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I haven't read any of their books, but I hear they are good. I know you can't go completely crazy about not using chemicals, but I just prefer to try to find a simpler solution. I guess I don't trust anything any more, lol. :-)Cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/30/2008 2:37:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, strange_decadence writes:

 

 

 

 

It was reccomended in recipes in a book called "Skinny Bitch in the Kitch". If any of you have ever read "Skinny Bitch", you know how anti-chemicals they are. It surprises me that something they have in so many of their recipes would have such things in them... they even go as far to say not to take anything for cramps.. just to deal with it (wish I could).

Strange...

 

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I wasn't familiar with Ener-g, so I looked it up. It says the ingredients are:

 

Ingredients

 

 

 

Potato Starch, tapioca starch flour, leavening (calcium lactate [not derived from dairy], calcium carbonate, citric acid), sodium carboxymethylcellulose, methylcellulose

 

I don't like that it is full of chemicals, but as an occasional additive, say for baking, it seems to be better than most.

 

I also googled flax seeds as an egg replacement and came up with this:

 

 

Eggs - Substitute - - INGREDIENTS

 

 

1 cup flax seeds 4 cups water METHOD In a blender, process flax seeds to a fine meal. Add water and blend. Keeps about 2 weeks, refrigerated. 1/4 cup replaces one egg. NOTES Some people use ground up flax seeds and water. Others use whizzed-up silken tofu (an egg's worth? maybe 3 tablespoons). Personally, I have found that I can use a little more baking powder and things turn out fine without egg or egg-replacer. For example, I like making banana nut muffins and banana bread. I add an extra banana, double the baking powder, and it works fine (it also comes out moister). Be sure you use a non-aluminum baking powder like Rumford; doubling on the aluminum makes it really bitter (and it's not good for you anyway).

 

Interesting...and the tofu is fermented so that would be ok too...

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/30/2008 9:15:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, strange_decadence writes:

 

 

 

 

 

I've used Ener-G egg replacer. I'm vegan, but some recipes just need the next best thing. Seems Ener-G egg replacer acts a lot like the egg itself... not really sure about all the technical stuffs, though. I like how they even have some nifty recipes on the box.

 

Kriscyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

 

 

 

 

I've read some evidence that only fermented soy products are acceptable. Soy flour would not be one of them. I also read somewhere that ground up flax seeds can be used as an egg substitute in recipes, but I can't remember where. I'll ask the flaxseed oil list for you, and get back to you.

 

Cyndi

 

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What are your thoughts on soy flour?I read somewhere that 1 T Soy Flour can be used to replace 1 egg in recipes. Since Brian is allergic to eggs, this might be good for us - but is Soy Flour "good"? Terri

 

 

 

 

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the thing I love about vegetarian cookbooks is that they truly look for ways to use veggies creatively, and not just as something you put on a plate alongside meat.

 

Over the past two years, I've read everything I can find on healthy eating. I've seen some major, major debates on the cancer lists about vegetarian vs. meat eating being the "perfect" diet. My own conclusion about it all is that everyone gets illness, doesn't matter if they eat meat or not. There was a study in 1994 that talked about how vegetarians get cancer as much as meat eaters, they are just prone to different types of cancer.

 

As long as we eat the best foods we can-unprocessed whole foods, organic meat and veggies, raw dairy (meat/dairy being grass fed, not grain fed, which is unhealthy for the cow as well as us who eat it) and processing our grains correctly before we eat them, then we are doing everything we can to stay healthy, as well as adhering to our personal beliefs as to what is "healthy."

 

Personally-and this is just me-I think illness stems from two things: not enough healthy oils in our diet, and hormone deficiencies. Make that three things-add in all the toxic chemicals we are exposed to every day unknowingly. If you do a search of petrochemicals, and see how everything in our lives revolves around these carcinogens, you begin to understand why we are all sick.

 

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I read "Skinny Bitch" and I agree with eating lots of fruits and veggies....BUT....they say not to eat ANY animals...or animal products.....and I am def. a meat eater!

