Oleander soup: regarding side effects and taste

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I have had no side effects at all from the oleander soup that I ran back through coffee filters after it had been made the regular way with layers of paper towels and colanders. This matches the experiences of those I know , including my own uncle, who have taken Anvirzel orally.When I hold the soup under my tongue, there is virtually no taste, but when you swallow it there is a rather unpleasant taste to it - but not one that is nauseating or makes you gag so much as one you want to chase quickly with something like a tart fruit juice, such as grape, raspberry, cranberry or my favorite (due to it's high anti-oxidant quality) pomegranate.I have heard from some who use a syrup type flavoring, such as boysenberry, to mix in with the soup. Due to the sugar in syrup, I would suggest something like a concentrated grape juice that contains grape seed extract.Sometimes I chase the soup with an extra teaspoon of natural unfiltered organic apple

cider (such as Braggs) and then add another liquid and/or a bite of food.Let us know how the "double batch" you mix with vinegar turns out.Tonyevita christanty <evitachristanty wrote: dear Tony, I ended up only making a small batch of soup so I only used Vodka with coffee filters ,this is much better taste can bare it,an it does not make me any where as sick ,The only thing is I forgot it for a while an boiled it for an extra hour ,would this make any differance to the product, ? will make a double batch next time an use vinegar as well, regards mervyn Tony wrote: Just for grins, this time around how about you make half of it withvodka and half with the apple cider vinegar and see if there might bea difference in the side effects.Also, you might consider using a few layers of coffee filters for afinal filtering. I have even wondered about letting it cool to roomtemp and running it through a coffe maker with about 3 filters as anadded filtering process. Of course you would want to run a couple ofrounds of 50/50 water vinegar and a couple more of water through thecofee maker afterwards to clear any traces of the OS that might makeyour coffee a wee bit off.NOW - as for the anti-cancer protocol, all you have to do is go to thelittel yellow box in the upper left of the screen when you are here inthe OS forum and click on files. You might be surprised at all thegood stuff you will find which I

have uploaded for our forum members.The protocol is also in my book - but I do not think it is properetiquette for ME to promote my book in my posts here.Let us know how things work out.Tonyoleander soup , evita christantywrote:>> dear Tony,> I use cider vinegar , > I will try to find some filters an use it on my present batch,.it may take a bit for me to git hold of them ,.> in the meantime I will also make a new batch an filter it afterthe first boiling with the normal filter way an see what happens ,will keep you posted on what happens ,.> also Tony where do I find your anti_cancer protocal ,> regards mervyn > > Tony Isaacs wrote:> Mervyn -> > Trust me on this: Get yourself some 4 micron filter paper. Thereis no doubt in my mind that the fact that those who use oral

AnvirzelDO NOT have the usual nausea and runs that those who use OS sometimeshave. Do you use vodka or apple cider vinegar as the preservative. Iam curious to know if perhaps there is a difference between the twoinsofar as the side effects.> > Anyway, Doc Ozel used 4 micron filters and the current Anvirzelmanufacturer goes beyond that. You can likely find it at a medicalsupply company - and it is available on line at many many places. Thecloudy material that you see is likely just precipitate formed fromorganic compounds clumping together.> > I am anxious to see someone try the 4 micron filtration, maybe evenwith already made OS and see it there is not a noticeable difference!This is an issue that needs answered! I do not think the sideeffects are harmful and your positive reports are encouraging - butwhat if the side effects are largely unneccessary?> > I highly suggest you also

follow my anti-cancer protocol in additionto the OS.> > Tony> > evita christanty wrote: I have been havingtrouble with my soup as mentioned before , > I just took out the leaves etc in the first boiling ,an filteredin the second boiling ,> I still have a bit of cloudy stuff in my soup ,should this befilted out complety ,or is it okay ,an should I now throw away my soupas I only filtered on the second boil ,. > I can only take a teaspoon 3 times a day at most an this is themost my body can stand even then I still git the runs an have to havea day off every now an then, also I git a bit of a sick feelingthrough my body an cant take any more ,this has been going on forabout 3 months , so I think I need to change somethink , my psa hascome down from 18 to 14 so thats somethink . the first time in aboutseven years of it going up , ,I have never been treated by a

doctor,.an feel I am lucky to try another way as I only know four people whohad cancer , they went to the doctor an are dead ,> regards mervyn norton

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For my last batch, I skipped the syrup. I tried lemon extract

instead. This is much more palatable. Since lemon oil/juice has

preservative properties, its use is doubly efficacious.

