Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 > I have noticed that the symptoms for leukemia and agent orage are > similar, the patients from the Fallon NV. that have been affected by > leukemia got it from the lower level nuke waste that was dumped there > in the early 60's. This would seem to prove the theory that leukemias > can be gotten thru toxic environmental ways. The official > Govt/Military line is to the contrary of course.... A friend was a " forward observer " in one of the original bomb tests out there. He's finally been diagnosed with chronic myeloid leaukemia after chasing his tail the past 15 years dealing with an assortment of very strange health problems. Don > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 > I have noticed that the symptoms for leukemia and agent orage are > similar, the patients from the Fallon NV. that have been affected by > leukemia got it from the lower level nuke waste that was dumped there > in the early 60's. This would seem to prove the theory that leukemias > can be gotten thru toxic environmental ways. The official > Govt/Military line is to the contrary of course.... Here's a book you might be interested in if you haven't already seen it: The Day We Bombed Utah. I can't remember the author and am not sure of the title. It's about the above ground atomic tests in the Nevada desert years ago. Utah is next to Nevada, and no one bothered to warn the people in Utah about the radiation that was drifting over to their state. People in the book talk about how a dust used to coat trees and bushes after each test. Not knowing any better, kids would go out and shake the bushes and get the stuff all over them. Many ended up with leukemia and other cancers. Radiation is not the only thing that can trigger cancers. Pollution and toxins in the environment can too. There is one type of brain cancer which almost never develops unless the person has been exposed to certain pollutants. Certain viruses can act to make a person more susceptible to certain cancers. Heredity plays a role in the development of other cancers. Yes, the US government and other governments lie about these things and stonewall. While the government stonewalls, more and more people get sick and sicker and die. If the government would just admit certain things, that would prevent a lot of pain and suffering. It also would put the US closer to effective treatments for many things. While the government stonewalls, needed research doesn't get performed. I've talked about this on here before, but it bears repeating for new readers. Not everyone with an advanced degree is unselfishly working for the betterment of mankind or even following scientific methodology. There are some " scientists " and " researchers " prostituting their advanced degrees and positions. Pay them, and they will produce a " report " complete with scientific jargon that will say anything one wants the " study " to say. One individual which is particularly bad in this regard is a British psychiatrist by the name of Wessely. He works out of Kings College. Wessely has an international reputation for incredibly sloppy " research " , playing fast and loose with scientific methodology, and producing reports that say whatever the person paying him wants them to say. Wessely has done a lot of bogus studies concerning CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome). According to Wessely - who ignores physical findings except when it suits his purposes - CFS is psychological. Governments don't want to pay the disability on CFS, and neither do insurance companies whose policies have a clause that if a condition is psychological, the company only has to pay for 2 years. Hence, the hiring of someone like Wessely to " prove " it's all in their minds. Wessely shows up anytime there is something governments and industries want covered up. He also was given a huge grant by the US Pentagon to study Gulf War Syndrome in UK soldiers. Sure enough, he produced the expected " It's all in their heads and stress " " report " even though uranium is in the urine of many GWS sufferers, they are developing cancers and having children with birth defects at higher than usual rates, etc. When governments and industries are trying to sucker the public with this junk science, they also conduct media blitzes. PR packages are sent out to major media outlets. Very, very seldom will media outlets in the US do any independent verification. Instead, they will go with the story and " facts " as handed to them. What the public often sees and hears is not valid scientific reserach but nothing more than PR and propaganda designed to shape public perceptions. In the past, whenever government and industry did one of these PR blitzes on CFS, the PR package always included 3 individuals telling about how CFS is just psychological. Simon Wessely was always cited as one of the " experts " . These was always someone from a military hospital cited. And the 3rd individual was a woman, Elaine Showater (sp?) who wrote a book comparing people who have CFS, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, etc. to people who see little green men and labeling them all " hysterics " . Showater is an English teacher who as far as I have been able to discover has no training in science, medicine, or psychology, but yet is accepted as an expert on a medical problems. Her lack of credentials should have made various media outlets leery to accept one of these PR packages and running it as though it were sceince and factual. BTW, peer review in Great Britain is worthless from what I've been able to see. Peer review is the process by which various experts in a field will review a paper before it is published in a scientific journal. The other experts will evaluate the study and findings to make sure that correct methodology was followed and the author didn't make any wild leaps in logic. This is supposed to keep junk and propaganda from being published as scientific fact. The system is not working in Great Britain where junk " scietists " are reviewing each others' studies. I've seen so much sloppy research coming out of Britain that most of the time I won't even bother reading any research coming from Britain. The situation in the US is not too much better than that in Britain. Even though peer review is still working somewhat and more often than in Britain, there are other problems in this country. I would like to see every health care professional receive training in evaluating scientific studies so they can evaluate them for themselves instead of merely relying on the word of drug companies and others with selfish interests that a study was done properly and no wild leaps in logic were made. For more information on PR techniques, check out the article " The Doors of Perception " on Dr. Mercola's website. I believe there is a link to the article somewhere in the message base. If not, I'll post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 Not only this Victoria (below) but the NHS employs the Cochrane Network to evaluate individual studies and provide their own meta-analyses. Doctors rely heavily on this 'expert opinion' which is often just the expression of one or another interest group - e.g. Big Pharma playing at being honest broker in the medical - scientific community. Bit of a laugh really because the pharmaceuticals are so deeply entrenched in academic institutions and health care trusts by way of patronage and 'technical advice' there is no such thing as 'detached scientific objectivity' anymore. Having said that I'd be interested to know how the US fares better than the UK or elsewhere. A couple of years may prove me wrong (I hope I am wrong in this respect) but you may soon be experiencing a big clampdown in the USA over stuff like melatonin and stevia and a host of other things the big corporations have bulldozed off our health shop shelves. Cheers, Sammy. > BTW, peer review in Great Britain is worthless from what I've been able to see. Peer review is the process by which various experts in a field will review a paper before it is published in a scientific journal. The other experts will evaluate the study and findings to make sure that correct methodology was followed and the author didn't make any wild leaps in logic. This is supposed to keep junk and propaganda from being published as scientific fact. The system is not working in Great Britain where junk " scietists " are reviewing each others' studies. I've seen so much sloppy research coming out of Britain that most of the time I won't even bother reading any research coming from Britain. The situation in the US is not too much better than that in Britain. Even though peer review is still working somewhat and more often than in Britain, there are other problems in this country. I would like to see every health care professional receive training in evaluating scientific studies so they can evaluate them for themselves instead of merely relying on the word of drug companies and others with selfish interests that a study was done properly and no wild leaps in logic were made. victoria_dragon [victoria_dragon] 18 June 2003 11:50 Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Leukemia > I have noticed that the symptoms for leukemia and agent orage are > similar, the patients from the Fallon NV. that have been affected by > leukemia got it from the lower level nuke waste that was dumped there > in the early 60's. This would seem to prove the theory that leukemias > can be gotten thru toxic environmental ways. The official > Govt/Military line is to the contrary of course.... Here's a book you might be interested in if you haven't already seen it: The Day We Bombed Utah. I can't remember the author and am not sure of the title. It's about the above ground atomic tests in the Nevada desert years ago. Utah is next to Nevada, and no one bothered to warn the people in Utah about the radiation that was drifting over to their state. People in the book talk about how a dust used to coat trees and bushes after each test. Not knowing any better, kids would go out and shake the bushes and get the stuff all over them. Many ended up with leukemia and other cancers. Radiation is not the only thing that can trigger cancers. Pollution and toxins in the environment can too. There is one type of brain cancer which almost never develops unless the person has been exposed to certain pollutants. Certain viruses can act to make a person more susceptible to certain cancers. Heredity plays a role in the development of other cancers. Yes, the US government and other governments lie about these things and stonewall. While the government stonewalls, more and more people get sick and sicker and die. If the government would just admit certain things, that would prevent a lot of pain and suffering. It also would put the US closer to effective treatments for many things. While the government stonewalls, needed research doesn't get performed. I've talked about this on here before, but it bears repeating for new readers. Not everyone with an advanced degree is unselfishly working for the betterment of mankind or even following scientific methodology. There are some " scientists " and " researchers " prostituting their advanced degrees and positions. Pay them, and they will produce a " report " complete with scientific jargon that will say anything one wants the " study " to say. One