Nutrients to Prevent Bone Loss

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How much calcium is too much? I am concerned because I take 12 g of

Ester C a day for joint inflammation. (The result has been

fantastic.) But that dose contains 1200 mg of calcium.

 

Catherine

 

, " JoAnn Guest "

<angelprincessjo> wrote:

 

 

 

> Nutrients to Prevent Bone Loss

>

>

> If you take in too much calcium,you will find that your body

doesn't

> use vitamin D correctly.

>

>

[Guest guest]

, " ucccathy "

<ucccathy> wrote:

> How much calcium is too much? I am concerned because I take 12 g

of Ester C a day for joint inflammation. (The result has been

> fantastic.) But that dose contains 1200 mg of calcium.

> Catherine

 

, " JoAnn Guest "

<angelprincessjo> wrote:

> Nutrients to Prevent Bone Loss

> If you take in too much calcium,you will find that your body

doesn't use vitamin D correctly.

 

 

Hi Cathy!

 

The best rule of thumb I believe is to be sure that your calcium is

offset with much larger amounts of magnesium and sufficient

potassium from your diet (potassium supplements can only be taken at

doses of 99 mgs according to the FDA).In my opinion it isn't really

advisable to take it (calcium & mag) together because minerals may

compete with each other.

 

I'm so glad to hear that the Ester C has been helping you! That is

fantastic. Although I'm not aware of all that you are dealing with

at the moment I'm sure that sufficient doses of magnesium will help.

Magnesium is a cofactor for many enzymes and without a good dose of

magnesium the heart and cardiovascular system does not function up

to

par. Magnesium is just a good all around tonic and the minimal

amounts that are present in most supplements just doesn't even start

to meet the body's requirements. More green organic fruits and

veggies also help you meet your quota for the day. I take up to

1,200 of magnesium (in divided doses) on occasion and even more if

the need arises.

 

The so called benefits of calcium supplements are extremely

overhyped by orthodox medicine as a rule. It is the most

overprescribed dietary supplement and the effects aren't that well

known to the average person, so everyone, esp. women keep taking it

in large amounts when in my opinion, all thats really needed is in

our foods. If you eat a whole foods diet high in veggies and fruits,

I believe you get sufficient calcium unless you also eat an

overabundance of Dairy (high in phosphorus) as well.

 

Everybody worries about getting sufficient calcium when in my

opinion we can derive enough calcium from our foods when we eat the

proper green foods diet, and apparently its the balance of other

nutrients that accompany it that determines whether it is properly

absorbed.

When there's an imbalance or an overacidic condition the body in its

wisdom takes calcium from our bones.

 

When too much phosphorus exists (as in a diet high in Dairy and

other phosphorus containing foods) the resulting overabundance of

phosphorus takes calcium from the bones to neutralize the resulting

acidity, even if

they really need it at the time. This is also true of

arachadonic acid, uric acid, methionine and other acids which are

present in Dairy foods and most meat (especially inorganic red

meats).

 

When we become too acidic, calcium ends up in our bloodstream,

kidneys and other odd places and may cause hypercalcemia as well.

The doctors have another drug for this too. After they prescribe

overly amounts of calcium, then we are offered a drug for it. Very

ironic! We must be aware of this so we can protect ourselves from

the onslaughts of modern medicine.

 

We must be very careful with calcium supplements and even added

calcium to foods such as orange juice (they typically add a very

inferior type of calcium for this- calcium carbonate I believe it

is ). That which is in antiacid tablets (tums and others) should be

avoided as well. They say that artery clots in women consist mainly

of calcium deposits. This is not really surprising considering the

fact that if you even mention menopause or PMS the doctor starts

prescribing excessive amounts of calcium.

 

I am very aware that calcium was a large part of MY problem. The

correct balance of calcium and magnesium has a vital affect on the

oxygen flow to the heart. Calcium constricts the muscles, yes, even

the heart

muscles, and magnesium plays an opposite role. It's role is to relax

the muscles. It is best to take more than one type of magnesium in

your supplement as all of the forms have different roles.

 

NOW brands make a good combination magnesium supplement.

