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[Guest guest]

From what this says, non prescription CS is illegal.

 

 

 

 

Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit

 

Stephen Barrett, M.D.

 

Colloidal silver is a suspension of submicroscopic metallic silver particles

in a colloidal base. Long-term use of silver preparations can lead to argyria,

a condition in which silver salts deposit in the skin, eyes, and internal

organs, and the skin turns ashen-gray. Many cases of argyria occurred during the

pre-antibiotic era when silver was a common ingredient in nosedrops. When the

cause became apparent, doctors stopped recommending their use, and reputable

manufacturers stopped producing them. The official drug guidebooks (United

States Pharmacopeia and National Formulary) have not listed colloidal silver

products since 1975.

Dubious AdsIn recent years, silver-containing products have been marketed

with unsubstantiated claims that they are effective against AIDS, cancer,

infectious diseases, parasites, chronic fatigue, acne, warts, hemorrhoids,

enlarged

prostate, and many other diseases and conditions. Some marketers claim that

colloidal silver is effective against hundreds of diseases.

During 1997 and 1998, Changes International, a Florida-based multilevel

company, stated:

 

> Our colloidal silver contains 99.99% pure silver particles suspended

> indefinitely in demineralized water that kills bacteria and viruses. It can be

> applied topically and/or absorbed into the blood stream sub-lingually (under

the

> tongue), thereby avoiding the negative effects of traditional antibiotics

> that kill good bacteria in the lower digestive tract.

> An all natural antibiotic alternative in the purest form available. The

> presence of colloidal silver near a virus, fungi, bacterium or any other

single

> celled pathogen disables its oxygen-metabolism enzyme, its chemical lung, so

> to say. The pathogens suffocates and dies, and is cleared out of the body by

> the immune, lymphatic and elimination systems.

> Unlike pharmaceutical antibiotics which destroy beneficial enzymes,

> colloidal silver leaves these beneficial enzymes intact. Thus colloidal silver

is

> absolutely safe for humans, reptiles, plants and all multi-celled living

matter.

> It is impossible for single-celled germs to mutate into silver-resistant

> forms, as happens with conventional antibiotics. Also, colloidal silver cannot

> interact or interfere with other medicines being taken. Colloidal silver is

> truly a safe, natural remedy for many of mankind's ills. Colloidal silver can

> be taken indefinitely because the body does not develop a tolerance to it [1].

>

 

<A HREF= " http://www.seasilver.com/ " >Seasilver International</A>, a

California-based multilevel company, had claimed

that American are suffering from " silver deficiency. " Although silver is not an

essential nutrient, product information posted on the company's Web site

several years ago stated:

>

> The depletion of minerals in our soil has left us deficient of silver, one

> of our most essential trace minerals, causing a drastic increase in immune

> system disorders in our society in the last decade. Research has taught us

that

> all disease is allowed to manifest itself because of a weakened immune

> system. In over 20 years of worldwide research on Colloidal Silver, numerous

> interviews with government agencies, health care practitioners and their

patients,

> no other nutrient, herb or drug (prescription or over-the-counter) is as safe

> and effective against all known forms of unfriendly virus, bacteria, and

> fungus. Additionally, while it is generally known that most antibiotics kill

> only perhaps 6 or 7 different disease organisms, reports have shown that

> Colloidal Silver has been used successfully in the treatment of over 650

diseases!

> Furthermore, strains of disease organisms fail to develop in the presence of

> Colloidal Silver. Colloidal Silver's greatest attribute is its unique ability

>

 

The ad below is from the July 1996 issue of Alternative Medicine Digest.

 

 

 

Critical Studies and Case Reports

In 1995, an herbal distributor named Leslie Taylor tested nine commonly

marketed colloidal silver products available at health-food stores and

concluded:

Two of the products were contaminated with microorganisms.

The amount of silver suspended in solution varied from product to product and

would gradually decrease over time.

Only five products actually showed antibacterial activity in a laboratory

test. To perform the test, she prepared a culture plate with Staphylococcus

aureas bacteria, which can cause infections in humans. She then placed a drop

from

each product on the plate and used disks of two common antibiotics as

controls. After eight hours of incubation, she found that bacterial growth had

been

inhibited around the antibiotics and four of the products.

Of course, the fact that a product inhibits bacteria in a laboratory culture

doesn't mean it is effective (or safe) in the human body. In fact, products

that kill bacteria in the laboratory would be more likely to cause argyria

because they contain more silver ions that are free to deposit in the user's

skin.

FDA laboratory studies have found that the amount of silver in some product

samples has varied from 15.2% to 124% of the amount listed on the product

labels. The amount of silver required to produce argyria is unknown. However,

the

FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any

unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver

products

have been reported:

A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years,

developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high

blood level of silver [4].

A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared

by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a

silver bar [5].

Another couple had been taking a silver-containing " dietary supplement "

prescribed by a naturopath [5].

A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for

about 10 months [5].

Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who

reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions

might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by

electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6].

Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use

inspired by Internet claims [7].

A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after

ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product,

packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive

for

everyday infections [8].

A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed

colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks

later [9].

A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces

of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his

arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple

battery-operated

chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans

from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how

his skin color compares to that of normal skin.

