Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Check out these interesting articles on Vitamin C: http://www.doctoryourself.com/vitaminc.html http://www.doctoryourself.com/vitaminc2.html Apparently high dosages of Vit C has proven extremely effective for a wide host of illnesses and diseases. Dosage amounts: http://www.doctoryourself.com/klenner_table.html Basically 350mg for every kilogram of body weight (a kilogram is 2.2 pounds). Anyone have any experience? I am looking to combat fibromyalgia, leaky gut, Candida and food intolerances. Here's the first article: _jason_ VITAMIN C HAS BEEN KNOWN TO CURE OVER 30 MAJOR DISEASES FOR OVER 50 YEARS If so, why haven't you heard more about it? Why haven't more doctors used Vitamin C as medicine? Progress takes time, unfortunately. Fresh fruit was known to cure scurvy by 1753, yet governments ignored the fact for nearly 100 years. Countless thousands died in the meantime. The 19th century doctor who first advocated washing one's hands between patients died ignored and in disgrace with the medical profession. Toxic mercury was used as medicine into the twentieth century. And so it has been. The first physician to aggressively use Vitamin C to cure diseases was Frederick R. Klenner, M.D. beginning back in the early 1940's. Dr. Klenner consistently cured chicken pox, measles, mumps, tetanus and polio with huge doses of the vitamin. While vaccines are now available for these illnesses, please remember this was not the case in the 1940's. The following is a list of the conditions that Dr. Klenner successfully treated with aggressive Vitamin C therapy: Pneumonia Encephalitis Herpes Zoster (shingles) Herpes Simplex Mononucleosis Pancreatitis Hepatitis Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever Bladder Infection Alcoholism Arthritis Some Cancers Leukemia Atherosclerosis Ruptured Intervertebral Disc High Cholesterol Corneal Ulcer Diabetes Glaucoma Schizophrenia Burns and secondary infections Heat Stroke Radiation Burns Heavy Metal Poisoning (Mercury, Lead) Venomous Bites (insects, snakes) Multiple Sclerosis Chronic Fatigue Complications of Surgery This seems like an impossible list of Vitamin C cures. At this point, you can either dismiss the subject or investigate further. Dr. Klenner chose to investigate. The result? He used massive doses of Vitamin C for over forty years of family practice. He wrote dozens of medical papers on the subject. A complete list of them is in the Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C, edited by Lendon H. Smith, M.D., Life Sciences Press, Tacoma, WA (1988). It is difficult to ignore his success, but it has been done. Dr. Klenner wrote: " Some physicians would stand by and see their patient die rather than use ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) because in their finite minds it exists only as a vitamin. " Vitamin C is remarkably safe even in enormously high doses. Compared to commonly used prescription drugs, side effects are virtually nonexistent. It does not cause kidney stones. In fact, Vitamin C increases urine flow and favorably lowers the pH to help keep stones from forming. William J. McCormick, M.D. used Vitamin C since the late 1940's to prevent and treat kidney stones. Vitamin C does not significantly raise oxalate levels, and uric acid stones have never resulted from its use, either. Said Dr. Klenner: " The ascorbic acid/kidney stone story is a myth. " How much Vitamin C is an effective therapeutic dose? Dr. Klenner gave up to 300,000 milligrams (mg) per day. Generally, he gave 350 to 700 mg per kilogram body weight per day. That is a lot of Vitamin C. But then again, look at that list of successes. Dr. Klenner emphasized that small amounts do not work. He said, " If you want results, use adequate ascorbic acid (Vitamin C). " If you want to learn more about the therapeutic uses of vitamin C, the following books are best: How To Live Longer and Feel Better, by Linus Pauling, Ph.D., (Freeman, 1986) The Healing Factor: Vitamin C Against Disease, by Irwin Stone (Putnam, 1972) The Vitamin C Connection, by Emanuel Cheraskin, M.D. et al (Harper and Row, 1983) Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C, by Lendon H. Smith, M.D. (cited above) Physicians and other health professionals may wish to read papers by William J. McCormick, M.D., Linus Pauling, Ph.D, Abram Hoffer, M.D., and recent articles by Robert F. Cathcart III, M.D. The Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine is especially recommended. Copyright C 2004 and prior years Andrew W. Saul. From the books DOCTOR YOURSELF and FIRE YOUR DOCTOR, available from Andrew Saul, Number 8 Van Buren Street, Holley, New York 14470. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 The advice (wherever it comes from) to take " 350mg per kg body weight " (kg = 2.2lbs), seems an almost absurdly high estimate. Though I feel confident there are illegitimate interests seeking to push people away from therapeutic doses of C, going to the extreme of recommending a (presumably routine) dose of 25,000mg (25gms) for a man weighing roughly 175 lbs seem grossly exaggerated. JP - " -<(:: jason :>- " <ombass ; Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:37 PM Vitamin C (large dosages) Check out these interesting articles on Vitamin C: http://www.doctoryourself.com/vitaminc.html http://www.doctoryourself.com/vitaminc2.html Apparently high dosages of Vit C has proven extremely effective for a wide host of illnesses and diseases. Dosage amounts: http://www.doctoryourself.com/klenner_table.html Basically 350mg for every kilogram of body weight (a kilogram is 2.2 pounds). Anyone have any experience? I am looking to combat fibromyalgia, leaky gut, Candida and food intolerances. Here's the first article: _jason_ VITAMIN C HAS BEEN KNOWN TO CURE OVER 30 MAJOR DISEASES FOR OVER 50 YEARS If so, why haven't you heard more about it? Why haven't more doctors used Vitamin C as medicine? Progress takes time, unfortunately. Fresh fruit was known to cure scurvy by 1753, yet governments ignored the fact for nearly 100 years. Countless thousands died in the meantime. The 19th century doctor who first advocated washing one's hands between patients died ignored and in disgrace with the medical profession. Toxic mercury was used as medicine into the twentieth century. And so it has been. The first physician to aggressively use Vitamin C to cure diseases was Frederick R. Klenner, M.D. beginning back in the early 1940's. Dr. Klenner consistently cured chicken pox, measles, mumps, tetanus and polio with huge doses of the vitamin. While vaccines are now available for these illnesses, please remember this was not the case in the 1940's. The following is a list of the conditions that Dr. Klenner successfully treated with aggressive Vitamin C therapy: Pneumonia Encephalitis Herpes Zoster (shingles) Herpes Simplex Mononucleosis Pancreatitis Hepatitis Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever Bladder Infection Alcoholism Arthritis Some Cancers Leukemia Atherosclerosis Ruptured Intervertebral Disc High Cholesterol Corneal Ulcer Diabetes Glaucoma Schizophrenia Burns and secondary infections Heat Stroke Radiation Burns Heavy Metal Poisoning (Mercury, Lead) Venomous Bites (insects, snakes) Multiple Sclerosis Chronic Fatigue Complications of Surgery This seems like an impossible list of Vitamin C cures. At this point, you can either dismiss the subject or investigate further. Dr. Klenner chose to investigate. The result? He used massive doses of Vitamin C for over forty years of family practice. He wrote dozens of medical papers on the subject. A complete list of them is in the Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C, edited by Lendon H. Smith, M.D., Life Sciences Press, Tacoma, WA (1988). It is difficult to ignore his success, but it has been done. Dr. Klenner wrote: " Some physicians would stand by and see their patient die rather than use ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) because in their finite minds it exists only as a vitamin. " Vitamin C is remarkably safe even in enormously high doses. Compared to commonly used prescription drugs, side effects are virtually nonexistent. It does not cause kidney stones. In fact, Vitamin C increases urine flow and favorably lowers the pH to help keep stones from forming. William J. McCormick, M.D. used Vitamin C since the late 1940's to prevent and treat kidney stones. Vitamin C does not significantly raise oxalate levels, and uric acid stones have never resulted from its use, either. Said Dr. Klenner: " The ascorbic acid/kidney stone story is a myth. " How much Vitamin C is an effective therapeutic dose? Dr. Klenner gave up to 300,000 milligrams (mg) per day. Generally, he gave 350 to 700 mg per kilogram body weight per day. That is a lot of Vitamin C. But then again, look at that list of successes. Dr. Klenner emphasized that small amounts do not work. He said, " If you want results, use adequate ascorbic acid (Vitamin C). " If you want to learn more about the therapeutic uses of vitamin C, the following books are best: How To Live Longer and Feel Better, by Linus Pauling, Ph.D., (Freeman, 1986) The Healing Factor: Vitamin C Against Disease, by Irwin Stone (Putnam, 1972) The Vitamin C Connection, by Emanuel Cheraskin, M.D. et al (Harper and Row, 1983) Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C, by Lendon H. Smith, M.D. (cited above) Physicians and other health professionals may wish to read papers by William J. McCormick, M.D., Linus Pauling, Ph.D, Abram Hoffer, M.D., and recent articles by Robert F. Cathcart III, M.D. The Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine is especially recommended. Copyright C 2004 and prior years Andrew W. Saul. From the books DOCTOR YOURSELF and FIRE YOUR DOCTOR, available from Andrew Saul, Number 8 Van Buren Street, Holley, New York 14470. