Guest guest Posted December 27, 2002 Report Share Posted December 27, 2002 I used to have an anxiety case which was handicapping my professional life. Based on my psychiatists's suggestion, I started taking Prozac along with therapy. After 3 months, I felt much better so I cut off the medicine. However, the anxiety returned stronger than before after a few months. So I started again. On and off for two years, I have been using this medicine which alleviated the anxiety symptoms and allowed me to be fully functional again during the times I used it. During those two years, I tried almost anything, including St.John's Wort, but did none ever came close to the relief Prozac provided. I have to admit that I consider using Prozac sort of like smoking, I really want to kick it. But I would never quit cold turkey. I tried before, and symptoms came back ever worse. The whole point is to find a balance between your disabling condition and the harmful effects of such foreign and potentially harmful chemicals. Isn't this what the field of medicine is about? I strongly believe in the power of herbs and their ability to cure many mild diseases, but for serious psychohological disorders, I'd rather leave it to MD's. I don't really buy the crap about going off and killing people, looks like an emotional reaction rather than facts. All have a great year. Emre Gurcan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2002 Report Share Posted December 27, 2002 Years ago an MD put me on Prozac for FMS. He kept upping my dose over several weeks until it got pretty darned high. I had a paradoxical response to the drug. When I informed the doctor that I didn't want to take Prozac any more, he had a hissy fit at me. Seems he had a " one-size-fits-all " vision, which is pure nonsense when it comes to medicine, diet, lovemaking, schooling, or about anything else. Iatragenics is said to be the #3 cause of death in this country, and I believe it. He simply ordered me to stay on it, but I wasn't going to do that because I realized it was doing really bad things to me in terms of making me suicidally depressed and upping my pain levels to the intolerable. So, I quit the Prozac and the doctor both cold turkey and I never looked back. Nobody had told me I was supposed to taper off, and frankly I never felt a thing except better. Would that work for everyone? Undoubtedly not. But would it be bad for everyone to quit it cold turkey? Didn't hurt me any. Point is, we're all different and there aren't many absolutes when you're talking about meds and human beanies. Melinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2002 Report Share Posted December 27, 2002 Emre, I normally don't get negative or onry on this list... but your comments regarding emre.gurcan wrote: The whole point is to find a balance between your disabling condition and the harmful effects of such foreign and potentially harmful chemicals. Isn't this what the field of medicine is about?I strongly believe in the power of herbs and their ability to cure many mild diseases, but for serious psychohological disorders, I'd rather leave it to MD's. I don't really buy the crap about going off and killing people, looks like an emotional reaction rather than facts. First of all, you cannot just quit prozac... the mds have you hooked... and it can affect your psychological .... I know someone who used to be on it... and he became violent while taking it... luckily for him it started in the first week of taking prozac and he got off it. Secondly, WHY ARE YOU HERE? IF you believe herbs only cure mild diseases??? Herbs have and will continue to cure even major illnessses.. I, firsthand have seen herbs cure cancer and totally amaze the doctors. Medicine is supposed to be about TOTALLY HEALING THE CONDITION NOT PUTTING A BANDAID ON IT. If you are REALLY wanting to get off meds you have to put in the work.... it's more than just popping a pill - it's a change of lifestyle..... eating habits, cleansing, etc..... If you really want to be free of "chemical" drugs like prozac, etc... I suggest you give DOC a call and truly get on the road to health. Suzi Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2002 Report Share Posted December 27, 2002 Hello Emre, and all others who have participated in discussion on this subject. Thought I'd put in my 0.2 cents worth. Prozac, and all other such anti-depressants are drugs on about the same level as cocaine. And as with any drug-taking/alcohol I'm sure you "feel better" when taking them. But as you have discovered yourself, it doesn't handle the problem - witness the return of the symptoms when you stop taking the drug. For this reason people get addicted to drugs - too painful coming off them. Not just the withdrawal symptoms, but also because of the return of the problems causing them to start the drugs in the first place. As for the idea of killing people, this has in fact been proven to be caused by the drugs. Every single mass shooting in the USA in the last few years (schools, shopping malls etc) was drugs related. ALL of the shooters were on some sort of psychiatric drug either at the time of the shooting or just before that. None of the shooters had any prior history of such violent behaviour. Of course people get emotional about such a subject, especially if a loved one was involved in such shootings. That doesn't mean it's not true. Anyhow, as has been mentioned before, it is much more effective long-term to discover the CAUSE of the depression and deal with that, rather than continue to treat the symptoms. It CAN be done you know. Find on what or WHO in your environment is/are making you feel that way - the treatment may be very simple in just removing yourself from that environment, or stop seeing that person, or even just stop reading the newspaper for a few weeks/watch the news. Even just the barrage of bad news we all get from the news reporters is enough to make one feel depressed - stop paying attention to it and see how much better you feel after that :-) love Lisa - emre.gurcan herbal remedies Friday, December 27, 2002 6:54 AM [herbal remedies] SSRI's I used to have an anxiety case which was handicapping my professional life. Based on my psychiatists's suggestion, I started taking Prozac along with therapy. After 3 months, I felt much better so I cut off the medicine. However, the anxiety returnedstronger than before after a few months. So I started again. On and off for two years, I have been using this medicine which alleviated the anxiety symptoms and allowed me to be fully functional again during the times I used it.During those two years, I tried almost anything, including St.John's Wort, but did none ever came close to the relief Prozac provided. I have to admit that I consider using Prozac sort of like smoking, I really want to kick it. But I would never quit coldturkey. I tried before, and symptoms came back ever worse.The whole point is to find a balance between your disabling condition and the harmful effects of such foreign and potentially harmful chemicals. Isn't this what the field of medicine is about?I strongly believe in the power of herbs and their ability to cure many mild diseases, but for serious psychohological disorders, I'd rather leave it to MD's. I don't really buy the crap about