Osteo-arthritis

August 11, 2002

I understand David Winston has a protocal that helps

Mitral valve prolapse. It is based on Night blooming

cyreus (sp?). If you do a search under his name and

herbalist his site should come up. My wife has the mvp

as well and has just bought some of his formula and

will start taking it next week. We have also traced

palpatations to sour foods/drinks such as cranberry

juice as triggers. according to ayuvedic medicine

palpatations will be worse during the summer do to the

relationships of heart and the summer season. You may

also want to give acupuncture a shot for the pain and

swelling in the joints as well as the palpations.

b

--- N Snelson <az_nate wrote:

> Hey all. I've been lurking for a while but I'll

> jump

> in with a post.

>

> I'm 28 and have arthritis in my knees due to

> basically

> the samething where I've worn them out. I've had

> multiple knee injuries (all dumb wihtout exciting

> stories to tell) which has stripped the bursas

> (bursii?) which cushion. I also have Marfan's

> Syndrome which is a genetic disorder that causes

> elongated limbs and extra height (and many other

> annoying ailments). I grew so fast that one leg is

> ever so slightly shorter than the other which caused

> wear and tear from my body trying to compensate.

> Throw in scoliosis just for fun. I lived with

> chronic

> pain for 14 years until I finally went to a

> chiropractor who was able to figure it all out.

> Allopaths wouldn't even investigate and would only

> prescribe pain killers which I wouldn't take for

> love

> of my kidneys and liver.

>

> Eesh. This wasn't supposed to be so whiney.

>

> Anyhow, beside the heel lift to correct the length

> difference in my legs (makes a huge difference) I

> use

> an arnica gel on my knees when the pain is too bad.

> It takes the edge off so that I don't even notice

> the

> normal pain and also helps to reduce swelling. My

> mother has arthritis in her hands and started using

> the same gel and loves it. There are multiple

> brands

> and seem to work about the same. I prefer the gels

> as

> opposed to the creams as the gel isn't greasy and

> dries clear.

>

> Since I'm posting, I was recently diagnosed with

> mitral valve prolapse which is common with Marfan's

> so

> wasn't horribly surprising. Anyone have any

> suggestions on ways of lessening the amount of or

> severity of heart palpitations? They can be quite

> disconcerting and unsettling. They're not life

> threatening but they do make me light headed and

> wipe

> me out.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Nate

>

> --- iris054 <clicker wrote:

> > I finally got my insurance reinstated, and then

> went

> > to a bone

> > specialist, as we've discussed here. What's wrong

> > with my left

> > thumb, at the last joint before the wrist (it's

> > screaming in pain so

> > bad I can't sleep) turns out to be

> osteo-arthritis.

> > IOW, the doc

> > said I " wore it out " . It's bone on bone with no

> > cartilage left.

>

> <truncated>

>

> > Now, I'm open to suggestions. Have any of you

> found

> > something that

> > helps you cope with arthritis?

> >

> > Melinda

> >

>

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August 11, 2002

Hi Nate,

I would suggest you either supplement

Magnesium (in the chelated form) or eat some Magnesium

rich foods and avoid caffeine as well as looking into a cardiac herbal mix. Magnesium

promotes smooth muscle relaxation and will help calm an irritated heart muscle

that is having ectopic beats. Caffeine among other

things increases the kidneys excretion of Magnesium.

Karen

N Snelson

[az_nate]

Sunday, August 11, 2002

12:41 AM

To:

herbal remedies

Re: [herbal remedies]

Osteo-arthritis

Hey all. I've been lurking for a while but I'll

jump

in with a post.

I'm 28 and have arthritis in my knees due to

basically

the samething where I've worn them out. I've

had

multiple knee injuries (all dumb wihtout exciting

stories to tell) which has stripped the bursas

(bursii?) which cushion. I also have

Marfan's

Syndrome which is a genetic disorder that causes

elongated limbs and extra height (and many other

annoying ailments). I grew so fast that one

leg is

ever so slightly shorter than the other which

caused

wear and tear from my body trying to compensate.

Throw in scoliosis just for fun. I lived

with chronic

pain for 14 years until I finally went to a

chiropractor who was able to figure it all out.

Allopaths wouldn't even investigate and would only

prescribe pain killers which I wouldn't take for

love

of my kidneys and liver.

Eesh. This wasn't supposed to be so whiney.

Anyhow, beside the heel lift to correct the length

difference in my legs (makes a huge difference) I

use

an arnica gel on my knees when the pain is too

bad.

It takes the edge off so that I don't even notice

the

normal pain and also helps to reduce

swelling. My

mother has arthritis in her hands and started

using

the same gel and loves it. There are

multiple brands

and seem to work about the same. I prefer

the gels as

opposed to the creams as the gel isn't greasy and

dries clear.

Since I'm posting, I was recently diagnosed with

mitral valve prolapse which is common with

Marfan's so

wasn't horribly surprising. Anyone have any

suggestions on ways of lessening the amount of or

severity of heart palpitations? They can be

quite

disconcerting and unsettling. They're not

life

threatening but they do make me light headed and

wipe

me out.

Thanks!

Nate

--- iris054 <clicker wrote:

> I finally got my insurance reinstated, and

then went

> to a bone

> specialist, as we've discussed here.

What's wrong

> with my left

> thumb, at the last joint before the wrist

(it's

> screaming in pain so

> bad I can't sleep) turns out to be

osteo-arthritis.

> IOW, the doc

> said I " wore it out " . It's

bone on bone with no

> cartilage left.

> Now, I'm open to suggestions. Have any

of you found

> something that

> helps you cope with arthritis?