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» § - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! § Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. 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Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 lol. I know what 25 grams a day would do for my body. I'd have to have a about a gallon of kaopectate to stop it up I reckon. Now, perhaps if I was severely injured, and emotionally challenged, and had just suffered a divorce or the death of my mom and dad together, all of this at once, perhaps my body would exhaust a 25 gram dose. I agree, this is grossly exaggerated. I'm pretty healthy on a supplemented dose of 3 grams with additional coming from diet, at about that body weight. Ed John Polifronio [counterpnt] Friday, December 31, 2004 3:57 AM Subject: Re: Vitamin C (large dosages) The advice (wherever it comes from) to take "350mg per kg body weight" (kg = 2.2lbs), seems an almost absurdly high estimate. Though I feel confident there are illegitimate interests seeking to push people away from therapeutic doses of C, going to the extreme of recommending a (presumably routine) dose of 25,000mg (25gms) for a man weighing roughly 175 lbs seem grossly exaggerated.JP- "-<(:: jason :>-" <ombass; Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:37 PM Vitamin C (large dosages)Check out these interesting articles on Vitamin C:http://www.doctoryourself.com/vitaminc.htmlhttp://www.doctoryourself.com/vitaminc2.htmlApparently high dosages of Vit C has proven extremely effective for a widehost of illnesses and diseases. Dosage amounts:http://www.doctoryourself.com/klenner_table.htmlBasically 350mg for every kilogram of body weight (a kilogram is 2.2pounds).Anyone have any experience? I am looking to combat fibromyalgia, leaky gut,Candida and food intolerances.Here's the first article:_jason_VITAMIN C HAS BEEN KNOWN TO CURE OVER 30 MAJOR DISEASES FOR OVER 50 YEARSIf so, why haven't you heard more about it? Why haven't more doctors usedVitamin C as medicine?Progress takes time, unfortunately. Fresh fruit was known to cure scurvy by1753, yet governments ignored the fact for nearly 100 years. Countlessthousands died in the meantime. The 19th century doctor who first advocatedwashing one's hands between patients died ignored and in disgrace with themedical profession. Toxic mercury was used as medicine into the twentiethcentury. And so it has been.The first physician to aggressively use Vitamin C to cure diseases wasFrederick R. Klenner, M.D. beginning back in the early 1940's. Dr. Klennerconsistently cured chicken pox, measles, mumps, tetanus and polio with hugedoses of the vitamin. While vaccines are now available for these illnesses,please remember this was not the case in the 1940's.The following is a list of the conditions that Dr. Klenner successfullytreated with aggressive Vitamin C therapy:PneumoniaEncephalitisHerpes Zoster (shingles)Herpes SimplexMononucleosisPancreatitisHepatitisRocky Mountain Spotted FeverBladder InfectionAlcoholismArthritisSome CancersLeukemiaAtherosclerosisRuptured Intervertebral DiscHigh CholesterolCorneal UlcerDiabetesGlaucomaSchizophreniaBurns and secondary infectionsHeat StrokeRadiation BurnsHeavy Metal Poisoning (Mercury, Lead)Venomous Bites (insects, snakes)Multiple SclerosisChronic FatigueComplications of SurgeryThis seems like an impossible list of Vitamin C cures. At this point, youcan either dismiss the subject or investigate further. Dr. Klenner chose toinvestigate. The result? He used massive doses of Vitamin C for over fortyyears of family practice. He wrote dozens of medical papers on thesubject. A complete list of them is in the Clinical Guide to the Use ofVitamin C, edited by Lendon H. Smith, M.D., Life Sciences Press, Tacoma, WA(1988).It is difficult to ignore his success, but it has been done. Dr. Klennerwrote: "Some physicians would stand by and see their patient die rather thanuse ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) because in their finite minds it exists onlyas a vitamin."Vitamin C is remarkably safe even in enormously high doses. Compared tocommonly used prescription drugs, side effects are virtually nonexistent.It does not cause kidney stones. In fact, Vitamin C increases urine flowand favorably lowers the pH to help keep stones from forming. William J.McCormick, M.D. used Vitamin C since the late 1940's to prevent and