Osteopoosis & Dairy, bad for sick people

[Guest guest]

Evening Joann,

 

Interesting article about milk. However FLAWED.....

 

Not one mention of Vitamin D.

 

In addition, the source

website, <http://www.notmilk.com/dairy>http://www.notmilk.com/dairy

 

is one of the most biased sites on the web. I have read many articles

from that site. I think the NUT that runs it is a full blooded vegetarian.

 

There is no way, you, him, or any other scientist, ( or a panel of 500 )

can explain how people have lived to be 80, 90, and 100 years of age, and

no bone problems, IF ....... any of this bad press on milk is true.

 

I had one friend that lived to be 85. still had strong bones. He drank

milk like it was water. I have seen him go by the frig and drink from a

gallon jug like a thirsty farmer downs water. My mother lived to 91.5 and

used dairy produce all her life.

 

I drank one gallon per day for a few years in my life. Now I drink all I

want, usually 16 to 32 oz. At age 65 I lift anything my muscles will

lift. No crushed bones or smashed disks.

 

First, you, me, and everyone will have to agree, these masses of

subjects with bone problems have hundreds, if not thousands of deficiencies

and complex body chemistry problems. Sure, a bit of milk may kill them.

Still, it is not the fault of the milk. Certainly low vitamin D is likely

and most never heard of magnesium and have not a clue how much potassium

the get per day or need per day. I know... because I have asked hundreds

of them. So..... milk caused the bone loss ??

 

Without enough vitamin D, anyones health is doomed. Blame it on milk,

chocolate, sugar, rice, flour, or any one of 1000 other things.

 

Like I stated before, every single one of my friends who have bone and

back problems never worked a day in their life in the sunshine with their

shirt off. Most of them have not worked at anything, by my standard of work.

 

Often we are blind sided by fancy articles by people who have been blind

sided by their own preconceived ideas. Like this " NOT MILK " guy.

 

No study in the world today, made with sick people will carry the

weight of observations made

of healthy people.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, Wayne Fugitt

<wayne@f...> wrote:

> Evening Joann,

No study in the world today, made with sick people will carry

the weight of observations made of healthy people.

> Wayne

>

 

Evening Wayne,

I believe that's what we have here! Sick people>

 

Again, I repeat, we are not suggesting that healthy people stop

drinking milk!However it is very often contraindicated in numerous

instances including serious (irreversible) bone loss!

 

We have no way of knowing whether dairy CAUSED the bone loss or not

initially. It is doubtful that the existing imbalances leading up to

this disease could have been caused by Dairy to the exclusiion of

everything else in their diet.

 

However, if they do recover from this, (and I believe it is

possible, there are testimonies to that effect) they are going to

have to make some radical changes in diet and lifestyle and limiting

their Dairy intake is certainly one of them!

 

Excessive calcium in any form can lead up to bone disease,

especially if it is not 'acconpanied' by certain other essential

minerals.

 

Dairy is notoriuos for its extremely high " phosphorus " content. When

there is too much phosphorus in the diet, irregardless of the

source, it will contribute to bone LOSS!!

To reverse this condition, one has to eliminate

excessive " phosphorus " from the diet!

 

When we look at all the statistics coming from ANY source, we notice

that the nations which have an extremely high intake of dairy to the

exclusion of other more healthy foods, have a high incidence of

osteoporosis and bone disease!

 

Etnic studies always point to this one vital fact. I firmly believe

there is a correlation there. If you take the time to read up on it

the evidence exists and is very convincing!

 

When one considers all the variuos hidden forms of dairy in our

diets, it all starts to make more sense.

 

Then too, Dairy is not the healthy food it was previously was.

 

Since 1996, it has been polluted with antibiotics, 59 growth

hormones (IGF) and in addition, these additives are very closely

linked to cancer proliferation simply because they are artificial

hormones that interfere with our natural hormones (Xenoestrogens).

 

Testimonies confirm that whenever Dairy is eliminated from the

diets of very sick people miraculous healings take place! Arthritis,

allergies, sickle cell anemia,cancer (all types, osteoporosis,

arteriosclerosis, and the list goes on and on.

 

Research indicates that We are literally the only country in the

world with such a high consumption of cow's milk. Numerous other

third world countries are drinking milk from various other animal

species, which according to the

experts contain more of an abundance of the essential 'nutrients'.

 

Almost Immediately after my heart attack I stopped drinking milk

and eating dairy foods and my health immediately started to improve.

I've heard many others testify the same.

 

Your family amazes me. They are SO healthy! I hope their luck

continues. Wayne, as I've said before, the bottom line is that those

who are really healthy usally don't have a problem with it, however

apparently those of us who are experiencing certain serious

illnesses

typicaly have to make some very radical changes in order to improve!

