Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Hi All,Here is an interesting article on preparing for high food inflation and possible food shortages (the whole blog is interesting actually) - Issues of Food and Gardening .I was wondering what kind of gardening techniques people here used? Which ones would you recommend? There seems so many different ways to garden - sq. ft. gardening, lasagna gardening, sheet mulch gardening, the fukuoka farming method, even traditional back yard gardens. Tony HillNC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Tony,Where are you in NC? I'm right on the NC/SC boarder....in SC. Hubby works in Charlotte. We have horrible rock filled clay soil here. I would have to seriously amend the soil, and I basically gave up on that.......picking all those rocks out, some rather large, was not my idea of a good time. So I container garden and sq. ft. garden both. I use the soil mix recommended by Mel Bartholomew in his book Square Foot Gardening. I also compost, so my compost goes in the mix as well. I am no expert gardener and the past couple of years have been a learning experience in getting the gardening thing off the ground. I had bugs eat most of my crops the first couple of years, because I was trying to do everything organically. So I have had to educate myself in how to prevent as much bug damage as possible without resorting to pesticides. We are doing this to help with our food budget, and also because eating vegetables are just so healthy. Also I wanted to eat local as much as possible and there is nothing more local than ones back yard. So many reasons I guess.......the environment, our health, our budget. I have no great stores of food over here in either canning, dehydrating or any other form of preserving. Next year I am hoping to grow enough that I do have extra to dehydrate and store for the colder months. I've got my 9 tray dehydrator ready to go.I still have some things growing in my Garden this time of year too. I had never grown before this late in the season, but I'm realizing some things grow better this time of year......all a learning curve for me.Kelly zone7b--- On Tue, 10/27/09, iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill wrote:iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill[RFSL] Food & Gardening Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:04 PM Hi All,Here is an interesting article on preparing for high food inflation and possible food shortages (the whole blog is interesting actually) - Issues of Food and Gardening .I was wondering what kind of gardening techniques people here used? Which ones would you recommend? There seems so many different ways to garden - sq. ft. gardening, lasagna gardening, sheet mulch gardening, the fukuoka farming method, even traditional back yard gardens. Tony HillNC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Personally, I don't think there is one "right" gardening technique. I've gardened many different ways, and they all have their strengths and weaknesses. I think lasagna gardening is probably the closest to what I think of as "ideal." But in my backyard, I use raised beds, with a lot of purchased soil and a modified bottom watering system, and that works very well too. Different things work for different people, depending on where they must do their gardening. On the garden space we rent, the owners dumped tons of manure on the space for many years and left it to rot, so the resulting soil is the best i've ever seen in my life. Very little was needed to amend it. If it was needed, and I had the luxery to wait several seasons before gardening, I'd do a lasagna-style amendment of the land, and pile organic matter on it and let it rot over a long period of time. I've seen what happens when people create lasagna gardens over existing lawn, and then didn't wait long enough for the grass to decompose-resulting in a garden mess of grass and plants. But usually people want to start gardening right away, so more drastic actions must be taken to rid the area of grass <insert back-breaking labor digging.> As long as you use a lot of animal manure and organic matter in what ever system you choose, you'll build beautiful soil. Cyndi iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill Tue, Oct 27, 2009 12:04 pm [RFSL] Food & Gardening Hi All, Here is an interesting article on preparing for high food inflation and possible food shortages (the whole blog is interesting actually) - Issues of Food and Gardening . I was wondering what kind of gardening techniques people here used? Which ones would you recommend? There seems so many different ways to garden - sq. ft. gardening, lasagna gardening, sheet mulch gardening, the fukuoka farming method, even traditional back yard gardens. Tony Hill NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hey Kelly,I am just north of Charlotte, so not too far away from where you are at. I'm new to gardening also, this was my first year so I am just learning. The Modern Victory Movement blog I posted the article link to has a lot of good information. But I am feeling a little overwhelmed by all the different techniques, some of which are contradictory. The various raised bed and intensive gardening methods sound great, but then I read Steve Solomon's Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food In Hard Times and he is quite critical of those methods...Still, it is fun learning,Tony , Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 wrote:>> Tony,> Where are you in NC? I'm right on the NC/SC boarder....in SC. Hubby works in Charlotte. We have horrible rock filled clay soil here. I would have to seriously amend the soil, and I basically gave up on that.......picking all those rocks out, some rather large, was not my idea of a good time. So I container garden and sq. ft. garden both. I use the soil mix recommended by Mel Bartholomew in his book Square Foot Gardening. I also compost, so my compost goes in the mix as well. I am no expert gardener and the past couple of years have been a learning experience in getting the gardening thing off the ground. I had bugs eat most of my crops the first couple of years, because I was trying to do everything organically. So I have had to educate myself in how to prevent as much bug damage as possible without resorting to pesticides. > > We are doing this to help with our food budget, and also because eating vegetables are just so healthy. Also I wanted to eat local as much as possible and there is nothing more local than ones back yard. So many reasons I guess.......the environment, our health, our budget. I have no great stores of food over here in either canning, dehydrating or any other form of preserving. Next year I am hoping to grow enough that I do have extra to dehydrate and store for the colder months. I've got my 9 tray dehydrator ready to go.> > I still have some things growing in my Garden this time of year too. I had never grown before this late in the season, but I'm realizing some things grow better this time of year......all a learning curve for me.> > Kelly zone7b> > --- On Tue, 10/27/09, iamtonyhill iamtonyhill wrote:> > iamtonyhill iamtonyhill [RFSL] Food & Gardening> > Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:04 PM> > > > > > >  > > > > > > Hi All,> > Here is an interesting article on preparing for high food inflation and possible food shortages (the whole blog is interesting actually) - Issues of Food and Gardening .