treatkidney stones. Vitamin C does not significantly raise oxalate levels, anduric acid stones have never resulted from its use, either. Said Dr.Klenner: "The ascorbic acid/kidney stone story is a myth."How much Vitamin C is an effective therapeutic dose? Dr. Klenner gave up to300,000 milligrams (mg) per day. Generally, he gave 350 to 700 mg perkilogram body weight per day. That is a lot of Vitamin C.But then again, look at that list of successes.Dr. Klenner emphasized that small amounts do not work. He said, "If youwant results, use adequate ascorbic acid (Vitamin C)."If you want to learn more about the therapeutic uses of vitamin C, thefollowing books are best:How To Live Longer and Feel Better, by Linus Pauling, Ph.D., (Freeman,1986)The Healing Factor: Vitamin C Against Disease, by Irwin Stone (Putnam,1972)The Vitamin C Connection, by Emanuel Cheraskin, M.D. et al (Harper and Row,1983)Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C, by Lendon H. Smith, M.D. (citedabove)Physicians and other health professionals may wish to read papers by WilliamJ. McCormick, M.D., Linus Pauling, Ph.D, Abram Hoffer, M.D., and recentarticles by Robert F. Cathcart III, M.D. The Journal of OrthomolecularMedicine is especially recommended.Copyright C 2004 and prior years Andrew W. Saul. From the books DOCTORYOURSELF and FIRE YOUR DOCTOR, available from Andrew Saul, Number 8 VanBuren Street, Holley, New York 14470.«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§ - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! §Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.**COPYRIGHT NOTICE**In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. 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Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 On 12/31/04 12:57 AM, " John Polifronio " <counterpnt wrote: > > The advice (wherever it comes from) to take " 350mg per kg body weight " (kg = > 2.2lbs), seems an almost absurdly high estimate. Though I feel confident > there are illegitimate interests seeking to push people away from > therapeutic doses of C, going to the extreme of recommending a (presumably > routine) dose of 25,000mg (25gms) for a man weighing roughly 175 lbs seem > grossly exaggerated. I have to agree with you. I went out and got a bunch of Vit C last night, and according to the above formula, I should take 23,000mg (23 of the big pills!) That seemed a little fierce, so I started with 10,000, and that gave me diarrhea /very loose stools. So the formula isnt for everyone, although he does acknowledge that, saying your ideal dose should be right below the amount that gives you diarrhea. So I guess I have some more experimenting to do... _jason_ _________ ________ _______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ _ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 Jason Large amounts of Vit C will cause loose stools that is normal. You should spread the doage out through the day and not all at once as it leaves your system rather quickly. June - " -<(:: jason :>- " <ombass Friday, December 31, 2004 7:40 PM Re: Vitamin C (large dosages) On 12/31/04 12:57 AM, " John Polifronio " <counterpnt wrote: > > The advice (wherever it comes from) to take " 350mg per kg body weight " (kg = > 2.2lbs), seems an almost absurdly high estimate. Though I feel confident > there are illegitimate interests seeking to push people away from > therapeutic doses of C, going to the extreme of recommending a (presumably > routine) dose of 25,000mg (25gms) for a man weighing roughly 175 lbs seem > grossly exaggerated. I have to agree with you. I went out and got a bunch of Vit C last night, and according to the above formula, I should take 23,000mg (23 of the big pills!) That seemed a little fierce, so I started with 10,000, and that gave me diarrhea /very loose stools. So the formula isnt for everyone, although he does acknowledge that, saying your ideal dose should be right below the amount that gives you diarrhea. So I guess I have some more experimenting to do... _jason_ _________ ________ _______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ _ «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ » § - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! § Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 On 1/1/05 6:25 AM, " June1 " <june1 wrote: > Jason > Large amounts of Vit C will cause loose stools that is normal. You should > spread the doage out through the day and not all at once as it leaves your > system rather quickly. Ah! OK, that makes more sense I will try it that instead - thanks! _jason_ _________ ________ _______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _ _ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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