individual which is particularly bad in this regard is a British psychiatrist by the name of Wessely. He works out of Kings College. Wessely has an international reputation for incredibly sloppy " research " , playing fast and loose with scientific methodology, and producing reports that say whatever the person paying him wants them to say. Wessely has done a lot of bogus studies concerning CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome). According to Wessely - who ignores physical findings except when it suits his purposes - CFS is psychological. Governments don't want to pay the disability on CFS, and neither do insurance companies whose policies have a clause that if a condition is psychological, the company only has to pay for 2 years. Hence, the hiring of someone like Wessely to " prove " it's all in their minds. Wessely shows up anytime there is something governments and industries want covered up. He also was given a huge grant by the US Pentagon to study Gulf War Syndrome in UK soldiers. Sure enough, he produced the expected " It's all in their heads and stress " " report " even though uranium is in the urine of many GWS sufferers, they are developing cancers and having children with birth defects at higher than usual rates, etc. When governments and industries are trying to sucker the public with this junk science, they also conduct media blitzes. PR packages are sent out to major media outlets. Very, very seldom will media outlets in the US do any independent verification. Instead, they will go with the story and " facts " as handed to them. What the public often sees and hears is not valid scientific reserach but nothing more than PR and propaganda designed to shape public perceptions. In the past, whenever government and industry did one of these PR blitzes on CFS, the PR package always included 3 individuals telling about how CFS is just psychological. Simon Wessely was always cited as one of the " experts " . These was always someone from a military hospital cited. And the 3rd individual was a woman, Elaine Showater (sp?) who wrote a book comparing people who have CFS, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, etc. to people who see little green men and labeling them all " hysterics " . Showater is an English teacher who as far as I have been able to discover has no training in science, medicine, or psychology, but yet is accepted as an expert on a medical problems. Her lack of credentials should have made various media outlets leery to accept one of these PR packages and running it as though it were sceince and factual. BTW, peer review in Great Britain is worthless from what I've been able to see. Peer review is the process by which various experts in a field will review a paper before it is published in a scientific journal. The other experts will evaluate the study and findings to make sure that correct methodology was followed and the author didn't make any wild leaps in logic. This is supposed to keep junk and propaganda from being published as scientific fact. The system is not working in Great Britain where junk " scietists " are reviewing each others' studies. I've seen so much sloppy research coming out of Britain that most of the time I won't even bother reading any research coming from Britain. The situation in the US is not too much better than that in Britain. Even though peer review is still working somewhat and more often than in Britain, there are other problems in this country. I would like to see every health care professional receive training in evaluating scientific studies so they can evaluate them for themselves instead of merely relying on the word of drug companies and others with selfish interests that a study was done properly and no wild leaps in logic were made. For more information on PR techniques, check out the article " The Doors of Perception " on Dr. Mercola's website. I believe there is a link to the article somewhere in the message base. If not, I'll post it. Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Who has had leukemia on the list? Especially acute myeloid leukemia. Either way, how did you combat it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Does anyone know of a specific website where eldi oil can be purchased??thanksNatalie--- On Thu, 4/9/09, May <luellamay129 wrote: May <luellamay129 Re: Leukemiaoleander soup Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 2:00 PM Hi Eva, I am so sorry to hear this, but yet so glad she is open to alternative measures. Of course, Oleander is the most important, and tell her not to forget to do the liver flush, as her liver needs to be strong enough to handle the toxins that the oleander will bring forth. Diet is imperative. No sugar. Above all, Cancer feeds on sugar. She should follow the Budwig Diet and the full diet recommendations. Actually, the entire protocol is important, everything in it strengthens the immune system. As for specifics, hmmmm....... Well, I'm going to Tony handle that. By the way, I have heard that Oleander is quite effective against Leukemia. I wish her my best. oleander soup, Eva Klein-Otis <eklein.otis@ ...> wrote:>> Hi Tony and ,> > My former pastor's mother in Atlanta has just been diagnosed with Leukemia and according to my best friend, the family seem keen to try alternative measures. I will forward Tony's protocol to them. I know first hand how great it is. I was wondering if there is any other info that is specific for treating Leukemia. And if she can't/won't do the whole protocol, which are the most important items she focus on?> > Thanks in advance,> Eva.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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