No N's and Flax & Juice Plus

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oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier "

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> My time is limited tonight but I wanted to respond about flax seed and

> prostate cancer and the Juice Plus discussion.

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Kygos

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Juice Plus is another MLM company that, in my opinion, has products that are priced way too high (for what you get) and they try to make eating healthy just a bit too convenient. Be WellLoretta

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Tammatha,

I agree with Loretta. I used JP+ for over a year and felt no real benefit. I also found out the apple juice they use is pasteurized! And not all of the ingredients are organic. Way too pricey for the hype. I'm still looking for a good V/M supplement.

Nonie

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Good stuff! Loretta......I'm a terrible book junkie...and I've given away all my Budwig stuff!

 

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In a message dated 5/30/2008 10:37:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, drlanphier writes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

My time is limited tonight but I wanted to respond about flax seed and prostate cancer and the Juice Plus discussion.Even Dr. Budwig said somewhere in her books that taking large amounts of flaxseed oil without bonding it with quark or cottage cheese, the protein that makes it water soluble so that it can be assimilated aused by the cells, is to be avoided. So, the statements going around that flax oil is thought to contribute to cancer many not go against the Budwig Protocol. Dr. Budwig warned that the use of FO without the sulfur-based proteins would produce the "opposite effect". Without the sulfur-based proteins it could be dangerous. It’s all about the emulsion process between the Flax seed oil AND the cottage cheese. None of the studies that are warning about flax seed oil used cottage cheese, but only pure flax seed oil.On page 31 of FLAX OIL AS A TRUE AID AGAINST ARTHRITIS, HEART INFARCTION, CANCER AND OTHER DISEASES Dr. Budwig writes, "The lipotropic protein connection, e.g. Cystein, as they are found inQuark, cottage cheese, or nuts are able to make water-soluble the biological highly unsaturated vegetable oils in seed oils. And that is what matters. When you mix together quark or cottage cheese and linseed oil [meaning flaxseed oil] in your blender (emersion stick blender is best), the fat becomes water-soluble." Water-soluble, according to D. B, will allow the cells to readily use the oil.Further down the same page, she writes, "Those highly unsaturated fats are essentially rich in electrons. This is clearly measurable, physically. These electrons enable fats to be surface-active at the capillary level. Capillary activity is, quite simply, enormously important."So, from these statements, it is clear that there is a major difference between ingesting large amounts of flaxseed oil or ALA from various sources and ingesting the blended and bonded mixture of FO and CC or quark that can help to heal the cells of the body. As Dr. Budwig said, "That is what matters." And that is why articles that discuss flaxseed oil alone or ALA in general are not talking about the Budwig Protocol or what Dr. Budwig recommended for success. I believe that it has been ascertained that the body cannot break down more than 2 tablespoons of flaxseed oil per day. HOWEVER, when it is emulsified with cottage cheese, it becomes water-soluble and the body can take a much higher amount. The BP, for active cancer, recommends 6 tablespoons of flaxseed oil per day emulsified into 12 tablespoons of organic low-fat cottage cheese or quark (divided up and taken at breakfast and after lunch) and at least 4 tablespoons of FRESHLY grounded flax seeds. Some people do take more of the flaxseed mixture.

 

The reference from Dr Budwig about the effect of single alpha linoleic acid (ALA) on malignant cells. It was written in her book "Tod des Tumors" (Death of Tumor), p 133. To summarize:Yes, ALA pushes cell growth. Budwig concludes that cancer tissue is defined by growth disturbance. This opinion is supported by the histological manifestation of a cancer cell - 2 kernels in 1 cell. The cell diversification starts with building 2 kernels and then stops. The weakness of this cell, hence its inability to build 2 new cells is the cause of malignancy. This growth disturbance can be repaired in vitro and vivo withflaxseed oil. The cells divide again, but they are not malignant anymore. Hence the observation that cancer tissue grows 250% with ALA. The researchers only forgot to test the grown tissue for malignancy. Some researchers! Outer tissue like mucous membrane is disposed, inner tissue is reduced by apoptosis. So ALA does cure cancer by completing the interrupted growth process of cancer cells.Alpha-linolenic acid - a polyunsaturated fatty acid with 18 carbon atoms; the only omega-3 fatty acid found in vegetable products; it is most abundant in canola oil; a fatty acid essential for nutrition

 

Alpha lipoic acid - a vitamin prosthetic group in enzymes involved in oxidative decarboxylation of keto acids such as 2-oxoglutarate and pyruvate. Called also a-lipoic acid, thioctic acid.I “think†that Alpha lipoic acid correctly should be LPA – Lipoic Acid and Alpha linolenic acid is ALA. However, usually Alpha Lipoic Acid is seen with the ALA, probably out of convenience.