Most of us are still searching. I'm wondering why you're here. <LOL

 

Best Regards, JoAnn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Evening Joann,

 

Interesting article about milk. However FLAWED.....

 

Not one mention of Vitamin D.

 

In addition, the source

website, <http://www.notmilk.com/dairy>http://www.notmilk.com/dairy

 

is one of the most biased sites on the web. I have read many articles

from that site. I think the NUT that runs it is a full blooded

 

vegetarian.

 

There is no way, you, him, or any other scientist, ( or a panel of

500

 

)

can explain how people have lived to be 80, 90, and 100 years of

age,

 

and

no bone problems, IF ....... any of this bad press on milk is true.

 

I had one friend that lived to be 85. still had strong bones. He

drank

milk like it was water. I have seen him go by the frig and drink

from a

gallon jug like a thirsty farmer downs water. My mother lived to

91.5

 

and

used dairy produce all her life.

 

I drank one gallon per day for a few years in my life. Now I drink

all

 

I

want, usually 16 to 32 oz. At age 65 I lift anything my muscles will

lift. No crushed bones or smashed disks.

 

First, you, me, and everyone will have to agree, these masses of

subjects with bone problems have hundreds, if not thousands of

 

deficiencies

and complex body chemistry problems. Sure, a bit of milk may kill

them.

Still, it is not the fault of the milk. Certainly low vitamin D is

 

likely

and most never heard of magnesium and have not a clue how much

 

potassium

the get per day or need per day. I know... because I have asked

 

hundreds

of them. So..... milk caused the bone loss ??

 

Without enough vitamin D, anyones health is doomed. Blame it on milk,

chocolate, sugar, rice, flour, or any one of 1000 other things.

 

Like I stated before, every single one of my friends who have bone

and

back problems never worked a day in their life in the sunshine with

 

their

shirt off. Most of them have not worked at anything, by my standard

of

 

work.

 

Often we are blind sided by fancy articles by people who have been

 

blind

sided by their own preconceived ideas. Like this " NOT MILK " guy.

 

No study in the world today, made with sick people will carry the

weight of observations made

of healthy people.

 

Wayne

[Guest guest]

Thanks Wayne

 

You pegged the problem!!! No Vitamin D!

It amazes me how almost every 'health group' ignores

Sunlight. Did any of these alternative practicioners' ever read Dr.

Johanna Budwig's research? If they read carefully they would not miss

the scientific proofs of the value of Sunlight on All Levels of our

health. This is also why some people live well past 100 years = they

walk almost every day in Sunlight. Poeple do not realize that Sunlight

is actually a food to our bodies and why those 'nuts' breatharians can

go for long times without eating.

http://alkalizeforhealth.net/sunlight.htm

 

Rick

 

 

, Wayne Fugitt

<wayne@f...> wrote:

> Evening Joann,

>

> Interesting article about milk. However FLAWED.....

>

> Not one mention of Vitamin D.

>

> In addition, the source

> website, <http://www.notmilk.com/dairy>http://www.notmilk.com/dairy

>

> is one of the most biased sites on the web. I have read many

articles

> from that site. I think the NUT that runs it is a full blooded

vegetarian.

>

> There is no way, you, him, or any other scientist, ( or a panel

of 500 )

> can explain how people have lived to be 80, 90, and 100 years of

age, and

> no bone problems, IF ....... any of this bad press on milk is true.

>

> I had one friend that lived to be 85. still had strong bones.

He drank

> milk like it was water. I have seen him go by the frig and drink from a

> gallon jug like a thirsty farmer downs water. My mother lived to

91.5 and

> used dairy produce all her life.

>

> I drank one gallon per day for a few years in my life. Now I

drink all I

> want, usually 16 to 32 oz. At age 65 I lift anything my muscles will

> lift. No crushed bones or smashed disks.

>

> First, you, me, and everyone will have to agree, these masses of

> subjects with bone problems have hundreds, if not thousands of

deficiencies

> and complex body chemistry problems. Sure, a bit of milk may kill

them.

> Still, it is not the fault of the milk. Certainly low vitamin D is

likely

> and most never heard of magnesium and have not a clue how much

potassium

> the get per day or need per day. I know... because I have asked

hundreds

> of them. So..... milk caused the bone loss ??

>

> Without enough vitamin D, anyones health is doomed. Blame it on

milk,

> chocolate, sugar, rice, flour, or any one of 1000 other things.

>

> Like I stated before, every single one of my friends who have

bone and

> back problems never worked a day in their life in the sunshine with

their

> shirt off. Most of them have not worked at anything, by my standard

of work.

>

> Often we are blind sided by fancy articles by people who have

been blind

> sided by their own preconceived ideas. Like this " NOT MILK " guy.

>

> No study in the world today, made with sick people will carry the

> weight of observations made

> of healthy people.

>

> Wayne