Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 I agree with you completely when it comes to naturopaths. Those who go to the so-called accredited schools, get state licenses and are accepted by the mainstream professionals are little more than mainstream assistants - limited in what they are taught and practice and deferring to mainstream treatment methods, while at the same time looking down their noses at the true healers who treat outside the box. Those of us who have been here awhile remember one such know it all from last year who we (or was that ME - smile) tarred and feathered him and sent him on his holier than thou way to serving his mainstream brothers. I had much rather have one like yourself. When you agree with me of course. ROFL! PS - Thanks for the tip on the Biomat. But for $100 as opposed to $1600 I will opt for the Wallyworld mat with rotating zones of heat and massage and spend a small part of the savings for a less expensive infrared device. Same as I will opt for foot baths of warm distilled water (or perhaps some Kangen water), apple cider vinegar and Epsom salts instead of the Corrode-a-lator or whatever that was at the rodeo. oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <drlanphier wrote: > > Well, Shara, you continue to amaze me at what you are doing to help your > husband get healthy. Great job! I would love it if my clients took things > as seriously as you are - maybe I need to send them over to you just to show > that Yes, it can be done. > > > > I would caution about the wheat and thus trying a gluten-free for a while. > Most people will know within 2-3 weeks if it is helping because the > difference will be that great. > > > > You are fortunate in that you have the land, money and time to have a > working farm. I have long been encouraging people to begin growing their > own foord as much as possible. Everyone can grow vegetables in containers. > And, it seems, that when people decide to plant more gardens, " the powers > that be " then decide to adulterate all the seeds. Ugh! One way or another > they are trying to keep everyone sick. > > > > Unfortunately, I don't know an alternative for the canning lids. Possibly > blanching and freezing produce/fruit would be a better method than canning. > > > > Since you are using iron skillets, I guess that your husband's iron and > ferritin levels have been checked? > > > > I am a traditional naturopathic doctor which means that I am not one that > has graduated from the colleges that have set themseles up as being the only > ones that produce " true doctors. " Quite convenient of them to impose this > standard for everyone to follow and I'm sure it works great for their bank > account. Most of the ND's coming out of these colleges are just glorified > MD's. Just my opinion along with the fact that we, again, are trying to put > natural medicine on the same level of conventional medicine. I would highly > encourage you to become a traditional ND as we certainly need more who are > true to natural methods. It doesn't mean that I would never go to a doctor > or a hospital or encourage someone to get conventional treatment. But in my > personal case it means conventional medicine would be my " last " choice, not > my " first " choice. > > Be Well > Loretta > > oleander soup oleander soup On > Behalf Of blondfury123 > Sunday, April 20, 2008 5:16 PM > oleander soup > Re: Natural remedies for seizures > > > > Loretta, > > Thank you for your kind words. Most of the time, I feel like I'm > > spinning my wheels and that he's not lucky to have me. I'm very > > lucky to have him, though. He is my world. > > > > We don't feed our animals store-bought grain and feeds anymore. We > > did for a while, but now they're only on pasture. We're planting an > > entire field of corn and oats specifically for feeding the animals > > next winter. > > > > I have to admit that we buy our flour from the store. I had not > > thought about the pesticides that would be in it. Thank you for > > reminding me of that as another source of toxins. We're going to be > > growing our own wheat this year too, so that will be taken care of. > > I think we're going to need about a million more acres than we have > > just to grow the food we need to get our family through the winter > > and into the next growing season! > > > > I am aware of the chemtrails. We're fortunate that we don't have > > that many around here, but there are certain times of the year that > > they seem more prevalent. It worries me, but I can't find the glass > > bubble I need to keep them out, lol. Seriously though, it's sad that > > our world is no longer a clean place to live. > > > > We do grow with heirloom seeds. We also save our seeds from year to > > year. The GM plants and seeds really worry me which is why we took > > our food animals (goats and rabbits) off purchased grain. Our > > chickens have always been free range. Knowing that the GM > > corporations control approximately 98% of the seeds in the world is > > worrisome to me. Even the genetics of the bees that pollenate the GM > > plants are changing. Not a good thing! That combined with hive > > collapse is scary to me. > > > > I do use stainless steel to mix in, but we cook in iron skillets. > > Except the bread pans. Those are stainless too (I threw out all the > > aluminum ones years ago!). I will get glass bread pans. What about > > the lids for home-canned foods? It occurred to me that they are > > probably lined with plastic. Do you know an alternative for those? > > > > What are you a doctor of? I've seriously been considering becoming > > an N.D. At one point, I wanted to be an M.D. but no longer. > > > > Again, thank you for the kind words and helpful suggestions. More > > things to add to my list! > > > > Shara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 I totally agree. In my experience, the naturopaths have been nothing but retailers for food supplements - very expensive ones at that. The last time i went to one for simple allergy was few bottle of caps i could have bought for $20, and he charged