Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 Shirl Scheider LAc in no longer at this email. Please remove this address. - Sunday, November 03, 2002 7:59 AM Digest Number 1183 > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > ------ > > There are 8 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Bloody semen - CASE > " Geoffrey Hudson " <list > 2. Re: Bloody semen - CASE > " " < > 3. really > < > 4. Re: Re: Bloody semen - CASE > " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus > 5. Re: really > Julie Chambers <info > 6. Re: Re: Bloody semen - CASE > Julie Chambers <info > 7. Re: Bloody semen - CASE > " " > 8. Re: really > Al Stone <alstone > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:14:52 -0800 > " Geoffrey Hudson " <list > Re: Bloody semen - CASE > > > Sat, 02 Nov 2002 16:29:36 -0000 > > " " < > ... > > > > As sherlock Homes always said, after one has ruled out > > everything else, the only choice left must be the solution, no > > matter how unlikely it might seem. I wonder if this applies to > > TCM. > > One of the sayings one of my Chinese supervisors taught me was: " If the > East isn't bright, head West " Close enough, I presume, Dr. Watson? > > I'll have to gather all those little sayings together one day.. They > were great. Along with the ones like: You don't make a fat man in a > day, Xin Bu Zai Yan (Heart (shen) not in the eyes -ie, light's on, > nobody's home), before 30, you cheat disease, after 30, disease cheats > you, etc.. > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Sat, 02 Nov 2002 20:22:47 -0000 > " " < > Re: Bloody semen - CASE > > , " Geoffrey Hudson " <list@a...> > wrote: > > > before 30, you cheat disease, after 30, disease cheats > > you, etc.. > > I use that one a lot with younger patients (and students) with > terrible lifestyles. > > todd > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:27:27 -0800 > < > really > > The front page of the TCM World newspaper says in an article on HRT, " TCM > has no word for menopause, calling it instead menstrual cycle ending > symptoms " > > while this may be an accurate literal translation of the term used in > china since antiquity, is it really different from menopause? > > menopause is defined in my oxford english dictionary as being derived from > the greek, meaning cessation of the menses > > since when we discuss such patients, we refer to the term menopausal (or > now the more accurate perimenopausal) symptoms, we can add the word > symptom to menopause > > change the word order and we have: > > 1) menses cessation symptoms > 2) menstrual cycle ending symptoms > > hmmm. now it really seems that this is virtually an identical concept > cross culturally. whether it has been medicalized rather than ritualized > is a separate issue, IMO. > > The article goes on to say that " menopause is viewed not as time of ending > and emptiness, but .. as a[n] opportunity to heal, grow stronger and > fulfil her life's mission. " Perhaps someone with more familiarity than > myself could comment whether this indeed is the prevailing view of > menopause in chinese culture. It is certainly the prevailing view of > those involved in alternative therapies. From an evolutionary point of > view, it also makes sense. > > But what I do know is that the standard therapies used in addressing > perimenopausal symptoms are herbs. these herbs are considered medicines. > some, such as zi he che actually contain hormones. others, like yin yang > huo, impact hormone level via a variety of mechanisms (changing receptor > activity, globulin binding, metabolism, etc.). while our use of medicines > is at its best, noniatrogenic, it is still medicine. And the results of > treatment in relieving symptoms by altering hormone levels is in fact very > similar cross culturally. We can do this without causing cancer and that > is a wonderful thing, but we need to be careful about over-romanticizing > what we do. that might score points at lectures geared for the public, > but it does not gain us any credibility with mainstream decisionmakers. > > The concepts of TCM can indeed be used to empower women who are going > through menopause with having to diss western culture. While western > medicine leaves a lot to be desired, western science is quite holistic and > it never ceases to amaze me how often science supports what we do in TCM > and CAM more than it supports the medicine supposedly derived from it. > > > Chinese Herbs > > voice: > fax: > > " Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre > minds " -- Albert Einstein > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 4 > Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:26:18 -0600 > " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus > Re: Re: Bloody