The Anti-Depressant Fact Book: What Your Doctor Won't Tell You/depression

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I really appreciate this post. I will explain.

my 30 year old son has been very depressed for quite a few years. It probably goes back to heartbreaks in his childhood that I neednt go into here. The straw that broke the camels back was his wife leaving him and taking the kids. since then he has been so depressed that he is completely anti social and unable to function normally.

He refused to see his daughter because he said it made him too sad and he couldnt deal with it.

he did have a job as a night janitor ( where he wouldnt have to associate with other humans much) and managed to keep that for about a year ( a major step down from his job as supervisor for the gas company only a few years ago) but for the most part, for the past 5 years or so he has been completely dysfunctional. He is argumentative, sullen, maybe even what you would call autistic, in that he is unable to communicate with others and has lost his ability for emotion. If he sits and watches a movie, no matter how funny or sad you will not see a laugh or a tear. When he was little he was outgoing and friendly and loved everyone.

Now he is paranoid and friendless. when he does get someone willing to help him if they try to tell him something he rejects all advice and gets mad. ( example... his car broke down and we were told that it would cost more than the car was worth to repair it. he refused to believe that and insisted that for some reason the man at the repair shop was lying, and all it needed was a tuneup and got mad at me because I would not give him money to buy a new distributor cap.)

I have been worrying about him constantly, because I dont want to be an enabler, but I know that he is 3 months behind on his rent and due to get kicked out soon, and that much of the time he goes hungry. I have taken him to the job service only to have him walk home without even going into the building. the only thing he wants to do to make money is to go to labor ready a couple times a week and most of the time he doesnt do that because it is so far to the office and he has to ride his bike in the snow to get there.

I was trying to decide if I should try to get some sort of agency involved to force him to get some sort of medication, but if all the medication for such things is really poison then what should I do? He did take prozac briefly a few years ago, and as you say, I think it may have made him worse. it certainly didnt make him better. I dont want to go over to his little 5x7 room in his rooming house one day to see how he is doing ( since he never comes here or calls me) and find out that he has lain in his room in the dark til he slowly starved to death.

is there an herb that would help? a fruit juice? he tried st johns wort in pill form and it didnt help.

I am low income myself and can barely pay my own bills so I cant afford to pay his rent and buy his food for him. having him stay at my house is not very feasable because of his moods and violent behavior sometimes, and some not nice things he has done to annoy us ( we had to tell him on the phone that we wouldnt let him babysit our dogs when we went on a trip because we cant trust him to take care of them right so he got mad and called the cops and told them my man was holding me prisoner!) needless to say he isnt very welcome at our house now, but I still love him and worry about him. I am open to suggestions.

 

thanks

sharon

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Sharon,

Since your son was on an SSRI he may not have withdrawn from it properly and is suffering withdrawal symptoms. There is a group that specifically and very successfully deals with withdrawal:

Withdrawal_and_Recovery/

 

Also see TONS of info at:

http://www.antidepressantsfacts (both words are plural)

 

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I was trying to decide if I should try to get some sort of agency involved to force him to get some sort of medication, but if all the medication for such things is really poison then what should I do? He did take prozac briefly a few years ago, and as you say, I think it may have made him worse. it certainly didnt make him better.

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ok THANKS! will definitely check that out, however he WAS exibiting some anti social behavior and depression before he took those medications ( obviously or he wouldnt have gone to get them in the first place.)

 

 

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creativesources

Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:35 PM

The Anti-Depressant Fact Book: What Your Doctor Won't Tell You/depression

 

Sharon,

Since your son was on an SSRI he may not have withdrawn from it properly and is suffering withdrawal symptoms. There is a group that specifically and very successfully deals with withdrawal:

Withdrawal_and_Recovery/

 

Also see TONS of info at:

http://www.antidepressantsfacts (both words are plural)

 

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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:47:40 -0800 "Sharon Jagger" <sharonjagger writes:

 

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I was trying to decide if I should try to get some sort of agency involved to force him to get some sort of medication, but if all the medication for such things is really poison then what should I do? He did take prozac briefly a few years ago, and as you say, I think it may have made him worse. it certainly didnt make him better.

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Hi Sharon-

I don’t know if you or your son

would be open to this, but check out a simple and very powerful technique

called “Emotional Freedom Technique” or EFT. It consists, mainly,

of tapping on various acupuncture (or energy) points on the body while saying

some phrases. It sounds really simplistic, but it can be used for many, if not

most, emotional problems. Vietnam veterans with post traumatic stress disorder have been cured of

decades-long cases of PTSD with just a few sessions. Of course, nothing is 100%

effective, but this is the most powerful emotional healing technique I’ve

ever found. Check it out at http://www.emofree.com.

