Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 I have been having trouble with my soup as mentioned before , I just took out the leaves etc in the first boiling ,an filtered in the second boiling , I still have a bit of cloudy stuff in my soup ,should this be filted out complety ,or is it okay ,an should I now throw away my soup as I only filtered on the second boil ,. I can only take a teaspoon 3 times a day at most an this is the most my body can stand even then I still git the runs an have to have a day off every now an then, also I git a bit of a sick feeling through my body an cant take any more ,this has been going on for about 3 months , so I think I need to change somethink , my psa has come down from 18 to 14 so thats somethink . the first time in about seven years of it going up , ,I have never been treated by a doctor ,.an feel I am lucky to try another way as I only know four people who had cancer , they went to the doctor an are dead , regards mervyn norton ed4soup <ed4636 wrote: Filtration of the Oleander extract following the first boiling phaseis to remove all the large particulates. How you filter is optional.If you are planning to inject the OS, which is not necessary,requires the use of a super fine medical filter. There is no evidenceshowing that injecting OS is more effective than oral. What is thought, but not proven to be important, is that you shouldfilter the OS after the first boil, after allowing it to cool to roomtemp. One question does remain. What happens to the toxic chemicals in theoleander plant? Two answers are considered. First, the toxicchemicals are not released by boiling, and thus are thrown out withthe plant material. Second, the toxic elements are evaporated duringthe boiling process. Either way, the resulting extract "is said", tocontain only 1% of the toxic element in oleander, sufficient to dodamage to the diseased cells, be they cancer, or a list of other cellproliferating diseases, and not enough to be toxic to the user. Experience with OS has proven it's safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Mervyn -Trust me on this: Get yourself some 4 micron filter paper. There is no doubt in my mind that the fact that those who use oral Anvirzel DO NOT have the usual nausea and runs that those who use OS sometimes have. Do you use vodka or apple cider vinegar as the preservative. I am curious to know if perhaps there is a difference between the two insofar as the side effects.Anyway, Doc Ozel used 4 micron filters and the current Anvirzel manufacturer goes beyond that. You can likely find it at a medical supply company - and it is available on line at many many places. The cloudy material that you see is likely just precipitate formed from organic compounds clumping together.I am anxious to see someone try the 4 micron filtration, maybe even with already made OS and see it there is not a noticeable difference! This is an issue that needs answered! I do not think the side effects are harmful and your positive reports are encouraging - but what if the side effects are largely unneccessary?I highly suggest you also follow my anti-cancer protocol in addition to the OS.Tonyevita christanty <evitachristanty wrote: I have been having trouble with my soup as mentioned before , I just took out the leaves etc in the first boiling ,an filtered in the second boiling , I still have a bit of cloudy stuff in my soup ,should this be filted out complety ,or is it okay ,an should I now throw away my soup as I only filtered on the second boil ,. I can only take a teaspoon 3 times a day at most an this is the most my body can stand even then I still git the runs an have to have a day off every now an then, also I git a bit of a sick feeling through my body an cant take any more ,this has been going on for about 3 months , so I think I need to change somethink , my psa has come down from 18 to 14 so thats somethink . the first time in about seven years of it going up , ,I have never been treated by a doctor ,.an feel I am lucky to try another way as I only know four people who had cancer , they went to the doctor an are dead , regards mervyn norton ed4soup <ed4636 wrote: Filtration of the Oleander extract following the first boiling phaseis to remove all the large particulates. How you filter is optional.If you are planning to inject the OS, which is not necessary,requires the use of a super fine medical filter. There is no evidenceshowing that injecting OS is more effective than oral. What is thought, but not proven to be important, is that you shouldfilter the OS after the first boil, after allowing it to cool to roomtemp. One question does remain. What happens to the toxic chemicals in theoleander plant? Two answers are considered. First, the toxicchemicals are not released by boiling, and thus are thrown out withthe plant material. Second, the toxic elements are evaporated duringthe boiling process. Either way, the resulting extract "is said", tocontain only 1% of the toxic element in oleander, sufficient to dodamage to the diseased cells, be they cancer, or a list of other cellproliferating diseases, and not enough to be toxic to the user. Experience with OS has proven it's safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Tony, regarding filtration, I tried to get 4 micron filtration paper online, but I found the lab supply websites unsuitable for small orders, so I ordered wine filters from a home brew site, and those filters didn't work well, but my OS turned out great anyway, as clear as chicken soup, no side effects yet. For the future though, can you or anyone else recommend a lab supply website in the U.S. that ships by priority mail and doesn't ask for a social security number? Also, I made so much OS, I had to freeze some in large coke bottles, just to get rid of it. Does it work after it's been frozen? Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 The problem with the 4mc. filter is that it will clog rapidly, and have to be replaced after straining several ounces. I use the four paper towel filtering with large plastic strainers. To remove all but a slight trace of powder, I repeat the procedure. Even using paper towels, you have to replace the top towel after several cups of straining, due to clogging. Having used the original Anvirzel, which is filtered for direct injection into the muscle, I noticed the powder residue at the bottom of the vial. It is harmless and a signature of anvirzel and oleander soup. oleander soup , Tony Isaacs wrote: > > Mervyn - > > Trust me on this: Get yourself some 4 micron filter paper. There is no doubt in my mind that the fact that those who use oral Anvirzel DO NOT have the usual nausea and runs that those who use OS sometimes have. Do you use vodka or apple cider vinegar as the preservative. I am curious to know if perhaps there is a difference between the two insofar as the side effects. > > Anyway, Doc Ozel used 4 micron filters and the current Anvirzel manufacturer goes beyond that. You can likely find it at a medical supply company - and it is available on line at many many places. The cloudy material that you see is likely just precipitate formed from organic compounds clumping together. > > I am anxious to see someone try the 4 micron filtration, maybe even with already made OS and see it there is not a noticeable difference! This is an issue that needs answered! I do not think the side effects are harmful and your positive reports are encouraging - but what if the side effects are largely unneccessary? > > I highly suggest you also follow my anti-cancer protocol in addition to the OS. > > > > evita christanty <evitachristanty wrote: I have been having trouble with my soup as mentioned before , > I just took out the leaves etc in the first boiling ,an filtered in the second boiling , > I still have a bit of cloudy stuff in my soup ,should this be filted out complety ,or is it okay ,an should I now throw away my soup as I only filtered on the second boil ,. > I can only take a teaspoon 3 times a day at most an this is the most my body can stand even then I still git the runs an have to have a day off every now an then, also I git a bit of a sick feeling through my body an cant take any more ,this has been going on for about 3 months , so I think I need to change somethink , my psa has come down from 18 to 14 so thats somethink . the first time in about seven years of it going up , ,I have never been treated by a doctor ,.an feel I am lucky to try another way as I only know four people who had cancer , they went to the doctor an are dead , > regards mervyn norton > > > ed4soup <ed4636 wrote: > Filtration of the Oleander extract following the first boiling phase > is to remove all the large particulates. How you filter is optional. > If you are planning to inject the OS, which is not necessary, > requires the use of a super fine medical filter. There is no evidence > showing that injecting OS is more effective than oral. > > What is thought, but not proven to be important, is that you should > filter the OS after the first boil, after allowing it to cool to room > temp. > > One question does remain. What happens to the toxic chemicals in the > oleander plant? Two answers are considered. First, the toxic > chemicals are not released by boiling, and thus are thrown out with > the plant material. Second, the toxic elements are evaporated during > the boiling process. Either way, the resulting extract " is said " , to > contain only 1% of the toxic element in oleander, sufficient to do > damage to the diseased cells, be they cancer, or a list of other cell > proliferating diseases, and not enough to be toxic to the user. > Experience with OS has proven it's safety. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 All I did was do a Google search and get pages and pages of hits. I did not actually order any though, so I guess that will take a bit more extensive search. As for the freezing, I cannot see why it would matter - as Anvirzel itself is freeze dried. But I am just a layman. As for the filtering - all I know is this: some folks who use OS have varying degrees of nausea, stomach distress and loose bowels and some don't. Maybe some of that is just natural differences between individuals, maybe it has to do with how well the OS was filtered, maybe a bit of both. But I do know that I have not heard of a single instance of those particular side effects in those who use oral Anvirzel. I am convinced that filtering plays a key role. And if you use a filter that is larger than 4 microns, no matter how many times you filter it and no matter how many layers you use, particles and compounds larger than 4 microns are going to pass through, whether you use paper towels, a bath towel, cloth, your old athletic socks or Great Aunt Pernellapie's