semen - CASE > > Western med says this not pathological if no disease is found, > > but that just doesn't sound right to me. something must be > > wrong, like some heat in the lower jiao. > >>>>Is this visible blood or on strip only? > Alon > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 5 > Sat, 02 Nov 2002 11:40:48 -0800 > Julie Chambers <info > Re: really > > > > The article goes on to say that " menopause is viewed not as time of ending and emptiness, but .. as a[n] opportunity to heal, grow stronger and fulfil her life's mission. " > > AND: > > but we need to be careful about over-romanticizing what we do. that might score points at lectures geared for the public, but it does not gain us any credibility with mainstream decisionmakers. > > Julie responds: > > I agree. The statement quoted above just sounds like psychobabble. Women want relief from symptoms, period. Chinese herbs make the normal hormonal transition easier to bear and more comfortable. > > > > - > > cha > Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:27 PM > really > > > The front page of the TCM World newspaper says in an article on HRT, " TCM has no word for menopause, calling it instead menstrual cycle ending symptoms " > > while this may be an accurate literal translation of the term used in china since antiquity, is it really different from menopause? > > menopause is defined in my oxford english dictionary as being derived from the greek, meaning cessation of the menses > > since when we discuss such patients, we refer to the term menopausal (or now the more accurate perimenopausal) symptoms, we can add the word symptom to menopause > > change the word order and we have: > > 1) menses cessation symptoms > 2) menstrual cycle ending symptoms > > hmmm. now it really seems that this is virtually an identical concept cross culturally. whether it has been medicalized rather than ritualized is a separate issue, IMO. > > The article goes on to say that " menopause is viewed not as time of ending and emptiness, but .. as a[n] opportunity to heal, grow stronger and fulfil her life's mission. " Perhaps someone with more familiarity than myself could comment whether this indeed is the prevailing view of menopause in chinese culture. It is certainly the prevailing view of those involved in alternative therapies. From an evolutionary point of view, it also makes sense. > > But what I do know is that the standard therapies used in addressing perimenopausal symptoms are herbs. these herbs are considered medicines. some, such as zi he che actually contain hormones. others, like yin yang huo, impact hormone level via a variety of mechanisms (changing receptor activity, globulin binding, metabolism, etc.). while our use of medicines is at its best, noniatrogenic, it is still medicine. And the results of treatment in relieving symptoms by altering hormone levels is in fact very similar cross culturally. We can do this without causing cancer and that is a wonderful thing, but we need to be careful about over-romanticizing what we do. that might score points at lectures geared for the public, but it does not gain us any credibility with mainstream decisionmakers. > > The concepts of TCM can indeed be used to empower women who are going through menopause with having to diss western culture. While western medicine leaves a lot to be desired, western science is quite holistic and it never ceases to amaze me how often science supports what we do in TCM and CAM more than it supports the medicine supposedly derived from it. > > > Chinese Herbs > > voice: > fax: > > " Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds " -- Albert Einstein > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 6 > Sat, 02 Nov 2002 11:42:50 -0800 > Julie Chambers <info > Re: Re: Bloody semen - CASE > > Alon, if your question was directed to me (I originally brought up the bloody semen case), yes the blood is visible. Sometimes it is " wispy brownish " but other times the semen is full of blood. > > Julie > > >>>>Is this visible blood or on strip only? > Alon > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 7 > Sun, 03 Nov 2002 00:08:50 -0000 > " " > Re: Bloody semen - CASE > > -- In , " " <@i...