Finding a Naturopathic Physician - Tony

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Hi Tony,

I appreciate your comments. Below are my responses to points that I felt

needed clarification.

> I'm not speaking of rumors

or conspiracy theories. The organizations

> representing diploma mill " naturopaths " , " doctors of

nutrition " ,

> PhD's etc. in fact lobby against the licensing of formally trained

 

> Naturopathic doctors.

Please provide me with evidence of this! I just cannot see the

combined forces of every diploma mill in the known universe even

approaching the power and lobbying influence of a single major

pharmaceutical company, let alone the entire trillion dollar plus

goliath!

I never suggested or implied that the organizations representing these

diploma mills have more lobbying influence than pharmaceutic companies. I

said that the fake ND's et al. have largely put forth the money and

effort to stop state licensing of formally trained Naturopathic

physicians.

It's a very specific issue that mostly the people involved in working on

state licensure or those working against it are aware of. The following

is an article on the recent licensing in California. I think the article

confirms many of my contentions - i.e. that the major opposition comes

from mail order ND's. While MD's not thrilled they don't mount much of an

effort against us.

 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/07/05/MN214713.DTL

 

 

About the only thing I see that

has changed since the 70's is where

the AMA has given in when the overwhelming weight of evidence, such

as

taking daily multivitamins, has made them look ridiculous to

continue

their opposition, or else where industry and mainstream medicine

have

gained a foothold in an area that was previously a threat to their

profits.

Not sure if you were around during the 70s. More importantly if you were

involved in the alternative health movement at the time. I was kid, but

because of my parent's influence, quite aware of alternative medicine and

the attacks against it.

Things are dramatically different today. They were sending doctors to

jail and suspending licences for using vitamins! Today there are dozens

of integrative medicine departments in hospitals around the country.

There are 14 states that recognize and license formally trained

Naturopathic as primary care physicians. The climate is drastically

different today.

Are things perfect? Of course not. Are there still Quack busters and

opponents of alternative medicine, sure. But it's been a long time now

since Jonathan Wright, MD had his clinic surrounded by machine gun

toting, flack jacketed, ATF officers pointing guns in patient's faces.

That kind of stuff isn't happening anymore.

The government tried to imprison Drs. Burzynski and Gonzales for their

alternative treatment against cancer. Not only are they permitted to

practice freely today. The Government is funding studies of their

treatments! Things are way different today.

 

And therein lies part of the

rub. Natural healing has it's share of

quacks, but it also has a pretty impressive honor role of

" unqualified " people who have made real contributions to

healing and

have saved many, many lives. Where do people like that fit into the

paradigm of licensing?

There's no rub. Lay " healers " are just that. If different kinds

of " healers " or " health counselors " want state

licensing or government or private accreditation of some kind, I wish

them all the best. Trying to pawn themselves off as doctors is an issue

of fraud.

Generally speaking it takes eight years of higher education to earn a

PhD. It's not so much the years, as the work required. It's really quite

an achievement regardless of what field one holds their doctorate. I

think we would all agree that it's not OK to simply purchase a doctorate

over the Internet. What kind of person does this and tries to pass

themselves off as such in the market place? If it were a diploma mill PhD

in chemistry, anthropology, psychology or almost any field, I think the

typical answer would be, " This kind of person is a fraud, a crook, a

flim flam artist. " Yet, if it's someone pretending be a Naturopathic

doctor, SOME people seem to think that's OK because they believe natural

therapies.

 

> It's happening in 14

states, the District of Colombia, Puerto Rico

> and the Virgin Islands. If it weren't for the fake ND's we would be

 

> licensed in all the states. I'm happy to blame the AMA and FDA when

 

> they are responsible. This is coming from very greedy selfish people

 

> who happen to strongly believe in alternative medicine, but would

 

> like to fancy themselves doctors without achieving this

distinction.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree if you say that it is

solely

a powerful organization of fake ND's that prevents the double-edged

sword of licensing in all 50 states, at least until I am shown some

compelling evidence to the contrary. And I am not saying I could not

be wrong - just that I would be shocked to be that ignorant of such

an

organized and powerful effort.

Solely would be an over statement. Largely would be more accurate. The

fake ND's and MD's have some times joined forces. It wasn't like the MD's

were welcoming the recent licensure of Naturopathic physicians in

California. But the big fight comes from the fake ND's. See

above.