bloomers. Given the choice I would opt for the 4 micron filters. The next best bet would be the suggestion to continue replacing the paper towels and to filter an extra time of two. Dashing to the loo is not one of my favorite form of exercises. One thing worth always noting - the side effects of OS, when present, are almost always many times milder than traditional chemo or radiation. When present, they generally disappear in time as the body becomes acclimated. A suggestion to everyone - if you aren't taking some of the OS and further boiling it down to a syrupy consistency to mix with a good aloe/vitmain e skin cream, you are missing out! Age spots, moles, wart, pre-cancerous lesions and all kinds of skin thingies disappear when the cream is used regularly. Additional note: Over 500 different compounds have been identified in the oleander plant. The most potent of these in fighting cancer are believed to be the handful of cardiac glyocides, primarily oleandrin and to a much lesser extend and presence oleandrinogen. However, it has been demonstrated that those ingredients alone are not nearly as effective as they are when key other compounds are present, particularly the long chain polysacharrides. Certainly, cardiac glyocosides like oleandrin can be toxic - as they cross assay for digitalis/digoxin. However, the amount of oleandrin in OS or Anvirzel is quiter small (less than 1%). Oleandrin is only one of three major compounds that make the raw oleander plant deadly to most animals and insects, The others are oleandroside and nerioside. I do not know how much of the latter two the boiling and filtering eliminates. While the much reduced toxicity of oleander and Anvirzel play key roles in fighting cancer and other bad cells, toxicity alone does not explain all of the beneficial actions. It in fact remains a mystery to even the best scientist who have studied oleander extract and oleandrin - but it is generally agreed that a synergistic combination among the mosiac of compounds known only to nature somehow enables oleander to attack bad cells, and ONLY bad cells, killing them, stopping them from growing and stopping them from multiplying - while at the same time greatly enhancing the bodies immune system. It may not be a magic bullet but it pretty awe inspiring to me and a growing number of others. Tony astrolog wrote: Tony, regarding filtration, I tried to get 4 micron filtration paper online, but I found the lab supply websites unsuitable for small orders, so I ordered wine filters from a home brew site, and those filters didn't work well, but my OS turned out great anyway, as clear as chicken soup, no side effects yet. For the future though, can you or anyone else recommend a lab supply website in the U.S. that ships by priority mail and doesn't ask for a social security number? Also, I made so much OS, I had to freeze some in large coke bottles, just to get rid of it. Does it work after it's been frozen? Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 dear Tony, I use cider vinegar , I will try to find some filters an use it on my present batch ,.it may take a bit for me to git hold of them ,. in the meantime I will also make a new batch an filter it after the first boiling with the normal filter way an see what happens , will keep you posted on what happens ,. also Tony where do I find your anti_cancer protocal , regards mervyn Tony Isaacs wrote: Mervyn -Trust me on this: Get yourself some 4 micron filter paper. There is no doubt in my mind that the fact that those who use oral Anvirzel DO NOT have the usual nausea and runs that those who use OS sometimes have. Do you use vodka or apple cider vinegar as the preservative. I am curious to know if perhaps there is a difference between the two insofar as the side effects.Anyway, Doc Ozel used 4 micron filters and the current Anvirzel manufacturer goes beyond that. You can likely find it at a medical supply company - and it is available on line at many many places. The cloudy material that you see is likely just precipitate formed from organic compounds clumping together.I am anxious to see someone try the 4 micron filtration, maybe even with already made OS and see it there is not a noticeable difference! This is an issue that needs answered! I do not think the side effects are harmful and your positive reports are encouraging - but what if the side effects are largely unneccessary?I highly suggest you also follow my anti-cancer protocol in addition to the OS.Tonyevita christanty <evitachristanty wrote: I have been having trouble with my soup as mentioned before , I just took out the leaves etc in the first boiling ,an filtered in the second boiling , I still have a bit of cloudy stuff in my soup ,should this be filted out complety ,or is it okay ,an should I now throw away my soup as I only filtered on the second boil ,. I can only take a teaspoon 3 times a day at most an this is the most my body can stand even then I still git the runs an have to have a day off every now an then, also I git a bit of a sick feeling through my body an cant take any more ,this has been going on for about 3 months , so I think I need to change somethink , my psa has come down from 18 to 14 so thats somethink . the first time in about seven years of it going up , ,I have never been treated by a doctor ,.an feel I am lucky to try another way as I only know four people who had cancer , they