >friend from the last guy with GERD) -- he has bad acid reflux, his >stomach >is easily upset by many different foods, and he has had ulcers in the >past >(and he isn't 30 yet, poor guy). I wanted to make him a tincture that >would hopefully allay his problems at least enough so that he can take a >little less of the acid-suppressant medications he's on, and marshmallow >root and ginger came to mind as good herbs for this. Do these make a >good >tincture together? Also, he's a former alcoholic, so I have to use >either >vinegar or glycerin for the tincture--which is better, do you think? > >Lastly (as if that wasn't enough!), can anybody recommend a good tea for >me >to offer him? > >Thanks so much! > >--Sara Thustra, just doing this for the sake of his awesome band...! >*lolol* >httpd://www.boredmail.com > >Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: >1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. >2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural >remedy. >3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician >and to >prescribe for your own health. >We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long >as >they behave themselves. >Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any >person >following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. >It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products >from list members, you are agreeing to >be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and >members free of any liability. > >Dr. Ian Shillington >Doctor of Naturopathy >Dr.IanShillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 Hmmm I was under the impression that it was a weak acid (acetic acid) whose conjugate base has a strong alkalinizing effect at a cellular level. JayTownsend [JayTownsend] Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:41 AM To: herbal remedies Re: [herbal remedies] Marsh. Root Tincture? <<vinegar is a mild acid that may further irritate an already irritated gastric mucosa>> Apple cider vineagar is alkaline. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 Hi all, I am new to this group, but thought I might respond to this topic. I had a terrible time with this same problem not too long ago, but I am happy to say that I am feeling much better. Since I am new to the herbal idea (hence..why I have joined this group) I can't say that I took anything herbal to fix my problem, but I can tell you that I did stop taking the meds that were prescribed to me, because I felt I was take too much. I was eating Tums like candy all day and also taking meds. I did however, cut down on caffeine, and a few other known triggers, drank lots of water, and gradually cut the meds. I guess what I am saying is that I truly believe in the rebound effect for sure in my case, and wish I had some herbal help last year when I was going through it. Good luck to your friend. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 Thanks a million, Karen! If you don't mind my asking, why is Vitamin A a good idea? I believe you and all; I'm just curious. --ST >Hi Sarah, >That's a good question for sure. It is absolutely possible that the acid >reducing medications have created a rebound situation where even more >HCI is secreted and should be considered when treating. As for using the >Filipendula to continue to reduce gastric acid secretion, I believe it >reduces the secretion because of its astringent action. I think its >indicated because you want to give the mucosa a chance to heal and >repair itself initially as you work towards identifying and treating the >underlying cause. Filipendula also protects the gastro-intestinal lining >has an anti-inflammatory and pain relieving actions and its available as >a tea. Slippery elm also comes to mind when I think of your friends >condition and Vitamin A. >Cheers Karen > > > >tv_is_a_drug [tv_is_a_drug] On >Behalf Of Sara Thustra >Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:47 AM >herbal remedies >RE: [herbal remedies] Marsh. Root Tincture? > >Thanks so much Karen, for the excellent info! If you don't mind, your >reply has prompted a question that I'd like to ask you/everybody. > >Regarding the suppression/depression of acid production in the stomach, >I >have heard that one of the reasons that GERD/Acid Reflux can become a >chronic condition like my friend has is due to medications (like the >ones >he's on) which depress acid production, causing a " rebound " effect, >where >the body feels that it isn't producing enough acid and keeps trying to >crank out more. (Rather like the acne equasion, I thought: Oily skin = >acne = strong drying medications = skin produces more oil = more acne.) >Considering how much medicine friend #2 here has to take just to feel >okay, >my aim in making him a tincture ( & some tea) to take was to decrease his >reliance on acid-suppressive substances and hopefully give his guts a >chance to normalize a bit. Would the acid-depressing properties of >meadowsweet (which sounds like a great herb, and I thank you for >bringing >it to my attention), interfere with this? > >Thanks again, >Sara > >>Hi Sarah, >>Filipendula ulmaria otherwise known as Queen of the Meadow or >>Meadowsweet is the gastrointestinal relaxant that is indicated for all >>forms of digestive overactivity. It protects the gastric lining and >>reduces stomach acidity by depressing hydrochloric acid formation so is >>worth adding to your tincture. Your tincture should be glycerine based >>as the vinegar is a mild acid that may further irritate an already >>irritated gastric mucosa. >>Cheers Karen >> >> >>tv_is_a_drug [tv_is_a_drug] On >>Behalf Of Sara Thustra >>Monday, June 24, 2002 9:38 AM >>herbal remedies ; WiseWomanHerbal >>[herbal remedies] Marsh. Root Tincture? >> >>Hey Guys! I have this friend with stomach problems (this being a >>different >>friend from the last guy with GERD) -- he has bad acid reflux, his >>stomach >>is easily upset by many different foods, and he has had ulcers in the >>past >>(and he isn't 30 yet, poor guy). I wanted to make him a tincture that >>would hopefully allay his problems at least enough so that he can take >a >>little less of the acid-suppressant medications he's on, and >marshmallow >>root and ginger came to mind as good herbs for this. Do these make a >>good >>tincture together? Also, he's a former alcoholic, so