Finding a Naturopathic - murielblackley2

[Guest guest]

Hi murielblackley2,

I'm glad you found relief, that would never upset me. Many women find

relief on their own using natural remedies. I have very successfully

treated many women without bio-identical hormones. Some women have mild

or no symptoms at all. Also after about 7 years menopausal symptoms

subside for most women.

However, in my experience women with severe symptoms don't get

significant relief from vitamin, herbal, or homeopathic remedies -

include diet and exercise changes here.

By severe this typically means - 10 to 50 hot flashes during the day.

Multiple night sweats which disturb their sleep. Severe insomnia.

Significant emotional lability (the most debilitating). No energy - women

commonly rate energy level at 2 or 3 out of 10. No sex drive. Vaginal

dryness which leads to painful intercourse and often urinary frequency

and urinary stress incontinence - pee slips out when coughing or

sneezing.

Today I saw a women who when she first came to see me was at her wits

end. She broke down crying and said she couldn't go on like this much

longer. Her marriage was becoming strained and she felt absolutely

hopeless. She had tried multiple remedies from the health food store and

none of it helped. I can assure you this woman had more than a

" modicum of common sense. " Though, she does not possess the

tendency to foolishly judge others as some do.

I prescribed her natural hormones along with essential dietary and

supplemental recommendations to protect against hormone dependent cancers

and heart disease. On her 3 week follow-up visit almost all of her

symptoms were largely relieved ~90% better. Insomnia and low sex drive

remained. I altered her prescription and saw her today 3 months later.

All of her symptoms completely gone. She said " I am my old self

again. " She brought her friend with her to meet me and schedule a

visit for the same issues.

So, would you say your menopausal symptoms were severe? If they were as

severe as I've described above and you found relief with

" natural " remedies, I'd love to know what you did.

~M

 

 

 

 

Well, sorry to upset you, but I

for one have not gone near a doctor

to treat my menopausal symptoms, I have done a lot of research and

followed my gut on what remedies are best suited to ME and guess

what - yes, I've found great relief, all on my very own!!!!! There

are many other women out there just like me who don't go to doctors

as we are not impressed with the drugs they expect us to

swallow.

Anyone with a modicum of common sense and the time and inclination to

 

learn can learn to help themselves safely to some degree at least

with natural remedies, that's the whole point of the pharmaceutical

company backlash. I stopped making money for them years ago when I

realised they were killing my dog. Manged to kep her alive three

years longer than my vet said she would live. Later I realised they

were killing me too and weaned myself off the drugs my doctor had had

 

me on for years. Haven't quite got all the 'side effects' sorted

yet, but getting there.....

I'm delighted to find sites such as this where people can share their

 

knowledge, and people like Tony are happy to pass on their experience

 

which is greater than mine.

--- In

 

oleander soup , " Tony "

wrote:

>

> You again make some very good and eloquent points. I don't intend

to

> enter into a prolonged debate but I will respond to some of

your

> points with my points of view:

>

> > Knowledgeable people and doctors of medicine are two different

 

> > things. I take it that you consider yourself someone

knowledgeable in

> > the area of health, in particular with regard to

" natural "

therapies

> > and health. I assume that you might be interested in sharing

your

> > knowledge with people afflicted with various health conditions.

 

> > Perhaps this is a passion of yours. While it might be more

 

effective

> > for you to realize your passion by obtaining a phoney diploma,

 

that

> > would be a very questionable ethical and legal act.

>

> I agree, although I can see how some might wish to do so purely out

 

of

> the desire to give more credence to what they have to say. Yes, I

 

am

> " somewhat knowledgeable " in regards to natural therapies

and health,

> having likely spent more hours researching and studying them

privately

> that many who have accredited degrees. In medicine, a formal

education

> normally handicaps one's knowledge of natural health.

>

> Having said that, I harken back to the term " somewhat

knowledgeable "

> as being very apropos for my overall knowledge of natural

health,

> except possibly for oleander - and even there, I am still

learning.

>

> > I'm not speaking of rumors or conspiracy theories. The

organizations

> > representing diploma mill " naturopaths " ,

" doctors of nutrition " ,

> > PhD's etc. in fact lobby against the licensing of formally

 

trained

> > Naturopathic doctors.