> > I was wondering what kind of gardening techniques people here used? Which ones would you recommend? There seems so many different ways to garden - sq. ft. gardening, lasagna gardening, sheet mulch gardening, the fukuoka farming method, even traditional back yard gardens. > > Tony Hill> NC> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hey - I'm in Columbia, SC. Not that you asked, just sharing since we're all near each other. Monique On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM, iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill wrote: > > > > Hey Kelly, > > I am just north of Charlotte, so not too far away from where you are at. I'm new to gardening also, this was my first year so I am just learning. > > Tony, > > Where are you in NC? I'm right on the NC/SC boarder....in SC. Hubby works in Charlotte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Is the article mentioned on that blog? Why is he critical of those methods? How is your soil? Sorry so many questions, LOL!Kelly--- On Wed, 10/28/09, iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill wrote:iamtonyhill <iamtonyhillRe: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:24 AM Hey Kelly,I am just north of Charlotte, so not too far away from where you are at. I'm new to gardening also, this was my first year so I am just learning. The Modern Victory Movement blog I posted the article link to has a lot of good information. But I am feeling a little overwhelmed by all the different techniques, some of which are contradictory. The various raised bed and intensive gardening methods sound great, but then I read Steve Solomon's Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food In Hard Times and he is quite critical of those methods...Still, it is fun learning,Tony, Kelly Weyd <kellmar98@.. .> wrote:>> Tony,> Where are you in NC? I'm right on the NC/SC boarder....in SC. Hubby works in Charlotte. We have horrible rock filled clay soil here. I would have to seriously amend the soil, and I basically gave up on that.......picking all those rocks out, some rather large, was not my idea of a good time. So I container garden and sq. ft. garden both. I use the soil mix recommended by Mel Bartholomew in his book Square Foot Gardening. I also compost, so my compost goes in the mix as well. I am no expert gardener and the past couple of years have been a learning experience in getting the gardening thing off the ground. I had bugs eat most of my crops the first couple of years, because I was trying to do everything organically. So I have had to educate myself in how to prevent as much bug damage as possible without resorting to pesticides. > > We are doing this to help with our food budget, and also because eating vegetables are just so healthy. Also I wanted to eat local as much as possible and there is nothing more local than ones back yard. So many reasons I guess....... the environment, our health, our budget. I have no great stores of food over here in either canning, dehydrating or any other form of preserving. Next year I am hoping to grow enough that I do have extra to dehydrate and store for the colder months. I've got my 9 tray dehydrator ready to go.> > I still have some things growing in my Garden this time of year too. I had never grown before this late in the season, but I'm realizing some things grow better this time of year......all a learning curve for me.> > Kelly zone7b> > --- On Tue, 10/27/09, iamtonyhill iamtonyhill@ ... wrote:> > iamtonyhill iamtonyhill@ ...> [RFSL] Food & Gardening> > Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:04 PM> > > > > > >  > > > > > > Hi All,> > Here is an interesting article on preparing for high food inflation and possible food shortages (the whole blog is interesting actually) - Issues of Food and Gardening .> > I was wondering what kind of gardening techniques people here used? Which ones would you recommend? There seems so many different ways to garden - sq. ft. gardening, lasagna gardening, sheet mulch gardening, the fukuoka farming method, even traditional back yard gardens. > > Tony Hill> NC> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hi Monique my neighbor in Columbia! I've never actually been to Columbia, but have driven through on my way to Myrtle Beach.Kelly--- On Wed, 10/28/09, Monique <motherof1 wrote:Monique <motherof1Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:33 AM Hey - I'm in Columbia, SC. Not that you asked, just sharing since we're all near each other. Monique On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM, iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > wrote: > > > > Hey Kelly, > > I am just north of Charlotte, so not too far away from where you are at. I'm new to gardening also, this was my first year so I am just learning. > > Tony, > > Where are you in NC? I'm right on the NC/SC boarder....in SC. Hubby works in Charlotte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 You can grow food just about any way. I wouldn't get too hung up over what the "experts" say. They can't possibly know every single persons individual growing condition, soil, weather, health, etc. The inportant thing is to TRY IT, and find what works best for you. And different vegetables will grow well in different conditions. My peppers in my raised beds did much better than the peppers I had in the ground this year, for some reason. But the tomatoes I had in the ground definitely were better than the ones in the raised beds. Cyndi Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:27 am Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Is the article mentioned on that blog? Why is he critical of those methods? How is your soil? Sorry so many questions, LOL! Kelly --- On Wed, 10/28/09, iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill > wrote: iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill > Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:24 AM Hey Kelly, I am just north of Charlotte, so not too far away from where you are at. I'm new to gardening also, this was my first year so I am just learning. The Modern Victory Movement blog I posted the article link to has a lot of good information. But I am feeling a little overwhelmed by all the different techniques, some of which are contradictory. The various raised bed and intensive gardening methods sound great, but then I read Steve Solomon's Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food In Hard Times and he is quite critical of those methods... Still, it is fun learning, , Kelly Weyd <kellmar98@.. .> wrote: > > Tony, > Where are you in NC? I'm right on the NC/SC boarder....in SC. Hubby works in Charlotte. We have horrible rock filled clay soil here. I would have to seriously amend the soil, and I basically gave up on that.......picking all those rocks out, some rather large, was not my idea of a good time. So I container garden and sq. ft. garden both. I use the soil mix recommended by Mel Bartholomew in his book Square Foot Gardening. I also compost, so my compost goes in the mix as well. I am no expert gardener and the past couple of years have been a learning experience in getting the gardening thing off the ground. I had bugs eat most of my crops the first couple of years, because I was trying to do everything organically. So I have had to educate myself in how to prevent as much bug damage as possible without resorting to pesticides. > > We are doing this to help with our food budget, and also because eating vegetables are just so healthy. Also I wanted to eat local as much as possible and there is nothing more local than ones back yard. So many reasons I guess....... the environment, our health, our budget. I have no great stores of food over here in either canning, dehydrating or any other form of preserving. Next year I am hoping to grow enough that I do have extra to dehydrate and store for the colder months. I've got my 9 tray dehydrator ready to go. > > I still have some things growing in my Garden this time of year too. I had never grown before this late in the season, but I'm realizing some things grow better this time of year......all a learning curve for me. > > Kelly zone7b > > --- On Tue, 10/27/09, iamtonyhill iamtonyhill@ ... wrote: > > iamtonyhill iamtonyhill@ ... > [RFSL] Food & Gardening > > Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:04 PM > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Hi All, > > Here is an interesting article on preparing for high food inflation and possible food shortages (the whole blog is interesting actually) - Issues of Food and Gardening . > > I was wondering what kind of gardening techniques people here used? Which ones would you recommend? There seems so many different ways to garden - sq. ft. gardening, lasagna gardening, sheet mulch gardening, the fukuoka farming method, even traditional back yard gardens. > > Tony Hill > NC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Cyndi,That is good advice. I have just had to do it. I've have problem after problem......mostly the bugs here in the south eating everything, but I just keep getting back up on the horse.......eventually it won't buck me anymore. I've got some beautiful lettuce, carrots, brocoli and a few other things still growing out there now......so it's taken me some time, but I'm having some successes, and getting it figured out. I've also had to play around with what vegy's grow best in pots, verses in my raised bed gardens.Kelly--- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall <cyndikrall wrote:cyndikrall <cyndikrallRe: [RFSL] Food & GardeningTo: Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:36 PM You can grow food just about any way. I wouldn't get too hung up over what the "experts" say. They can't possibly know every single persons individual growing condition, soil, weather, health, etc. The inportant thing is to TRY IT, and find what works best for you. And different vegetables will grow well in different conditions. My peppers in my raised beds did much better than the peppers I had in the ground this year, for some reason. But the tomatoes I had in the ground definitely were better than the ones in the raised beds. Cyndi Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 > Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:27 am Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Is the article mentioned on that blog? Why is he critical of those methods? How is your soil? Sorry so many questions, LOL! Kelly --- On Wed, 10/28/09, iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > wrote: iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:24 AM Hey Kelly, I am just north of Charlotte, so not too far away from where you are at. I'm new to gardening also, this was my first year so I am just learning. The Modern Victory Movement blog I posted the article link to has a lot of good information. But I am feeling a little overwhelmed by all the different techniques, some of which are contradictory. The various raised bed and intensive gardening methods sound great, but then I read Steve Solomon's Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food In Hard Times and he is quite critical of those methods... Still, it is fun learning, , Kelly Weyd <kellmar98@.. .> wrote: > > Tony, > Where are you in NC? I'm right on the NC/SC boarder....in SC. Hubby works in Charlotte. We have horrible rock filled clay soil here. I would have to seriously amend the soil, and I basically gave up on that.......picking all those rocks out, some rather large, was not my idea of a good time. So I container garden and sq. ft. garden both. I use the soil mix recommended by Mel Bartholomew in his book Square Foot Gardening. I also compost, so my compost goes in the mix as well. I am no expert gardener and the past couple of years have been a learning experience in getting the gardening thing off the ground. I had bugs eat most of my crops the first couple of years, because I was trying to do everything organically. So I have had to educate myself in how to prevent as much bug damage as possible without resorting to pesticides. > > We are doing this to help with our food budget, and also because eating vegetables are just so healthy. Also I wanted to eat local as much as possible and there is nothing more local than ones back yard. So many reasons I guess....... the environment, our health, our budget. I have no great stores of food over here in either canning, dehydrating or any other form of preserving. Next year I am hoping to grow enough that I do have extra to dehydrate and store for the colder months. I've got my 9 tray dehydrator ready to go. > > I still have some things growing in my Garden this time of year too. I had never grown before this late in the season, but I'm realizing some things grow better this time of year......all a learning curve for me. > > Kelly zone7b > > --- On Tue, 10/27/09, iamtonyhill iamtonyhill@ ... wrote: > > iamtonyhill iamtonyhill@ ... > [RFSL] Food & Gardening > > Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:04 PM > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Hi All, > > Here is an interesting article on preparing for high food inflation and possible food shortages (the whole blog is interesting actually) - Issues of Food and Gardening . > > I was wondering what kind of gardening techniques people here used? Which ones would you recommend? There seems so many different ways to garden - sq. ft. gardening, lasagna gardening, sheet mulch gardening, the fukuoka farming method, even traditional back yard gardens. > > Tony Hill > NC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Yep, when you garden organically, bugs are often the worst problem. You can do a lot for plant health with good soil management, but how do you keep bugs away? My answer has been to plant twice as much and hope for the best, lol. There are a few "organic" type of granular repellants you can sprinkle around, I think one is called Sluggo Plus, or something like that. I also found that when I started my green beans from seed into pots, and then transplanted the larger plants out, the bugs didn't decimate the tiny baby seedlings, as they did when I direct sowed into the ground. I haven't found anything to get rid of my mole/vole/pocket gopher problem (whatever they are.) There's just no way to get rid of all garden pests. I didn't have very good luck with growing veggies in pots, but some limited success. I do like my earth box, but I only have one. Cyndi Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:48 am Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Cyndi, That is good advice. I have just had to do it. I've have problem after problem......mostly the bugs here in the south eating everything, but I just keep getting back up on the horse.......eventually it won't buck me anymore. I've got some beautiful lettuce, carrots, brocoli and a few other things still growing out there now......so it's taken me some time, but I'm having some successes, and getting it figured out. I've also had to play around with what vegy's grow best in pots, verses in my raised bed gardens. Kelly --- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:36 PM You can grow food just about any way. I wouldn't get too hung up over what the "experts" say. They can't possibly know every single persons individual growing condition, soil, weather, health, etc. The inportant thing is to TRY IT, and find what works best for you. And different vegetables will grow well in different conditions. My peppers in my raised beds did much better than the peppers I had in the ground this year, for some reason. But the tomatoes I had in the ground definitely were better than the ones in the raised beds. Cyndi Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 > Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:27 am Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Is the article mentioned on that blog? Why is he critical of those methods? How is your soil? Sorry so many questions, LOL! Kelly --- On Wed, 10/28/09, iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > wrote: iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:24 AM Hey Kelly, I am just north of Charlotte, so not too far away from where you are at. I'm new to gardening also, this was my first year so I am just learning. The Modern Victory Movement blog I posted the article link to has a lot of good information. But I am feeling a little overwhelmed by all the different techniques, some of which are contradictory. The various raised bed and intensive gardening methods sound great, but then I read Steve Solomon's Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food In Hard Times and he is quite critical of those methods... Still, it is fun learning, , Kelly Weyd <kellmar98@.. .