Mag Malate is good for muscles and joints although oxide is good for

oxygenation, both to the brain and heart (strokes and other nice

things which we want to avoid). I took oxide initially since I

determined that it was good for my particular problem at the time.

www.NOWfoods.com

 

I would ensure that you are taking a fish oil supplement or eating

cold water fish every day to ensure optimum amounts of vitamin D as

well. Alaskan salmon is very good for this! Also sardines packed in

water. I wouldn't advise eating any that is packed in oil. soybean

oil is genetically altered right now, making it a VERY unhealthy oil

and anyway in my opinion, it is typically too high in omega 6s to be

any good for us!

 

www.spectrumnaturals.com

 

God Bless,

JoAnn

_________________

 

JoAnn Guest

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Hi JoAnne. Thanks for your response and also for the two articles you

posted relevant to bone health.

 

To fill you in on what my issues are: The joint inflammation is

probably rheumatoid arthritis, although I am not going to go the MD

route of getting a diagnosis. There is some extreme arthritis in my

family's medical history, and that is enough for me to work with. I

did discover years ago that one cup of coffee would give me arthritis

symptoms. I have been able to avoid excessive joint trouble until

recently through diet and exercise. One could speculate that the

toxicity and trauma from the hysterectomy I had last year pushed the

arthritis over the edge.

 

In any case, I am using Ester C because of a sensitive stomach. I may

experiment with some other forms so I can vary the sources of C

supplementation. That would ease my concerns about getting too much

of something in a pill (even though at least it's a supplement and

not a drug).

 

I was glad to read the news about the relationship between protein

and calcium in the body because I am a vegetarian. Too much dairy and

sugar, though, I'll admit.

 

I tend to deal with fatigue and a fuzzy headedness that is actually

debilitating. My head has been clearer since the hyst, though, and my

guess on that is that, besides hormones, I was affected by an

undetected infection seated in the gyn organs. I find the theories

about low-grade infection interesting, and that seems to be the place

where mainstream medicine is starting to find common ground with

homeopathy.

 

In fact, I had some tests done, and the doctor told me I was " loaded

with infections. " Like reactivated chlamydia and EBV. I didn't like

his treatment plan, though, and I hope that the vitamin C and yoga

will help my body move forward in healing itself.

 

I will look at the magnesium supplement you use. So far, any

magnesium supplement, even in combination, causes disabling muscle

weakness for me. When I do think I need to supplement with magnesium,

I take it in a tissue salt preparation as magnesium phosphoricum.

 

Thanks again. A lot of good info on this list.

 

Catherine

 

, " JoAnn Guest "

<angelprincessjo> wrote:

> , " ucccathy "

> <ucccathy> wrote:

> > How much calcium is too much? I am concerned because I take 12 g

> of Ester C a day for joint inflammation. (The result has been

> > fantastic.) But that dose contains 1200 mg of calcium.

> > Catherine

>

> , " JoAnn Guest "

> <angelprincessjo> wrote:

> > Nutrients to Prevent Bone Loss

> > If you take in too much calcium,you will find that your body

> doesn't use vitamin D correctly.

>

>

> Hi Cathy!

>

> The best rule of thumb I believe is to be sure that your calcium is

> offset with much larger amounts of magnesium and sufficient

> potassium from your diet (potassium supplements can only be taken

at

> doses of 99 mgs according to the FDA).In my opinion it isn't really

> advisable to take it (calcium & mag) together because minerals may

> compete with each other.

>

> I'm so glad to hear that the Ester C has been helping you! That is

> fantastic. Although I'm not aware of all that you are dealing with

> at the moment I'm sure that sufficient doses of magnesium will

help.

> Magnesium is a cofactor for many enzymes and without a good dose of

> magnesium the heart and cardiovascular system does not function up

> to

> par. Magnesium is just a good all around tonic and the minimal

> amounts that are present in most supplements just doesn't even

start

> to meet the body's requirements. More green organic fruits and

> veggies also help you meet your quota for the day. I take up to

> 1,200 of magnesium (in divided doses) on occasion and even more if

> the need arises.

>

> The so called benefits of calcium supplements are extremely

> overhyped by orthodox medicine as a rule. It is the most

> overprescribed dietary supplement and the effects aren't that well

> known to the average person, so everyone, esp. women keep taking it

> in large amounts when in my opinion, all thats really needed is in

> our foods. If you eat a whole foods diet high in veggies and

fruits,

> I believe you get sufficient calcium unless you also eat an

> overabundance of Dairy (high in phosphorus) as well.