>

> Please provide me with evidence of this! I just cannot see the

> combined forces of every diploma mill in the known universe

even

> approaching the power and lobbying influence of a single major

> pharmaceutical company, let alone the entire trillion dollar plus

 

goliath!

> >

> > They actually employ the services of the top lobbyists in the

 

country

> > and have been very successful. If it wasn't for these efforts

 

alone,

> > competently trained doctors of Naturopathy would be licensed in

 

the

> > majority of states in the USA rather than the minority. I'm not

 

> > saying big pharma and the AMA are the friends of Naturopaths

and

> > alternative medicine. But when it comes down to the effort put

 

forth

> > to lobby, protest and ship bus loads of people to state

assemblies to

> > fight against licensing, it is the fake ND's that have almost

 

> > exclusively done so.

>

> That is a fascinating assertion. I have heard nothing of such a

> thing. I would think that such an ability to hire top lobbyists

in

> the country and send busloads of people would be vigorously

employed

> against such things as the North American Trilateral agreement,

> S-1082, the FDA guidelines issue, etc., but I have seen nor

heard

> nothing of the sort. If I am wrong, then I want to know about it

 

so I

> can admit my ignorance and go forward better informed - as soon as

I

> digest my plate of crow!

>

> > There are no naturopathic members of the AMA. If you're

referring

to

> > complementary MD's, certainly things have not been easy for

them.

> > Many many more MD's have been imprisoned, had their licenses

 

revoked

> > and have been vilified than Naturopaths. We are too small for

 

them to

> > notice. Also times have changed dramatically since the 70s,

when

even

> > the idea of eating whole grain bread was ridiculed by the

medical

> > establishment.

>

> About the only thing I see that has changed since the 70's is

where

> the AMA has given in when the overwhelming weight of evidence, such

 

as

> taking daily multivitamins, has made them look ridiculous to

continue

> their opposition, or else where industry and mainstream medicine

 

have

> gained a foothold in an area that was previously a threat to

their

> profits.

>

> > Sometimes drug treatments

> > are safer and more effective than natural treatments.

> > I've treated a lot of post menopausal women. Many woman go

 

through

> > the change with few symptoms. However, women that have severe

 

> > symptoms get little relief from natural treatments. I can

assure

you

> > I've tried unsuccessfully many times. You might not appreciate

 

what

> > this is like for a women, without experiencing it first hand or

 

> > having a partner or close friend that has gone through it.

They

> suffer greatly.

> >

> This is an area where I have to fall back on my " somewhat

> knowledgeable " description and bow to your superior knowledge

and

> experience. It appears that " natural " bioidentical

hormones are

> outside mainstream medicine outside mainstream medicine and

considered

> by some to be more in the natural arena than the FDA approved

drugs

> are. Maybe that is why natural bioidentical hormones are under

attach

> by mainstream medicine just like natural supplements are.

>

> > There is an historic precedence for the title of

Naturopathic

> doctor. > These were trained physicians like Benedict Lust. There

 

were

> dozens Naturopathic medical schools in this country that trained

 

real

> > doctors.

>

> That was before politics and corruption forced the monopoly of

> mainstream medicine on us - shutting down rival schools of

naturopathy

> and homeopathy and tying us into the clutches of those who doctored

 

by

> medicine instead of by healing.

>

> I lectured on the benefits of injectable

> > vitamin B12 in the treatment of people with HIV/AIDS. There's

so

much

> > published research and clinical experience to share for this

one

> > treatment which make such a huge difference. These doctors knew

 

> > nothing about it. They were taught in medical school that

vitamin

B12

> > injections were quackery for anything but cases of pernicious

 

anemia.

> > They couldn't believe the research I showed them, the cases I

 

> > reported. They were excited out of their minds. This stuff is

old

hat

> > to Naturopaths. You lean it in school and use it in clinic.

It's

> basic stuff.

>

> Good stuff. Too bad someone is not teaching them about the use

of

> oleander to treat HIV. The OPC product has treated over 350

patients

> during the past 3 years and ALL are alive and well, with HIV

symptoms

> either reversed or stabilized.