 

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It was reccomended in recipes in a book called "Skinny Bitch in the Kitch". If any of you have ever read "Skinny Bitch", you know how anti-chemicals they are. It surprises me that something they have in so many of their recipes would have such things in them... they even go as far to say not to take anything for cramps.. just to deal with it (wish I could). Strange... Kriscyndikrall wrote: I wasn't familiar with Ener-g, so I looked it up. It says the ingredients are: Ingredients Potato Starch, tapioca starch flour, leavening (calcium lactate [not derived from dairy], calcium carbonate, citric acid), sodium carboxymethylcellulose, methylcellulose I don't like that it is full of chemicals, but as an occasional additive, say for baking, it seems to be better than most. I also googled flax seeds as an egg replacement and came up with this: Eggs - Substitute - - INGREDIENTS 1 cup flax seeds 4 cups water METHOD In a blender, process flax seeds to a fine meal. Add water and blend. Keeps about 2 weeks, refrigerated. 1/4 cup replaces one egg. NOTES Some people use ground up flax seeds and water. Others use whizzed-up silken tofu (an egg's worth? maybe 3 tablespoons). Personally, I have found that I can

use a little more baking powder and things turn out fine without egg or egg-replacer. For example, I like making banana nut muffins and banana bread. I add an extra banana, double the baking powder, and it works fine (it also comes out moister). Be sure you use a non-aluminum baking powder like Rumford; doubling on the aluminum makes it really bitter (and it's not good for you anyway). Interesting...and the tofu is fermented so that would be ok too... Cyndi In a message dated 4/30/2008 9:15:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, strange_decadence writes: I've used Ener-G egg

replacer. I'm vegan, but some recipes just need the next best thing. Seems Ener-G egg replacer acts a lot like the egg itself... not really sure about all the technical stuffs, though. I like how they even have some nifty recipes on the box. Kriscyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: I've read some evidence that only fermented soy products are acceptable. Soy flour would not be one of them. I also read somewhere that ground up flax seeds can be used as an egg substitute in recipes, but I can't remember where. I'll ask the flaxseed oil list for you, and get back to you. Cyndi In a message dated 4/30/2008 8:36:32 A.M.

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I read "Skinny Bitch" and I agree with eating lots of fruits and veggies....BUT....they say not to eat ANY animals...or animal products.....and I am def. a meat eater!cyndikrall wrote: I haven't read any of their books, but I hear they are good. I know you can't go completely crazy about not using chemicals, but I just prefer to try to find a simpler solution. I guess I don't trust anything any more, lol.

:-)Cyndi In a message dated 4/30/2008 2:37:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, strange_decadence writes: It was reccomended in recipes in a book called "Skinny Bitch in the Kitch". If any of you have ever read "Skinny Bitch", you know how anti-chemicals they are. It surprises me that something they have in so many of their recipes would have such things in them... they even go as far to say not to take anything for cramps.. just to deal with it (wish I could). Strange... Kriscyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: I wasn't familiar with Ener-g, so I looked it up. It says the ingredients are: Ingredients Potato Starch, tapioca starch flour, leavening (calcium lactate [not derived from dairy], calcium carbonate, citric acid), sodium carboxymethylcellulose, methylcellulose I don't like that it is full of chemicals, but as an occasional additive, say for baking, it seems to be better than most. I also googled flax seeds as an egg replacement and

came up with this: Eggs - Substitute - - INGREDIENTS 1 cup flax seeds 4 cups water METHOD In a blender, process flax seeds to a fine meal. Add water and blend. Keeps about 2

weeks, refrigerated. 1/4 cup replaces one egg. NOTES Some people use ground up flax seeds and water. Others use whizzed-up silken tofu (an egg's worth? maybe 3 tablespoons). Personally, I have found that I can use a little more baking powder and things turn out fine without egg or egg-replacer. For example, I like making banana nut muffins and banana bread. I add an extra banana, double the baking powder, and it works fine (it also comes out moister). Be sure you use a non-aluminum baking powder like Rumford; doubling on the aluminum makes it really bitter (and it's not good for you anyway). Interesting...and the tofu is fermented so that would be ok too... Cyndi In a message dated 4/30/2008 9:15:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

strange_decadence writes: I've used Ener-G egg replacer. I'm vegan, but some recipes just need the next best thing. Seems Ener-G egg replacer acts a lot like the egg itself... not really sure about all the technical stuffs, though. I like how they even have some nifty recipes on the box. Kriscyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: I've read some evidence that only fermented soy products are acceptable. Soy flour would not be one of them. I also read somewhere that ground up flax seeds can be used as an egg substitute in

recipes, but I can't remember where. I'll ask the flaxseed oil list for you, and get back to you. Cyndi In a message dated 4/30/2008 8:36:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tressa1220 writes: What are your thoughts on soy flour?I read somewhere that 1 T Soy Flour can be used to replace 1 egg in recipes. Since Brian is allergic to eggs, this might be good for us - but is Soy Flour "good"? Terri Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Don't forget to check out my blog at:www.roguedecadence.vox.com & my online store at:www.roguedecadence.etsy.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.