going off and killing people, looks like an emotionalreaction rather than facts.All have a great year.Emre GurcanFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2002 Report Share Posted December 27, 2002 Emre, if you "leave your health" in any one else's hands but your own, you will never be completely well. You must take charge of your own health. Natural medicine includes nutriton, herbs, lifestyle changes, etc. It can cure major and minor illnesses, including your anxiety disorder. The more you allow them to prescribe chemical poisons for you, the more imbalanced your whole body is going to get. Janet - emre.gurcan herbal remedies Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:54 PM [herbal remedies] SSRI's I used to have an anxiety case which was handicapping my professional life. Based on my psychiatists's suggestion, I started taking Prozac along with therapy. After 3 months, I felt much better so I cut off the medicine. However, the anxiety returnedstronger than before after a few months. So I started again. On and off for two years, I have been using this medicine which alleviated the anxiety symptoms and allowed me to be fully functional again during the times I used it.During those two years, I tried almost anything, including St.John's Wort, but did none ever came close to the relief Prozac provided. I have to admit that I consider using Prozac sort of like smoking, I really want to kick it. But I would never quit coldturkey. I tried before, and symptoms came back ever worse.The whole point is to find a balance between your disabling condition and the harmful effects of such foreign and potentially harmful chemicals. Isn't this what the field of medicine is about?I strongly believe in the power of herbs and their ability to cure many mild diseases, but for serious psychohological disorders, I'd rather leave it to MD's. I don't really buy the crap about going off and killing people, looks like an emotionalreaction rather than facts.All have a great year.Emre GurcanFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2002 Report Share Posted December 29, 2002 Dear Emre, The problem with trying to handle this allopathically and from a psychiatric approach is that only the symptom of "anxiety" is being addressed here. Because only the symptom is being addressed and not the "Cause" of the condition, you'll never find a "Cure", and you'll be stuck with this condition (and worse) since time immemorial. Get the idea that you have this anxiety condition, and the psych gives you Prozac to handle this. The Prozac negatively effects your body by not only masking the symptom (hides it, but not gone), and is not only creating a bio-chemical imbalance throughout the body by the use of the drug, but is also destructively damaging the Liver by making it highly toxic. Even though you may not notice a destructive effect immediately on the liver, down the road this drug Prozac WILL create all kinds of other debilitating body problems because your liver is no longer doing its job. The body and its conditions are a holistic composite. In other words, your body works (or doesn't) as a result of what's happening to the "whole" not just one symptom that may rear its head. IE. 80% of all headaches are as a result of "Bowel Problems". Holistically, one must look for bio-chemical imbalances (usually a lack of potassium)and a cleansing of the bowel to remove stoppages. This approach works permanently and headaches become a thing of the past. On the other hand, you can take aspirin or tylenol (the allopathic "handle the symptom" approach) till the cows come home and that headache will continue to come back and plague you. I hope this gives you the idea. You'll never get off of Prozac as long as you are just looking for a substitute for the Prozac. You need to look at this from a Naturopathic / Holistic viewpoint to find the actual "Cause" of the anxiety. After all, you don't think you have anxiety because you have a "Prozac" deficiency do you??? ;o) Love, Doc PS. I've never heard of a headache being caused by an aspirin deficiency either LOL. Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - emre.gurcan herbal remedies Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:54 PM [herbal remedies] SSRI's I used to have an anxiety case which was handicapping my professional life. Based on my psychiatists's suggestion, I started taking Prozac along with therapy. After 3 months, I felt much better so I cut off the medicine. However, the anxiety returnedstronger than before after a few months. So I started again. On and off for two years, I have been using this medicine which alleviated the anxiety symptoms and allowed me to be fully functional again during the times I used it.During those two years, I tried almost anything, including St.John's Wort, but did none ever came close to the relief Prozac provided. I have to admit that I consider using Prozac sort of like smoking, I really want to kick it. But I would never quit coldturkey. I tried before, and symptoms came back ever worse.The whole point is to find a balance between your disabling condition and the harmful effects of such foreign and potentially harmful chemicals. Isn't this what the field of medicine is about?I strongly believe in the power of herbs and their ability to cure many mild diseases, but for serious psychohological disorders, I'd rather leave it to MD's. I don't really buy the crap about going off and killing people, looks like an emotionalreaction rather than facts.All have a great year.Emre Gurcan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2002 Report Share Posted December 29, 2002 Dear Melinda, This is an excellent post and shows you know how to listen to what your body is telling you. I commend your courage in standing up for what you know is right for you. Much love, Doc PS. You certainly hit the nail on the head when it comes to "absolutes" and medications. ;o) Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Melinda <clicker herbal remedies Friday, December 27, 2002 12:38 AM [herbal remedies] Re: SSRI's Years ago an MD put me on Prozac for FMS. He kept upping my dose over several weeks until it got pretty darned high. I had a paradoxical response to the drug. When I informed the doctor that I didn't want to take Prozac any more, he had a hissy fit at me. Seems he had a "one-size-fits-all" vision, which is pure nonsense when it comes to medicine, diet, lovemaking, schooling, or about anything else. Iatragenics is said to be the #3 cause of death in this country, and I believe it. He simply ordered me to stay on it, but I wasn't going to do that because I realized it was doing really bad things to me in terms of making me suicidally depressed and upping my pain levels to the intolerable. So, I quit the Prozac and the doctor both cold turkey and I never looked back. Nobody had told me I was supposed to taper off, and frankly I never felt a thing except better. Would that work for everyone? Undoubtedly not. But would it be bad for everyone to quit it cold turkey? Didn't hurt me any. Point is, we're all different and there aren't many absolutes when you're talking about meds and human beanies.Melinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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