>

> In the instance of oleander use in treating cancer and other

> conditions such as hep-c, as it happens there are doctors in

Mexico

> who come to Texas to be trained by a lay person not far from me in

 

the

> uses and preparation of oleander extract. This person has no

> credentials, not even a paper diploma. Just a decades long record

of

> saving lives and relieving suffering.

>

> And therein lies part of the rub. Natural healing has it's share

of

> quacks, but it also has a pretty impressive honor role of

> " unqualified " people who have made real contributions to

healing and

> have saved many, many lives. Where do people like that fit into

the

> paradigm of licensing?

>

> > It's happening in 14 states, the District of Colombia, Puerto

 

Rico

> > and the Virgin Islands. If it weren't for the fake ND's we

would

be

> > licensed in all the states. I'm happy to blame the AMA and FDA

 

when

> > they are responsible. This is coming from very greedy selfish

 

people

> > who happen to strongly believe in alternative medicine, but

would

> > like to fancy themselves doctors without achieving this

distinction.

>

> I guess we will have to agree to disagree if you say that it is

 

solely

> a powerful organization of fake ND's that prevents the

double-edged

> sword of licensing in all 50 states, at least until I am shown

some

> compelling evidence to the contrary. And I am not saying I could

 

not

> be wrong - just that I would be shocked to be that ignorant of such

 

an

> organized and powerful effort.

>

> It appears to me that some individuals and institutions in the

filed

> of naturopathy want to distance themselves from others with the

 

issue

> of accreditation of Naturopathic Doctors and the elevation of

ND's

> among the public, academia and the law to being the

professional

> equals of their mainstream counterparts.

>

> It usually takes at least 11 years to become a doctor: 4 years

of

> college, 4 years of medical school, and 3 years working in a

hospital.

> Would it not follow that it should take approximately the same

period

> of time to become a qualified Naturopathic Physician if they are to

 

be

> considered equals?

>

> I understand that " accredited " naturopathic colleges

require no more

> than 4 years to earn their " doctors " degrees. Does that

not open

them

> up to the same criticism, at least to a degree, that some give

to

> naturopaths who obtained their credentials via correspondence

school

> study?

>

> In closing, I would just like to say that there are a great many of

 

us

> who are advocates of natural healing and, at a time when we are

 

under

> attack, we would best be advised to seek unity. No doubt, we, need

 

to

> be able to find a way to weed out the quacks and charlatans but

we

> should do it without creating a caste system where those who

are

> genuinely interested in helping and healing do not have part of

the

> group, such as accredited naturopathic doctors, looking down

their

> noses and pointing fingers at another par, say non accredited

> naturopaths, who in turn look down their noses at still another

 

part,

> say " somewhat knowledgeable " self taught people like

myself.

>

> In that scenario, all the noses are pointed down at me!

>

> :-)

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Michael, sorry for late reply.

 

I never thought to classify my symptoms, but according to your

standards, yes, mine were severe - definitely. I'd just assumed I

was normalish, wrong again, lol.

 

What did I do - various vits and minerals - vit c, e, b, calmag,

ginkgo, kelp, echinacea - maybe helped some, but not greatly. Think

that was it. What really helped was Black Cohosh - dramatically

reduced the flushes etc.

 

I also remembered reading and using a book called The Mood Cure by

Julia Ross where she advises eating protein at every meal along with

various supplements - when I followed her advice a few years ago I

felt great but had gradually slipped. So, I started eating protein

at every meal despite not really wanting to eat meat. That appears

to have helped my mood at least some.

 

Flower Essences did most to help my mood and finally lifted me out of

the black hole I was in.

 

I've now added in Blackstrap molasses and malt - just a couple of

teaspoons of each a day.

 

Also 5HTP - since I started that I am finally sleeping more than a

couple of hours at a time and for a total of maybe 5 or 6 hours if I

was lucky. Initially I was probably too sleepy on it, but am now

taking half a tablet which seems to suit me much better - I'm

sleeping oh about 8 - 10 hours altogether a night, but alert and

awake through the day.

 

Apart from the Flower Essences and Black Cohosh, it's difficult to

say exactly how much each thing has helped as I think everything has

played a part. I'm still working on it, but at least I'm not soaked

several times a day or in the depths of depression.

 

I also walk for about 4 hours a day with my dog in nature - woods,

fields, but I've been doing that for 20 years, so nothing new.