Last I looked the procedure manual could be downloaded for free, and there are

video CDs which can be purchased very inexpensively. It can be used to

eliminate phobias, as well. I have helped a couple of friends with EFT, and

once learned (which is very simple), you can use it on

yourself. One caveat though, if a person has very deep-seated

emotional problems, he might need a therapist to help him with the EFT, but in

that case it usually makes the therapy much, much shorter. It sounds like your

son might get some help from this, since the trauma that affected him recently

is fairly clear cut. And if you could learn how it works, you might be able to

help him with it. Popularity of the technique is growing, and there are many EFT

practitioners around the country. Anyway, check it out. Anything that lessens

or eliminates the cause of emotional problems would be better than

antidepressants, since they are just a band-aid and don’t even work for

some folks (you know, like the ones that commit suicide). Feel free to email me

privately if you have any questions.

Regards,

Dana

 

 

Sharon Jagger

[sharonjagger]

 

 

I really appreciate this post. I

will explain.

 

 

my 30 year old son has been very

depressed for quite a few years. It probably goes back to heartbreaks in his

childhood that I neednt go into here. The straw that broke the camels back was

his wife leaving him and taking the kids. since then he has been so depressed

that he is completely anti social and unable to function normally.

 

 

He refused to see his daughter

because he said it made him too sad and he couldnt deal with it.

 

 

he did have a job as a night janitor

( where he wouldnt have to associate with other humans much) and managed to

keep that for about a year ( a major step down from his job as supervisor for

the gas company only a few years ago) but for the most part, for the past 5

years or so he has been completely dysfunctional. He is argumentative, sullen,

maybe even what you would call autistic, in that he is unable to communicate

with others and has lost his ability for emotion. If he sits and watches a

movie, no matter how funny or sad you will not see a laugh or a tear. When he

was little he was outgoing and friendly and loved everyone.

 

 

Now he is paranoid and friendless.

when he does get someone willing to help him if they try to tell him something

he rejects all advice and gets mad. ( example... his

car broke down and we were told that it would cost more than the car was worth

to repair it. he refused to believe that and insisted that for some reason the

man at the repair shop was lying, and all it needed was a tuneup and got mad at

me because I would not give him money to buy a new distributor cap.) . . .

[Guest guest]

thanks dana! this sounds like something I might be able to get him to do as long as I can do it for him and its free. neither one of us could afford a therapist if he was even willing to go, which he wont. he went to one before and that was who put him on the therapist.

although the wife leaving him was the thing that made him snap the worst, I think that many things through his life have also contributed to his mental problems.

he had an unstable childhood. I was married 4 times while he was still in the home. a couple of the men I was with were abusive and mentally ill themselves and the relationships were completely dysfunctional. His sister was taken away from our family when she was only 15 months old and we didnt see her again til I found her about a a year ago when she was 26. since his father and I were divorced when he was 3 and his father moved to another state, his grandfather was his male role model and they were very close. when his grandfather died when my son was 10 that also put him a step closer to his depression.

so I dont know about how cut and dried the cause of this is. I think it goes way back. do you think this technique would still help?

 

jag

 

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Dana Black

Friday, February 11, 2005 6:59 AM

RE: The Anti-Depressant Fact Book: What Your Doctor Won't Tell You/depression

 

 

Hi Sharon-

I don’t know if you or your son would be open to this, but check out a simple and very powerful technique called “Emotional Freedom Technique” or EFT. It consists, mainly, of tapping on various acupuncture (or energy) points on the body while saying some phrases. It sounds really simplistic, but it can be used for many, if not most, emotional problems. Vietnam veterans with post traumatic stress disorder have been cured of decades-long cases of PTSD with just a few sessions. Of course, nothing is 100% effective, but this is the most powerful emotional healing technique I’ve ever found. Check it out at http://www.emofree.com. Last I looked the procedure manual could be downloaded for free, and there are video CDs which can be purchased very inexpensively. It can be used to eliminate phobias, as well. I have helped a couple of friends with EFT, and once learned (which is very simple), you can use it on yourself. One caveat though, if a person has very deep-seated emotional problems, he might need a therapist to help him with the EFT, but in that case it usually makes the therapy much, much shorter. It sounds like your son might get some help from this, since the trauma that affected him recently is fairly clear cut. And if you could learn how it works, you might be able to help him with it. Popularity of the technique is growing, and there are many EFT practitioners around the country. Anyway, check it out. Anything that lessens or eliminates the cause of emotional problems would be better than antidepressants, since they are just a band-aid and don’t even work for some folks (you know, like the ones that commit suicide). Feel free to email me privately if you have any questions.

Regards,

Dana

 

Sharon Jagger [sharonjagger]

 

I really appreciate this post. I will explain.

 

my 30 year old son has been very depressed for quite a few years. It probably goes back to heartbreaks in his childhood that I neednt go into here. The straw that broke the camels back was his wife leaving him and taking the kids. since then he has been so depressed that he is completely anti social and unable to function normally.