>

> Everybody worries about getting sufficient calcium when in my

> opinion we can derive enough calcium from our foods when we eat the

> proper green foods diet, and apparently its the balance of other

> nutrients that accompany it that determines whether it is properly

> absorbed.

> When there's an imbalance or an overacidic condition the body in

its

> wisdom takes calcium from our bones.

>

> When too much phosphorus exists (as in a diet high in Dairy and

> other phosphorus containing foods) the resulting overabundance of

> phosphorus takes calcium from the bones to neutralize the resulting

> acidity, even if

> they really need it at the time. This is also true of

> arachadonic acid, uric acid, methionine and other acids which are

> present in Dairy foods and most meat (especially inorganic red

> meats).

>

> When we become too acidic, calcium ends up in our bloodstream,

> kidneys and other odd places and may cause hypercalcemia as well.

> The doctors have another drug for this too. After they prescribe

> overly amounts of calcium, then we are offered a drug for it. Very

> ironic! We must be aware of this so we can protect ourselves from

> the onslaughts of modern medicine.

>

> We must be very careful with calcium supplements and even added

> calcium to foods such as orange juice (they typically add a very

> inferior type of calcium for this- calcium carbonate I believe it

> is ). That which is in antiacid tablets (tums and others) should be

> avoided as well. They say that artery clots in women consist mainly

> of calcium deposits. This is not really surprising considering the

> fact that if you even mention menopause or PMS the doctor starts

> prescribing excessive amounts of calcium.

>

> I am very aware that calcium was a large part of MY problem. The

> correct balance of calcium and magnesium has a vital affect on the

> oxygen flow to the heart. Calcium constricts the muscles, yes, even

> the heart

> muscles, and magnesium plays an opposite role. It's role is to

relax

> the muscles. It is best to take more than one type of magnesium in

> your supplement as all of the forms have different roles.

>

> NOW brands make a good combination magnesium supplement.

> Mag Malate is good for muscles and joints although oxide is good

for

> oxygenation, both to the brain and heart (strokes and other nice

> things which we want to avoid). I took oxide initially since I

> determined that it was good for my particular problem at the time.

> www.NOWfoods.com

>

> I would ensure that you are taking a fish oil supplement or eating

> cold water fish every day to ensure optimum amounts of vitamin D as

> well. Alaskan salmon is very good for this! Also sardines packed in

> water. I wouldn't advise eating any that is packed in oil. soybean

> oil is genetically altered right now, making it a VERY unhealthy

oil

> and anyway in my opinion, it is typically too high in omega 6s to

be

> any good for us!

>

> www.spectrumnaturals.com

>

> God Bless,

> JoAnn

> _________________

>

> JoAnn Guest

> mrsjoguest@s...

> DietaryTipsForHBP

> http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest

[Guest guest]

Nutrients to Prevent Bone Loss --- Depending upon your specific situation,at certain times in your life your body will more than likely need some extra support in a particular area of bone density That's because your body is in a constant state of either building bone, repairing bone or forming and strengthening new bone.

 

Building strong bones requires: boron, magnesium, zinc, alfalfa, green barley grass, dandelion root, rose hips, yucca and red raspberry.

 

Formation of bones: to maintain bone density-- horsetail, oat straw, organic flaxseed and vitamin C daily, preferably with bioflavonoids.

 

Vitamin D-- is required to help your body absorb calcium, Boron and zinc are required to help enhance the effectiveness of vitamin D.

 

If you take in too much calcium,you will find that your body doesn't use vitamin D correctly.

 

Often pharmaceutical drugs will result in loss of bone.

 

Surgery and illness can be a factor in bone loss. If you suffer from an illness that requires your body to be in a constant state of healing your body will rob calcium from bones to provide healing to the injured areas. The body will always work to maintain healing of an organ, even if it means sacrificing calcium from your bones.

 

Just because you are taking a calcium supplement or eating calcium rich foods does not guarantee your body is absorbing and using calcium correctly.

 

There are things that prevent proper assimilation of calcium: fluorides in tap water,carbonated beverages,heavy metals, coffee,and excessive refined salt and refined sugar contribute to bone loss as well.

