Group members recommending and selling products::reply::

Posted December 1, 2006 · December 1, 2006

In a message dated 12/1/2006 6:20:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

dihanntz writes:

I have seen that some people here seem to have vested interests in the

products they recommend. They are using this forum to market particular name

brand products which apparently they are selling. I think that should not be

done here....a product should be generically stated, not brand name stated and

a link is then given to the sales site. There are a lot of great products

out there, and produced here in the United States, as well as other countries.

********Diane.....I have nothing to sell, but I don't agree with you.....I

am 62 yrs old and have been on the Internet for 15 years, and I would

personally rather buy a good product from someone I post with, than a company I

know

little about except their hype on a product.. Usually, as I have found out

over the last 15 yrs, the person selling a product like an MLM product has

taken the product themselves and have experienced its wealth of good health. I

don't belong to any MLM's and I'm not particularly fond of them, HOWEVER,

there are some kick butt MLM products available today on the market, which I

have

purchased and used with great success. PLUS, the person(s) selling the

product is doing so, so that they can get " their " products for a much reduced

price or in some cases free. It does my heart good to know that I have struck

it rich twice, first for a great product and secondly for helping someone

either get their product or make a few extra bucks. I must say, when I hear of

a new product that might help me, I research, research, research to product

before I decide to purchase. Hell, I don't take a product when my alternative

doctors recommend it, UNLESS I have done my research SO that I can MAKE AN

INFORMED DECISION. I personally am very capable of making my own decisions

on what I will and will not buy, and as I said, I would much rather help

someone out I know from one of my email groups, than some company.

********I must also add, that those that are sincere with their products

don't push the issue. The ones you back off from are the ones who get into hard

sell tactics and push you into trying their product and those should be

removed from any list, not warned BUT REMOVED.

If we did not more often, then the snake oil salesmen would be hard pressed

to waste their time crashing email groups to simply peddle their wares.

*******I belong to several Lyme email groups, and on one group there is a

lady who is very knowledgeable and who has lived the Lyme nightmare with her 6

kids and hubby for years. She was at one time paralyzed from the neck down

from Lyme disease. She also went back to school and is now an alternative

practitioner and gives hundreds of hours every month helping folks and NOT

CHARGING. Yes, many of the posters eventually go to her, as she is good and

knows how to treat Lyme, but my point is, there are a couple of people on those

lists, who are constantly slamming this woman for letting folks know she has a

particular product for sale. I could go through my monitor and STRANGLE

these people for slamming her. (I have verbally chewed them out in public and

in private for their stupid shellfish accusations.) I ask them " what have you

done to reach out and help someone " ? NONE of those whiners can answer that.

I tell them, " LET ME MAKE MY OWN INFORMED DECISIONS " .

Bottom-line, I welcome regulars sharing what works for them, EVEN if they

are selling it.

Keep a smile on your face, love in your heart and walk with the angels,

holding hands in the " chain of love " ....

Angel Huggggzzz

Linda or Angel

Posted December 1, 2006 · December 1, 2006

Dear Folks,

I have to agree with those that don't mind the

occasional link to a product wether the person has a

vested interest in the product or not. The point is to

help the person with their question or problem, is it

not? I think it should certainly be left up to the

person wether they proceed with the product suggestion

or not. I support the idea that more information is

sure better than not enough information. I mean if you

click the link and learn one thing that might help

you, even though you didn't spend a red cent, isn't it

worth it?

These are not forced by any means, in fact you don't

even have to have these postings show up in your

mailbox if you feel disturbed by them. Simply CHOOSE

to go to the group and read what you like and/ or do

not like to read.

Yes, to have those damn blatent Viagra ads pop up in

our group certainly would be unacceptable. But like

myself, I HOPE most developers, marketers, producers

of a product know the most about the product they have

created and sell (hell, I wrote about 300+ pages of

information for our site).

Additionally, over the years I have had countless

letters saying thank you for your help with my

condition and for making such a great product. Those

letters aren't even on our site. Why should I put them

there? Anyone could make them up themselves. Bottom

line is the proof is in the pudding. Recomendations

are only made from people that actually want to help.