 

He refused to see his daughter because he said it made him too sad and he couldnt deal with it.

 

he did have a job as a night janitor ( where he wouldnt have to associate with other humans much) and managed to keep that for about a year ( a major step down from his job as supervisor for the gas company only a few years ago) but for the most part, for the past 5 years or so he has been completely dysfunctional. He is argumentative, sullen, maybe even what you would call autistic, in that he is unable to communicate with others and has lost his ability for emotion. If he sits and watches a movie, no matter how funny or sad you will not see a laugh or a tear. When he was little he was outgoing and friendly and loved everyone.

 

Now he is paranoid and friendless. when he does get someone willing to help him if they try to tell him something he rejects all advice and gets mad. ( example... his car broke down and we were told that it would cost more than the car was worth to repair it. he refused to believe that and insisted that for some reason the man at the repair shop was lying, and all it needed was a tuneup and got mad at me because I would not give him money to buy a new distributor cap.) . . . «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§ - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! §Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.**COPYRIGHT NOTICE**In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107,any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml

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oops! I meant thats who put him on the prozac... rollin eyes at myself...lol

 

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Sharon Jagger

Friday, February 11, 2005 1:40 PM

Re: The Anti-Depressant Fact Book: What Your Doctor Won't Tell You/depression

 

thanks dana! this sounds like something I might be able to get him to do as long as I can do it for him and its free. neither one of us could afford a therapist if he was even willing to go, which he wont. he went to one before and that was who put him on the therapist.

[Guest guest]

Just to back up what Dana said, I too use EFT and find

it VERY helpful. I stop doing it and really notice

the difference. I need to do it more! It's great!

 

Lynn

 

--- Dana Black <danablack wrote:

 

> Hi Sharon-

> I don't know if you or your son would be open to

> this, but check out a

> simple and very powerful technique called " Emotional

> Freedom Technique "

> or EFT. It consists, mainly, of tapping on various

> acupuncture (or

> energy) points on the body while saying some

> phrases. It sounds really

> simplistic, but it can be used for many, if not

> most, emotional

> problems. Vietnam veterans with post traumatic

> stress disorder have been

> cured of decades-long cases of PTSD with just a few

> sessions. Of course,

> nothing is 100% effective, but this is the most

> powerful emotional

> healing technique I've ever found. Check it out at

> http://www.emofree.com <http://www.emofree.com/> .

> Last I looked the

> procedure manual could be downloaded for free, and

> there are video CDs

> which can be purchased very inexpensively. It can be

> used to eliminate

> phobias, as well. I have helped a couple of friends

> with EFT, and once

> learned (which is very simple), you can use it on

> yourself. One caveat

> though, if a person has very deep-seated emotional

> problems, he might

> need a therapist to help him with the EFT, but in

> that case it usually

> makes the therapy much, much shorter. It sounds like

> your son might get

> some help from this, since the trauma that affected

> him recently is

> fairly clear cut. And if you could learn how it

> works, you might be able

> to help him with it. Popularity of the technique is

> growing, and there

> are many EFT practitioners around the country.

> Anyway, check it out.

> Anything that lessens or eliminates the cause of

> emotional problems

> would be better than antidepressants, since they are

> just a band-aid and

> don't even work for some folks (you know, like the

> ones that commit

> suicide). Feel free to email me privately if you

> have any questions.

> Regards,

> Dana

>

>

> Sharon Jagger

> [sharonjagger]

>

> I really appreciate this post. I will explain.

> my 30 year old son has been very depressed for quite

> a few years. It

> probably goes back to heartbreaks in his childhood

> that I neednt go into

> here. The straw that broke the camels back was his

> wife leaving him and

> taking the kids. since then he has been so depressed

> that he is

> completely anti social and unable to function

> normally.

> He refused to see his daughter because he said it

> made him too sad and

> he couldnt deal with it.

> he did have a job as a night janitor ( where he

> wouldnt have to

> associate with other humans much) and managed to

> keep that for about a

> year ( a major step down from his job as supervisor

> for the gas company

> only a few years ago) but for the most part, for the

> past 5 years or so

> he has been completely dysfunctional. He is

> argumentative, sullen, maybe

> even what you would call autistic, in that he is

> unable to communicate

> with others and has lost his ability for emotion. If

> he sits and watches

> a movie, no matter how funny or sad you will not see

> a laugh or a tear.

> When he was little he was outgoing and friendly and

> loved everyone.

> Now he is paranoid and friendless. when he does get

> someone willing to

> help him if they try to tell him something he

> rejects all advice and

> gets mad. ( example... his car broke down and we

> were told that it would

> cost more than the car was worth to repair it. he

> refused to believe

> that and insisted that for some reason the man at

> the repair shop was

> lying, and all it needed was a tuneup and got mad at

> me because I would

> not give him money to buy a new distributor cap.) .

> . .

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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