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You know, the Budwig diet is supposed to be a good cure for arthritis, too. You might want to mention it to your neighbor, so she can check it out, if she has access to a computer. People talk about it curing their arthritis all the time. It's all about that "good fat" thing.

 

I haven't read those two cookbooks you mention, but I'll check them out on Amazon. Most of what I read is on the internet. I still pull out the Moosewood books, Suzanne Somers cookbooks, The Passionate Vegetarian, Christima Pirello's books, Anna Thomas' books, and some online vegan cookbooks. I'm trying to break my book habit, lol, so i don't want to get anything else unless I know I'll really use it.

 

NT is a great educational book.

cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/30/2008 7:37:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sheropesem writes:

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you. Absolutely. My neighbor is my age, about 34-35...and is having a horrible problem with ARTHRITIS. Isnt that horrible? So she asked me ....what are some SIMPLE things she could do do help her health? And I told her....NO SUGAR. And to watch what kind of fats she eats. I think those two things are huge. As for meat, I buy the best that we can afford right now. I"m also very blessed to have a sister who hunts, and so I have a whole shelf full of venison and elk right now.

I also have been reading vegetarian cookbooks. Not because I'm a vegetarian, but I was really thinking that myself and my family needed to be implementing more vegetables in our diet...and I wanted to do it in wonderful ways....as you said, as MORE than just a side dish. Two books that I absolutely grab for on a regular basis are Laurels Kitchen and From Asparagus to Zucchini. Laurels Kitchen is my favorite. I also have the Laurels Kitchen Bread Book. Laurels Kitchen is totally vegetarian, with the exception of dairy products and eggs. From Asparagus to Zucchini isnt all vegetarian...but it has every veggie, in alphabetical order...tells you how to cook it, store it, etc...with recipes to go with each vegetable. Those two books were recommended to me by a lady on another group...and I'm eternally grateful! I am still reading Nourishing Traditions...I work at it here and there. I agree with Sally Fallon on most things, except I dont eat shellfish or pork. NT did teach me about soaking/sprouting my grains , beans, etc...and again, I'm grateful. Also, if you have any recommendations for me, please PLEASE shout them out! I'm an avid reader anyhow...I'm all ears. Also, in case you dont know about it, there is a website called www.thriftbooks.com where all books are used, and some are even a penny....I always search them out there first before Amazon. Sometimes they have a book I'm looking for, sometimes they dont, but usually it's worth the effort to look.

Ok...whew...I think I've rambled on enough! I think this is a great group, and we can all help each other...which is important, since the way WE are trying to live is totally against the grain.

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Nothing for cramps? Are they crazy?

I've heard of drinking tons of water and staying away from certain foods, but nothing really helps.. sometimes a heat pack, but generally i needed something or else i'd have gone bonkers!!!

i pretty much never want to come off the meds i'm on partiallyb/c i dont want themt o come back!!!!

terri--- On Wed, 4/30/08, Kris DuVall <strange_decadence wrote:

Kris DuVall <strange_decadenceRe: [RFSL] Soy Flour?/ener-g egg replacer Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 5:37 PM

 

It was reccomended in recipes in a book called "Skinny Bitch in the Kitch". If any of you have ever read "Skinny Bitch", you know how anti-chemicals they are. It surprises me that something they have in so many of their recipes would have such things in them... they even go as far to say not to take anything for cramps.. just to deal with it (wish I could).

Strange...

 

Kriscyndikrall wrote:

 

 

 

 

I wasn't familiar with Ener-g, so I looked it up. It says the ingredients are:

 

Ingredients

 

 

 

Potato Starch, tapioca starch flour, leavening (calcium lactate [not derived from dairy], calcium carbonate, citric acid), sodium carboxymethylcellul ose, methylcellulose

 

I don't like that it is full of chemicals, but as an occasional additive, say for baking, it seems to be better than most.

 

I also googled flax seeds as an egg replacement and came up with this:

 

 

Eggs - Substitute - - INGREDIENTS

 

 

1 cup flax seeds 4 cups water METHOD In a blender, process flax seeds to a fine meal. Add water and blend. Keeps about 2 weeks, refrigerated. 1/4 cup replaces one egg. NOTES Some people use ground up flax seeds and water. Others use whizzed-up silken tofu (an egg's worth? maybe 3 tablespoons) . Personally, I have found that I can use a little more baking powder and things turn out fine without egg or egg-replacer. For example, I like making banana nut muffins and banana bread. I add an extra banana, double the baking powder, and it works fine (it also comes out moister). Be sure you use a non-aluminum baking powder like Rumford; doubling on the aluminum makes it really bitter (and it's not good for you anyway).

 

Interesting. ..and the tofu is fermented so that would be ok too...

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/30/2008 9:15:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, strange_decadence@ writes:

 

 

 

 

 

I've used Ener-G egg replacer. I'm vegan, but some recipes just need the next best thing. Seems Ener-G egg replacer acts a lot like the egg itself... not really sure about all the technical stuffs, though. I like how they even have some nifty recipes on the box.

 

Kriscyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

 

 

 

 

I've read some evidence that only fermented soy products are acceptable. Soy flour would not be one of them. I also read somewhere that ground up flax seeds can be used as an egg substitute in recipes, but I can't remember where. I'll ask the flaxseed oil list for you, and get back to you.

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/30/2008 8:36:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tressa1220 writes:

What are your thoughts on soy flour?I read somewhere that 1 T Soy Flour can be used to replace 1 egg in recipes. Since Brian is allergic to eggs, this might be good for us - but is Soy Flour "good"? Terri

 

 

 

 

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I spent most of high school begging my mom to kill me because of cramps. Didn't even know about mood swings cuz i was in too much pain. Every other month I had to switch pain killers b/c it was like I built up a tolerance. Now I get to feel it all. Being on the pill helped, but I started having side affects that weren't worth it. I try to keep those stick on heat pad things on hand. I always end up needing at least one. Ibuepropehn helps, and I do have some pamprim left. I also have this all natural stuff called oona I think. But I have to start taking it up to three days before I start, with the first sign of cramps, or it doesn't help much. After I run out of the chemicals I am going to be trying more natural remedies. Since I am not working right now it isn't so bad, but I am afraid that if I get another job it will cause problems. I have lost jobs before b/c of

not being able to work. And it is such a pain to get my boyfriend to understand that it is more than just a few owies here and there. He agreed that next month he gets to be the girl, but he says that every month and has yet to do it...lol. If only, right... KrisTerri McLaughlin <tressa1220 wrote: Nothing for cramps? Are they crazy? I've heard of drinking tons of water and

staying away from certain foods, but nothing really helps.. sometimes a heat pack, but generally i needed something or else i'd have gone bonkers!!! i pretty much never want to come off the meds i'm on partiallyb/c i dont want themt o come back!!!! terri--- On Wed, 4/30/08, Kris DuVall <strange_decadence > wrote: Kris DuVall <strange_decadence >Re: [RFSL] Soy Flour?/ener-g egg replacer Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 5:37 PM It was reccomended in recipes in a book called "Skinny Bitch in the Kitch". If any of you have ever read "Skinny Bitch", you know how anti-chemicals they are. It surprises me that something they have in so many of their recipes would have such things in them... they even

go as far to say not to take anything for cramps.. just to deal with it (wish I could). Strange... Kriscyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: I wasn't familiar with Ener-g, so I looked it up. It says the ingredients are: Ingredients Potato Starch, tapioca starch flour, leavening (calcium lactate [not derived from dairy], calcium carbonate, citric acid), sodium carboxymethylcellul ose,

methylcellulose I don't like that it is full of chemicals, but as an occasional additive, say for baking, it seems to be better than most. I also googled flax seeds as an egg replacement and came up with this: Eggs - Substitute - - INGREDIENTS 1 cup flax seeds 4 cups water METHOD In a blender, process flax seeds to a fine meal. Add water and blend. Keeps about 2 weeks, refrigerated. 1/4 cup replaces one egg. NOTES Some people use ground up flax seeds and water. Others use whizzed-up silken tofu (an egg's worth? maybe 3 tablespoons) . Personally, I have found that I can use a little more baking powder and things turn out fine without egg or egg-replacer. For example, I like making banana nut muffins and banana bread. I add an extra banana, double the baking powder, and it works fine (it also comes out moister). Be sure you use a non-aluminum baking powder like Rumford; doubling on the aluminum makes it really bitter (and it's not good for you anyway). Interesting. ..and the tofu is fermented so that would be ok too...