Beleive me, no ones going to get rich selling one

person in timbuktoo one bottle of snake oil. But that

person in timbuktoo may have had their problem

alleviated. Now who's really the winner here? Only

through education (hopefully) does the right decision

prevail.

Additional 2 cents (making this letter 50 cents worth

now, lol.) I love what I do! And I am very proud of

the company and product I have created. Is there

something wrong with that? You won't see me coming to

your house invading your privacy. Its all there, the

choice is up to you. (as it should be, and hopefully

always will be!)

To click or not to click, that is the question.

Have a great day,

Michael R. Lorenti Jr.

mlorenti

www.sensatia.com

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Posted December 2, 2006 · December 2, 2006

Angel wrote (among other things):

<Bottom-line, I welcome regulars sharing what works

for them, EVEN if they are selling it.>

Bless you Angel for your kind words!

You hit the nail right on the head and

it means more coming from someone

who is not selling.

Could you please tell us what product the

woman on your Lyme list is selling? Just in

case I meet someone with the disease in my

other internet travels.

Nobody likes people whose every post is a

predictable blatant commercial.

Most of those get weeded out anyway and

we all have delete buttons.

But this list is for people who share what has

worked for them. Guess what. That includes

some MLMed products.

Diane, I am one of those evil people whose

life was transformed by an MLMed product.

I feel a lifelong debt to the friend who brought

it to my attention, and she is more than welcome

to any money that made her.

As several people pointed out, when you buy

from an MLMer you at least know that person is

paying for the product herself

Also: any bona fide company has generous

money-back garantees.

Some even offer a full year, no questions asked.

Try that with Ciba Geigi.

Different products work for different people.

There are many excellent supplements out there

that go beyond isolated vitamins and minerals.

Some are in stores, some are marketed through

referrals.

As long as a recommendation is honest and above

board and it there is no lying about a vested interest,

what in goodness name is the big deal?

I met my Neways friend on an email list.

I don't sell it, but love some of the products and enjoy

knowing a nice knowledgeable persan makes a few bucks

when I buy it. Where is the harm?

One elegant way around the issue is to invite private

emails from people you think really need your product.

is that an acceptable way to let people know what we

have?

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com

Posted December 2, 2006 · December 2, 2006

I am one of the people guilty of trying to make people in the group

aware of a product that I sell through posts.

Let me give you my reasons;

1. I take what I sell.

2. The product I advertise saved my life by raising my platelet count,

even after my Dr.s said there was nothing they could do.

3. I know for a fact my prices are lower, therefore saving money for

the people least likely to be able to afford the higher priced remedies.

5. My intention is more to help people than to generate profits.

4. I regularly recommend products to people in which I have no

financial interest.

I wholeheartedly agree with the person below who says that it is up to

the individual to determine whether they should buy the advertised

products. If someone had not posted to a group I would have never

found the herbs which saved my life and let my kids have a Dad for

more of their youth.

But, while I advocate letting people post ads, I do feel there is no

room for MLM products here. MLMs jack up the prices, and in an effort

to secure more profit, may ruin a good product with lower priced

additives. They're just wrong!

Good Luck!

, Michael Lorenti

<sensatia_botanicals wrote:

> Dear Folks,

>

> I have to agree with those that don't mind the

> occasional link to a product wether the person has a

> vested interest in the product or not. The point is to

> help the person with their question or problem, is it

> not? I think it should certainly be left up to the

> person wether they proceed with the product suggestion

> or not.

Posted December 2, 2006 · December 2, 2006

Hi

I have to say that I do agree in some respect - I had looked high &

low for a LONG time for completely chemical free products for myself

and my children to no avail. I then came across products that were

100% chemical free, & they worked. So I decided to become an

affiliate of this company and during my journey have been able to

make many positive changes in peoples lives - this gives me Great

Joy & satisfaction!!! I do not want to offend people or push people

into something they do not want - If I feel I know of a product that

may help them or their condition I do like to offer information - it

is up to the individual as to whether they look at the website or

not, the last thing I want to do is offend anyone that is not what I

am about.