>

> Melinda

>

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Federal Law requires that we

warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

before using any natural remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as long as

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August 11, 2002

Hi Nate,

Thanks for the tip about the arnica gel. I'll get some! I'm sorry

about all your other problems... e-hugs!

For heart, the first thing that comes to mind is Hawthorne -- often

Hawthorne syrup is prescribed; please look it up on the web as I'm

not an expert in this, but I did look into it for a friend who was

having heart problems and over and over Hawthorne came up. Heart

palpitations can also be relieved by Valerian. I'm sure Doc can

advise you better about such an important topic, though.

Melinda

August 12, 2002

MSM and apple cider vinegar work for me.

Suzi

iris054 wrote:

I finally got my insurance reinstated, and then went to a bone specialist, as we've discussed here. What's wrong with my left thumb, at the last joint before the wrist (it's screaming in pain so bad I can't sleep) turns out to be osteo-arthritis. IOW, the doc said I "wore it out". It's bone on bone with no cartilage left. Sheesh. (I'm not THAT old, am I?) So, she gives me a brace to wear and says ice it (so far, so good), then gives me Celebrex, an anti-inflammatory (hmmmm). No other advice. She was kind of a hit-and-run, wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am sort of doctor -- whoosh! She was gone. Rack 'em, stack 'em. (Marcus Welby, where are you?)I stopped at the HFS on my way home and loaded up: whey powder for protein, Green Magma (barley grass powder), and a good chondroitan, glucosamine, MSM capsule. While I was there, I stopped at their "bar" and got a really yummy juice for my lunch -- organic wheatgrass, carrot and apple -- yumm! I came home and phoned the doctor's nurse, and she told me where to look on the web for all the things the doc didn't have time (apparently) to tell me. It told me if this doesn't work, then it's prednisone injected into the joint (doesn't sound like a good idea to me). If that doesn't work, then it's surgery. If that doesn't work, too darned bad. Then I looked up "herbs osteoarthritis" and got so many suggestions I'd have to win the lottery just to try them all. I already had gotten some emu oil, and at least for me it doesn't help. Now, I'm open to suggestions. Have any of you found something that helps you cope with arthritis?Melinda

August 13, 2002

herbal remedies, " skybyrd51 " <skybird@s...> wrote:

> Some people require as much as 20 grams of MSM to kick in and

relieve

> the arthritis.

>

Thank you. I'll load up, then.

Melinda

August 15, 2002

Hi my name is Edmund Wronski.

First I want to say that this group is really great,

full people who help each other.

About osteo-arthritis I think that all of you who have that problem can try

a juice from Aloe Vera by Forever Living Products, Inc.. " Forever Freedom "

Forever Freedom is a natural supplement drink that helps fight the joint

pain and stiffness associated with aging, injury, and osteoarthritis.

Freedom contains a powerful mixture of aloe vera, glucosamine, chondroitin,

MSM and vitamin C. Together, these ingredients help nourish and maintain the

cartilage tissue and surrounding fluid that are essential for healthy joint

function and mobility.

Now I drink another juice from Aloe Vera, just Aloe Vera Gel to clean my

body. By me I trust Aloe Vera and belive in its medical power.

Regards

Edmund

-

" iris054 " <clicker

Sunday, August 11, 2002 1:49 AM

[herbal remedies] Osteo-arthritis

> I finally got my insurance reinstated, and then went to a bone

> specialist, as we've discussed here. What's wrong with my left

> thumb, at the last joint before the wrist (it's screaming in pain so

> bad I can't sleep) turns out to be osteo-arthritis. IOW, the doc

> said I " wore it out " . It's bone on bone with no cartilage left.

> Sheesh. (I'm not THAT old, am I?) So, she gives me a brace to wear

> and says ice it (so far, so good), then gives me Celebrex, an anti-

> inflammatory (hmmmm). No other advice. She was kind of a hit-and-

> run, wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am sort of doctor -- whoosh! She was

> gone. Rack 'em, stack 'em. (Marcus Welby, where are you?)

>

> I stopped at the HFS on my way home and loaded up: whey powder for

> protein, Green Magma (barley grass powder), and a good chondroitan,

> glucosamine, MSM capsule. While I was there, I stopped at

> their " bar " and got a really yummy juice for my lunch -- organic

> wheatgrass, carrot and apple -- yumm!

>

> I came home and phoned the doctor's nurse, and she told me where to

> look on the web for all the things the doc didn't have time

> (apparently) to tell me. It told me if this doesn't work, then it's

> prednisone injected into the joint (doesn't sound like a good idea

> to me). If that doesn't work, then it's surgery. If that doesn't

> work, too darned bad.

>

> Then I looked up " herbs osteoarthritis " and got so many suggestions

> I'd have to win the lottery just to try them all. I already had

> gotten some emu oil, and at least for me it doesn't help.

>

> Now, I'm open to suggestions. Have any of you found something that

> helps you cope with arthritis?

>

> Melinda

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

August 15, 2002

Hello everyone,

this is my first post, but it happens to be about juice as well. Recently

I started taking Tahitian Noni Juice. It is a tropical fruit that has a

chemical called proxeronine. The body converts this into xeronine which

helps in many bodily functions. For me I am feeling the effects of the

juice with each day. I have heard many testimonies about it helping with

auto immune diseases (arthritis)ect. Right now me and most of my family

and friends are taking it. So far the results are promising. Just wanted

to share with you all. There are various websites on Tahitian noni juice

and I also have some information on it. So far the only way I know how to

get it is through a private distributor. Anyway, it is not a miracle cure

but has many medicinal properties. The juice is getting more medical

recognition and I imagine over time it will be a blessing to me and my

health. I will keep you posted on any progress I make.

Nice to be part of the group,

Duane