Guest guest Posted September 25, 2002 Report Share Posted September 25, 2002 Hi Kathy, I would suggest that you seriously consider the source here. I just checked that site and under the Association links is listed government sites like FDA, AMA, APhA, conglomerated business, gov. funded charities and such. It is a good possibility that they will tell you all kinds of things about any herbal preparation and/or remedy. Don - kathyq47 herbal remedies Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:21 AM [herbal remedies] Is Hawthorne safe? I take Hawthorne sometimes for Mitral Valve Prolapse Syndrome and just ran across this http://www.nutritionfocus.com/nutrition_supplementation/herbs/hawthorn_berries.htmllook under side effects "(Possible adverse effects and/or overdose effects) Possible nausea, difficulty breathing, fatigue, sweating, rash on the hands. May cause arrhythmia and congestive heart failure. Large doses may cause CNS depression and hypotention." I have looked in numerous books and on other websites and find no other reference to this statement about causing heart failure. Has anyone ever heard of this? People with MVPS have enough anxiety without hearing this. I would really appreciate some input about Hawthorne as a lot of us with MVP use it. Thanks, KathyFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2002 Report Share Posted September 25, 2002 Besides, how long has man been using Hawthorn Berries for in his preparations? I can guarantee you it has been a heck of a lot longer than any gov. agency, conglomo-business, or pharma-psychlo house has been around. I would not worry in the least about your use of Hawthorn. Apparently you have been using it for some time and are not experiencing any major side effects. Remember, studies have found that peanut butter causes death in laboratory rats. Scientists have found that injecting one pound of Skippy peanut butter directly into the hearts of rats kills them dead. Most scientific research, if not all, is slanted the way the buck flows. If they can make a buck they will say anything. Don - kathyq47 herbal remedies Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:21 AM [herbal remedies] Is Hawthorne safe? I take Hawthorne sometimes for Mitral Valve Prolapse Syndrome and just ran across this http://www.nutritionfocus.com/nutrition_supplementation/herbs/hawthorn_berries.htmllook under side effects "(Possible adverse effects and/or overdose effects) Possible nausea, difficulty breathing, fatigue, sweating, rash on the hands. May cause arrhythmia and congestive heart failure. Large doses may cause CNS depression and hypotention." I have looked in numerous books and on other websites and find no other reference to this statement about causing heart failure. Has anyone ever heard of this? People with MVPS have enough anxiety without hearing this. I would really appreciate some input about Hawthorne as a lot of us with MVP use it. Thanks, KathyFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2002 Report Share Posted September 25, 2002 Okay, I just did a little research into MVP as I have never know anyone who suffered from it. Wow. Lots to it. Anyway, if you want to chill out your nerves then there are hops, valerian, and kava which will have a relaxing affect on your nervous system. Here is what I read: Natural Relaxants--Kava (Piper methysticum) belongs to the pepper family. Kava has been shown in therapeutic doses to be useful in dampening the symptoms of anxiety, without risk of dampening alertness or of addiction. Dosage: 100-200 milligrams of the standardized preparation of kava lactones per day.Valerian (heliotrope), calms the central nervous system, relaxes muscle tissue, and is effective for insomnia, with no morning after-effects. Dosage: Valerian is commonly available in capsule form or as an infusion. For acute conditions, 2-10 ml. tincture of valerian up to every two hours.Hops can be helpful in calming nervous excitement, and treating hysteria and insomnia. Dosage: .5-1 gram of powder, or 2-4 ml. tincture as needed. I hope this helps and answers your question. Don - kathyq47 herbal remedies Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:06 AM [herbal remedies] Re: Is Hawthorne safe? Since you are here.........what do you know about the autonomic nervous system and what can you do to make it chill out? My stress level right now is through the roof and having this stupid MVPS just makes everything go in a vicious circle that is hard to stop. Kathy herbal remedies, "Donald Eitner" <eitner.d@m...> wrote:> Your welcome Kathy.> > Don> - > kathyq47 > herbal remedies > Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:52 AM> [herbal remedies] Re: Is Hawthorne safe?