 

It appears to me that some

individuals and institutions in the filed

of naturopathy want to distance themselves from others with the

issue

of accreditation of Naturopathic Doctors and the elevation of ND's

among the public, academia and the law to being the professional

equals of their mainstream counterparts.

It usually takes at least 11 years to become a doctor: 4 years of

college, 4 years of medical school, and 3 years working in a

hospital.

Would it not follow that it should take approximately the same

period

of time to become a qualified Naturopathic Physician if they are to

be

considered equals?

I understand that " accredited " naturopathic colleges require no

more

than 4 years to earn their " doctors " degrees. Does that not

open them

up to the same criticism, at least to a degree, that some give to

naturopaths who obtained their credentials via correspondence school

study?

As I explained before, licensed Naturopathic doctors must meet the same

pre-medical education requirements as conventionally trained MD's. That's

4 years of undergraduate work which includes specific course work such as

1 year of organic and inorganic chemistry, biology, physics, statistics

etc. Then there are 4 years of full time medical school. Not a weekend

course every month for 4 years. That's 8 years.

The difference is regarding residencies. Formal residency opportunities

are limited. There are not enough for every graduate. Perhaps 5 or 10%.

The profession is simply not big enough. We don't have hundreds of huge

hospitals, i.e. we don't have big bucks. Still, the majority of doctors

do not hang up a shingle and begin practice on their own. Most, like

myself start of working with senior doctors. I don't know that

residencies are actually required for any type of doctor.

Regardless, we are talking about fully trained physicians who have

graduated from a post graduate 4 year medical school and passed state

medical board exams. There is absolutely no comparison with an untrained

mail order " ND " .

In closing, I would just like to

say that there are a great many of us

who are advocates of natural healing and, at a time when we are

under

attack, we would best be advised to seek unity. No doubt, we, need

to

be able to find a way to weed out the quacks and charlatans but we

should do it without creating a caste system where those who are

genuinely interested in helping and healing do not have part of the

group, such as accredited naturopathic doctors, looking down their

noses and pointing fingers at another par, say non accredited

naturopaths, who in turn look down their noses at still another

part,

say " somewhat knowledgeable " self taught people like

myself.

In that scenario, all the noses are pointed down at

me!

" Looking down their noses " is something subjective that perhaps

some people attribute to others. Looking down your nose at an honest well

meaning lay practitioner involved in some kind of natural healing is very

different from looking down your nose at a dishonest but well meaning

fraud.

This is not a caste system. It's a matter of standards. It's a matter of

achievement. Formally trained Naturopathic physicians have resurrected a

system of medicine that once flourished and was brought to the brink of

extinction by the AMA and government racketeering. Our modern

Naturopathic medicals school are an incredible achievement and I feel

beyond proud of my profession and our contribution to the advancement

natural medicine in this country.

If you want to seek health advice from an old woman in the woods that

heals with roots and berries, I have no problem with that at all. I'd pay

her a visit myself if I needed. If you want to seek health advice from an

authentic physician formally trained in the natural healing arts, I think

that's wonderful too. Isn't it absolutely fantastic that these kind of

doctors are available and acknowledged by 14 states in this country?

Things have change a lot since the 70's.

Vis Medicatrix Naturae!

Michael Uzick, ND

 

 

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In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:30:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, druzick writes:

"Looking down their noses" is something subjective that perhaps some people attribute to others. Looking down your nose at an honest well meaning lay practitioner involved in some kind of natural healing is very different from looking down your nose at a dishonest but well meaning fraud.This is not a caste system. It's a matter of standards. It's a matter of achievement. Formally trained Naturopathic physicians have resurrected a system of medicine that once flourished and was brought to the brink of extinction by the AMA and government racketeering. Our modern Naturopathic medicals school are an incredible achievement and I feel beyond proud of my profession and our contribution to the advancement natural medicine in this country. If you want to seek health advice from an old woman in the woods that heals with roots and berries, I have no problem with that at all. I'd pay her a visit myself if I needed. If you want to seek health advice from an authentic physician formally trained in the natural healing arts, I think that's wonderful too. Isn't it absolutely fantastic that these kind of doctors are available and acknowledged by 14 states in this country? Things have change a lot since the 70's.Vis Medicatrix Naturae!Michael Uzick, ND