 

I've got a copy of Linda Kearns' book again and intend to make her

menopause cake and see how much good it does me, it's supposed to be

really good at helping.

 

So, any more advice? Would be good to know what you usually advise

dietary, supplement etc wise. You're obviously not an allopathic

doctor, or not like the ones around here anyway :-) They'd just have

dished out HRT or something.

 

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Michael Uzick, N.M.D. "

<druzick wrote:

>

> Hi murielblackley2,

>

> I'm glad you found relief, that would never upset me. Many women

find

> relief on their own using natural remedies. I have very

successfully

> treated many women without bio-identical hormones. Some women have

> mild or no symptoms at all. Also after about 7 years menopausal

> symptoms subside for most women.

>

> However, in my experience women with severe symptoms don't get

> significant relief from vitamin, herbal, or homeopathic remedies -

> include diet and exercise changes here.

>

> By severe this typically means - 10 to 50 hot flashes during the

day.

> Multiple night sweats which disturb their sleep. Severe insomnia.

> Significant emotional lability (the most debilitating). No energy -

> women commonly rate energy level at 2 or 3 out of 10. No sex drive.

> Vaginal dryness which leads to painful intercourse and often

urinary

> frequency and urinary stress incontinence - pee slips out when

> coughing or sneezing.

>

> Today I saw a women who when she first came to see me was at her

wits

> end. She broke down crying and said she couldn't go on like this

much

> longer. Her marriage was becoming strained and she felt absolutely

> hopeless. She had tried multiple remedies from the health food

store

> and none of it helped. I can assure you this woman had more than a

> " modicum of common sense. " Though, she does not possess the

tendency

> to foolishly judge others as some do.

>

> I prescribed her natural hormones along with essential dietary and

> supplemental recommendations to protect against hormone dependent

> cancers and heart disease. On her 3 week follow-up visit almost all

> of her symptoms were largely relieved ~90% better. Insomnia and low

> sex drive remained. I altered her prescription and saw her today 3

> months later. All of her symptoms completely gone. She said " I am

my

> old self again. " She brought her friend with her to meet me and

> schedule a visit for the same issues.

>

> So, would you say your menopausal symptoms were severe? If they

were

> as severe as I've described above and you found relief

with " natural "

> remedies, I'd love to know what you did.

>

> ~M

>

>

>Well, sorry to upset you, but I for one have not gone near a doctor

> >to treat my menopausal symptoms, I have done a lot of research and

> >followed my gut on what remedies are best suited to ME and guess

> >what - yes, I've found great relief, all on my very own!!!!! There

> >are many other women out there just like me who don't go to doctors

> >as we are not impressed with the drugs they expect us to swallow.

> >

> >Anyone with a modicum of common sense and the time and inclination

to

> >learn can learn to help themselves safely to some degree at least

> >with natural remedies, that's the whole point of the pharmaceutical

> >company backlash. I stopped making money for them years ago when I

> >realised they were killing my dog. Manged to kep her alive three

> >years longer than my vet said she would live. Later I realised they

> >were killing me too and weaned myself off the drugs my doctor had

had

> >me on for years. Haven't quite got all the 'side effects' sorted

> >yet, but getting there.....

> >

> >I'm delighted to find sites such as this where people can share

their

> >knowledge, and people like Tony are happy to pass on their

experience

> >which is greater than mine.

> >

> >--- In

> ><oleander soup%

40>oleander soup ,

> > " Tony " @> wrote:

> > >

> > > You again make some very good and eloquent points. I don't

intend to

> > > enter into a prolonged debate but I will respond to some of your

> > > points with my points of view:

> > >

> > > > Knowledgeable people and doctors of medicine are two different

> > > > things. I take it that you consider yourself someone

> >knowledgeable in

> > > > the area of health, in particular with regard to " natural "

> >therapies

> > > > and health. I assume that you might be interested in sharing

your

> > > > knowledge with people afflicted with various health

conditions.

> > > > Perhaps this is a passion of yours. While it might be more

> >effective

> > > > for you to realize your passion by obtaining a phoney diploma,

> >that

> > > > would be a very questionable ethical and legal act.