 

Dr. Goebel

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oleander soup , " goebelchx " <goebelchx wrote:

>

> For my last batch, I skipped the syrup. I tried lemon extract

> instead. This is much more palatable. Since lemon oil/juice has

> preservative properties, its use is doubly efficacious.

>

> Dr. Goebel

>

Sounds like a great idea to me. I might suggest also trying

concentrated grape seed extract, as grape seed has wonderful

anti-oxidant, immune boosting and anti-cancer properties.

 

Lately, I have been holding the " soup " under my tongue for awhile and

then chasing it with a swig of Bragg's apple cider vinegar followed by

a chewable vitamin C tablet. After that, I take my handful of daily

vitamins and supplements with a glass of filtered spring water.

 

I am thrilled to report that my uncle, who is taking a combination of

the patented oleander extract Anvirzel and his own home-made oleander

soup (essentially the same thing in my opinion), reports that he is

doing so well that his oncologist said he need not come back for

another visit for three months!

 

My uncle followed my suggestion of using several coffee filters to

filter the oleander soup a final time and reports that he has never

experienced even moderate nausea or diaherrhea. The same is true for

me and I would like to see some other members try that and give us a

report. As a matter of fact, I would love to hear more reports from

other group members about how they are doing and how those they know

who use oleander are doing.

 

I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to all of the group

members for my inactivity in recent months. I have been spending 12

plus hour days seven days a week for the past four months helping with

another cause I believe in - serving as a resident supervisor and

nutritional advisor at a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center for

young men. I plan to become much more active in the group as well as

return to my research and writing soon.

 

Live long, live healthy, live happy!

 

Tony Isaacs

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I've never experienced any nausea from oleander soup. The most I take

at one time is a tablespoon. I always cook mine for at least 6 hours.

I use coffee filters and lint-less paper towels for filters. There are

many good anti-oxidant juices that could be mixed. Besides grapeseed

or pomengranite, mangosteen comes to mind (another anti-cancer agent).

Chapparral seems to have the most powerful anti-oxidant mixture; I

would consider it, too.

 

Dr. Goebel

 

--- Tony wrote:

 

> oleander soup , " goebelchx " <goebelchx

> wrote:

> >

> > For my last batch, I skipped the syrup. I tried lemon extract

> > instead. This is much more palatable. Since lemon oil/juice has

> > preservative properties, its use is doubly efficacious.

> >

> > Dr. Goebel

> >

> Sounds like a great idea to me. I might suggest also trying

> concentrated grape seed extract, as grape seed has wonderful

> anti-oxidant, immune boosting and anti-cancer properties.

>

> Lately, I have been holding the " soup " under my tongue for awhile and

> then chasing it with a swig of Bragg's apple cider vinegar followed

> by

> a chewable vitamin C tablet. After that, I take my handful of daily

> vitamins and supplements with a glass of filtered spring water.

>

> I am thrilled to report that my uncle, who is taking a combination of

> the patented oleander extract Anvirzel and his own home-made oleander

> soup (essentially the same thing in my opinion), reports that he is

> doing so well that his oncologist said he need not come back for

> another visit for three months!

>

> My uncle followed my suggestion of using several coffee filters to

> filter the oleander soup a final time and reports that he has never

> experienced even moderate nausea or diaherrhea. The same is true for

> me and I would like to see some other members try that and give us a

> report. As a matter of fact, I would love to hear more reports from

> other group members about how they are doing and how those they know

> who use oleander are doing.

>

> I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to all of the

> group

> members for my inactivity in recent months. I have been spending 12

> plus hour days seven days a week for the past four months helping

> with

> another cause I believe in - serving as a resident supervisor and

> nutritional advisor at a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center for

> young men. I plan to become much more active in the group as well as

> return to my research and writing soon.

>

> Live long, live healthy, live happy!

>

> Tony Isaacs

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Have you perchance read my book " Cancer's Natural Enemy " or downloaded

any of the files I have posted here to this group, such as " A Plan for

Living a Long and Healthy Life " or " The Anti Cancer Protocol " (both of

which are included in the aforementioned book and my upcoming book)?

We seem to like the same things is one reason I ask - pomegranite is

my favorite anti-oxidant juice, for example.

 

There has been some debate in and outside of this forum regarding the

value of extra filtration. I to the theory that more

filtration leads to fewer side effects, such as nausea, loose bowels

and mild headaches. Anvirzel is filtered through less than 4 microns,

acording to the original patent of Doctor Ozel, and there are very few

reports of such side effects when it is taken orally. Similarly, I am

finding that the more filtration one uses for oleander soup, the fewer

side effects.