 

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I

would like to give some other thoughts to Dr. U’s comments. There are

almost always two sides to every story and I hope to be effective in giving out

the other side. If I come across as

being very passionate—I am. I

am a seven year stage III colon cancer survivor using natural medicine (other

than surgery to get the tumor out and 1 month of “preventative

chemo”—whatever that means—they wanted me to do 6 months but

I knew I wouldn’t make it if I followed their recommendations.). Just as many of you are, I am passionate

about true natural medicine because I saw, first hand, what the allopathic

community had to offer when it comes to degenerative disease and truthfully,

their track-record stinks. The path

God has me on has been nothing short of amazing. I am now a non-licensed naturopath (Texas does not require

licensing) whose desire is to help people to get healthy and stay healthy using

natural means. I did my internship

under one of the best alternative-medicine (self-taught and not afraid to

think-out-of-the-box) oncologists in America…he is also a

chiropractor and un-licensed ND.

Believe me when I say a lot of eyebrows were raised when friends/family

found out who my “treating doctor” was. <smile> Had I stayed the path of conventional

medicine with my oncologist who had ties to MD Anderson, I would probably not

be here today. I have been taught

“how” to research and “how” to recognize modalities

that can work---even when others may say “no way”. What we must realize is that everyone is

different and there are no magic bullets in natural medicine OR conventional

medicine. However, the body has

great healing capabilities when supported correctly and that is what I want to

teach people. I want people to know

that they can get well and be healthy without the use of drugs, surgery and

radiation. We are fortunate to have

blood and lab testing; however, no one should allow a piece of paper to be the

end-all in their life. Labs are not

consistent and are often wrong. The

body does not get sick from a lack of synthetic chemicals. Yes, our trauma care medicine is the

best in the world and I am thankful for it. Once in a blue moon there is a need

for pharmaceuticals—but this is usually very short-lived. So, again, yes I am passionate because I

know what it is like to be sick and to come fact-to-face with death at the age

of 45. Not many health care professionals really know what it is like to be

very sick. But even better, I KNOW

what it is like to regain your health.

We must teach truthful preventative natural medicine and we must

educate. Education empowers people

and fear controls people. I, like

Dr. Lorraine Day, can say that cancer doesn’t scare me any more. There

have always been cures for every degenerative disease, but our allopathic

community would have us believe otherwise---no cures, just managing care. Why would naturopaths even

“want” to be associated with this type of philosophy? I want to help take the

“fear” out of words like cancer and to help people realize that

there is ALWAYS hope and ALWAYS an answer.

Does everyone get well who uses natural medicine? No. Just

as most don’t get well using conventional medicine. The difference?

Natural medicine does not harm the body; but builds it up. Conventional medicine harms the body and

only treats symptoms.

 

This

is one reason I joined this group, to learn more about Oleander and it

viability as an alternative treatment for disease. It is part of my research and part of

what I love to do.

 

Dr.

U—I do not say anything to purposefully cause offense, but only to offer

another side of the story. You have

been passionate and so will I. I

realize that you will not agree and that’s ok. I respect your right to your opinions,

but disagree completely, just as you will most likely disagree with me. I am

not saying in any shape or form that you are not authentic or not effective at

what you do and this is not an attack on you or your philosophy. It is beneficial for the list to get

another perspective and then people can do their own research and come to their

own conclusion as to what is best for their situation.

 

Dr. U’s

comments in black and mine in purple.

 

 

I never suggested or implied that the organizations representing these diploma

mills have more lobbying influence than pharmaceutic companies. I said that the

fake ND's et al. have largely put forth the money and

effort to stop state licensing of formally trained Naturopathic physicians.

 

It is a known fact

that Bastyr has tried very hard to become the ONLY college

to seemingly graduate “accepted” naturopaths---whatever that

means. They have lobbied to get

everything on “their terms” so they can set the rules and they have

been un-tiring in this effort. This

is nothing more than conventional medicine tactics. Natural medicine needs to be left alone

and Bastyr has no idea what true/traditional naturopathy really consists of Just how many unlicensed natural medicine

docs have hurt people to the extinct that allopathic and even some integrative

docs have?? How about drugs vs

supplementation?