> wrote: > > , " " > > wrote: > > > > I still struggle with the following idea, but I > > > believe that one can have such a depressed state of qi (which > > in this > > > case there was SEVERE lv qi yu jie) that no obvious heat signs > > are > > > present. > > > > not even the tongue? > Correct... > > > > > I concluded that the bleeding, due to the color of the blood > > > and amount, pulse, all lack of other possibilities, that there > has > > to > > > be HEAT. > > > > As sherlock Homes always said, after one has ruled out > > everything else, the only choice left must be the solution, no > > matter how unlikely it might seem. I wonder if this applies to > > TCM. > > > > Maybe, I think it worked here... > > > 2nd THERE were signs of blood stasis (tongue + I think > > > choppy pulse??, and others). > > > > > > could the signs only show blood stasis even if it had > > transformed to heat? > > ?? > > While treating blood stasis did not correct > > the condition without also using blood cooling, stop bleeding > > herbs, do you think it remained an essential part of the > > treatment. > > hhhmmm. It is so hard to say because he took the wrong dose > (initially) and starting bleeding much more.... But I do still > believe there was blood stasis that HAD to be addressed, just not as > severely as first theorized. > > > > > > granular herb pharmacy we were using had a very lame choice > > in > > > herbs. > > > > do you mean the selection of stop bleeding herbs that was > > available? > > YES... > > > > > BTW, I heard you got 8 inches of snow. > > Don't remind me... & #61514; and it is coming down again as I type.. HAven't > fully adjusted yet..., but I should be acclimated very shortly... > -JAson > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 8 > Sat, 02 Nov 2002 18:12:09 -0800 > Al Stone <alstone > Re: really > Taught: > > While western medicine leaves a lot to be desired, western science is > quite holistic and it never ceases to amaze me how often science > supports what we do in TCM and CAM more than it supports the medicine > supposedly derived from it. > > Al Asks: > > can you tell me what you mean by " holistic " and how western > science is much that way? > > Also, what do you see in science that supports what we do in TCM and CAM? > > Thanks. > > -- > Al Stone L.Ac. > <AlStone > http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 My daughter is 35 years old. She has a throat condition called 'muscle tension dysphonia'. Has anyone ever heard of this? She cannot afford the expensive treatments from a trained specialist. He basically told her to HUM alot and never whisper which is bad for the vocal chords. She lost her voice for almost a year when her little 10 year old girl was diagnosed with ovarian cancer & was going through chemo. (PS Our little girl is now doing very well but this throat condition continues) I would appreciate any comments. Mary - Saturday, February 12, 2005 5:47 AM Digest Number 1183 There are 19 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Garden Parsnip - (Pastinaca sativa) Medicinal Action... truthseeker103 2. RE: The Anti-Depressant Fact Book: What Your Doctor Won't Tell You/depression " Dana Black " <danablack 3. Re: Digest Number 1159 Bjohnsonrn 4. Re: Digest Number 1159 Brenda Joyce <brendajoyce8 5. Re: New cost estimates prompt Congress to demand changes before benefit takes effect " luckypig " <luckypig 6. Re: Garden Parsnip - (Pastinaca sativa) Medicinal Action... " Sharon Jagger " <sharonjagger 7. Re: The Anti-Depressant Fact Book: What Your Doctor Won't Tell You/depression " Sharon Jagger " <sharonjagger 8. Re: The Anti-Depressant Fact Book: What Your Doctor Won't Tell You/depression " Sharon Jagger " <sharonjagger 9. Action Against Canadas Promotion of Terminaltor Seeds Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausen 10. RE: The Anti-Depressant Fact Book: What Your Doctor Won't Tell You/depression Purple Raptor <purple7raptor 11. Re: Chemtrails are no longer 'just a conspiracy theory' Walt <kortron 12. Action Against Canadas Promotion of Terminaltor Seeds " 121 " <121 13. Chemtrails An Insider Speaks Out Misty <misty3 14. Review of Medicinal Mushrooms Advances: Good News from Old Allies] 121 <121 15. SOY politics about $$$$] 121 <121 16. Making Chemtrails a Canadian Election Issue... 121 <121 17. Monsanto moves to clinch world food supply Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausen 18. Hang on to your aluminum foil beanies----HAARP to install 516 new antennas Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausen 19. Potentially Harmful Fluoride Levels In Some Instant Teas Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausen ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:44:37 EST truthseeker103 Re: Garden Parsnip - (Pastinaca sativa) Medicinal Action... We love parsnips!! They are a special remembrance of my grandfather who loved his garden. My favorite way to prepare them is to peel them and cut them in 1/2 " slices and fry them in butter to a golden brown. Turn them once. They are a special addition to any vegetable soup and I sometimes cook them along with my potatoes for a little extra something in my mashed potatoes. Give them a try. Deb > > > I dont think I have ever eaten parsnips in my entire life of 55 years. > > >> >> >> >> thanks so much, I just bought parsnips