I am really passionate about what I do & my ONLY aim is to help

people. Yes if someone orders a product I will make money - I am

also defending this as I am one of the luckiest women alive - I am

able to earn money in an honest way, have a positive effect on

peoples lives and also be there for my children & husband as I work

my own hours. I feel I do have the best of both worlds - I am also

studying to become a Massuse I hope to be qualified by mid-Feb 2007

this will also coincide with my youngest daughter starting school I

will then be able to have a few clients a day and be there the

moment my 3 children come home from school - So many women do not

have this option - I do realise how lucky I am.

Thank you for listening.

Kindest Regards

Caroline

http://www.alwaysnaturallygreat.com

, Michael Lorenti

<sensatia_botanicals wrote:

>

> Dear Folks,

>

> I have to agree with those that don't mind the

> occasional link to a product wether the person has a

> vested interest in the product or not. The point is to

> help the person with their question or problem, is it

> not? I think it should certainly be left up to the

> person wether they proceed with the product suggestion

> or not. I support the idea that more information is

> sure better than not enough information. I mean if you

> click the link and learn one thing that might help

> you, even though you didn't spend a red cent, isn't it

> worth it?

>

> These are not forced by any means, in fact you don't

> even have to have these postings show up in your

> mailbox if you feel disturbed by them. Simply CHOOSE

> to go to the group and read what you like and/ or do

> not like to read.

>

> Yes, to have those damn blatent Viagra ads pop up in

> our group certainly would be unacceptable. But like

> myself, I HOPE most developers, marketers, producers

> of a product know the most about the product they have

> created and sell (hell, I wrote about 300+ pages of

> information for our site).

>

> Additionally, over the years I have had countless

> letters saying thank you for your help with my

> condition and for making such a great product. Those

> letters aren't even on our site. Why should I put them

> there? Anyone could make them up themselves. Bottom

> line is the proof is in the pudding. Recomendations

> are only made from people that actually want to help.

> Beleive me, no ones going to get rich selling one

> person in timbuktoo one bottle of snake oil. But that

> person in timbuktoo may have had their problem

> alleviated. Now who's really the winner here? Only

> through education (hopefully) does the right decision

> prevail.

>

> Additional 2 cents (making this letter 50 cents worth

> now, lol.) I love what I do! And I am very proud of

> the company and product I have created. Is there

> something wrong with that? You won't see me coming to

> your house invading your privacy. Its all there, the

> choice is up to you. (as it should be, and hopefully

> always will be!)

>

> To click or not to click, that is the question.

>

> Have a great day,

> Michael R. Lorenti Jr.

> mlorenti

> www.sensatia.com

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Sensatia Botanicals Inc.- USA

> PO Box 1263, Lewiston, NY 14092

> fone: 206.350.1600

> facs: 206.350.1610

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> In Co-operation with:

> CV. Pak Bina's Minyak Kelapa

> PO Box 115, Amlapura 80800

> Bali, Indonesia

> fone/ facs: 62.363.23260

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

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Posted December 2, 2006 · December 2, 2006

Hi everyone,

I've recommended a couple specific brandname products here myself. Not because

of ANY personal gain. But because they are those with which I've seen the

greatest success.

It would be helpful if, when making recommendations to anyone in a group such as

this, that any specific potential conflicts of interest be announced. There'll

certainly be times when this doesn't occur. But from what I've seen, people

with personal agendas in groups such as this almost always expose those

interests over time. And when these things come out " by accident " , as opposed

to the person's simply being upfront, that person almost always loses any

credibility and influence.

Another thing that would be useful I think, would be for folks to explain the

basis behind which they would feel comfortable making recommendations at all.

That can be from personal experience, training, other anecdotal evidence, etc.

I assume that there are a few here with lengthy medical experience. I myself am

an MD and have spent most of my career teaching and running research projects at

a few medschools.

Vested interests can create major problems. Since the year 2000, there is some

pretty solid evidence that the single biggest killer in the US has been

mis-prescribed medications. This is either due to the prescribing physician

taking too much of a lead from the pharmaceutical companies and/or from being

unaware of other drugs, medications, etc. that their patient is taking. This

often includes OTC AND " natural " drugs, herbs, etc. that people are getting at

healthfood stores, MLM's, and the like.

If someone is not aware of the possible contraindications of anything that they

may recommend, it is imperative that they tell the person so. Then at least

that person asking advice can take the next step of doing further research.

I am, by the way, happy to lend any assistance in that that anyone needs.

thanks,

Rick

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