 

It is important to eat Certified Organic whole foods without additives, pesticides, rBGH or gmo's. So eat organic foods, fresh whole and uncooked when possible, and be sure that eggs and meat are organic and not filled with hormones for quick growth. -Boron and Dandelion:

 

Speaking of boron, dandelion greens,roots and shoots run a close second to cabbage, with 125 ppm. Dandelion also has more than 20,000 ppm of calcium, meaning that just ten grams (just under seven tablespoons) of dried dandelion shoots will provide more than 1 mg of boron and 200 mgs of calcium.

 

Dandelion is also a fair source of 'silicon', which some studies suggest also helps to strengthen bone.

 

Avocado:

 

As one reputed vegetable source of vitamin D, avocados can help the body turn calcium into bone. I suggest mashing an avocado into organic yogurt so you get your calcium and some vitamin D at the same time. Avocadoes are also rich in heart healthy vitamin E.

 

(Glycine max) and other unprocessed beans) Vegetarian and Japanese women have a lower incidence of osteoporosis and fractures than Western women who eat traditional high protein diets.

 

The reason, according to James Anderson, M.D. of the University of Kentucky College of medicine in Lexington, appears to be that those who indulge in the traditional western high protein diets tend to 'excrete' increasing amounts of calcium into their urine.

 

Beans are also good source of protein, however they cause considerably less 'calcium loss' than consumption of animal proteins. In addition, soybeans and other beans contain "genistein", a plant estrogen (phytoestrogen) which acts like the female sex hormone in our bodyies. I'd be willing to bet that a diet rich in unprocessed beans, lentils and legumes would strengthen bone and prevent heart disease as well as or equally as well as, estrogen pills (HRT).

 

Horsetail: French research suggests that "silicon" helps prevent osteoporosis and can be used to treat bone fractures. Horsetail is among the richest plant sources of this mineral, in the form of the compound "monosilicic acid",and it is a substance which the body can readily use. Aging and low estrogen levels decrease the body's ability to absorb "silicon".

 

Recommended amounts may be up to nine 350 mg capsules daily.

 

If you use horsetail tea, add a teaspoon of pure natural raw honey or 'cane'(sucanat or turbinado) sugar to the water along with the dried herb. The unrefined sugar will pull more silicon out of the plant. Bring it to a boil, then let it simmer for about three hours. Strain out the leaves, then let the tea cool before drinking.

 

I have nothing against calcium supplements but I believe that everyone should get as much calcium as possible from organic foods. It's not only possible to do this, it's better for your bones, because the mineral strength of bone depends on more than calcium.

 

For calcium to actually strengthen bones, it must be combined with some other nutrients as well.

 

Phosphorus is important, but you also need magnesium, boron, zinc, vitamin D and vitamin A to ensure that you maintain a strong bone structure. You can get all of these nutrients in supplements, however I prefer to get them the way Nature intended— all packaged together in our foods!

 

Nutrition experts suggest that people at risk for osteoporosis limit their protein intake to no more than one gram of protein per kilogram of body weight, which translates into around two to three ounces of protein—on the order of one Amish chicken breast or one Laura's Lean beefburger (hormone and antibiotic-free-—daily for the average woman. www.laurasleanbeef.com

 

Most Americans eat considerably more protein, running a risk of calcium loss even if they "consume" a lot of the mineral supplement.

 

Magnesium is extremely important for bone health, equally, if not more important than calcium! Sixty percent of our body's magnesium stores are contained in our BONES, particularly in the trabecular bone of the wrists, thighs, and vertebrae. It has been shown that women suffering from osteoporosis have much lower

 

levels of magnesium in their 'trabecular' bone than healthy women. This is not surprising because magnesium is vital for metabolizing calcium and vitamin C and helps to convert Vitamin D to the active form necessary to ensure efficient calcium 'absorption'.

 

Magnesium also activates the enzyme 'alkaline phosphatase'.

 

This enzyme helps to form calcium 'crystals' in the bone and is often used as an indicator as to whether new bone is being formed.

 

A study by Biolab in London compared different groups of women, some with osteoporosis, some postmenopausal but with no osteoporosis, and some women on HRT.

 

They found that NONE of the women in any group had low levels of calcium.

 

BUT the women with osteoporosis had low levels of other VITAL BONE NUTRIENTS INCLUDING MAGNESIUM AND ZINC, and of the 'enzyme' "alkaline phosphatase"', indicating poor bone "renewal".

 

A normal level of this' 'enzyme' is DEPENDENT on having enough magnesium in the body!Magnesium also PREVENTS the buildup of unwanted calcium DEPOSITS elsewhere in the body (i.e. joints,arteries etc).

