Guest guest Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 I have learned more in the last couple of days, than in several years of trying desperately to feel healthy again. It has been a very slow and difficult process.Thanks for all the posts on Iodine and Sodium Chlorite and healthy oils. Thanks for you, I think, , for posting the Moreless page link. I was getting really worried - I would have these wonderful ph readings a couple hours after eating, but the low readings in the morning. I didn't realize that I was dumping toxins, after sleeping. It has been a frightening experience - being " released " from drs, pronounced " cured " and realizing that nothing has changed in my body to rebuild or recover good health, then, starting this journey. In memphis I found one dr. who professes to be " holistic " and sells these bottles of very expensive serums - liver extract, adrendal extract, etc. - problem is everyone gets the same stuff (oh I forgot sodium bicarbonate at $6 a bottle was one of his, too), and the naturopath who perscribe lithium ornate and almost had me in the hospital. We have one woman who comes to Memphis every other week from Nashville, who charges an arm and a leg - nothing on insurance either, but it supposed to be good. Yes, it works to research and study, but there is a lot of conflicting information and for someone with OCD, I can research forever and not act, because I feel overwhelmed. Dr. Goebbels, I have been to the homeopathic web site, but I do not know which schools are legitamite and which or not. (I don't think that anyone in the general public does either, LOL) And, I have researched a lot, much more than the general public. My friends think I should just stop and leave it with what I am doing now. I know that I can feel even better and not have reoccurring cysts. Most people out there exposed to two people such as the ones that treated me would say that anyone who went to one of them was crazy. Yes, TN has no licensing program and it really hurts us. But, to just say that going to the web site and researching the dr. doesn't really help when one doesn't know which schools are for real and which are not. How does one know for sure? Janna > > ahzoov > 2007/06/08 Fri PM 02:03:10 EDT > oleander soup > Re: Re: Finding a Naturopathic Physician > > > In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:26:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > murielblackley2 writes: > > Anyone with a modicum of common sense and the time and inclination to > learn can learn to help themselves safely to some degree at least > with natural remedies, that's the whole point of the pharmaceutical > company backlash. > > > Here here. It's exactly how I saved my life and why I do what I do now. > > David > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Janna, One of my professional friends from San Antonio, the director of a wellness center that has many various practitioners associated, will contact you via email. You may describe your problem more fully. He will listen, and he may be able to help you out. Dr. Goebel Finding fabulous fares is fun.Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Bless your heart Janna, I can feel your heartbreak with the words you write. When you say OCD are you referring to obsessive compulsive disorder? I do hope that the person that Dr. Goebel refers you to helps. In the meantime, if you need anyone to talk to, I am really not that far away from you and would be happy to give you my phone number. Sometimes just "girl talk" helps. I sense a lot of "emotional hurt" in your words. I know how very frustrating it can to search and search and come up with nothing and the odd "quack" who gives you something that brings your close to death. My "quacks" were with mainstream medicine though. If OCD means obsessive compulsive disorder, I went through ten horrid years with panic/anxiety and I was agoraphobic, which of course included ocd. I call it "My Lost Years" and my walk through the bowels of hell. But, I am on the other side now. I did not know of natural alternatives, so went to mainsteam doctors and to psychiatrists that did give me coping methods but after a while going to them was a waste, so I basically did my own exercises, analyzed myself and clawed my way back to recovery. I heard about some type of herb that would make me fine but the person that told me didn't know who to go to. LOL! Okay, looks like I've just poured my heart out. I just want to let you know that if your problem or part of the problem has to do with OCD, I am here for you. Sometimes talking to someone who truly understands works wonders. And I truly hope that the person Dr. Goebel referred you to can help you. What's that saying.... "Seek and ye shall find? it does work. Hugs, May The Best Years in Life (under construction)....... / http://thecorner4women.com "Empowering Women Throughout the World" http://dipetanesoutheast.com "cr8iveart" <cr8iveartoleander soup Sent: Friday, June 8, 2007 2:28:00 PMRe: Re: Re: Finding a Naturopathic Physician I have learned more in the last couple of days, than in several years of trying desperately to feel healthy again. It has been a very slow and difficult process.Thanks for all the posts on Iodine and Sodium Chlorite and healthy oils. Thanks for you, I think, , for posting the Moreless page link. I was getting really worried - I would have these