went to the doctor an are dead , regards mervyn norton ed4soup <ed4636 wrote: Filtration of the Oleander extract following the first boiling phaseis to remove all the large particulates. How you filter is optional.If you are planning to inject the OS, which is not necessary,requires the use of a super fine medical filter. There is no evidenceshowing that injecting OS is more effective than oral. What is thought, but not proven to be important, is that you shouldfilter the OS after the first boil, after allowing it to cool to roomtemp. One question does remain. What happens to the toxic chemicals in theoleander plant? Two answers are considered. First, the toxicchemicals are not released by boiling, and thus are thrown out withthe plant material. Second, the toxic elements are evaporated duringthe boiling process. Either way, the resulting extract "is said", tocontain only 1% of the toxic element in oleander, sufficient to dodamage to the diseased cells, be they cancer, or a list of other cellproliferating diseases, and not enough to be toxic to the user. Experience with OS has proven it's safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Just for grins, this time around how about you make half of it with vodka and half with the apple cider vinegar and see if there might be a difference in the side effects. Also, you might consider using a few layers of coffee filters for a final filtering. I have even wondered about letting it cool to room temp and running it through a coffe maker with about 3 filters as an added filtering process. Of course you would want to run a couple of rounds of 50/50 water vinegar and a couple more of water through the cofee maker afterwards to clear any traces of the OS that might make your coffee a wee bit off. NOW - as for the anti-cancer protocol, all you have to do is go to the littel yellow box in the upper left of the screen when you are here in the OS forum and click on files. You might be surprised at all the good stuff you will find which I have uploaded for our forum members. The protocol is also in my book - but I do not think it is proper etiquette for ME to promote my book in my posts here. Let us know how things work out. oleander soup , evita christanty <evitachristanty wrote: > > dear Tony, > I use cider vinegar , > I will try to find some filters an use it on my present batch ,.it may take a bit for me to git hold of them ,. > in the meantime I will also make a new batch an filter it after the first boiling with the normal filter way an see what happens , will keep you posted on what happens ,. > also Tony where do I find your anti_cancer protocal , > regards mervyn > > Tony Isaacs wrote: > Mervyn - > > Trust me on this: Get yourself some 4 micron filter paper. There is no doubt in my mind that the fact that those who use oral Anvirzel DO NOT have the usual nausea and runs that those who use OS sometimes have. Do you use vodka or apple cider vinegar as the preservative. I am curious to know if perhaps there is a difference between the two insofar as the side effects. > > Anyway, Doc Ozel used 4 micron filters and the current Anvirzel manufacturer goes beyond that. You can likely find it at a medical supply company - and it is available on line at many many places. The cloudy material that you see is likely just precipitate formed from organic compounds clumping together. > > I am anxious to see someone try the 4 micron filtration, maybe even with already made OS and see it there is not a noticeable difference! This is an issue that needs answered! I do not think the side effects are harmful and your positive reports are encouraging - but what if the side effects are largely unneccessary? > > I highly suggest you also follow my anti-cancer protocol in addition to the OS. > > > > evita christanty <evitachristanty wrote: I have been having trouble with my soup as mentioned before , > I just took out the leaves etc in the first boiling ,an filtered in the second boiling , > I still have a bit of cloudy stuff in my soup ,should this be filted out complety ,or is it okay ,an should I now throw away my soup as I only filtered on the second boil ,. > I can only take a teaspoon 3 times a day at most an this is the most my body can stand even then I still git the runs an have to have a day off every now an then, also I git a bit of a sick feeling through my body an cant take any more ,this has been going on for about 3 months , so I think I need to change somethink , my psa has come down from 18 to 14 so thats somethink . the first time in about seven years of it going up , ,I have never been treated by a doctor ,.an feel I am lucky to try another way as I only know four people who had cancer , they went to the doctor an are dead , > regards mervyn norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Ozel says to filter at room temp., not hot. I assume his reason is that much of the undesirable components are suspended hot, and filter only when cooled. I've tried it both ways. A lot of junk remains when filtering hot, which is then seen in the filters when repeated cold. Does it really make a difference? Only a careful chemical analysis of the different results would tell. oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > Just for grins, this time around how about you make half of it with > vodka and half with the apple cider vinegar and see if there might be > a difference