for juicing because I read it was >> good for acne, but this is the first time I've ever bought them, aside >> fro [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:59:08 -0700 " Dana Black " <danablack RE: The Anti-Depressant Fact Book: What Your Doctor Won't Tell You/depression Hi Sharon- I don't know if you or your son would be open to this, but check out a simple and very powerful technique called " Emotional Freedom Technique " or EFT. It consists, mainly, of tapping on various acupuncture (or energy) points on the body while saying some phrases. It sounds really simplistic, but it can be used for many, if not most, emotional problems. Vietnam veterans with post traumatic stress disorder have been cured of decades-long cases of PTSD with just a few sessions. Of course, nothing is 100% effective, but this is the most powerful emotional healing technique I've ever found. Check it out at http://www.emofree.com <http://www.emofree.com/> . Last I looked the procedure manual could be downloaded for free, and there are video CDs which can be purchased very inexpensively. It can be used to eliminate phobias, as well. I have helped a couple of friends with EFT, and once learned (which is very simple), you can use it on yourself. One caveat though, if a person has very deep-seated emotional problems, he might need a therapist to help him with the EFT, but in that case it usually makes the therapy much, much shorter. It sounds like your son might get some help from this, since the trauma that affected him recently is fairly clear cut. And if you could learn how it works, you might be able to help him with it. Popularity of the technique is growing, and there are many EFT practitioners around the country. Anyway, check it out. Anything that lessens or eliminates the cause of emotional problems would be better than antidepressants, since they are just a band-aid and don't even work for some folks (you know, like the ones that commit suicide). Feel free to email me privately if you have any questions. Regards, Dana Sharon Jagger [sharonjagger] I really appreciate this post. I will explain. my 30 year old son has been very depressed for quite a few years. It probably goes back to heartbreaks in his childhood that I neednt go into here. The straw that broke the camels back was his wife leaving him and taking the kids. since then he has been so depressed that he is completely anti social and unable to function normally. He refused to see his daughter because he said it made him too sad and he couldnt deal with it. he did have a job as a night janitor ( where he wouldnt have to associate with other humans much) and managed to keep that for about a year ( a major step down from his job as supervisor for the gas company only a few years ago) but for the most part, for the past 5 years or so he has been completely dysfunctional. He is argumentative, sullen, maybe even what you would call autistic, in that he is unable to communicate with others and has lost his ability for emotion. If he sits and watches a movie, no matter how funny or sad you will not see a laugh or a tear. When he was little he was outgoing and friendly and loved everyone. Now he is paranoid and friendless. when he does get someone willing to help him if they try to tell him something he rejects all advice and gets mad. ( example... his car broke down and we were told that it would cost more than the car was worth to repair it. he refused to believe that and insisted that for some reason the man at the repair shop was lying, and all it needed was a tuneup and got mad at me because I would not give him money to buy a new distributor cap.) . . . [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:42:15 EST Bjohnsonrn Re: Digest Number 1159 In a message dated 1/21/2005 5:39:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, writes: Barb, I have a spinal injury problem. Wouldn't the magnetic pad, (for mattress) be my best option? Please send more info. Thanks Charles Clark ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Charles, I am sorry that this took a couple of weeks, but I have been at my mom's, who has cancer, and both time and internet access have been a little spotty. With spinal injuries there are several things that have been known to help. The magnetic mattress definitely is one, along with a magnetic pillow that is orthopedically correct and holds the spine in the proper alignment. Depending upon what part of the spine, a magnetic pad over the area, and a chain around the neck, that hits the acupuncture points on either side of the spine, would be good. Also, I would suggest magnetic insoles, because if you use the right ones, the bumps on them will stimulate the reflexology points on the bottom of the feet, and the energy