> > >

> > > I agree, although I can see how some might wish to do so purely

out

> >of

> > > the desire to give more credence to what they have to say. Yes,

I

> >am

> > > " somewhat knowledgeable " in regards to natural therapies and

health,

> > > having likely spent more hours researching and studying them

> >privately

> > > that many who have accredited degrees. In medicine, a formal

> >education

> > > normally handicaps one's knowledge of natural health.

> > >

> > > Having said that, I harken back to the term " somewhat

knowledgeable "

> > > as being very apropos for my overall knowledge of natural

health,

> > > except possibly for oleander - and even there, I am still

learning.

> > >

> > > > I'm not speaking of rumors or conspiracy theories. The

> >organizations

> > > > representing diploma mill " naturopaths " , " doctors of

nutrition " ,

> > > > PhD's etc. in fact lobby against the licensing of formally

> >trained

> > > > Naturopathic doctors.

> > >

> > > Please provide me with evidence of this! I just cannot see the

> > > combined forces of every diploma mill in the known universe even

> > > approaching the power and lobbying influence of a single major

> > > pharmaceutical company, let alone the entire trillion dollar

plus

> >goliath!

> > > >

> > > > They actually employ the services of the top lobbyists in the

> >country

> > > > and have been very successful. If it wasn't for these efforts

> >alone,

> > > > competently trained doctors of Naturopathy would be licensed

in

> >the

> > > > majority of states in the USA rather than the minority. I'm

not

> > > > saying big pharma and the AMA are the friends of Naturopaths

and

> > > > alternative medicine. But when it comes down to the effort put

> >forth

> > > > to lobby, protest and ship bus loads of people to state

> >assemblies to

> > > > fight against licensing, it is the fake ND's that have almost

> > > > exclusively done so.

> > >

> > > That is a fascinating assertion. I have heard nothing of such a

> > > thing. I would think that such an ability to hire top lobbyists

in

> > > the country and send busloads of people would be vigorously

employed

> > > against such things as the North American Trilateral agreement,

> > > S-1082, the FDA guidelines issue, etc., but I have seen nor

heard

> > > nothing of the sort. If I am wrong, then I want to know about it

> >so I

> > > can admit my ignorance and go forward better informed - as soon

as I

> > > digest my plate of crow!

> > >

> > > > There are no naturopathic members of the AMA. If you're

referring

> >to

> > > > complementary MD's, certainly things have not been easy for

them.

> > > > Many many more MD's have been imprisoned, had their licenses

> >revoked

> > > > and have been vilified than Naturopaths. We are too small for

> >them to

> > > > notice. Also times have changed dramatically since the 70s,

when

> >even

> > > > the idea of eating whole grain bread was ridiculed by the

medical

> > > > establishment.

> > >

> > > About the only thing I see that has changed since the 70's is

where

> > > the AMA has given in when the overwhelming weight of evidence,

such

> >as

> > > taking daily multivitamins, has made them look ridiculous to

> >continue

> > > their opposition, or else where industry and mainstream medicine

> >have

> > > gained a foothold in an area that was previously a threat to

their

> > > profits.

> > >

> > > > Sometimes drug treatments

> > > > are safer and more effective than natural treatments.

> > > > I've treated a lot of post menopausal women. Many woman go

> >through

> > > > the change with few symptoms. However, women that have severe

> > > > symptoms get little relief from natural treatments. I can

assure

> >you

> > > > I've tried unsuccessfully many times. You might not appreciate

> >what

> > > > this is like for a women, without experiencing it first hand

or

> > > > having a partner or close friend that has gone through it.

They

> > > suffer greatly.

> > > >

> > > This is an area where I have to fall back on my " somewhat

> > > knowledgeable " description and bow to your superior knowledge

and

> > > experience. It appears that " natural " bioidentical hormones are

> > > outside mainstream medicine outside mainstream medicine and

> >considered

> > > by some to be more in the natural arena than the FDA approved

drugs

> > > are. Maybe that is why natural bioidentical hormones are under

> >attach

> > > by mainstream medicine just like natural supplements are.

> > >

> > > > There is an historic precedence for the title of Naturopathic

> > > doctor. > These were trained physicians like Benedict Lust.

There

> >were

> > > dozens Naturopathic medical schools in this country that trained

> >real

> > > > doctors.