> > > Thank you, I never thought of that, I was so distressed about it I > wasn't thinking clearly. I also found that statement word for word > in the program I have called Naturbase lite. I am disgusted now. > Thanks for your help. Kathy> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2002 Report Share Posted September 25, 2002 Hi Ken, An infusion is where you pour boiling or very hot water over the herbs and allow them to steep for 10 - 15 minutes or so. This process is used mainly for the green leafy parts of the herbs or the flowers. Don. - ken herbal remedies Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:04 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Is Hawthorne safe? What is an infusion? Thanks - Donald Eitner herbal remedies Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:35 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Is Hawthorne safe? Okay, I just did a little research into MVP as I have never know anyone who suffered from it. Wow. Lots to it. Anyway, if you want to chill out your nerves then there are hops, valerian, and kava which will have a relaxing affect on your nervous system. Here is what I read: Natural Relaxants--Kava (Piper methysticum) belongs to the pepper family. Kava has been shown in therapeutic doses to be useful in dampening the symptoms of anxiety, without risk of dampening alertness or of addiction. Dosage: 100-200 milligrams of the standardized preparation of kava lactones per day.Valerian (heliotrope), calms the central nervous system, relaxes muscle tissue, and is effective for insomnia, with no morning after-effects. Dosage: Valerian is commonly available in capsule form or as an infusion. For acute conditions, 2-10 ml. tincture of valerian up to every two hours.Hops can be helpful in calming nervous excitement, and treating hysteria and insomnia. Dosage: .5-1 gram of powder, or 2-4 ml. tincture as needed. I hope this helps and answers your question. Don - kathyq47 herbal remedies Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:06 AM [herbal remedies] Re: Is Hawthorne safe? Since you are here.........what do you know about the autonomic nervous system and what can you do to make it chill out? My stress level right now is through the roof and having this stupid MVPS just makes everything go in a vicious circle that is hard to stop. Kathy herbal remedies, "Donald Eitner" <eitner.d@m...> wrote:> Your welcome Kathy.> > Don> - > kathyq47 > herbal remedies > Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:52 AM> [herbal remedies] Re: Is Hawthorne safe?> > > Thank you, I never thought of that, I was so distressed about it I > wasn't thinking clearly. I also found that statement word for word > in the program I have called Naturbase lite. I am disgusted now. > Thanks for your help. Kathy> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2002 Report Share Posted September 27, 2002 Kathy, this IMHO is just a bunch of hype by the drug companies. Anything overdone is not good, or course, but I have personally NEVER seen nor heard of adverse reactions/affects to hawthorne berries or flowers when used correctly. I HAVE seen and had persons very dear to me die from the side affects of pharmaceutical drugs though. Janet - kathyq47 herbal remedies Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:21 AM [herbal remedies] Is Hawthorne safe? I take Hawthorne sometimes for Mitral Valve Prolapse Syndrome and just ran across this http://www.nutritionfocus.com/nutrition_supplementation/herbs/hawthorn_berries.htmllook under side effects "(Possible adverse effects and/or overdose effects) Possible nausea, difficulty breathing, fatigue, sweating, rash on the hands. May cause arrhythmia and congestive heart failure. Large doses may cause CNS depression and hypotention." I have looked in numerous books and on other websites and find no other reference to this statement about causing heart failure. Has anyone ever heard of this? People with MVPS have enough anxiety without hearing this. I would really appreciate some input about Hawthorne as a lot of us with MVP use it. Thanks, Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Years ago I took an herbalism course with someone who trained in England where herbalists can practice. He said that hawthorne is unusual in that it is good for both high and low blood pressure. herbal remedies, " Dragonhealer " <dragonhealing@a...> wrote: > Kathy, this IMHO is just a bunch of hype by the drug companies. Anything overdone is not good, or course, but I have personally NEVER seen nor heard of adverse reactions/affects to hawthorne berries or flowers when used correctly. I HAVE seen and had persons very dear to me die from the side affects of pharmaceutical drugs though. > > Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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