 

Conventional medicine

wants us to believe that when it comes to our own health, we are nothing but

dumb sheep incapable of helping ourselves.

They want to be “god” in this area of our lives, continually

experimenting on us, hoping at some point to actually get it right. Conventional oncology is a prime example

of this experimentation. Once they

decide that your time is limited, they offer clinical trials to you so that

they can continue to experiment on you.

They know that when someone realizes they are dying, the person will do

absolutely anything.

 

By the way, it has

been the “fake ND’s” that through the years have truly helped

people to get well. Bastyr

hasn’t been on the scene that long (28 years) and how convenient to want

to be the only school acceptable and have all the students come their way. There have now been others that are

“accredited” but Bastyr still wants people to think they are

turning out the best. Make no

mistake about it---this is very political.

 

It's a very specific issue that mostly the people involved in working on state

licensure or those working against it are aware of. The following is an article

on the recent licensing in California.

I think the article confirms many of my contentions - i.e. that the major

opposition comes from mail order ND's. While MD's not thrilled they don't mount

much of an effort against us.

 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/07/05/MN214713.DTL

 

 

Below is what the

article you site says. I guess

because some of the naturopaths are not licensed you are calling them

quacks? Just because someone can

pass a test and get a license does NOT mean they will be good at what they do. There are a lot of lousy MD’s that

are licensed and are not good docs or even good professionals.

Although it appears headed for fast approval

and the governor's signature, the bill's primary opposition comes from within

the naturopathic community itself, because most practitioners don't meet the

proposed license requirements, which include graduating from one of a handful

of accredited four-year naturopathic colleges. It's not known how many

naturopathic practitioners are working in California, but one trade group says they

number in the thousands.

Opponents of the bill say it is on the fast

track because of generous donations to Democratic causes by Stephen Bing, a

wealthy Hollywood figure and supporter of

alternative medical approaches. He has given $1 million to Bastyr University

in Seattle, one of just five schools worldwide whose graduates would be

eligible for licensure under the proposed bill.

Although many CMA members quibble with

naturopathic practice, Docherty said the group had sent several members to

visit Bastyr University, and they came back impressed

with its program.

Of course the California Medical Association would be impressed

with an institution that is basically like allopathic medicine. Not much difference, so they

approve. That is not an endorsement

that natural medicine should be proud of.

 

Possibly a better

article to read is found at: http://naturalhealthline.com/newsletter/15oct03/licensing.htm (Be sure to read the whole article)

 

You said that all of

the opposing ND’s were rich.

Looks like Bastyr was out soliciting for some pretty high bucks

also—even in Hollywood—and

were very successful. I had to grin

about your comment about the rich ND’s as this is just so not true for

most. Possibly they may “seem” to be rich because they use their

money wisely. You also commented about Dr. Andrew Weil. While he may have helped blaze some

trails for natural medicine through the media, he is very far from being

“natural”. Talking

about herbs and a seemingly healthy diet, does not make you knowledgeable in

natural medicine. He is very

allopathically minded. What I do

commend him for is that he realizes the importance of mind, body and soul.

 

Not sure if you were around during the 70s. More importantly if you

were involved in the alternative health movement at the time. I was kid, but because

of my parent's influence, quite aware of alternative medicine and the attacks

against it. Things are

dramatically different today. They were sending doctors to jail and suspending

licences for using vitamins! Today there are dozens of integrative medicine

departments in hospitals around the country. There are 14 states that recognize

and license formally trained Naturopathic as primary care physicians. The

climate is drastically different today.

 

Integrative does not

equal “true” natural medicine. If the state is willing to license a

“trained” Naturopath then it most likely means they look at them as

being trained allopathically and absolutely no threat to allopathic

medicine. Don’t think for one

minute that the state or federal government is going to say yes to true natural

healthcare. It goes against the

powerful lobby of Big Pharma, Big Med and Big Insurance which are just not

going to allow it to happen without a HUGE fight.

 

Are things perfect? Of course not. Are there still Quack busters and opponents

of alternative medicine, sure. But it's been a long time now since Jonathan

Wright, MD had his clinic surrounded by machine gun toting, flack jacketed, ATF

officers pointing guns in patient's faces. That kind of stuff isn't happening

anymore.