wonderful ph readings a couple hours after eating, but the low readings in the morning. I didn't realize that I was dumping toxins, after sleeping. It has been a frightening experience - being "released" from drs, pronounced "cured" and realizing that nothing has changed in my body to rebuild or recover good health, then, starting this journey. In memphis I found one dr. who professes to be "holistic" and sells these bottles of very expensive serums - liver extract, adrendal extract, etc. - problem is everyone gets the same stuff (oh I forgot sodium bicarbonate at $6 a bottle was one of his, too), and the naturopath who perscribe lithium ornate and almost had me in the hospital. We have one woman who comes to Memphis every other week from Nashville, who charges an arm and a leg - nothing on insurance either, but it supposed to be good. Yes, it works to research and study, but there is a lot of conflicting information and for someone with OCD, I can research forever and not act, because I feel overwhelmed. Dr. Goebbels, I have been to the homeopathic web site, but I do not know which schools are legitamite and which or not. (I don't think that anyone in the general public does either, LOL) And, I have researched a lot, much more than the general public. My friends think I should just stop and leave it with what I am doing now. I know that I can feel even better and not have reoccurring cysts. Most people out there exposed to two people such as the ones that treated me would say that anyone who went to one of them was crazy. Yes, TN has no licensing program and it really hurts us. But, to just say that going to the web site and researching the dr. doesn't really help when one doesn't know which schools are for real and which are not. How does one know for sure? Janna> > ahzoov 2007/06/08 Fri PM 02:03:10 EDT> oleander soup> Re: Re: Finding a Naturopathic Physician> > > In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:26:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > murielblackley2@ .co. uk writes:> > Anyone with a modicum of common sense and the time and inclination to > learn can learn to help themselves safely to some degree at least > with natural remedies, that's the whole point of the pharmaceutical > company backlash.> > > Here here. It's exactly how I saved my life and why I do what I do now.> > David> > > > ************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at http://www.aol. com.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Yes, , it is obsessive compulsive disorder, coupled with depression. The depression part I have sufferred with for years. Didn't realize it when I was in high school, just thought that my family was crazy ;-) and I had to get out. It has gotten worse since being my mother's caregiver when she was dying of pancreatic cancer at 80 (after surviving a tumor on her thyroid gland in her 40's and colon cancer in her 60's). I was diagnosed one month after her death. I have done therapy and drugs. I know that I can change this and I will. I have three daughters in their 20's and two grandchildren; I want to be around to see them grow up. Thanks for your sweet offer - we are really close, too, I'm in Memphis. Email me at cr8iveart. We can talk off group, Thanks, Janna > > May <luellamay129 > 2007/06/08 Fri PM 10:45:50 EDT > oleander soup > Re: Re: Re: Finding a Naturopathic Physician > > Bless your heart Janna, I can feel your heartbreak with the words you write. When you say OCD are you referring to obsessive compulsive disorder? I do hope that the person that Dr. Goebel refers you to helps. In the meantime, if you need anyone to talk to, I am really not that far away from you and would be happy to give you my phone number. Sometimes just " girl talk " helps. I sense a lot of " emotional hurt " in your words. I know how very frustrating it can to search and search and come up with nothing and the odd " quack " who gives you something that brings your close to death. My " quacks " were with mainstream medicine though. If OCD means obsessive compulsive disorder, I went through ten horrid years with panic/anxiety and I was agoraphobic, which of course included ocd. I call it " My Lost Years " and my walk through the bowels of hell. But, I am on the other side now. I did not know of natural alternatives, so went to mainsteam doctors and to psychiatrists that > did give me coping methods but after a while going to them was a waste, so I basically did my own exercises, analyzed myself and clawed my way back to recovery. I heard about some type of herb that would make me fine but the person that told me didn't know who to go to. LOL! Okay, looks like I've just poured my heart out. I just want to let you know that if your problem or part of the problem has to do with OCD, I am here for you. Sometimes talking to someone who truly understands works wonders. And I truly hope that the person Dr. Goebel referred you to can help you. What's that saying.... " Seek and ye shall find? it does work. > > Hugs, > > > May > > The Best Years in Life (under construction)....... > / > http://thecorner4women.com > " Empowering Women Throughout the World " > http://dipetanesoutheast.com > > > > > > " cr8iveart " <cr8iveart > oleander soup > Friday, June 8, 2007 2:28:00 PM > Re: Re: Re: Finding a Naturopathic Physician > > I have learned more in the last couple of days, than in several years of trying