> wrote: > > Tony, > Where are you in NC? I'm right on the NC/SC boarder....in SC. Hubby works in Charlotte. We have horrible rock filled clay soil here. I would have to seriously amend the soil, and I basically gave up on that.......picking all those rocks out, some rather large, was not my idea of a good time. So I container garden and sq. ft. garden both. I use the soil mix recommended by Mel Bartholomew in his book Square Foot Gardening. I also compost, so my compost goes in the mix as well. I am no expert gardener and the past couple of years have been a learning experience in getting the gardening thing off the ground. I had bugs eat most of my crops the first couple of years, because I was trying to do everything organically. So I have had to educate myself in how to prevent as much bug damage as possible without resorting to pesticides. > > We are doing this to help with our food budget, and also because eating vegetables are just so healthy. Also I wanted to eat local as much as possible and there is nothing more local than ones back yard. So many reasons I guess....... the environment, our health, our budget. I have no great stores of food over here in either canning, dehydrating or any other form of preserving. Next year I am hoping to grow enough that I do have extra to dehydrate and store for the colder months. I've got my 9 tray dehydrator ready to go. > > I still have some things growing in my Garden this time of year too. I had never grown before this late in the season, but I'm realizing some things grow better this time of year......all a learning curve for me. > > Kelly zone7b > > --- On Tue, 10/27/09, iamtonyhill iamtonyhill@ ... wrote: > > iamtonyhill iamtonyhill@ ... > [RFSL] Food & Gardening > > Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:04 PM > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Hi All, > > Here is an interesting article on preparing for high food inflation and possible food shortages (the whole blog is interesting actually) - Issues of Food and Gardening . > > I was wondering what kind of gardening techniques people here used? Which ones would you recommend? There seems so many different ways to garden - sq. ft. gardening, lasagna gardening, sheet mulch gardening, the fukuoka farming method, even traditional back yard gardens. > > Tony Hill > NC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 I think I am going to get the sluggo stuff next year. I finally figured out this year that castile soap, a little hot sauce, maybe a little garlic, and some vegetable oil in a spray bottle of water gets rid of a lot of bugs. I only spray on the bugs directly though. Also next year I think I will order some beneficial bugs for the garden.......I've already got lots of lady bugs and lizards that are good little bad bug eaters. Praying Mantis Bugs Welcome Here!!! But yes, it's about experimenting to figure it all out. Kelly--- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall <cyndikrall wrote:cyndikrall <cyndikrallRe: [RFSL] Food & GardeningTo: Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 1:31 PM Yep, when you garden organically, bugs are often the worst problem. You can do a lot for plant health with good soil management, but how do you keep bugs away? My answer has been to plant twice as much and hope for the best, lol. There are a few "organic" type of granular repellants you can sprinkle around, I think one is called Sluggo Plus, or something like that. I also found that when I started my green beans from seed into pots, and then transplanted the larger plants out, the bugs didn't decimate the tiny baby seedlings, as they did when I direct sowed into the ground. I haven't found anything to get rid of my mole/vole/pocket gopher problem (whatever they are.) There's just no way to get rid of all garden pests. I didn't have very good luck with growing veggies in pots, but some limited success. I do like my earth box, but I only have one. Cyndi Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 > Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:48 am Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Cyndi, That is good advice. I have just had to do it. I've have problem after problem..... .mostly the bugs here in the south eating everything, but I just keep getting back up on the horse....... eventually it won't buck me anymore. I've got some beautiful lettuce, carrots, brocoli and a few other things still growing out there now......so it's taken me some time, but I'm having some successes, and getting it figured out. I've also had to play around with what vegy's grow best in pots, verses in my raised bed gardens. Kelly --- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:36 PM You can grow food just about any way. I wouldn't get too hung up over what the "experts" say. They can't possibly know every single persons individual growing condition, soil, weather, health, etc. The inportant thing is to TRY IT, and find what works best for you. And different vegetables will grow well in different conditions. My peppers in my raised beds did much better than the peppers I had in the ground this year, for some reason. But the tomatoes I had in the ground definitely were better than the ones in the raised beds. Cyndi Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 > Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:27 am Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Is the article mentioned on that blog? Why is he critical of those methods? How is your soil? Sorry so many questions, LOL! Kelly --- On Wed, 10/28/09, iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > wrote: iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:24 AM Hey Kelly, I am just north of Charlotte, so not too far away from where you are at. I'm new to gardening also, this was my first year so I am just learning. The Modern Victory Movement blog I posted the article link to has a lot of good information. But I am feeling a little overwhelmed by all the different techniques, some of which are contradictory. The various raised bed and intensive gardening methods sound great, but then I read Steve Solomon's Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food In Hard Times and he is quite critical of those methods... Still, it is fun learning, , Kelly Weyd <kellmar98@.. .> wrote: > > Tony, > Where are you in NC? I'm right on the NC/SC boarder....in SC. Hubby works in Charlotte. We have horrible rock filled clay soil here. I would have to seriously amend the soil, and I basically gave up on that.......picking all those rocks out, some rather large, was not my idea of a good time. So I container garden and sq. ft. garden both. I use the soil mix recommended by Mel Bartholomew in his book Square Foot Gardening. I also compost, so my compost goes in the mix as well. I am no expert gardener and the past couple of years have been a learning experience in getting the gardening thing off the ground. I had bugs eat most of my crops the first couple of years, because I was trying to do everything organically. So I have had to educate myself in how to prevent as much bug damage as possible without resorting to pesticides. > > We are doing this to help with our food budget, and also because eating vegetables are just so healthy. Also I wanted to eat local as much as possible and there is nothing more local than ones back yard. So many reasons I guess....... the environment, our health, our budget. I have no great stores of food over here in either canning, dehydrating or any other form of preserving. Next year I am hoping to grow enough that I do have extra to dehydrate and store for the colder months. I've got my 9 tray dehydrator ready to go. > > I still have some things growing in my Garden this time of year too. I had never grown before this late in the season, but I'm realizing some things grow better this time of year......all a learning curve for me. > > Kelly zone7b > > --- On Tue, 10/27/09, iamtonyhill iamtonyhill@ ... wrote: > > iamtonyhill iamtonyhill@ ... > [RFSL] Food & Gardening > > Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:04 PM > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Hi All, > > Here is an interesting article on preparing for high food inflation and possible food shortages (the whole blog is interesting actually) - Issues of Food and Gardening . > > I was wondering what kind of gardening techniques people here used? Which ones would you recommend? There seems so many different ways to garden - sq. ft. gardening, lasagna gardening, sheet mulch gardening, the fukuoka farming method, even traditional back yard gardens. > > Tony Hill > NC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I