Juice Plus is another MLM company that, in my opinion, has products that are priced way too high (for what you get) and they try to make eating healthy just a bit too convenient. We should be eating or juicing our vegetables and eating our fruits – not getting them from a pill. Now certainly there are some high quality supplements that include vegetables and fruits – Garden of Life, intraMAX, etc. but they are SUPPLEMENTS which means you use them “in addition to†a very healthy diet. Most people who get on Juice Plus think that is all they need and don’t have to worry about eating vegetables or fruit. There is nothing healthy about that type of mindset and they is what Juice Plus tends to foster. Wasting money on these types of things along with the bottled juices, which by the way usually contain sodium benzoate as a preservative, is not wise – especially for those fighting disease. Juice your vegetables and eat your fruits. When you eat the whole fruit your body gets the full synergistic effect of the fruit and the fiber will make sure that you don’t get a huge insulin spike. MLM companies have to pay up-lines and I read somewhere that up to 85% of the product price is used for this, so that means the products are way, way over-priced. God gave us natural food which is the perfect “fuel†for the body, if used wisely.(Much of the information about flax seed oil came from the Budwig group and I added a bit extra.)Have a great weekend, everyone. Looks like a hot one for Texas!Be WellLoretta

 

 

 

 

Sorry Tammatha, no n's

Here is a post from me a few days ago. I'm hoping Dr Loretta Lanphier

can shed some light on this.

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Posted by Kygos 5/28

Ok, I'm getting confused. The paradox is that lignans are accepted as

good, but the flax oil is thought to contribute to prostate cancer

because of the high ALA content.

But the Budwig is accepted as good, so is it the combination with

the sulpher proteins in the milk products?

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Quote... "Dissecting the paradox"

"The valuable lignans in flaxseed are found in the outer shell of the

seeds. But when the seeds are refined into oil, only a trace of the

lignans ends up in the finished product. This same process

dramatically increases the concentration of alpha-linolenic acid

(ALA), one of the primary omega-3 fatty acids. And while some studies

have suggested that ALA may slow cancerous growth in the breast and

colon, the effect on prostate cancer is an entirely different story.

 

Out of six known studies that have examined the association between

the risk of prostate cancer and the intake of dietary alpha-linolenic

acid, five of them found the cancer risk to increase with greater

intake of ALA. And the most recent of these studies - a trial from the

Registro Nacional de Cancer, Montevideo, Uruguay - concluded that the

two major risk factors associated with prostate cancer are a family

history of prostate cancer and intake of alpha-linolenic acid.

 

Do you ingest ALA when you eat flaxseeds? Yes, but compared to the ALA

content of flaxseed oil, the ALA in the seeds is generally considered

too low to be harmful to prostate cancer patients.

 

To say the jury is still out on the effects of flaxseed and flaxseed

oil on prostate cancer is an understatement. But further studies are

now in the works and, as they're reported, the huge gray areas in this

field of study will come into clearer focus."

To Your Good Health, Jenny Thompson

Health Sciences Institute

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Other sources stating like theories

 

http://www.udoerasmus.com/articles/udo/flax_prostate_expanded.htm

 

http://www.revolutionhealth.com/articles/flaxseed-and-flaxseed-oil/ns-bottomline-flaxseedandflaxseedoil

 

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/side-effects-flaxseed-oil.html

 

And if ALA is alpha linolenic acid, what's the acronym for alpha

lipoic acid?

 

Kygos

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Yes, it is appearing more & more to me that the Juice Plus+ is not it for me. However, Nonie you are right it's hard find a good viti/min supplement. I'm going to do research on it and go from there. I was told that they do use organic, it's awful hard to get the same answer twice about the same thing isn't it? Thank you ladies for your imput.

 

Tammatha

 

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Nonie Masterson

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Friday, May 30, 2008 11:23 PM

Re: Re: No N's and Flax & Juice Plus

 

 

 

 

Juice Plus is another MLM company that, in my opinion, has products that are priced way too high (for what you get) and they try to make eating healthy just a bit too convenient. Be WellLoretta

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Tammatha,

I agree with Loretta. I used JP+ for over a year and felt no real benefit. I also found out the apple juice they use is pasteurized! And not all of the ingredients are organic. Way too pricey for the hype. I'm still looking for a good V/M supplement.

Nonie