will travel through the meridians to the back area. Because I have Fibromyalgia, I use it all, although it took me quite a while. I definitely notice that when I wake up in the morning, my back is not nearly as sore as it used to be. the problem is, though, that if you do that at night, then your body does not get any of the natural energy during the day, which is why it is good to do the other things, as well. If you have a job where you sit at a computer, or desk, a magnetic seat cushion that sits on your chair will help. You really have to be careful which ones you get, because they are not all the same. I have tried different ones, and some actually make the situation worse. There is a specific configuration that is best for living cells. Barb RN, Health and Wellness Consultant ************************************* Energy technology products, help for sleep & discomfort Energized air treatment, w/ 5 filtering technologies Energized Water to oxygenate & alkalize, w/ coral calcium Packaged whole foods that are organic, non-GMO and macrobiotic Natural whole food dietary supplements Weighted exercise shoes - increase metabolism, burn calories, tone Rife technology, rebounders, Transfer Factor Plus whole colostrum, cesium, T-Plus Aloe (pp. 424- 431 in " Politics in Healing " ) Natural & non chemical makeup, shampoo, cleansers ************************************** [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:58:01 -0800 (PST) Brenda Joyce <brendajoyce8 Re: Digest Number 1159 Where do you get these? and also the magnetic soles for shoes....I have a heel I broke back in 99 and it hurts a lot sometimes and gets my legs to hurting..any ideals?....also I have a grandson that was shot when he was little and his legs kill him so, his spine was not hit but dramatized and splinters around it at the time, so he is in wheel chair and has lots of pain especially when the weather changes, he has no hope in walking as his muscels drew up on him when he was little and doctor cut them or something like that....but his hip and legs and my foot, legs and hip sometimes.....like some suggestions please.....brenda (ar Bjohnsonrn wrote:In a message dated 1/21/2005 5:39:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, writes: Barb, I have a spinal injury problem. Wouldn't the magnetic pad, (for mattress) be my best option? Please send more info. Thanks Charles Clark~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Charles, I am sorry that this took a couple of weeks, but I have been at my mom's, who has cancer, and both time and internet access have been a little spotty. With spinal injuries there are several things that have been known to help. The magnetic mattress definitely is one, along with a magnetic pillow that is orthopedically correct and holds the spine in the proper alignment. Depending upon what part of the spine, a magnetic pad over the area, and a chain around the neck, that hits the acupuncture points on either side of the spine, would be good. Also, I would suggest magnetic insoles, because if you use the right ones, the bumps on them will stimulate the reflexology points on the bottom of the feet, and the energy will travel through the meridians to the back area. Because I have Fibromyalgia, I use it all, although it took me quite a while. I definitely notice that when I wake up in the morning, my back is not nearly as sore as it used to be. the problem is, though, that if you do that at night, then your body does not get any of the natural energy during the day, which is why it is good to do the other things, as well. If you have a job where you sit at a computer, or desk, a magnetic seat cushion that sits on your chair will help. You really have to be careful which ones you get, because they are not all the same. I have tried different ones, and some actually make the situation worse. There is a specific configuration that is best for living cells. Barb RN, Health and Wellness Consultant ************************************* Energy technology products, help for sleep & discomfort Energized air treatment, w/ 5 filtering technologies Energized Water to oxygenate & alkalize, w/ coral calcium Packaged whole foods that are organic, non-GMO and macrobiotic Natural whole food dietary supplements Weighted exercise shoes - increase metabolism, burn calories, tone Rife technology, rebounders, Transfer Factor Plus whole colostrum, cesium, T-Plus Aloe (pp. 424- 431 in " Politics in Healing " ) Natural & non chemical makeup, shampoo, cleansers ************************************** «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» § - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! § Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. 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