me $110 for it. They have no more information than what we could find with few clicks in the Internet. I am sure there are some natropaths that are worth the name. But, i haven't met any so far - they appear largely ignorant when it comes to things like cancer, they simply refer you to an allopath, in whom we so trust (being cynical here, forgive me). Also, i have known few " new age " friends who were sending their kids to a local naturopathic college. There is nothing wrong with that, except that these kids failed in their schools, and the natropathic college is their career of last resort. Go figure... " Tony " wrote: Those who go to the so-called accredited schools, get state licenses and are accepted by the mainstream professionals are little more than mainstream assistants - limited in what they are taught and practice and deferring to mainstream treatment methods, while at the same time looking down their noses at the true healers who treat outside the box... Those of us who have been here awhile remember one such know it all from last year who we (or was that ME - smile) tarred and feathered him and sent him on his holier than thou way to serving his mainstream brothers... I had much rather have one like yourself. When you agree with me of course. > > Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Hmmm - I am not sure we are saying the same thing. What I am saying is that a lot of the new degreed schools for naturopaths are really just mainstream medicine with a very limited range of complimentary treatments that are acceptable to mainstream doctors - and the degreed, state approved naturopaths are taught to always defer to mainstream medicine as the primary form of treatment. To me that is just one of many ways that mainstream medicine is using to keep true naturopathic healing at bay and just give lip service to massage, essiac tea, acupuncture, aromatherapy, reflexology and the like. Nothing wrong with any of those - but when it comes to conditions like cancer, they are not the true potent natural and alternative methods I would choose. Or put it this way - they are things I might choose as complimentary to true naturopathic healing of cancer. Dr. Lanphier was taught at the hands of a master and given hands on experience. That to me beats the sanitized mainstream naturopaths hands down. You are right - it is a lot easier to find naturopaths who are more like supplemental pharmacists and point you to over priced supplements than ones that are true healers. And also far too easy to find those claiming to be psychic healers with magic contraptions, pretty crystals and healing rocks from a local rock store, and the like. That is why you should always do your homework - with ANYONE who is going to be involved with your health. There are a lot of good people and good treatments out there - that is why I get a bit worked up at all the bogus ones that cause people to paint the good ones in the same light. I will say that really good quality supplements are not priced the same as those you find on the shelves at Wally World, but there is no shortage of price gouging either. oleander soup , " Kris *ii7y " <Krisof+ wrote: > > I totally agree. In my experience, the naturopaths have been nothing > but retailers for food supplements - very expensive ones at that. The > last time i went to one for simple allergy was few bottle of caps i > could have bought for $20, and he charged me $110 for it. They have no > more information than what we could find with few clicks in the Internet. > > I am sure there are some natropaths that are worth the name. > > But, i haven't met any so far - they appear largely ignorant when it > comes to things like cancer, they simply refer you to an allopath, in > whom we so trust (being cynical here, forgive me). > > Also, i have known few " new age " friends who were sending their kids > to a local naturopathic college. There is nothing wrong with that, > except that these kids failed in their schools, and the natropathic > college is their career of last resort. Go figure... > > > " Tony " @> wrote: > Those who go to the so-called accredited schools, get state licenses > and are accepted by the mainstream professionals are little more than > mainstream assistants - limited in what they are taught and practice > and deferring to mainstream treatment methods, while at the same time > looking down their noses at the true healers who treat outside the > box... Those of us who have been here awhile remember one such know it > all from last year who we (or was that ME - smile) tarred and > feathered him and sent him on his holier than thou way to serving his > mainstream brothers... I had much rather have one like yourself. When > you agree with me of course. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Tony, I appreciate you coming to the defense of traditional naturopathy and me. Most of the list doesn’t know what went on behind the scenes with this guy as you really stepped up to the plate. He scared me a bit because of his insistance on being right about everything. You just never know what people will do when they get angry and I think he was definitely carrying around some misplaced anger. Sometimes I must back-off because angry people can be vengeful. I am glad that the door was shown to him and still, to this day, do not understand “why” he even wanted to be on a list such as this. Iron sharpens iron! If everyone agreed all the time then things would surely be a bit boring. J While everyone will not always agree upon method, we all agree on the underlying importance and benefits of helping the body to heal naturally. Because I am a cancer survivor, this part of natural medicine is my passion. I pray daily for guidance in helping people to get their body balanced. There are definitely some promising things on the horizon but it is in prevention that the best reuslts will be seen. And it’s all about what works for us as individuals. If a heating pad and organic apple cider vinegar (which, by the way, is great to add to distilled water to replace lost minerals. This