Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Hi Jan, I still take Vioxx (another NSAID) for my psoriatic arthritis. But I have managed to keep it to the lowest possible dose available through nutrition and complementary therapies. I've been taking NSAIDs for about 15 years, and yes they do work at reducing the symptoms of inflammation. There is long term harm that can be done, mostly for liver, kidneys, and stomach/duoduenal ulcers. My suggestion is to take the minimal dose that allows you to function properly in order to exercise and feed yourself nutrient-dense food. Before diving into nutrition and complementary therapies I used to have to take a much larger dose of NSAIDs, plus the toxic DMARDs like methotrexate. But proper nutrition has enabled me to even go off medication altogether from time to time, and my annual blood tests are all normal or better than normal now. My body still reacts to physical stress, so if I know I'm going to be doing something likely to aggravate my joints like portaging a canoe for a kilometer through the woods, I take some extra NSAID as a preventative measure. The NSAID -- along with proper nutrition -- has its place in preventing the snowball of: joint trauma or inflammation trigger --> inflammation --> weakened muscle --> inability to protect joint --> futher inflammation, and so on. There's so many other things though that have helped my arthritis, and have allowed me to reduce my use of an NSAID to the bare minimum, plus helps avoid any side effects from the NSAID: Physical: Active Release Therapy + Chiropractic Foot orthotics Weightlifting with a personal trainer Balance work, core strengthening exercises Intense cardiovascular exercise (rowing) Hot/cold sauna/shower therapy - perhaps the hardest to get used to! Nutrition: Daily fresh made organic vegetable juices Daily fresh made pulped organic fruit power drinks with raw eggs Organic raw fruits, vegetables, nuts Organic meats/fish Supplements: Cod Liver oil, 1 tablespoon daily (provides EPA, DHA, lots of Vitamins D & A) a quality multivitamin/multimineral Vitamin E (doses in the 2000 IU range apparently downregulate autoimmune disease) Vitamin C powder (goes in all my drinks) Zinc Glucosamine/Chondriton Sulphate Wobenzym systemic oral enzymes Miscellaneous * I have a supply of about 20 different bulk dried herbs & seeds from the health food store that I use occasionally, usually as infusions, for whatever ails me :-) And there's the standard avoidance of sugar, dairy (except for some cheese made from raw milk), flours, any food that comes in a box or won't rot, etc. * Other people might need some sort of emotional/spiritual healing. I've tried it but found there was nothing wrong to begin with for me. I've fasted on just water for over a week, tried elimination diets, at least a dozen supplements of minerals, vitamins and nutraceuticals in various doses, over 40 sesssions of accupuncture, 12 sessions of cranio-sacral therapy, guided hypnosis, self-hypnosis, you name it. In the end it seems to be mostly what I put into my mouth, what is eliminated, and how I treat my body that makes the most difference. David At 12:17 PM 3/16/2004, you wrote: >Having said all that I could use some input from alternatively minded >folks on the >subject of naproxenn. I have bad arthritis - and have been dealing with >it for >about ten years now. i have done and continue to use all the supplements >that >are supposed to support and reverse damage - glucosime,condroiton,MSM, CMO, >enzymes etc. Recently I took 'Relora' which is supposed to lower >cortisol - but >since cortisol in proper amounts is an anti-inflamatory I only took it for >a few >days before experiencing horrible increase in pain in my knees. > >It was so intense and debilitating that I resorted to cracking open my >prescription for naproxen (dr told me to take this twice a day, but I only >did so >for a month and then stopped going with alternitive supplements instead) - >years >ago. I know the naproxen is masking the symptom - but it's a nsaid that >apparently rduced the inflamation in my affected joints. I can actually >walk and >move again without pain. it feels......wonderful to do so, I can't >remember the >last time I did not have chronic and continual pain. > >so here's my question - I am thinking of continuing to take this drug, but >I hate >to do so - if I do stay on it am I doing myself any real harm long term? > >thanks for any information on this subject you may have! Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Jan & David I have Reactive Arthritis (Reiter's Syndrome) and for many many years I was on NSAIDs. Swollen knees, loss of sight, NSU - all the symptoms, but one at a time. The last time I had it one knee was swollen for 2 years and nothing would reduce the inflammation except draining the knee which would only last a few days. To cut a long story short I ceased taking all drugs completely and began on Seatone capsules - 5 a day. Within a few weeks the inflammation was gone. I haven't seen a doctor since and hopefully will never have to again. Seatone capsules are made from the NZ green lipped muscle and have anti-imflammatory properties. I only took the Seatone for about 6 months and then I swapped to 'fresh' NZ green lipped muscles. I ate a small container every week - now I eat one about every 2-3 weeks. I have been completely symptom free now for over 3 years. I can only tell you what has helped me but I am convinced that all these life style diseases are all diet related. We are either allergic to some food or lacking some nutrient. You just have to find out which. I haven't seen a doctor for over 3 years (except for annual blood tests at my request). I now run most days - up to 10kms - and have never felt better. I'm 51. Regards Graeme Ellis The Goldfields Western Australia - " David Elfstrom " <listbox Wednesday, March 17, 2004 3:59 AM Re: small question - arthritis > Hi Jan, > > I still take Vioxx (another NSAID) for my psoriatic arthritis. But I have > managed to keep it to the lowest possible dose available through nutrition > and complementary therapies. I've been taking NSAIDs for about 15 years, > and yes they do work at reducing the symptoms of inflammation. There is > long term harm that can be done, mostly for liver, kidneys, and > stomach/duoduenal ulcers. My suggestion is to take the minimal dose that > allows you to function properly in order to exercise and feed yourself > nutrient-dense food. > > Before diving into nutrition and complementary