desperately to feel > healthy again. It has been a very slow and difficult process.Thanks for all the posts on Iodine and > Sodium Chlorite and healthy oils. Thanks for you, I think, , for posting the Moreless page link. I > was getting really worried - I would have these wonderful ph readings a couple hours after eating, but > the low readings in the morning. I didn't realize that I was dumping toxins, after sleeping. It has been a > frightening experience - being " released " from drs, pronounced " cured " and realizing that nothing has > changed in my body to rebuild or recover good health, then, starting this journey. In memphis I found > one dr. who professes to be " holistic " and sells these bottles of very expensive serums - liver extract, > adrendal extract, etc. - problem is everyone gets the same stuff (oh I forgot sodium bicarbonate at $6 > a bottle was one of his, too), and the naturopath who perscribe lithium ornate and almost had me in > the hospital. We have one woman who comes to Memphis every other week from Nashville, who > charges an arm and a leg - nothing on insurance either, but it supposed to be good. Yes, it works to > research and study, but there is a lot of conflicting information and for someone with OCD, I can > research forever and not act, because I feel overwhelmed. Dr. Goebbels, I have been to the > homeopathic web site, but I do not know which schools are legitamite and which or not. (I don't think > that anyone in the general public does either, LOL) And, I have researched a lot, much more than the > general public. My friends think I should just stop and leave it with what I am doing now. I know that I > can feel even better and not have reoccurring cysts. Most people out there exposed to two people > such as the ones that treated me would say that anyone who went to one of them was crazy. Yes, TN > has no licensing program and it really hurts us. But, to just say that going to the web site and > researching the dr. doesn't really help when one doesn't know which schools are for real and which > are not. How does one know for sure? Janna > > > > ahzoov > > 2007/06/08 Fri PM 02:03:10 EDT > > oleander soup > > Re: Re: Finding a Naturopathic Physician > > > > > > In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:26:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > murielblackley2@ .co. uk writes: > > > > Anyone with a modicum of common sense and the time and inclination to > > learn can learn to help themselves safely to some degree at least > > with natural remedies, that's the whole point of the pharmaceutical > > company backlash. > > > > > > Here here. It's exactly how I saved my life and why I do what I do now. > > > > David > > > > > > > > ************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at http://www.aol. com. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 I will email you girlfriend. OCD and depression go hand-in-hand. Of course, I suffered from severe depression and I know what it can do. I know how it can even change preceived reality. One thing though, you have been through an awful lot, not only with your mom, but something tells me that your life has been difficult, even in high school. Those formative years. Aaaaaaargh! Don't beat yourself up for being depressed. A lot of that depression is from repressed emotions. Sometimes during difficult or traumatic times we tend to push aside those very sad emotions, because they feel too bad to deal with or because we need to be strong or whatever the reason and they end up bottled up in a place within us and we don't know what to do with them. Therefore, viola! depression. Depression can also be from a chemical imbalance or prolonged traumatic events can cause the chemical imbalances. So, with all you have gone through, know that of course you would have been sad, depressed, you have gone through an ordeal. What would not be normal would be to stay happy and altogether during those experiences. We are human and we have emotions and they are normal. That's why I tell anybody, no matter what the problem, physical, whatever, never discount your emotions. They are telling you something. It is when we shove them aside and not pay attention to them where we run into trouble. We have a lot in common. I was my mother's sole caregiver for four years. She had emphasyma and fibroid tumors in her lungs and I watched her slowly wither away. Caring for the elderly, especially your mother takes a lot out of you emotionally and physically. Caregiving for a relative, especially your mother, has many, many entwined aspects that I am sure you are familiar with. You know..... I see light at the end of the tunnel. May The Best Years in Life (under construction)....... / http://thecorner4women.com "Empowering Women Throughout the World" http://dipetanesoutheast.com "cr8iveart" <cr8iveartoleander soup Sent: Friday, June 8, 2007 10:00:03 PMRe: Re: Re: Finding a Naturopathic Physician Yes, , it is obsessive compulsive disorder, coupled with depression. The depression part I have sufferred with for years. Didn't realize it when I was in high school, just thought that my family was crazy ;-) and I had to get out. It has gotten worse since being my mother's caregiver when she was dying of pancreatic cancer at 80 (after surviving a tumor on her thyroid gland in her 40's and colon cancer in her 60's). I was diagnosed one month after