saw more baby Praying Mantis this year than any other that i can remember. Very cool! One got into the house and I had to chase it down with three cats hot on its trail lol. I've tried the hot sauce spray on plants (useless) but I haven't tried it directly on the bugs. I'll have to remember that for next year! Cyndi Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:16 am Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening I think I am going to get the sluggo stuff next year. I finally figured out this year that castile soap, a little hot sauce, maybe a little garlic, and some vegetable oil in a spray bottle of water gets rid of a lot of bugs. I only spray on the bugs directly though. Also next year I think I will order some beneficial bugs for the garden.......I've already got lots of lady bugs and lizards that are good little bad bug eaters. Praying Mantis Bugs Welcome Here!!! But yes, it's about experimenting to figure it all out. Kelly --- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Saturday, October 31, 2009, 1:31 PM Yep, when you garden organically, bugs are often the worst problem. You can do a lot for plant health with good soil management, but how do you keep bugs away? My answer has been to plant twice as much and hope for the best, lol. There are a few "organic" type of granular repellants you can sprinkle around, I think one is called Sluggo Plus, or something like that. I also found that when I started my green beans from seed into pots, and then transplanted the larger plants out, the bugs didn't decimate the tiny baby seedlings, as they did when I direct sowed into the ground. I haven't found anything to get rid of my mole/vole/pocket gopher problem (whatever they are.) There's just no way to get rid of all garden pests. I didn't have very good luck with growing veggies in pots, but some limited success. I do like my earth box, but I only have one. Cyndi Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 > Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:48 am Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Cyndi, That is good advice. I have just had to do it. I've have problem after problem..... .mostly the bugs here in the south eating everything, but I just keep getting back up on the horse....... eventually it won't buck me anymore. I've got some beautiful lettuce, carrots, brocoli and a few other things still growing out there now......so it's taken me some time, but I'm having some successes, and getting it figured out. I've also had to play around with what vegy's grow best in pots, verses in my raised bed gardens. Kelly --- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:36 PM You can grow food just about any way. I wouldn't get too hung up over what the "experts" say. They can't possibly know every single persons individual growing condition, soil, weather, health, etc. The inportant thing is to TRY IT, and find what works best for you. And different vegetables will grow well in different conditions. My peppers in my raised beds did much better than the peppers I had in the ground this year, for some reason. But the tomatoes I had in the ground definitely were better than the ones in the raised beds. Cyndi Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 > Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:27 am Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Is the article mentioned on that blog? Why is he critical of those methods? How is your soil? Sorry so many questions, LOL! Kelly --- On Wed, 10/28/09, iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > wrote: iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:24 AM Hey Kelly, I am just north of Charlotte, so not too far away from where you are at. I'm new to gardening also, this was my first year so I am just learning. The Modern Victory Movement blog I posted the article link to has a lot of good information. But I am feeling a little overwhelmed by all the different techniques, some of which are contradictory. The various raised bed and intensive gardening methods sound great, but then I read Steve Solomon's Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food In Hard Times and he is quite critical of those methods... Still, it is fun learning, , Kelly Weyd <kellmar98@.. .> wrote: > > Tony, > Where are you in NC? I'm right on the NC/SC boarder....in SC. Hubby works in Charlotte. We have horrible rock filled clay soil here. I would have to seriously amend the soil, and I basically gave up on that.......picking all those rocks out, some rather large, was not my idea of a good time. So I container garden and sq. ft. garden both. I use the soil mix recommended by Mel Bartholomew in his book Square Foot Gardening. I also compost, so my compost goes in the mix as well. I am no expert gardener and the past couple of years have been a learning experience in getting the gardening thing off the ground. I had bugs eat most of my crops the first couple of years, because I was trying to do everything organically. So I have had to educate myself in how to prevent as much bug damage as possible without resorting to pesticides. > > We are doing this to help with our food budget, and also because eating vegetables are just so healthy. Also I wanted to eat local as much as possible and there is nothing more local than ones back yard. So many reasons I guess....... the environment, our health, our budget. I have no great stores of food over here in either canning, dehydrating or any other form of preserving. Next year I am hoping to grow enough that I do have extra to dehydrate and store for the colder months. I've got my 9 tray dehydrator ready to go. > > I still have some things growing in my Garden this time of year too. I had never grown before this late in the season, but I'm realizing some things grow better this time of year......all a learning curve for me. > > Kelly zone7b > > --- On Tue, 10/27/09, iamtonyhill iamtonyhill@ ... wrote: > > iamtonyhill iamtonyhill@ ... > [RFSL] Food & Gardening > > Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:04 PM > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Hi All, > > Here is an interesting article on preparing for high food inflation and possible food shortages (the whole blog is interesting actually) - Issues of Food and Gardening . > > I was wondering what kind of gardening techniques people here used? Which ones would you recommend? There seems so many different ways to garden - sq. ft. gardening, lasagna gardening, sheet mulch gardening, the fukuoka farming method, even traditional back yard gardens. > > Tony Hill > NC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I've read there are organic castor oil products that work on the mole/vole/etc. problem. It hasn't been too much of a problem for us. Maybe because we had wild cats in the woods. Deer are my big problem. They come all the way up to the house eat all my water lilies spill them into the pond. They eat a lot of other things too. You should see my "bonzai azalea". I'm thinking I read something not so great about that sluggo stuff years ago. If you crush egg shells put them around a lot of critters won't get to them. Slugs don't like copper won't cross it. Both worked better than the beer in bottles for me. I'm also thinking of trying that cucumber peels idea.There was a good article in organic gardening recently (Oct?) on container gardening including varities ideas. One was using 5 gal olive oil cans-looked good. I have something I think is hibiscus sawfly that skelatonizes my hibiscus. Any ideas? It's a little green worm. Lara <> >Kelly Weyd [kellmar98] >10/31/2009 1:16:57 PM > >Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening > > >I think I am going to get the sluggo stuff next year. I finally figured out >this year that castile soap, a little hot sauce, maybe a little garlic, and some >vegetable oil in a spray bottle of water gets rid of a lot of bugs. I only >spray on the bugs directly though. Also next year I think I will order some >beneficial bugs for the garden.......I've already got lots of lady bugs and >lizards that are good little bad bug eaters. Praying Mantis Bugs Welcome >Here!!! But yes, it's about experimenting to figure it all out. >Kelly > >--- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall <cyndikrall wrote: > > >cyndikrall <cyndikrall >Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening > >Saturday, October 31, 2009, 1:31 PM > > > >Yep, when you garden organically, bugs are often the worst problem. You can do a >lot for plant health with good soil management, but how do you keep bugs away? >My answer has been to plant twice as much and hope for the best, lol. There are >a few "organic" type of granular repellants you can sprinkle around, I think one >is called Sluggo Plus, or something like that. I also found that when I started >my green beans from seed into pots, and then transplanted the larger plants out, >the bugs didn't decimate the tiny baby seedlings, as they did when I direct >sowed into the ground. > >I haven't found anything to get rid of my mole/vole/pocket gopher problem >(whatever they are.) There's just no way to get rid of all garden pests.. > >I didn't have very good luck with growing veggies in pots, but some limited >success. I do like my earth box, but I only have one. > >Cyndi > > > >Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 > > >Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:48 am >Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening > > > > >Cyndi, >That is good advice. I have just had to do it. I've have problem after >problem..... .mostly the bugs here in the south eating everything, but I just >keep getting back up on the horse....... eventually it won't buck me anymore. >I've got some beautiful lettuce, carrots, brocoli and a few other things still >growing out there now......so it's taken me some time, but I'm having some >successes, and getting it figured out. I've also had to play around with what >vegy's grow best in pots, verses in my raised bed gardens. >Kelly > >--- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: > > >cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> >Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening > >Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:36 PM > > > >You can grow food just about any way. I wouldn't get too hung up over what the >"experts" say. They can't possibly know every single persons individual growing >condition, soil, weather, health, etc. The inportant thing is to TRY IT, and >find what works best for you. And different vegetables will grow well in >different conditions. My peppers in my raised beds did much better than the >peppers I had in the ground this year, for some reason. But the tomatoes I had >in the ground definitely were better than the ones in the raised beds. > >Cyndi > > > >Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 > > >Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:27 am >Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening > > > > >Is the article mentioned on that blog? Why is he critical of those methods? >How is your soil? Sorry so many questions, LOL! >Kelly > >--- On Wed, 10/28/09, iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > wrote: > > >iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > >Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening > >Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:24 AM > > > >Hey Kelly, > >I am just north of Charlotte, so not too far away from where you are at. I'm >new to gardening also, this was my first year so I am just learning.. The >Modern Victory Movement blog I posted the article link to has a lot of good >information. But I am feeling a little overwhelmed by all the different >techniques, some of which are contradictory. The various raised bed and >intensive gardening methods sound great, but then I read Steve Solomon's >Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food In Hard Times and he is quite critical of >those methods... > >Still, it is fun learning, > >> >, Kelly Weyd <kellmar98@.. .> wrote: >> >> Tony, >> Where are you in NC? I'm right on the NC/SC boarder....in SC. >Hubby works in Charlotte. We have horrible rock filled clay soil >here. I would have to seriously amend the soil, and I basically gave up on >that.......picking all those rocks out, some rather large, was not my idea of a >good time. So I container garden and sq. ft.. garden both. I use the >soil mix recommended by Mel Bartholomew in his book Square Foot Gardening. > I also compost, so my compost goes in the mix as well. I am no expert >gardener and the past couple of years have been a learning experience in getting >the gardening thing off the ground. I had bugs eat most of my crops the >first couple of years, because I was trying to do everything organically. >So I have had to educate myself in how to prevent as much bug damage as possible >without resorting to pesticides. >> >> We are doing this to help with our food budget, and also because eating >vegetables are just so healthy. Also I wanted to e > >=== message truncated === http://toolbar.Care2.com Make your computer carbon-neutral (free).http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 8 million members! 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Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 For Deer save the hair from getting your cut and spread it around where you don’t want the deer to go. It does work! Good luck! Cathy On Behalf Of Lara Brown Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:09 AM Re: [RFSL] Food & Gardening I've read there are organic castor oil products that work on the mole/vole/etc. problem. It hasn't been too much of a problem for us. Maybe because we had wild cats in the woods. Deer are my big problem. They come all the way up to the house eat all my water lilies spill them into the pond. They eat a lot of other things too. You should see my " bonzai azalea " . I'm thinking I read something not so great about that sluggo stuff years ago. If you crush egg shells put them around a lot of critters won't get to them. Slugs don't like copper won't cross it. Both worked better than the beer in bottles for me. I'm also thinking of trying that cucumber peels idea.There was a good article in organic gardening recently (Oct?) on container gardening including varities ideas. One was using 5 gal olive oil cans-looked good. I have something I think is hibiscus sawfly that skelatonizes my hibiscus. Any ideas? It's a little green worm. Lara <> >Kelly Weyd [kellmar98] >10/31/2009 1:16:57 PM > >Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening > > >I think I am going to get the sluggo stuff next year. I finally figured out >this year that castile soap, a little hot sauce, maybe a little garlic, and some >vegetable oil in a spray bottle of water gets rid of a lot of bugs. I only >spray on the bugs directly though. Also next year I think I will order some >beneficial bugs for the garden.......I've already got lots of lady bugs and >lizards that are good little bad bug eaters. Praying Mantis Bugs Welcome >Here!!! But yes, it's about experimenting to figure it all out. >Kelly > >--- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall <cyndikrall wrote: > > >cyndikrall <cyndikrall >Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening > >Saturday, October 31, 2009, 1:31 PM > > > >Yep, when you garden organically, bugs are often the worst problem. You can do a >lot for plant health with good soil management, but how do you keep bugs away? >My answer has been to plant twice as much and hope for the best, lol. There are >a few " organic " type of granular repellants you can sprinkle around, I think one >is called Sluggo Plus, or something like that. I also found that when I started >my green beans from seed into pots, and then transplanted the larger plants out, >the bugs didn't decimate the tiny baby seedlings, as they did when I direct >sowed into the ground. > >I haven't found anything to get rid of my mole/vole/pocket gopher problem >(whatever they are.) There's just no way to get rid of all garden pests.. > >I didn't have very good luck with growing veggies in pots, but some limited >success. I do like my earth box, but I only have one. > >Cyndi > > > >Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 > > >Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:48 am >Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening > > > > >Cyndi, >That is good advice. I have just had to do it. I've have problem after >problem..... .mostly the bugs here in the south eating everything, but I just >keep getting back up on the horse....... eventually it won't buck me anymore. >I've got some beautiful lettuce, carrots, brocoli and a few other things still >growing out there now......so it's taken me some time, but I'm having some >successes, and getting it figured out. I've also had to play around with what >vegy's grow best in pots, verses in my raised bed gardens. >Kelly > >--- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: > > >cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> >Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening > >Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:36 PM > > > >You can grow food just about any way. I wouldn't get too hung up over what the > " experts " say. They can't possibly know every single persons individual growing >condition, soil, weather, health, etc. The inportant thing is to TRY IT, and >find what works best for you. And different vegetables will grow well in >different conditions. My peppers in my raised beds did much better than the >peppers I had in the ground this year, for some reason. But the tomatoes I had >in the ground definitely were better than the ones in the raised beds. > >Cyndi > > > >Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 > > >Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:27 am >Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening > > > > >Is the article mentioned on that blog? Why is he critical of those methods? >How is your soil? Sorry so many questions, LOL! >Kelly > >--- On Wed, 10/28/09, iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > wrote: > > >iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > >Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening > >Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:24 AM > > > >Hey Kelly, > >I am just north of Charlotte, so not too far away from where you are at. I'm >new to gardening also, this was my first year so I am just learning.. The >Modern Victory Movement blog I posted the article link to has a lot of good >information. But I am feeling a little overwhelmed by all the different >techniques, some of which are contradictory. The various raised bed and >intensive gardening methods sound great, but then I read Steve Solomon's >Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food In Hard Times and he is quite critical of >those methods... > >Still, it is fun learning, > >> >, Kelly Weyd <kellmar98@.. ..> wrote: >> >> Tony, >> Where are you in NC? I'm right on the NC/SC boarder....in SC. >Hubby works in Charlotte. We have horrible rock filled clay soil >here. I would have to seriously amend the soil, and I basically gave up on >that.......picking all those rocks out, some rather large, was not my idea of a >good time. So I container garden and sq. ft.. garden both. I use the >soil mix recommended by Mel Bartholomew in his book Square Foot Gardening. > I also compost, so my compost goes in the mix as well. I am no expert >gardener and the past couple of years have been a learning experience in getting >the gardening thing off the ground. I had bugs eat most of my crops the >first couple of years, because I was trying to do everything organically. >So I have had to educate myself in how to prevent as much bug damage as possible >without resorting to pesticides. >> >> We are doing this to help with our food budget, and also because eating >vegetables are just so healthy. Also I wanted to e > >=== message truncated === http://toolbar.Care2.com Make your computer carbon-neutral (free). http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 8 million members! 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Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I had heard that didn't work but I need a haircut anyway. I'll try it. I wonder if dog hair would work better? But so many dogs have that systemic poison. I could take a few handfuls that are floating around try:) I use a natural spray on the asiatic lillies etc, but don't want to spray anything by the pond that may hurt the frog. Thanks, Lara <> >Cathy Leonard Cox [cathy] >11/2/2009 9:37:55 AM > >RE: [RFSL] Food Gardening > > For Deer save the hair from getting your cut and spread it around where you >don’t want the deer to go. It does work! > >Good luck! > >Cathy > > > On Behalf Of Lara Brown >Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:09 AM > >Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening > > >I've read there are organic castor oil products that work on the mole/vole/etc. >problem. It hasn't been too much of a problem for us. Maybe because we had wild >cats in the woods. Deer are my big problem. They come all the way up to the >house eat all my water lilies spill them into the pond. They eat a lot of other >things too. You should see my "bonzai azalea". I'm thinking I read something not >so great about that sluggo stuff years ago. If you crush egg shells put them >around a lot of critters won't get to them. Slugs don't like copper won't cross >it. Both worked better than the beer in bottles for me. I'm also thinking of >trying that cucumber peels idea.There was a good article in organic gardening >recently (Oct?) on container gardening including varities ideas. One was using 5 >gal olive oil cans-looked good. I have something I think is hibiscus sawfly that >skelatonizes my hibiscus. Any ideas? It's a little green worm. > >Lara ><> >>Kelly Weyd [kellmar98] >>10/31/2009 1:16:57 PM >> >>Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening >> >> >>I think I am going to get the sluggo stuff next year. I finally figured out >>this year that castile soap, a little hot sauce, maybe a little garlic, and some >>vegetable oil in a spray bottle of water gets rid of a lot of bugs. I only >>spray on the bugs directly though. Also next year I think I will order some >>beneficial bugs for the garden.......I've already got lots of lady bugs and >>lizards that are good little bad bug eaters. Praying Mantis Bugs Welcome >>Here!!! But yes, it's about experimenting to figure it all out. >>Kelly >> >>--- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall <cyndikrall wrote: >> >> >>cyndikrall <cyndikrall >>Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening >> >>Saturday, October 31, 2009, 1:31 PM >> >> >> >>Yep, when you garden organically, bugs are often the worst problem. You can do a >>lot for plant health with good soil management, but how do you keep bugs away? >>My answer has been to plant twice as much and hope for the best, lol. There are >>a few "organic" type of granular repellants you can sprinkle around, I think one >>is called Sluggo Plus, or something like that. I also found that when I started >>my green beans from seed into pots, and then transplanted the larger plants out, >>the bugs didn't decimate the tiny baby seedlings, as they did when I direct >>sowed into the ground. >> >>I haven't found anything to get rid of my mole/vole/pocket gopher problem >>(whatever they are.) There's just no way to get rid of all garden pests... >> >>I didn't have very good luck with growing veggies in pots, but some limited >>success. I do like my earth box, but I only have one. >> >>Cyndi >> >> >> >>Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 > >> >>Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:48 am >>Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening >> >> >> >> >>Cyndi, >>That is good advice. I have just had to do it. I've have problem after >>problem..... .mostly the bugs here in the south eating everything, but I just >>keep getting back up on the horse....... eventually it won't buck me anymore. >>I've got some beautiful lettuce, carrots, brocoli and a few other things still >>growing out there now......so it's taken me some time, but I'm having some >>successes, and getting it figured out. I've also had to play around with what >>vegy's grow best in pots, verses in my raised bed gardens. >>Kelly >> >>--- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: >> >> >>cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> >>Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening >> >>Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:36 PM >> >> >> >>You can grow food just about any way. I wouldn't get too hung up over what the >>"experts" say. They can't possibly know every single persons individual growing >>condition, soil, weather, health, etc. The inportant thing is to TRY IT, and >>find what works best for you. And different vegetables will grow well in >>different conditions. My peppers in my raised beds did much better than the >>peppers I had in the ground this year, for some reason. But the tomatoes I had >>in the ground definitely were better than the ones in the raised beds. >> >>Cyndi >> >> >> >>Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 > >> >>Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:27 am >>Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening >> >> >> >> >>Is the article mentioned on that blog? Why is he critical of those methods? >>How is your soil? Sorry so many questions, LOL! >>Kelly >> >>--- On Wed, 10/28/09, iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > wrote: >> >> >>iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > >>Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening >> >>Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:24 AM >> >> >> >>Hey Kelly, >> >>I am just north of Charlotte, so not too far away from where you are at.. I'm >>new to gardening also, this was my first year so I am just learning.. The >>Modern Victory Movement blog I posted the article link to has a lot of good > >=== message truncated === http://toolbar.Care2.com Make your computer carbon-neutral (free).http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 8 million members! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 For deer: We live in West Michigan I take 4 eggs, 3 cups water, 2 TBS chili powder, 2 TBS garlic powder (I buy the cheap stuff at the dollar store) and put all in my blender for a minute. I then put it in a spray bottle and spray on my plants every few weeks, or more often if it rains. This has been the only thing I have found to keep the deer from eating my hostas. --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Lara Brown <larabrown wrote: Lara Brown <larabrownRE: [RFSL] Food & Gardening Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 10:31 AM I had heard that didn't work but I need a haircut anyway. I'll try it. I wonder if dog hair would work better? But so many dogs have that systemic poison. I could take a few handfuls that are floating around try:) I use a natural spray on the asiatic lillies etc, but don't want to spray anything by the pond that may hurt the frog.Thanks,Lara<> >Cathy Leonard Cox [cathy@coxfamilyfar m.com]>11/2/2009 9:37:55 AM>>RE: [RFSL] Food Gardening>> For Deer save the hair from getting your cut and spread it around where you>don’t want the deer to go. It does work!> >Good luck!> >Cathy> >>[RealFoodSim pleLife@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Lara Brown>Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:09 AM>>Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening> > >I've read there are organic castor oil products that work on the mole/vole/etc.>problem. It hasn't been too much of a problem for us. Maybe because we had wild>cats in the woods. Deer are my big problem. They come all the way up to the>house eat all my water lilies spill them into the pond. They eat a lot of other>things too. You should see my "bonzai azalea". I'm thinking I read something not>so great about that sluggo stuff years ago. If you crush egg shells put them>around a lot of critters won't get to them. Slugs don't like copper won't cross>it. Both worked better than the beer in bottles for me. I'm also thinking of>trying that cucumber peels idea.There was a good article in organic gardening>recently (Oct?) on container gardening including varities ideas. One was using 5>gal olive oil cans-looked good. I have something I think is hibiscus sawfly that>skelatonizes my hibiscus. Any ideas? It's a little green worm.>>Lara><> >>Kelly Weyd [kellmar98 ]>>10/31/2009 1:16:57 PM>>>>Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening>>>> >>I think I am going to get the sluggo stuff next year. I finally figured out>>this year that castile soap, a little hot sauce, maybe a little garlic, and some>>vegetable oil in a spray bottle of water gets rid of a lot of bugs. I only>>spray on the bugs directly though. Also next year I think I will order some>>beneficial bugs for the garden...... .I've already got lots of lady bugs and>>lizards that are good little bad bug eaters. Praying Mantis Bugs Welcome>>Here!!! But yes, it's about experimenting to figure it all out. >>Kelly>>>>--- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:>>>>>>cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com>>>Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening>>>>Saturday, October 31, 2009, 1:31 PM>>>>>> >>Yep, when you garden organically, bugs are often the worst problem. You can do a>>lot for plant health with good soil management, but how do you keep bugs away?>>My answer has been to plant twice as much and hope for the best, lol. There are>>a few "organic" type of granular repellants you can sprinkle around, I think one>>is called Sluggo Plus, or something like that. I also found that when I started>>my green beans from seed into pots, and then transplanted the larger plants out,>>the bugs didn't decimate the tiny baby seedlings, as they did when I direct>>sowed into the ground. >> >>I haven't found anything to get rid of my mole/vole/pocket gopher problem>>(whatever they are.) There's just no way to get rid of all garden pests... >> >>I didn't have very good luck with growing veggies in pots, but some limited>>success. I do like my earth box, but I only have one. >>>>Cyndi>>>>>>>>Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 >>>>>Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:48 am>>Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening>>>>>> >>>>Cyndi,>>That is good advice. I have just had to do it. I've have problem after>>problem..... .mostly the bugs here in the south eating everything, but I just>>keep getting back up on the horse....... eventually it won't buck me anymore. >>I've got some beautiful lettuce, carrots, brocoli and a few other things still>>growing out there now......so it's taken me some time, but I'm having some>>successes, and getting it figured out. I've also had to play around with what>>vegy's grow best in pots, verses in my raised bed gardens.>>Kelly>>>>--- On Sat, 10/31/09, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:>>>>>>cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com>>>Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening>>>>Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:36 PM>>>>>> >>You can grow food just about any way. I wouldn't get too hung up over what the>>"experts" say. They can't possibly know every single persons individual growing>>condition, soil, weather, health, etc. The inportant thing is to TRY IT, and>>find what works best for you. And different vegetables will grow well in>>different conditions. My peppers in my raised beds did much better than the>>peppers I had in the ground this year, for some reason. But the tomatoes I had>>in the ground definitely were better than the ones in the raised beds. >> >>Cyndi>>>>>>>>Kelly Weyd <kellmar98 >>>>>Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:27 am>>Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening>>>>>> >>>>Is the article mentioned on that blog? Why is he critical of those methods? >>How is your soil? Sorry so many questions, LOL!>>Kelly>>>>--- On Wed, 10/28/09, iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ > wrote:>>>>>>iamtonyhill <iamtonyhill@ >>>Re: [RFSL] Food Gardening>>>>Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:24 AM>>>>>> >>Hey Kelly,>>>>I am just north of Charlotte, so not too far away from where you are at.. I'm>>new to gardening also, this was my first year so I am just learning.. The>>Modern Victory Movement blog I posted the article link to has a lot of good>>=== message truncated === http://toolbar. 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