 

 

oleander soup , Michael Goebel <goebelchx wrote:

>

> I've never experienced any nausea from oleander soup. The most I take

> at one time is a tablespoon. I always cook mine for at least 6 hours.

> I use coffee filters and lint-less paper towels for filters. There are

> many good anti-oxidant juices that could be mixed. Besides grapeseed

> or pomengranite, mangosteen comes to mind (another anti-cancer agent).

> Chapparral seems to have the most powerful anti-oxidant mixture; I

> would consider it, too.

>

> Dr. Goebel

>

> --- Tony wrote:

>

> > oleander soup , " goebelchx " <goebelchx@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > For my last batch, I skipped the syrup. I tried lemon extract

> > > instead. This is much more palatable. Since lemon oil/juice has

> > > preservative properties, its use is doubly efficacious.

> > >

> > > Dr. Goebel

> > >

> > Sounds like a great idea to me. I might suggest also trying

> > concentrated grape seed extract, as grape seed has wonderful

> > anti-oxidant, immune boosting and anti-cancer properties.

> >

> > Lately, I have been holding the " soup " under my tongue for awhile and

> > then chasing it with a swig of Bragg's apple cider vinegar followed

> > by

> > a chewable vitamin C tablet. After that, I take my handful of daily

> > vitamins and supplements with a glass of filtered spring water.

> >

> > I am thrilled to report that my uncle, who is taking a combination of

> > the patented oleander extract Anvirzel and his own home-made oleander

> > soup (essentially the same thing in my opinion), reports that he is

> > doing so well that his oncologist said he need not come back for

> > another visit for three months!

> >

> > My uncle followed my suggestion of using several coffee filters to

> > filter the oleander soup a final time and reports that he has never

> > experienced even moderate nausea or diaherrhea. The same is true for

> > me and I would like to see some other members try that and give us a

> > report. As a matter of fact, I would love to hear more reports from

> > other group members about how they are doing and how those they know

> > who use oleander are doing.

> >

> > I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to all of the

> > group

> > members for my inactivity in recent months. I have been spending 12

> > plus hour days seven days a week for the past four months helping

> > with

> > another cause I believe in - serving as a resident supervisor and

> > nutritional advisor at a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center for

> > young men. I plan to become much more active in the group as well as

> > return to my research and writing soon.

> >

> > Live long, live healthy, live happy!

> >

> > Tony Isaacs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Yes Tony, I read those and the initial two issues of roselaurel press.

I am currently in an Applied Clinical Nutrition certification series.

I built my first orgone accumulator in 1979 (Wilhelm Reich), and have

read of Gaston Naessen's somatid work, and the work of Royal Rife.

 

Dr. Goebel

 

--- Tony wrote:

 

> Have you perchance read my book " Cancer's Natural Enemy " or

> downloaded

> any of the files I have posted here to this group, such as " A Plan

> for

> Living a Long and Healthy Life " or " The Anti Cancer Protocol " (both

> of

> which are included in the aforementioned book and my upcoming book)?

> We seem to like the same things is one reason I ask - pomegranite is

> my favorite anti-oxidant juice, for example.

>

> There has been some debate in and outside of this forum regarding the

> value of extra filtration. I to the theory that more

> filtration leads to fewer side effects, such as nausea, loose bowels

> and mild headaches. Anvirzel is filtered through less than 4

> microns,

> acording to the original patent of Doctor Ozel, and there are very

> few

> reports of such side effects when it is taken orally. Similarly, I

> am

> finding that the more filtration one uses for oleander soup, the

> fewer

> side effects.

>

>

> oleander soup , Michael Goebel <goebelchx

> wrote:

> >

> > I've never experienced any nausea from oleander soup. The most I

> take

> > at one time is a tablespoon. I always cook mine for at least 6

> hours.

> > I use coffee filters and lint-less paper towels for filters. There

> are

> > many good anti-oxidant juices that could be mixed. Besides

> grapeseed

> > or pomengranite, mangosteen comes to mind (another anti-cancer

> agent).

> > Chapparral seems to have the most powerful anti-oxidant mixture; I

> > would consider it, too.

> >

> > Dr. Goebel

> >

> > --- Tony wrote:

> >

> > > oleander soup , " goebelchx " <goebelchx@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > For my last batch, I skipped the syrup. I tried lemon extract

> > > > instead. This is much more palatable. Since lemon oil/juice

> has

> > > > preservative properties, its use is doubly efficacious.

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Goebel

> > > >

> > > Sounds like a great idea to me. I might suggest also trying

> > > concentrated grape seed extract, as grape seed has wonderful

> > > anti-oxidant, immune boosting and anti-cancer properties.