 

There are just as many

“quacks” in allopathic medicine, if not more, except they get to

hide behind the AMA and their degree certificate. But just let one of them try to perform

modalities that are considered advanced natural medicine or “out of the

box” (treatments that would never harm the patient) and the AMA will be

down on them in a New York minute.

Most MD’s will not even research about health modalities that

might would save their patients lives or even get them well. They get all their continuing education

from the drug reps and assume that anything else is quackery. Now we have naturopaths that are

following in their footsteps.

 

Dr. U this “kind

of stuff” IS still happening today. You are way out of touch with the

happenings in natural medicine if you think otherwise. It’s just happening with the

smaller guys now---the ones they can come in and put out of business, trash all

their files and computers and ruin their reputation. The ones that

don’t have the money to fight the FDA lawyers. The FDA is coming

down on good supplement companies (I’m not talking about those that have

pharmaceutical ties.) left and right and it all has to do with the impending

threat of CODEX. They allow Big

Pharma to advertise their wares on TV but yet shut companies down that even

suggest that a vitamin might help with certain disease. They are doing this so that the

pharmaceutical companies can eventually control all vitamins and

supplements. We all need to wake up

and realize that it is a real possibility that one day, soon, we may have to

have a prescription to get Vitamin C and then it will not even be near

therapeutic dosages. And

don’t think you will get enough from your food, because if they continue,

our food will be so adulterated that there will be absolutely no nutritional

content at all—it’s almost there now. Conventional medicine is just too big of

a business to support true natural healing. The way they get around it—easy—just

call them “quacks without proper education.” Which is kind-of what you have done, Dr.

U.

 

The government tried to imprison Drs. Burzynski and Gonzales for their

alternative treatment against cancer. Not only are they permitted to practice

freely today. The Government is funding studies of their treatments! Things are

way different today.

 

Do you know the

particulars of “why” Dr. Burzynski is now being allowed to

practice? Do you understand that

the only way they allowed these trials was that he had to agree to use Chemo

and radiation? They have been no

friend to Burzynski but he is trying to play their game in order for his

protocol to be given a chance. Cancer

patients, looking for natural help, that have been to

his clinic says that it is allopathic to the hilt. By the way, the initial

visit with him for 30-45 minutes is around $850. That’s what it was in 2001 so it’s

probably more now. He is playing a

game that will most likely end up biting him. The FDA will not allow children who have

brain cancer to use his protocol UNTIL they have perused ALL conventional

means. In other words, the children

must be chemo’d and radiated to an inch of their life and THEN they may

try Burzynski’s treatment. So

you REALLY think he is permitted to practice freely? He is totally being set up for failure

so it can be said “see, Burzynski’s treatment doesn’t work

after all.”

 

There's no rub. Lay " healers " are just that. If different kinds of

" healers " or " health counselors " want state licensing or

government or private accreditation of some kind, I wish them all the best.

Trying to pawn themselves off as doctors is an issue of fraud.

 

What does doctor

really mean? It should mean

“teacher”. In fact at dictionary.net the first definition is: 1. A teacher; one skilled in a profession, or

branch of knowledge learned man. Why are you so

protective of this “title”? It has been the last couple of

generations that have made doctors equal to God. So many docs that have all these letters

behind their names (letters that they PAY to get and do not require even one

more hour of education!) and they are no more teachers than anything. They want you to believe everything they

say, not ask too many questions and be impressed with all they know. They say things like “well,

according to scientific evidence” or “I don’t see any

clinical trials to indicate any effectiveness.” This allopathic “science” is

one of many reasons as to why we have so many sick people today. There is a huge fraud rate with clinical

trials. And just because a doc

(natural or allopathic) hasn’t actually seen something work,

doesn’t mean that it will or it will not. Everyone is different.

 

Generally speaking it takes eight years of higher education to earn a PhD. It's

not so much the years, as the work required. It's really quite an achievement

regardless of what field one holds their doctorate. I think we would all agree

that it's not OK to simply purchase a doctorate over the Internet. What kind of

person does this and tries to pass themselves off as such in the market place?

If it were a diploma mill PhD in chemistry, anthropology, psychology or almost

any field, I think the typical answer would be, " This kind of person is a

fraud, a crook, a flim flam artist. " Yet, if it's someone pretending be a

Naturopathic doctor, SOME people seem to think that's OK because they believe

natural therapies.

 

Again, your opinion

(first sentence). Traditional naturopathy, of which you

are not, has been around for a long, long time and was never required to come

under some institution’s governing laws. There is no reason to come under law

when what you do is harmless to the body. These institutions have tried to

change the definition of naturopathy to include conventional medicine and have

come up with the term “integrated medicine” in order to make

patients “feel” like they are getting the best of both worlds. Most naturopaths trained today, in the

colleges like Bastyr are drenched in allopathic medicine and philosophy. When people come to naturopaths it is

usually because they are sick and tired of the allopathic philosophy of

“take this med and come back in a month. Oh, that med caused

constipation? Well,

I’ll give you a script for something to take care of that

constipation.” Before you

know it, the patient is on ten different meds, all to alleviate symptoms that

one of the other drugs caused.

Sure, people who go through the diploma mill for any profession

are certainly questionable and frauds. But you even mentioned Clayton College

in one of your posts as a diploma mill.

My goodness, Bastyr has really done a number on you. There are some great and VERY

knowledgeable naturopaths that have come out of Clayton College

and it does take time, commitment and money to finish their program and they do

require internships. You are trying to make naturopathy fit into the allopathic

box. In my opinion, this is sad and

just one more way that the allopathic community and drug cartel is trying to smudge

the line between healing medicine and medicine that keeps people sick.

 

What would you think

of homeschooling, Dr. U? I suppose

that if a child is not trained in conventional schools then they are somehow

lacking? Most colleges and universities

now seek out home schoolers? The reason?

Because they are usually more mature, have learned more, more

well-rounded and are actually ready for higher learning…they are usually

serious about their studies. They

have received their education in a manner that is “out of the box”

and not “conventional.” But they are some of the brightest

students out there. Their parents

went against the “flow” and produced young adults who can stand as tall or taller than their public school peers. Now, certainly not all home schoolers

fall in this category, but very many do.

What I am saying is that they got their education, and a good one,

without doing it the way everyone else does. AND, they accomplished the same end. There is nothing sacred about sitting in

a classroom for 8 hours/day---undergraduate, graduate or doctorial.

 

There are many

“ways” to obtain an education. There are a lot of people that do

their research and heal themselves—and do an awesome job! They do not have the

“formal” education that you are trying to sell as “the only

way” but yet are mush more knowledgeable than so many licensed and

non-licensed naturopaths. Licensing

or going to school for 8 years does NOT insure a good

“anything.” It just

means you endured, met the qualifications and can take a test well. Where the rubber meets the road is when

you begin helping people with their health concerns.

 

We are in the

Information Age and if you are willing to do your research you can become as

knowledgeable as any one about any thing.

I know lay people who know more about pharmaceuticals than many docs

 

Solely would be an over statement. Largely would be more accurate. The fake

ND's and MD's have some times joined forces. It wasn't like the MD's were

welcoming the recent licensure of Naturopathic physicians in California. But the big fight comes from the

fake ND's. See above.

 

Again, there is

totally another side to this. I would

guess that your definition of fake ND’s is any naturopath that didn’t

graduate from Bastyr or the other 4-5 “accredited” colleges. Not a good or even fair definition but

certainly one that Bastyr and the AMA would like for people to believe.

 

As I explained before, licensed Naturopathic doctors must meet the same

pre-medical education requirements as conventionally trained MD's. That's 4

years of undergraduate work which includes specific course work such as 1 year

of organic and inorganic chemistry, biology, physics, statistics etc. Then

there are 4 years of full time medical school. Not a weekend course every month

for 4 years. That's 8 years.

 

By meeting these same

pre-medical educational requirements it is supposed to make one

“impressive” to people?

For those who have been harmed by conventional medicine, I think they

might NOT be impressed with all this “education.” When someone begins spouting off their

educational achievements, I tend to run the other way. If a person has to

continually remind people of their achievements, then something might be wrong.

 

I, just as you

probably do, look for results. It

matters not to be about educational qualifications, unless I am having surgery.