in the side effects. > > Also, you might consider using a few layers of coffee filters for a > final filtering. I have even wondered about letting it cool to room > temp and running it through a coffe maker with about 3 filters as an > added filtering process. Of course you would want to run a couple of > rounds of 50/50 water vinegar and a couple more of water through the > cofee maker afterwards to clear any traces of the OS that might make > your coffee a wee bit off. > > NOW - as for the anti-cancer protocol, all you have to do is go to the > littel yellow box in the upper left of the screen when you are here in > the OS forum and click on files. You might be surprised at all the > good stuff you will find which I have uploaded for our forum members. > > The protocol is also in my book - but I do not think it is proper > etiquette for ME to promote my book in my posts here. > > Let us know how things work out. > > > > > oleander soup , evita christanty > <evitachristanty@> wrote: > > > > dear Tony, > > I use cider vinegar , > > I will try to find some filters an use it on my present batch > ,.it may take a bit for me to git hold of them ,. > > in the meantime I will also make a new batch an filter it after > the first boiling with the normal filter way an see what happens , > will keep you posted on what happens ,. > > also Tony where do I find your anti_cancer protocal , > > regards mervyn > > > > Tony Isaacs @> wrote: > > Mervyn - > > > > Trust me on this: Get yourself some 4 micron filter paper. There > is no doubt in my mind that the fact that those who use oral Anvirzel > DO NOT have the usual nausea and runs that those who use OS sometimes > have. Do you use vodka or apple cider vinegar as the preservative. I > am curious to know if perhaps there is a difference between the two > insofar as the side effects. > > > > Anyway, Doc Ozel used 4 micron filters and the current Anvirzel > manufacturer goes beyond that. You can likely find it at a medical > supply company - and it is available on line at many many places. The > cloudy material that you see is likely just precipitate formed from > organic compounds clumping together. > > > > I am anxious to see someone try the 4 micron filtration, maybe even > with already made OS and see it there is not a noticeable difference! > This is an issue that needs answered! I do not think the side > effects are harmful and your positive reports are encouraging - but > what if the side effects are largely unneccessary? > > > > I highly suggest you also follow my anti-cancer protocol in addition > to the OS. > > > > > > > > evita christanty <evitachristanty@> wrote: I have been having > trouble with my soup as mentioned before , > > I just took out the leaves etc in the first boiling ,an filtered > in the second boiling , > > I still have a bit of cloudy stuff in my soup ,should this be > filted out complety ,or is it okay ,an should I now throw away my soup > as I only filtered on the second boil ,. > > I can only take a teaspoon 3 times a day at most an this is the > most my body can stand even then I still git the runs an have to have > a day off every now an then, also I git a bit of a sick feeling > through my body an cant take any more ,this has been going on for > about 3 months , so I think I need to change somethink , my psa has > come down from 18 to 14 so thats somethink . the first time in about > seven years of it going up , ,I have never been treated by a doctor > ,.an feel I am lucky to try another way as I only know four people who > had cancer , they went to the doctor an are dead , > > regards mervyn norton > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Thanks Ed - that kinda answers my question about using the old coffeemaker. I was thinking of using it as an extra filtering stage though. And I still would say that using multiple layers of coffee filters would be a pretty good way of filtering the room temperature OS.Tonyed4soup <ed4636 wrote: Ozel says to filter at room temp., not hot. I assume his reason is that much of the undesirable components are suspended hot, and filter only when cooled. I've tried it both ways. A lot of junk remains when filtering hot, which is then seen in the filters when repeated cold. Does it really make a difference? Only a careful chemical analysis of the different results would tell. oleander soup , "Tony" wrote: > > Just for grins, this time around how about you make half of it with > vodka and half with the apple cider vinegar and see if there might be > a difference in the side effects. > > Also, you might consider using a few layers of coffee filters for a > final filtering. I have even wondered about letting it cool to room > temp and running it through a coffe maker with about 3 filters as an > added filtering process. Of course you would want to run a couple of > rounds of 50/50 water vinegar and a couple more of water through the > cofee maker afterwards to clear any traces of the OS that might make > your coffee a wee bit off. > > NOW - as for the anti-cancer protocol, all you have to do is go to the > littel yellow box in the upper left of the screen when you are here in > the OS forum and click on files. You might be surprised at all the > good stuff you will find which I have uploaded for our forum members. > > The protocol is also in my book - but I do not think it is proper > etiquette for ME to promote my