> > >

> > > Lately, I have been holding the " soup " under my tongue for awhile

> and

> > > then chasing it with a swig of Bragg's apple cider vinegar

> followed

> > > by

> > > a chewable vitamin C tablet. After that, I take my handful of

> daily

> > > vitamins and supplements with a glass of filtered spring water.

> > >

> > > I am thrilled to report that my uncle, who is taking a

> combination of

> > > the patented oleander extract Anvirzel and his own home-made

> oleander

> > > soup (essentially the same thing in my opinion), reports that he

> is

> > > doing so well that his oncologist said he need not come back for

> > > another visit for three months!

> > >

> > > My uncle followed my suggestion of using several coffee filters

> to

> > > filter the oleander soup a final time and reports that he has

> never

> > > experienced even moderate nausea or diaherrhea. The same is true

> for

> > > me and I would like to see some other members try that and give

> us a

> > > report. As a matter of fact, I would love to hear more reports

> from

> > > other group members about how they are doing and how those they

> know

> > > who use oleander are doing.

> > >

> > > I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to all of the

> > > group

> > > members for my inactivity in recent months. I have been spending

> 12

> > > plus hour days seven days a week for the past four months helping

> > > with

> > > another cause I believe in - serving as a resident supervisor and

> > > nutritional advisor at a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center

> for

> > > young men. I plan to become much more active in the group as

> well as

> > > return to my research and writing soon.

> > >

> > > Live long, live healthy, live happy!

> > >

> > > Tony Isaacs

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tony

oleander soup

Friday, August 04, 2006 5:01 PM

Re: Oleander soup: regarding side effects and taste

 

 

Have you perchance read my book "Cancer's Natural Enemy" or downloadedany of the files I have posted here to this group, such as "A Plan forLiving a Long and Healthy Life" or "The Anti Cancer Protocol" (both ofwhich are included in the aforementioned book and my upcoming book)? We seem to like the same things is one reason I ask - pomegranite ismy favorite anti-oxidant juice, for example.There has been some debate in and outside of this forum regarding thevalue of extra filtration. I to the theory that morefiltration leads to fewer side effects, such as nausea, loose bowelsand mild headaches. Anvirzel is filtered through less than 4 microns,acording to the original patent of Doctor Ozel, and there are very fewreports of such side effects when it is taken orally. Similarly, I amfinding that the more filtration one uses for oleander soup, the fewerside effects.oleander soup , Michael Goebel <goebelchx wrote:>> I've never experienced any nausea from oleander soup. The most I take> at one time is a tablespoon. I always cook mine for at least 6 hours. > I use coffee filters and lint-less paper towels for filters. There are> many good anti-oxidant juices that could be mixed. Besides grapeseed> or pomengranite, mangosteen comes to mind (another anti-cancer agent). > Chapparral seems to have the most powerful anti-oxidant mixture; I> would consider it, too.> > Dr. Goebel> > --- Tony wrote:> > > oleander soup , "goebelchx" <goebelchx@>> > wrote:> > >> > > For my last batch, I skipped the syrup. I tried lemon extract> > > instead. This is much more palatable. Since lemon oil/juice has> > > preservative properties, its use is doubly efficacious.> > > > > > Dr. Goebel> > >> > Sounds like a great idea to me. I might suggest also trying> > concentrated grape seed extract, as grape seed has wonderful> > anti-oxidant, immune boosting and anti-cancer properties.> > > > Lately, I have been holding the "soup" under my tongue for awhile and> > then chasing it with a swig of Bragg's apple cider vinegar followed> > by> > a chewable vitamin C tablet. After that, I take my handful of daily> > vitamins and supplements with a glass of filtered spring water.> > > > I am thrilled to report that my uncle, who is taking a combination of> > the patented oleander extract Anvirzel and his own home-made oleander> > soup (essentially the same thing in my opinion), reports that he is> > doing so well that his oncologist said he need not come back for> > another visit for three months!> > > > My uncle followed my suggestion of using several coffee filters to> > filter the oleander soup a final time and reports that he has never> > experienced even moderate nausea or diaherrhea. The same is true for> > me and I would like to see some other members try that and give us a> > report. As a matter of fact, I would love to hear more reports from> > other group members about how they are doing and how those they know> > who use oleander are doing.> > > > I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to all of the> > group> > members for my inactivity in recent months. I have been spending 12> > plus hour days seven days a week for the past four months helping> > with> > another cause I believe in - serving as a resident supervisor and> > nutritional advisor at a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center for> > young men. I plan to become much more active in the group as well as> > return to my research and writing soon.> > > > Live long, live healthy, live happy!> > > > Tony Isaacs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >