Guest guest Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Hi there and welcome to the group. I can understand your concerns, after all oleander is highly toxic in raw form. However, the last place anyone interested in alternative supplements and/or treatments should seek information is the American Cancer Society, which has the dubious distinction of being the world's wealthiest non-profit organization: (http://www.preventcancer.com/losing/acs/wealthiest_links.htm Their board of directors is loaded with mainstream industry representatives and the ACS's very existence and all the exorbitant salaries and perks for it's executives, like the $400 billion dollar a year cancer industry and it's continued existence and profits, depends on NOT finding a cure for cancer. Seeking information from the ACS about natural and alternative treatments is akin to a vegetarian asking a butcher for diet recommendations. The entry for oleander is patently false - something I have pointed out to the ACS many times. They finally did concede and include some of the medicinal history and information which I provided to them, along with substantiation, but at the same time they later came back with even stronger warnings and one piece of pure gibberish that is obviously planted - the bogus allegation about Anvirzel deaths. There is no record anywhere of Anvirzel deaths, and to post hearsay that " the FDA has reports of two Anvirzel deaths " is itself an indication that the information was fabricated. Trust me, if mainstream medicine had any evidence of deaths or serious harm you can bet they would cite the exact instances and not rely on gossip! Oleander has been the main subject of my research and I have written a book and numerous articles about it. Never have I found any incidents of deaths. Neither has Phoenix Biotech, who until recently was the maker of Anvirzel, and neither has Ozelle Pharmaceuticals which includes members of Dr. Ozel's family and has all the records of the past 40 plus years of Anvirzel and oleander medicine use by Dr. Ozel. The bottom line is that yes, raw oleander is highly toxic and can be fatal. What we are talking about in this group is NOT raw oleander, but rather oleander that has been carefully boiled, strained and condensed in essentially the same way that Dr. Ozel patented in 1998. When properly prepared and taken according to directions, it has never been responsible for even one life-threatening side effect, much less a fatality. Compare that to any known chemo! Or just about any FDA approved drug. Or for that matter, aspirin or Tylenol. One note of caution: oleander's cardiac glycosides do cross assay with digoxen/digitalis and so anyone on those drugs or blood thinning medication should not use oleander, although many have reported doing so (usually reducing the other medications and proceeding very cautiously by beginning with tiny amounts and working their dosage amount up in small increments). I hope that answers your questions, oleander soup , Helen Wang <dingyung49 wrote: > > Hi, Tony, > > I am a new member. Oleander is a new discovery for me. I do not have cancer as far as I know but have been suffering chronic soreness deep bone pain(whole body) for many years. Have tried low dose naltrexone for two months with no help. So I am starting to research internet and came up Oleander. Somehow I read American Cancer Society warning about Oleander. Wonder if it is warrant to give a try. According to ACS it proves no benefit but may be dangerious. I am not trying to be negative but need to proceed with caution. > > *************************** > The oleander plant is poisonous, and many people have died from eating parts of the plant or drinking tea made from it. Death has resulted from heart failure or respiratory paralysis. Some of the symptoms and signs of oleander toxicity are nausea, vomiting, colic, appetite loss, dizziness, drowsiness, high potassium levels, heart block, dilated pupils, bloody diarrhea, seizures, loss of consciousness, and slow or irregular pulse. There have been reports of death occurring after oral and/or rectal administration of the extract from the plant. The FDA has received reports of at least 2 deaths linked to the use of Anvirzel before the filing of the Investigational New Drug application. > Skin irritation from contact with oleander has occurred and allergies are possible. There has been one report observing that, when oleander was taken by a pregnant woman 12 hours before delivery, her baby was affected with seizures and a slowed heart rate. No other cause for the seizures and low heart rate was found. This herb should be avoided, especially by children and women who are pregnant or breast-feeding. > > > Tony wrote: > Very true, Doctor G. However, oleander contains a lot more than just > glycosides and I would not rule out a bit of cancer zapping ability > outside the enhancement of the immune system. Take a look at just a > small list of the known compounds in oleander: > > Adynerin, Alpha-amyrin, Beta-sitosterol, Betulin, Foliandrin, > Folinerin, Gitoxigenin, Isoquercitrin, Lauric-acid, Linoleic-acid, > Neriin, Oleandrin, Oleandrigenin, Oleanolic-acid, Oleic-acid, > Quercetin, Rutin, Stigmasterol, Ursolic-acid, Uzarigenin. > > Potent immune boosting and/or anti-tumor compounds each and every one! > > As a preventive, I take a few doses a week, but cancer prevention > should incorporate a lot more than any one single item and so the rest > of the items on the anti-cancer protocol available here in the file > section should also be followed, especially proper diet, lifestyle, > healthy sunshine, clean air, good healthy water (you have something > that can help there, I believe), a bit of exercise, stress removal, etc. > > Just to be sure, every few months or so I will go several weeks at > full oleander dose and do the same every few months with a container > of inositol/IP6 powder (the Cell Forte from Utopia Silver) which DOES > zap tumors. As you know, it can take up to eight years for some > cancers to develop to pinhead size once they have gotten past the > immune system and gained a foothold. My theory is to use periods of > strong measures to zap the little devils before they have a chance to > get going. > > > > oleander soup , Michael Goebel <goebelchx@> wrote: > > > > Oleander glycosides do not kill the cancer. They enable the immune > system to find cancers (and other things not meant to be in the body), > and then the immune system does the exterminating. > > > > Dr. Goebel > > > > Kris *ii7y <Krisof+@> wrote: This may > have been covered before, but please answer me again as i am > > new here. My question is: Would anyone comment on the usage of > > Sutherlandia OPC as PREVENTIVE? If so, what should be the DOSAGE? > > > > Thanks, Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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