book in my posts here. > > Let us know how things work out. > > Tony > > > oleander soup , evita christanty > <evitachristanty@> wrote: > > > > dear Tony, > > I use cider vinegar , > > I will try to find some filters an use it on my present batch > ,.it may take a bit for me to git hold of them ,. > > in the meantime I will also make a new batch an filter it after > the first boiling with the normal filter way an see what happens , > will keep you posted on what happens ,. > > also Tony where do I find your anti_cancer protocal , > > regards mervyn > > > > Tony Isaacs @> wrote: > > Mervyn - > > > > Trust me on this: Get yourself some 4 micron filter paper. There > is no doubt in my mind that the fact that those who use oral Anvirzel > DO NOT have the usual nausea and runs that those who use OS sometimes > have. Do you use vodka or apple cider vinegar as the preservative. I > am curious to know if perhaps there is a difference between the two > insofar as the side effects. > > > > Anyway, Doc Ozel used 4 micron filters and the current Anvirzel > manufacturer goes beyond that. You can likely find it at a medical > supply company - and it is available on line at many many places. The > cloudy material that you see is likely just precipitate formed from > organic compounds clumping together. > > > > I am anxious to see someone try the 4 micron filtration, maybe even > with already made OS and see it there is not a noticeable difference! > This is an issue that needs answered! I do not think the side > effects are harmful and your positive reports are encouraging - but > what if the side effects are largely unneccessary? > > > > I highly suggest you also follow my anti-cancer protocol in addition > to the OS. > > > > Tony > > > > evita christanty <evitachristanty@> wrote: I have been having > trouble with my soup as mentioned before , > > I just took out the leaves etc in the first boiling ,an filtered > in the second boiling , > > I still have a bit of cloudy stuff in my soup ,should this be > filted out complety ,or is it okay ,an should I now throw away my soup > as I only filtered on the second boil ,. > > I can only take a teaspoon 3 times a day at most an this is the > most my body can stand even then I still git the runs an have to have > a day off every now an then, also I git a bit of a sick feeling > through my body an cant take any more ,this has been going on for > about 3 months , so I think I need to change somethink , my psa has > come down from 18 to 14 so thats somethink . the first time in about > seven years of it going up , ,I have never been treated by a doctor > ,.an feel I am lucky to try another way as I only know four people who > had cancer , they went to the doctor an are dead , > > regards mervyn norton > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 dear Tony, making a new batch today ,will try both vinegar an vodka ,an see how it goes ,will keep you posted I live in bali at the moment ,Kadek a young bali girl works for me she seen me cooking the oleander an said her dad cooks the fruit (seed pods)for his diabeties an uses it boiled an mixed with arak ,.I will find out more about this an keep you posted when I meet her dad , regards mervyn Tony wrote: Just for grins, this time around how about you make half of it withvodka and half with the apple cider vinegar and see if there might bea difference in the side effects.Also, you might consider using a few layers of coffee filters for afinal filtering. I have even wondered about letting it cool to roomtemp and running it through a coffe maker with about 3 filters as anadded filtering process. Of course you would want to run a couple ofrounds of 50/50 water vinegar and a couple more of water through thecofee maker afterwards to clear any traces of the OS that might makeyour coffee a wee bit off.NOW - as for the anti-cancer protocol, all you have to do is go to thelittel yellow box in the upper left of the screen when you are here inthe OS forum and click on files. You might be surprised at all thegood stuff you will find which I have uploaded for our forum members.The protocol is also in my book - but I do not think it is properetiquette for ME to promote my book in my posts here.Let us know how things work out.Tonyoleander soup , evita christantywrote:>> dear Tony,> I use cider vinegar , > I will try to find some filters an use it on my present batch,.it may take a bit for me to git hold of them ,.> in the meantime I will also make a new batch an filter it afterthe first boiling with the normal filter way an see what happens ,will keep you posted on what happens ,.> also Tony where do I find your anti_cancer protocal ,> regards mervyn > > Tony Isaacs wrote:> Mervyn -> > Trust me on this: Get yourself some 4 micron filter paper. Thereis no doubt in my mind that the fact that those who use oral AnvirzelDO NOT have the usual nausea and runs that those who use OS sometimeshave. Do you use vodka or apple cider vinegar as the preservative. Iam curious to know if perhaps there is a difference between the twoinsofar as the side effects.> > Anyway, Doc Ozel used 4 micron filters and the current Anvirzelmanufacturer goes beyond that. You can likely find it at a medicalsupply company - and it is available on line at many many places. Thecloudy material that you see is likely just precipitate formed fromorganic compounds clumping together.