I have to use >>either >>vinegar or glycerin for the tincture--which is better, do you think? >> >>Lastly (as if that wasn't enough!), can anybody recommend a good tea >for >>me >>to offer him? >> >>Thanks so much! >> >>--Sara Thustra, just doing this for the sake of his awesome band...! >>*lolol* >>httpd://www.boredmail.com >> >>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: >>1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. >>2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural >>remedy. >>3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician >>and to >>prescribe for your own health. >>We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as >long >>as >>they behave themselves. >>Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any >>person >>following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. >>It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products >>from list members, you are agreeing to >>be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and >>members free of any liability. >> >>Dr. Ian Shillington >>Doctor of Naturopathy >>Dr.IanShillington >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 Hi Sarah, Vitamin A plays a vital role in the health of mucous membrane so it is always worth considering for respiratory, gastro-intestinal and female reproductive conditions where you want to facilitate healing. Lots of people tell me about their parents giving them cod liver oil as kids to ward off colds and they did so because its high in Vit A. Glad I could help. Karen tv_is_a_drug [tv_is_a_drug] On Behalf Of Sara Thustra Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:25 AM To: herbal remedies RE: [herbal remedies] Marsh. Root Tincture? Thanks a million, Karen! If you don't mind my asking, why is Vitamin A a good idea? I believe you and all; I'm just curious. --ST >Hi Sarah, >That's a good question for sure. It is absolutely possible that the acid >reducing medications have created a rebound situation where even more >HCI is secreted and should be considered when treating. As for using the >Filipendula to continue to reduce gastric acid secretion, I believe it >reduces the secretion because of its astringent action. I think its >indicated because you want to give the mucosa a chance to heal and >repair itself initially as you work towards identifying and treating the >underlying cause. Filipendula also protects the gastro-intestinal lining >has an anti-inflammatory and pain relieving actions and its available as >a tea. Slippery elm also comes to mind when I think of your friends >condition and Vitamin A. >Cheers Karen > > > >tv_is_a_drug [tv_is_a_drug] On >Behalf Of Sara Thustra >Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:47 AM >herbal remedies >RE: [herbal remedies] Marsh. Root Tincture? > >Thanks so much Karen, for the excellent info! If you don't mind, your >reply has prompted a question that I'd like to ask you/everybody. > >Regarding the suppression/depression of acid production in the stomach, >I >have heard that one of the reasons that GERD/Acid Reflux can become a >chronic condition like my friend has is due to medications (like the >ones >he's on) which depress acid production, causing a " rebound " effect, >where >the body feels that it isn't producing enough acid and keeps trying to >crank out more. (Rather like the acne equasion, I thought: Oily skin = >acne = strong drying medications = skin produces more oil = more acne.) >Considering how much medicine friend #2 here has to take just to feel >okay, >my aim in making him a tincture ( & some tea) to take was to decrease his >reliance on acid-suppressive substances and hopefully give his guts a >chance to normalize a bit. Would the acid-depressing properties of >meadowsweet (which sounds like a great herb, and I thank you for >bringing >it to my attention), interfere with this? > >Thanks again, >Sara > >>Hi Sarah, >>Filipendula ulmaria otherwise known as Queen of the Meadow or >>Meadowsweet is the gastrointestinal relaxant that is indicated for all >>forms of digestive overactivity. It protects the gastric lining and >>reduces stomach acidity by depressing hydrochloric acid formation so is >>worth adding to your tincture. Your tincture should be glycerine based >>as the vinegar is a mild acid that may further irritate an already >>irritated gastric mucosa. >>Cheers Karen >> >> >>tv_is_a_drug [tv_is_a_drug] On >>Behalf Of Sara Thustra >>Monday, June 24, 2002 9:38 AM >>herbal remedies ; WiseWomanHerbal >>[herbal remedies] Marsh. Root Tincture? >> >>Hey Guys! I have this friend with stomach problems (this being a >>different >>friend from the last guy with GERD) -- he has bad acid reflux, his >>stomach >>is easily upset by many different foods, and he has had ulcers in the >>past >>(and he isn't 30 yet, poor guy). I wanted to make him a tincture that >>would hopefully allay his problems at least enough so that he can take >a >>little less of the acid-suppressant medications he's on, and >marshmallow >>root and ginger came to mind as good herbs for this. Do these make a >>good >>tincture together? Also, he's a former alcoholic, so I have to use >>either >>vinegar or glycerin for the tincture--which is better, do you think? >> >>Lastly (as if that wasn't enough!), can anybody recommend a good tea >for >>me >>to offer him? >> >>Thanks so much! >> >>--Sara Thustra, just doing this for the sake of his awesome band...! >>*lolol* >>httpd://www.boredmail.com >> >>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: >>1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. >>2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural >>remedy. >>3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician >>and to >>prescribe for your own health. >>We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as >long >>as >>they behave themselves. >>Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any >>person >>following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. >>It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products >>from list members, you are agreeing to >>be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and >>members free of any liability. >> >>Dr. Ian Shillington >>Doctor of Naturopathy >>Dr.IanShillington >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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