> > >

> > > That was before politics and corruption forced the monopoly of

> > > mainstream medicine on us - shutting down rival schools of

> >naturopathy

> > > and homeopathy and tying us into the clutches of those who

doctored

> >by

> > > medicine instead of by healing.

> > >

> > > I lectured on the benefits of injectable

> > > > vitamin B12 in the treatment of people with HIV/AIDS. There's

so

> >much

> > > > published research and clinical experience to share for this

one

> > > > treatment which make such a huge difference. These doctors

knew

> > > > nothing about it. They were taught in medical school that

vitamin

> >B12

> > > > injections were quackery for anything but cases of pernicious

> >anemia.

> > > > They couldn't believe the research I showed them, the cases I

> > > > reported. They were excited out of their minds. This stuff is

old

> >hat

> > > > to Naturopaths. You lean it in school and use it in clinic.

It's

> > > basic stuff.

> > >

> > > Good stuff. Too bad someone is not teaching them about the use

of

> > > oleander to treat HIV. The OPC product has treated over 350

> >patients

> > > during the past 3 years and ALL are alive and well, with HIV

> >symptoms

> > > either reversed or stabilized.

> > >

> > > In the instance of oleander use in treating cancer and other

> > > conditions such as hep-c, as it happens there are doctors in

Mexico

> > > who come to Texas to be trained by a lay person not far from me

in

> >the

> > > uses and preparation of oleander extract. This person has no

> > > credentials, not even a paper diploma. Just a decades long

record of

> > > saving lives and relieving suffering.

> > >

> > > And therein lies part of the rub. Natural healing has it's

share of

> > > quacks, but it also has a pretty impressive honor role of

> > > " unqualified " people who have made real contributions to

healing and

> > > have saved many, many lives. Where do people like that fit into

the

> > > paradigm of licensing?

> > >

> > > > It's happening in 14 states, the District of Colombia, Puerto

> >Rico

> > > > and the Virgin Islands. If it weren't for the fake ND's we

would

> >be

> > > > licensed in all the states. I'm happy to blame the AMA and FDA

> >when

> > > > they are responsible. This is coming from very greedy selfish

> >people

> > > > who happen to strongly believe in alternative medicine, but

would

> > > > like to fancy themselves doctors without achieving this

> >distinction.

> > >

> > > I guess we will have to agree to disagree if you say that it is

> >solely

> > > a powerful organization of fake ND's that prevents the double-

edged

> > > sword of licensing in all 50 states, at least until I am shown

some

> > > compelling evidence to the contrary. And I am not saying I could

> >not

> > > be wrong - just that I would be shocked to be that ignorant of

such

> >an

> > > organized and powerful effort.

> > >

> > > It appears to me that some individuals and institutions in the

filed

> > > of naturopathy want to distance themselves from others with the

> >issue

> > > of accreditation of Naturopathic Doctors and the elevation of

ND's

> > > among the public, academia and the law to being the professional

> > > equals of their mainstream counterparts.

> > >

> > > It usually takes at least 11 years to become a doctor: 4 years

of

> > > college, 4 years of medical school, and 3 years working in a

> >hospital.

> > > Would it not follow that it should take approximately the same

> >period

> > > of time to become a qualified Naturopathic Physician if they

are to

> >be

> > > considered equals?

> > >

> > > I understand that " accredited " naturopathic colleges require no

more

> > > than 4 years to earn their " doctors " degrees. Does that not open

> >them

> > > up to the same criticism, at least to a degree, that some give

to

> > > naturopaths who obtained their credentials via correspondence

school

> > > study?

> > >

> > > In closing, I would just like to say that there are a great

many of

> >us

> > > who are advocates of natural healing and, at a time when we are

> >under

> > > attack, we would best be advised to seek unity. No doubt, we,

need

> >to

> > > be able to find a way to weed out the quacks and charlatans but

we

> > > should do it without creating a caste system where those who are

> > > genuinely interested in helping and healing do not have part of

the

> > > group, such as accredited naturopathic doctors, looking down

their

> > > noses and pointing fingers at another par, say non accredited

> > > naturopaths, who in turn look down their noses at still another

> >part,

> > > say " somewhat knowledgeable " self taught people like myself.

> > >

> > > In that scenario, all the noses are pointed down at me!

> > >

> > > :-)

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