Cyndi In a message dated 4/30/2008 9:15:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, strange_decadence@ writes: I've used Ener-G egg replacer. I'm vegan, but some recipes just need the next best thing. Seems Ener-G egg replacer acts a lot like the egg itself... not really sure about all the technical stuffs, though. I like how they even have some nifty recipes on the box. Kriscyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: I've read some evidence that only fermented soy products

are acceptable. Soy flour would not be one of them. I also read somewhere that ground up flax seeds can be used as an egg substitute in recipes, but I can't remember where. I'll ask the flaxseed oil list for you, and get back to you. Cyndi In a message dated 4/30/2008 8:36:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tressa1220 writes: What are your thoughts on soy flour?I read somewhere that 1 T Soy Flour can be used to replace 1 egg in recipes. Since Brian is allergic to eggs, this might be good for us - but is Soy Flour "good"? Terri Need a new ride? Check out

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I agree with you. Absolutely. My neighbor is my age, about 34-35...and is having a horrible problem with ARTHRITIS. Isnt that horrible? So she asked me ....what are some SIMPLE things she could do do help her health? And I told her....NO SUGAR. And to watch what kind of fats she eats. I think those two things are huge. As for meat, I buy the best that we can afford right now. I"m also very blessed to have a sister who hunts, and so I have a whole shelf full of venison and elk right now. I also have been reading vegetarian cookbooks. Not because I'm a vegetarian, but I was really thinking that myself and my family needed to be implementing more vegetables in our diet...and I wanted to do it in wonderful ways....as you said, as MORE than just a side dish. Two books that I absolutely grab for on a regular basis are Laurels Kitchen and From Asparagus to Zucchini. Laurels Kitchen

is my favorite. I also have the Laurels Kitchen Bread Book. Laurels Kitchen is totally vegetarian, with the exception of dairy products and eggs. From Asparagus to Zucchini isnt all vegetarian...but it has every veggie, in alphabetical order...tells you how to cook it, store it, etc...with recipes to go with each vegetable. Those two books were recommended to me by a lady on another group...and I'm eternally grateful! I am still reading Nourishing Traditions...I work at it here and there. I agree with Sally Fallon on most things, except I dont eat shellfish or pork. NT did teach me about soaking/sprouting my grains , beans, etc...and again, I'm grateful. Also, if you have any recommendations for me, please PLEASE shout them out! I'm an avid reader anyhow...I'm all ears. Also, in case you dont know about it, there is a website called www.thriftbooks.com where all

books are used, and some are even a penny....I always search them out there first before Amazon. Sometimes they have a book I'm looking for, sometimes they dont, but usually it's worth the effort to look. Ok...whew...I think I've rambled on enough! I think this is a great group, and we can all help each other...which is important, since the way WE are trying to live is totally against the grain. Robyncyndikrall wrote: the thing I love about vegetarian cookbooks is that they truly look for ways to use veggies creatively, and not just as something you put on a plate alongside meat. Over the past two years, I've read everything I can find on healthy eating. I've seen some major, major debates on the cancer lists about vegetarian vs. meat eating being the "perfect" diet. My own conclusion about it all is that everyone gets illness, doesn't matter if they eat meat or not. There was a study in 1994 that talked about how vegetarians get cancer as much as meat eaters, they are just prone to different types of cancer. As long as we eat the best foods we can-unprocessed whole foods, organic meat and veggies, raw dairy (meat/dairy being grass fed, not grain fed, which

is unhealthy for the cow as well as us who eat it) and processing our grains correctly before we eat them, then we are doing everything we can to stay healthy, as well as adhering to our personal beliefs as to what is "healthy." Personally-and this is just me-I think illness stems from two things: not enough healthy oils in our diet, and hormone deficiencies. Make that three things-add in all the toxic chemicals we are exposed to every day unknowingly. If you do a search of petrochemicals, and see how everything in our lives revolves around these carcinogens, you begin to understand why we are all sick. cyndi In a message dated 4/30/2008 3:44:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sheropesem writes: I read "Skinny Bitch" and I agree with eating lots of fruits and veggies....BUT....they say not to eat ANY animals...or animal products.....and I am def. a meat eater! Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.

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