;o) I amazes me that people will

blindly go to any doctor and willingly accept what he tells them, but when they

go to a natural healthcare provider they questions are endless. I’m not saying don’t ask

questions—everyone should.

However, I am saying “why” do we blindly believe anything an

MD says to us? And they later,

because we didn’t do our homework, we wonder why we aren’t getting

better!

 

Regardless, we are talking about fully trained physicians who have graduated

from a post graduate 4 year medical school and passed state medical board

exams. There is absolutely no comparison with an untrained mail order

" ND " .

 

I, respectfully,

disagree. It’s so easy to

regurgitate from books and for tests—anyone can do this. But it is getting out there and

practicing—that is where the education takes place, Dr. U. If you lean solely on book knowledge and

allopathic thinking then patients will likely suffer. And to add one more

thing—many of the “untrained” naturopaths have actually done

internships under some of the most gifted minds in natural medicine.

 

" Looking down their noses " is something subjective that perhaps some

people attribute to others. Looking down your nose at an honest well meaning

lay practitioner involved in some kind of natural healing is very different

from looking down your nose at a dishonest but well meaning fraud. This is not a caste system.

It's a matter of standards. It's a matter of achievement. Formally trained

Naturopathic physicians have resurrected a system of medicine that once

flourished and was brought to the brink of extinction by the AMA and government

racketeering. Our modern Naturopathic medicals school are

an incredible achievement and I feel beyond proud of my profession and our

contribution to the advancement natural medicine in this country.

 

Who has set the

standard for an age-old profession—a profession that offered people HOPE

when the local doc said “no hope”. A new college named Bastyr? The modern

naturopathic medical schools are NOT an incredible achievement and again are

nothing more than allopathic training grounds under the guise of natural

medicine. If that is where a person

wants to get training then that certainly is their choice. However, when you make it sound like the

only ones qualified or can use the title Dr must come from one of these

colleges then you are adding to what naturopathy really is all about. You are setting qualifications that have

just not played out as truth.

 

If you want to seek health advice from an old woman in the woods that heals

with roots and berries, I have no problem with that at all. I'd pay her a visit

myself if I needed. If you want to seek health advice from an authentic

physician formally trained in the natural healing arts, I think that's

wonderful too. Isn't it absolutely fantastic that these kind of doctors are

available and acknowledged by 14 states in this country? Things have change a

lot since the 70's.

 

I would definitely

choose the old woman in the woods because she is much more trained in the

tradition healing arts than any “authentic” physician. She obviously understands the healing

properties of the body and I would bet that she hasn’t had a formal

course in human anatomy and physiology.

 

I am so glad that

Texas DOES NOT license naturopaths. This is one (among many) good thing

about Texas. A license can be taken away, but

certification cannot which is another reason that licensing is being heavily

promoted. With a license you are bound

to the state/government and THEY decide if you are worthy or not. It can be very political and absolutely

nothing about your true qualifications.

There are a lot of good naturopaths that were not educated in the

so-called accredited schools. Calling

them Fakes because they don’t meet a particular

person’s definition or some college’s definition is ridiculous, at

best.

 

A scenario to

consider: What would happen, if one

day all these conventionally trained naturopaths are called together by the government

and told: “You have been

trained in naturopathy and allopathic medicine. We now believe that allopathic medicine

is superior in nature, so we are taking your naturopathic license away and you

will now only be permitted to practice medicine in the way we deem as

best. We will provide you with more

allopathic education so you can be called “Doctor” but you are to

cease all natural forms of medicine.” Then where does this proper education

and licensing get you? Say it won’t/can’t

happen? No one 20-30 years ago thought we would be fighting a mindset like

CODEX. We are vastly heading in the

direction to where government controls all forms of medicine/health. You see, if they can’t control us

then they will make us think that the two types of medicine can co-exist. So we follow, giving them the trump

card. We are just where they want

us to be and now they can call all the shots. I know this sounds real conspiracy

minded—but there is a conspiracy against any thinking, modalities or food

(including supplements) that will allow the body to heal. Sickness has become BIG BUSINESS and

they want complete control so the money comes to them. The saying “just follow the money”

rings very, very true.

 

Be Well~

Loretta

 

“Truth is so

obscure in these times, and falsehood so established, that, unless we love the

truth, we cannot know it.” --Blaise Pascal