therapies I used to have to > take a much larger dose of NSAIDs, plus the toxic DMARDs like methotrexate. > But proper nutrition has enabled me to even go off medication altogether > from time to time, and my annual blood tests are all normal or better than > normal now. My body still reacts to physical stress, so if I know I'm going > to be doing something likely to aggravate my joints like portaging a canoe > for a kilometer through the woods, I take some extra NSAID as a > preventative measure. The NSAID -- along with proper nutrition -- has its > place in preventing the snowball of: joint trauma or inflammation trigger > --> inflammation --> weakened muscle --> inability to protect joint --> > futher inflammation, and so on. > > There's so many other things though that have helped my arthritis, and have > allowed me to reduce my use of an NSAID to the bare minimum, plus helps > avoid any side effects from the NSAID: > > Physical: > Active Release Therapy + Chiropractic > Foot orthotics > Weightlifting with a personal trainer > Balance work, core strengthening exercises > Intense cardiovascular exercise (rowing) > Hot/cold sauna/shower therapy - perhaps the hardest to get used to! > > Nutrition: > Daily fresh made organic vegetable juices > Daily fresh made pulped organic fruit power drinks with raw eggs > Organic raw fruits, vegetables, nuts > Organic meats/fish > > Supplements: > Cod Liver oil, 1 tablespoon daily (provides EPA, DHA, lots of Vitamins D & A) > a quality multivitamin/multimineral > Vitamin E (doses in the 2000 IU range apparently downregulate autoimmune > disease) > Vitamin C powder (goes in all my drinks) > Zinc > Glucosamine/Chondriton Sulphate > Wobenzym systemic oral enzymes > > Miscellaneous > * I have a supply of about 20 different bulk dried herbs & seeds from the > health food store that I use occasionally, usually as infusions, for > whatever ails me :-) > > And there's the standard avoidance of sugar, dairy (except for some cheese > made from raw milk), flours, any food that comes in a box or won't rot, etc. > > * Other people might need some sort of emotional/spiritual healing. I've > tried it but found there was nothing wrong to begin with for me. > > I've fasted on just water for over a week, tried elimination diets, at > least a dozen supplements of minerals, vitamins and nutraceuticals in > various doses, over 40 sesssions of accupuncture, 12 sessions of > cranio-sacral therapy, guided hypnosis, self-hypnosis, you name it. > > In the end it seems to be mostly what I put into my mouth, what is > eliminated, and how I treat my body that makes the most difference. > > David > > > At 12:17 PM 3/16/2004, you wrote: > >Having said all that I could use some input from alternatively minded > >folks on the > >subject of naproxenn. I have bad arthritis - and have been dealing with > >it for > >about ten years now. i have done and continue to use all the supplements > >that > >are supposed to support and reverse damage - glucosime,condroiton,MSM, CMO, > >enzymes etc. Recently I took 'Relora' which is supposed to lower > >cortisol - but > >since cortisol in proper amounts is an anti-inflamatory I only took it for > >a few > >days before experiencing horrible increase in pain in my knees. > > > >It was so intense and debilitating that I resorted to cracking open my > >prescription for naproxen (dr told me to take this twice a day, but I only > >did so > >for a month and then stopped going with alternitive supplements instead) - > >years > >ago. I know the naproxen is masking the symptom - but it's a nsaid that > >apparently rduced the inflamation in my affected joints. I can actually > >walk and > >move again without pain. it feels......wonderful to do so, I can't > >remember the > >last time I did not have chronic and continual pain. > > > >so here's my question - I am thinking of continuing to take this drug, but > >I hate > >to do so - if I do stay on it am I doing myself any real harm long term? > > > >thanks for any information on this subject you may have! Jan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 Hi David; My husband found relief with seal oil (4 a day) and Quest super one a day and Quest timed release vit C made with sago palms. He was at the point he could not pick up a piece of paper with his right hand. Within 2 weeks he felt better and in 2 month he felt normal and has not returned in the last two years )))) I got him off chicken as well and some other blood group diet stuff for better digestion etc. For my type of arthritis the seal oil was helpful and dropping a lot of the grains (especially wheat) some of the other grains are not at bad (they used to trigger off my arthritis) we eat more organic foods and do sequential eating and drink more water (distilled with a pinch of Celtic sea salt) Louise David Elfstrom [listbox] Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:59 PM Re: small question - arthritis Hi Jan, I still take Vioxx (another NSAID) for my psoriatic arthritis. But I have managed to keep it to the lowest possible dose available through nutrition and complementary therapies. I've been taking NSAIDs for about 15 years, and yes they do work at reducing the symptoms of inflammation. There is long term harm that can be done, mostly for liver, kidneys, and stomach/duoduenal ulcers. My suggestion is to take the minimal dose that allows you to function properly in order to exercise and feed yourself nutrient-dense food. Before diving into nutrition and complementary therapies I used to have to take a much larger dose of NSAIDs, plus the toxic DMARDs like methotrexate. But proper nutrition has enabled me to even go off medication altogether from time to time, and my annual blood tests are all normal or better than normal now. My body still reacts to physical stress, so if I know I'm going to be doing something likely to aggravate my joints like portaging a canoe for a kilometer through the woods, I take some extra NSAID as a preventative measure. The NSAID -- along with proper nutrition -- has its place in preventing the snowball of: joint trauma or inflammation trigger --> inflammation --> weakened muscle --> inability to protect joint --> futher inflammation, and so on. There's so many other things though that have helped my arthritis, and have allowed me to reduce my use of an NSAID to the bare minimum, plus helps avoid any side effects from the NSAID: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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