her death. I have done therapy and drugs. I know that I can change this and I will. I have three daughters in their 20's and two grandchildren; I want to be around to see them grow up. Thanks for your sweet offer - we are really close, too, I'm in Memphis. Email me at cr8iveart@bellsouth .net. We can talk off group, Thanks, Janna> > May <luellamay129@ >> 2007/06/08 Fri PM 10:45:50 EDT> oleander soup> Re: Re: Re: Finding a Naturopathic Physician> > Bless your heart Janna, I can feel your heartbreak with the words you write. When you say OCD are you referring to obsessive compulsive disorder? I do hope that the person that Dr. Goebel refers you to helps. In the meantime, if you need anyone to talk to, I am really not that far away from you and would be happy to give you my phone number. Sometimes just "girl talk" helps. I sense a lot of "emotional hurt" in your words. I know how very frustrating it can to search and search and come up with nothing and the odd "quack" who gives you something that brings your close to death. My "quacks" were with mainstream medicine though. If OCD means obsessive compulsive disorder, I went through ten horrid years with panic/anxiety and I was agoraphobic, which of course included ocd. I call it "My Lost Years" and my walk through the bowels of hell. But, I am on the other side now. I did not know of natural alternatives, so went to mainsteam doctors and to psychiatrists that> did give me coping methods but after a while going to them was a waste, so I basically did my own exercises, analyzed myself and clawed my way back to recovery. I heard about some type of herb that would make me fine but the person that told me didn't know who to go to. LOL! Okay, looks like I've just poured my heart out. I just want to let you know that if your problem or part of the problem has to do with OCD, I am here for you. Sometimes talking to someone who truly understands works wonders. And I truly hope that the person Dr. Goebel referred you to can help you. What's that saying.... "Seek and ye shall find? it does work.> > Hugs,> > > May> > The Best Years in Life (under construction) .......> http://www.tbyil. com/> http://thecorner4wo men.com> "Empowering Women Throughout the World"> http://dipetanesout heast.com> > > > > > "cr8iveart@bellsouth .net" <cr8iveart@bellsouth .net>> oleander soup> Friday, June 8, 2007 2:28:00 PM> Re: Re: Re: Finding a Naturopathic Physician> > I have learned more in the last couple of days, than in several years of trying desperately to feel > healthy again. It has been a very slow and difficult process.Thanks for all the posts on Iodine and > Sodium Chlorite and healthy oils. Thanks for you, I think, , for posting the Moreless page link. I > was getting really worried - I would have these wonderful ph readings a couple hours after eating, but > the low readings in the morning. I didn't realize that I was dumping toxins, after sleeping. It has been a > frightening experience - being "released" from drs, pronounced "cured" and realizing that nothing has > changed in my body to rebuild or recover good health, then, starting this journey. In memphis I found > one dr. who professes to be "holistic" and sells these bottles of very expensive serums - liver extract, > adrendal extract, etc. - problem is everyone gets the same stuff (oh I forgot sodium bicarbonate at $6 > a bottle was one of his, too), and the naturopath who perscribe lithium ornate and almost had me in > the hospital. We have one woman who comes to Memphis every other week from Nashville, who > charges an arm and a leg - nothing on insurance either, but it supposed to be good. Yes, it works to > research and study, but there is a lot of conflicting information and for someone with OCD, I can > research forever and not act, because I feel overwhelmed. Dr. Goebbels, I have been to the > homeopathic web site, but I do not know which schools are legitamite and which or not. (I don't think > that anyone in the general public does either, LOL) And, I have researched a lot, much more than the > general public. My friends think I should just stop and leave it with what I am doing now. I know that I > can feel even better and not have reoccurring cysts. Most people out there exposed to two people > such as the ones that treated me would say that anyone who went to one of them was crazy. Yes, TN > has no licensing program and it really hurts us. But, to just say that going to the web site and > researching the dr. doesn't really help when one doesn't know which schools are for real and which > are not. How does one know for sure? Janna> > > > ahzoov > 2007/06/08 Fri PM 02:03:10 EDT> > oleander soup> > Re: Re: Finding a Naturopathic Physician> > > > > > In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:26:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > murielblackley2@ .co. uk writes:> > > > Anyone with a modicum of common sense and the time and inclination to > > learn can learn to help themselves safely to some degree at least > > with natural remedies, that's the whole point of the pharmaceutical > > company backlash.> > > > > > Here here. It's exactly how I saved my life and why I do what I do now.> > > > David> > > > > > > > ************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at http://www.aol. com.> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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