 

We need twice as much magnesium as calcium if the "biochemistry" of bone formation is to run smoothly.

 

Most of us, in fact, are magnesium deficient rather than calcium deficient. Good sources of dietary magnesium are dark green leafy vegetables, apples, seeds, nuts, and figs.

 

The importance of magnesium in the bone-building process has been demonstrated. In one research project Two groups of women were monitored. One group took HRT plus magnesium. The other took HRT alone. After nine months, the bone mineral density of the women taking magnesium had increased by 11 percent. The women taking only HRT showed NO INCREASE in bone density.

 

After two years the magnesium takers were still improving their bone density!! Taken from "Natural Choices for Menopause" By Marilyn Glenville Ph.D. _________________ =====================================================================Vitamin D is essential for the intestinal absorption of many minerals, but particularly calcium and magnesium

 

Vitamin D deficiency is associated with defective "calcification" of the bones and pathogenic "calcification" of the arteries.

 

'Synthetic' vitamin D added to milk has the same effect as vitamin D deficiency — it causes "abnormal calcification" of the soft tissues, particularly the blood vessels, --contributing to arterial plaque finally resulting in arterial thrombosis.

 

Vitamin D is derived from fish oil and sunshine. You need at least 20 minutes of sun daily in order for your body to make sufficient quantities of vitamin D.

 

Minimum sun exposure does not increase your skin cancer risks.

 

Fish Oil is the oil extracted from the flesh of cold water fish. Good examples are alaskan salmon, mackerel, tuna in water without additives (chicken broth contains msg,etc), sardines in water, herrings and anchovies.

 

Fish oil is a rich source of the omega-3 essential fatty acids such as eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). Both EPA and DHA are normal constituents of body tissue.

 

It is essential that EPA and DHA supplements include vitamin E to prevent rancidity, and that supplements be taken with additional vitamin E supplements to prevent "oxidation" in the body.

 

In fact, some of the conflicting results of studies using fish oil may be due to the fact that in some cases, the supplements did not contain additional vitamin E to protect them. Study results have been superior when EPA has been consumed with a vitamin E supplement. Per capsule, fish oil supplements generally contain between 180 and 400 mgs of EPA plus 120 to 300 mgs of DHA.

 

Fish Oil should not be confused with cod liver oil which is the oil extracted from the 'liver' of the fish. Although cod liver oil contains EPA and DHA, large doses should be avoided,, because the oil contains large amounts of additional vitamins A and D which, if ingested in very large amounts, could be quite toxic. Quality Norwegian Fish Oils are obtained from the Spectrum Naturals website. http://www.spectrumnaturals.com -Boron Rich Foods -Plums [dried prunes] Quinces Strawberries Cabbage Dandelion [leaves] Apples Asparagus Celery and [roots] Figs Broccoli [leaves] Pears Beets Sour Cherries Red currants Cauliflower [florets] Apricots Radishes Black currants Celery [seeds] Brussels sprouts [leaves] Cowpeas Rutabaga [leaves] American persimmons Grapes Cucumbers Onions Alfalfa sprouts Black beans [fruits and seeds] Spinach Carrots Rutabaga [roots] Endive Peas [seeds] Broccoli [stems] Brussels sprouts [stems] Chinese cabbage Turnip [roots] Chicory [roots] Bell peppers Organic Soybeans Bananas Mangoes Cantaloupe Wheat [seeds Papaya Gooseberries Avocados Red raspberries Sesame seeds Blueberries

 

Fruits, vegetables, tubers and legumes have a higher concentration of boron than grains. Boron rich foods will decrease the amount of calcium your body *excretes* by 40%. - AciditySince the body can only operate within a very narrow PH range balance between acidity and alkalinity, to neutralize the resulting acidity the body is required to "mobilize" Calcium from the bones. Once this is accomplished, the Calcium is lost in the urine, never to be returned to the bones. Replace dairy milk with organic non-gmo SOY or RICE milk in cooking and on cereal. Eat generous servings of green leafy vegetables, beans, broccoli, sesame seeds, oats, fruits, and non-gmo tofu/miso for strong bones.

 

There is three times as much Calcium in one serving of Spinach or Kale as there is in one glass of diary milk with generous amounts of beneficial magngesium included._________________

 

Diana Gonzalez

 

 

 

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