is my “water” every day.) work for you then I say go for it! J Maybe you should look into an EMF protector for the heating pad?? <cough> We will probably have a BioMat in the clinic sometime this year. I was going to offer a complete FIR sauna but did not want to have to clean-up after clients. ;o) So it will be the BioMat or something just as good. I also looked at the FIR domes as there are a couple of new ones out, but because I get a bit claustrophobic I don’t offer anything that I wouldn’t do myself. I would also love to offer a hyperbaric oxygen chamber but the ones I can afford are also VERY claustrophobic, in my opinion. I watched the training video on how to get into one, etc.and it made my hands sweat just watching it. LOL! Needless to say, the distributor seemed quite disappointed with my reason for not purchasing one. LOL By the way, Shara, if you are reading this, hyperbaric oxygen treatments might be something else benficial for your husband. One of the side-effects of disease that natural medicine has the most dificulty with is pain relief. Especially for cancer patients. Modalities that provide non-toxic relief in this area are a god-send. Once people get on high-dosage pain medication, one health concern follows another and their health usually begins to take a downward spiral – not always, but more often than not. Constipation and depression are the most common concerns of pain meds. It is imperative to keep the bowel moving and the spirits up in order for healing to take place. Tony, I will pass along your nice comments about my mentor. Thank you. God truly blessed me in providing such an opportunity. And it’s kind-of funny (sad) that some of the worse healers (docs) I have been to had at least 10 letters after their names. Some of the best have had only two. While proper education is certainly necessary, it doesn’t always make for a good or competent doctor. But then this is true with just about any profession. Have a great week, everyone! J Be Well, Loretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 I think Dr G has something you might really want to take a look at. I'll be doing a post about it shortly. The Kangen water machine. I love the hyperbaric chambers - but I can see how they would be pricey in sizes larger than cocoon size. You are right about the vengeful and unbalanced types - one has only to look at my story for examples. And believe me, my own personal villain still has it in for me. oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <drlanphier wrote: > > Tony, I appreciate you coming to the defense of traditional naturopathy and > me. Most of the list doesn't know what went on behind the scenes with this > guy as you really stepped up to the plate. He scared me a bit because of > his insistance on being right about everything. You just never know what > people will do when they get angry and I think he was definitely carrying > around some misplaced anger. Sometimes I must back-off because angry people > can be vengeful. I am glad that the door was shown to him and still, to > this day, do not understand " why " he even wanted to be on a list such as > this. > > > > Iron sharpens iron! If everyone agreed all the time then things would > surely be a bit boring. :-) While everyone will not always agree upon > method, we all agree on the underlying importance and benefits of helping > the body to heal naturally. Because I am a cancer survivor, this part of > natural medicine is my passion. I pray daily for guidance in helping people > to get their body balanced. There are definitely some promising things on > the horizon but it is in prevention that the best reuslts will be seen. > > > > And it's all about what works for us as individuals. If a heating pad and > organic apple cider vinegar (which, by the way, is great to add to distilled > water to replace lost minerals. This is my " water " every day.) work for you > then I say go for it! :-) Maybe you should look into an EMF protector for > the heating pad?? <cough> > > > > We will probably have a BioMat in the clinic sometime this year. I was going > to offer a complete FIR sauna but did not want to have to clean-up after > clients. ;o) So it will be the BioMat or something just as good. I also > looked at the FIR domes as there are a couple of new ones out, but because I > get a bit claustrophobic I don't offer anything that I wouldn't do myself. > I would also love to offer a hyperbaric oxygen chamber but the ones I can > afford are also VERY claustrophobic, in my opinion. I watched the training > video on how to get into one, etc.and it made my hands sweat just watching > it. LOL! Needless to say, the distributor seemed quite disappointed with > my reason for not purchasing one. LOL > > > > By the way, Shara, if you are reading this, hyperbaric oxygen treatments > might be something else benficial for your husband. > > > > One of the side-effects of disease that natural medicine has the most > dificulty with is pain relief. Especially for cancer patients. Modalities > that provide non-toxic relief in this area are a god-send. Once people get > on high-dosage pain medication, one health concern follows another and their > health usually begins to take a downward spiral - not always, but more often > than not. Constipation and depression are the most common concerns of pain > meds. It is imperative to keep the bowel moving and the spirits up in order > for healing to take place. > > > > Tony, I will pass along your nice comments about my mentor. Thank you. God > truly blessed me in providing such an opportunity. And it's kind-of funny > (sad) that some of the worse healers (docs) I have been to had at least 10 > letters after their names. Some of the best have had only two. While > proper education is certainly necessary, it doesn't always make for a good > or competent doctor. But then this is true with just about any profession. > > > > Have a great week, everyone! :-) > > > > Be Well, > Loretta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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