> > I am anxious to see someone try the 4 micron filtration, maybe evenwith already made OS and see it there is not a noticeable difference!This is an issue that needs answered! I do not think the sideeffects are harmful and your positive reports are encouraging - butwhat if the side effects are largely unneccessary?> > I highly suggest you also follow my anti-cancer protocol in additionto the OS.> > Tony> > evita christanty wrote: I have been havingtrouble with my soup as mentioned before , > I just took out the leaves etc in the first boiling ,an filteredin the second boiling ,> I still have a bit of cloudy stuff in my soup ,should this befilted out complety ,or is it okay ,an should I now throw away my soupas I only filtered on the second boil ,. > I can only take a teaspoon 3 times a day at most an this is themost my body can stand even then I still git the runs an have to havea day off every now an then, also I git a bit of a sick feelingthrough my body an cant take any more ,this has been going on forabout 3 months , so I think I need to change somethink , my psa hascome down from 18 to 14 so thats somethink . the first time in aboutseven years of it going up , ,I have never been treated by a doctor,.an feel I am lucky to try another way as I only know four people whohad cancer , they went to the doctor an are dead ,> regards mervyn norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 dear Tony, I ended up only making a small batch of soup so I only used Vodka with coffee filters ,this is much better taste can bare it,an it does not make me any where as sick ,The only thing is I forgot it for a while an boiled it for an extra hour ,would this make any differance to the product, ? will make a double batch next time an use vinegar as well, regards mervyn Tony wrote: Just for grins, this time around how about you make half of it withvodka and half with the apple cider vinegar and see if there might bea difference in the side effects.Also, you might consider using a few layers of coffee filters for afinal filtering. I have even wondered about letting it cool to roomtemp and running it through a coffe maker with about 3 filters as anadded filtering process. Of course you would want to run a couple ofrounds of 50/50 water vinegar and a couple more of water through thecofee maker afterwards to clear any traces of the OS that might makeyour coffee a wee bit off.NOW - as for the anti-cancer protocol, all you have to do is go to thelittel yellow box in the upper left of the screen when you are here inthe OS forum and click on files. You might be surprised at all thegood stuff you will find which I have uploaded for our forum members.The protocol is also in my book - but I do not think it is properetiquette for ME to promote my book in my posts here.Let us know how things work out.Tonyoleander soup , evita christantywrote:>> dear Tony,> I use cider vinegar , > I will try to find some filters an use it on my present batch,.it may take a bit for me to git hold of them ,.> in the meantime I will also make a new batch an filter it afterthe first boiling with the normal filter way an see what happens ,will keep you posted on what happens ,.> also Tony where do I find your anti_cancer protocal ,> regards mervyn > > Tony Isaacs wrote:> Mervyn -> > Trust me on this: Get yourself some 4 micron filter paper. Thereis no doubt in my mind that the fact that those who use oral AnvirzelDO NOT have the usual nausea and runs that those who use OS sometimeshave. Do you use vodka or apple cider vinegar as the preservative. Iam curious to know if perhaps there is a difference between the twoinsofar as the side effects.> > Anyway, Doc Ozel used 4 micron filters and the current Anvirzelmanufacturer goes beyond that. You can likely find it at a medicalsupply company - and it is available on line at many many places. Thecloudy material that you see is likely just precipitate formed fromorganic compounds clumping together.> > I am anxious to see someone try the 4 micron filtration, maybe evenwith already made OS and see it there is not a noticeable difference!This is an issue that needs answered! I do not think the sideeffects are harmful and your positive reports are encouraging - butwhat if the side effects are largely unneccessary?> > I highly suggest you also follow my anti-cancer protocol in additionto the OS.> > Tony> > evita christanty wrote: I have been havingtrouble with my soup as mentioned before , > I just took out the leaves etc in the first boiling ,an filteredin the second boiling ,> I still have a bit of cloudy stuff in my soup ,should this befilted out complety ,or is it okay ,an should I now throw away my soupas I only filtered on the second boil ,. > I can only take a teaspoon 3 times a day at most an this is themost my body can stand even then I still git the runs an have to havea day off every now an then, also I git a bit of a sick feelingthrough my body an cant take any more ,this has been going on forabout 3 months , so I think I need to change somethink , my psa hascome down from 18 to 14 so thats somethink . the first time in aboutseven years of it going up , ,I have never been treated by a doctor,.an feel I am lucky to try another way as I only know four people whohad cancer , they went to the doctor an are dead ,> regards mervyn norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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