Enforcement Actions

Between October 1993 and September 1994, the FDA issued warning letters to

five colloidal silver marketers::

Higher Education Library Publications (H.E.L.P.), of Springfield, Utah, was

ordered to stop claiming that its colloidal silver product was effective as a

natural antibiotic and might be effective against cancer, genito-urinary

diseases, tuberculosis, and AIDS.

Nutrition, Inc., of Arvada, Colorado, was ordered to stop stating or implying

that its Silvicidal, when administered orally or intravenously, was nontoxic,

FDA-approved, and was a broad-spectrum antibiotic that killed bacteria and

all virus and fungal infections. In addition, it was falsely claimed to be

effective against a long list of specific diseases.

Reseau International of Cincinnati, Ohio was ordered to stop claiming that

its colloidal silver product was a " natural antibiotic and anti-inflammatory

immune system stimulant " and that it was effective against cancer, staph, strep,

influenza, general body infections, inflammation, impaired immune system,

fungus toxicity, tonsillitis, Meniere's symptoms, whooping cough, shingles,

syphilis, cholera, and malaria. The labeling also stated that colloidal silver

could

cause major growth stimulation of human tissues and can regenerate

Silverado Inc., of Bountiful, Utah, was warned to stop making false claims

that its colloidal silver product was effective as an antibiotic,

anti-inflammatory, anti-viral, and anti-fungal agent and that it could stimulate

the immune

system.

Unic, of Carmichael, California, was ordered to stop claiming that its

colloidal silver product was effective against many diseases and could heal

burn-damaged tissue without scarring.

In October 1996, the FDA proposed to ban the use of colloidal silver or

silver salts in over-the-counter products [11]. A Final Rule banning such use

was

issued on August 17, 1999 and became effective September 16th. The rule applies

to any nonprescription colloidal silver or silver salt product claimed to be

effective in preventing or treating any disease [12]. Silver products can

still be sold as " dietary supplements " provided that no health claims are made

for

them. During 2000, <A

HREF= " http://www.fda.gov/cder/warn/cyber/cyber2000.htm " >the FDA issued warnings

to more than 20 companies</A> whose

Web sites were making illegal therapeutic claims for colloidal silver products.

In 2000, the Federal Court of Australia banned Vital Earth Company Pty

Limited and its director Darryl John Jones from falsely representing that the

colloidal silver produced by their " Vital Silver 3000 Zapper, " " Vital Silver

2000

Automatic " and " Vital Silver 2000 " :

Can kill all disease-causing bacteria, fungi and virus within six minutes of

contact

Has no harmful side effects; that colloidal silver could be used as an

antibiotic for all the acquired diseases of active AIDS

Is effective with more than 650 different pathogenic bacteria and virus types

Has been used successfully against diseases including AIDS, cholera,

diabetes, leprosy, leukemia, lupus, skin cancer, syphilis and whooping cough.

The company was also ordered to pay AUS$9000 in costs and to provide refunds

[13].

In 2001, the FTC obtained consent agreements with two companies:

Robert C. Spencer and Lisa M. Spencer, doing business as Aaron Company (Palm

Bay, Florida). Colloidal silver has been medically proven to kill over 650

disease-causing organisms in the body and is effective in curing diseases

ranging

from cancer and multiple sclerosis to HIV/AIDS [14].

ForMor, Inc., doing business as ForMor International, and its president, Stan

Gross (Birmingham, Alabama) agreed not to make unsubstantiated claims that

colloidal silver is effective in treating over 650 infectious diseases, has no

adverse side effects, and is effective against arthritis, blood poisoning,

cancer, cholera, diphtheria, diabetes, dysentery, gonorrhea, herpes, influenza,

leprosy, lupus, malaria, meningitis, rheumatism, shingles, staph infections,

strep infections, syphilis, tuberculosis, whooping cough, and yeast infections

[14].

In 2002, the FTC obtained a consent agreement with Kris Pletschke, doing

business as <A HREF= " http://www.rawhealth.net/ " >Raw Health</A>, agreed to stop

making unsubstantiated claims that its

colloidal silver product could treat or cure 650 different diseases; eliminate

all

pathogens in the human body in six minutes or less; and is medically proven

to kill every destructive bacterial, viral, and fungal organism in the body,

including anthrax, Ebola, Hanta, and flesh-eating bacteria [15].

In 2002, the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration amended its rules so

that water-treatment products containing substances like colloidal silver for

which therapeutic claims are made must meet the requirements of medicines

included in the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods. This means that such

products can no longer be legally marketed without proof that they are safe and

effective for their intended purpose. The amendment was based on clnclusions

that:

There is little evidence to support therapeutic claims made for colloidal

silver products;

The risk to consumers of silver toxicity outweighs the value of trying an

unsubstantiated treatment, and bacterial resistance to silver can occur

Efforts should be made to curb the illegal availability of colloidal silver

products, which is a significant public health issue [16] . References

Product brochure. Changes International, 1997. Downloaded in 1998.

<A

HREF= " http://web.archive.org/web/19981207065006/seasilver.com/productinfo.htm " >S\

easilver International Product Information</A>, accessed October 12, 1998.

Fung MC, Bowen DL. <A

HREF= " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_\

uids=8632503 & dopt=Abstract " >Silver products for medical indications:

risk-benefit

assessment</A>. Journal of Toxicology and Clinical Toxicology 34:119-26, 1996.

Gulbranson SH and others. <A

HREF= " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_\

uids=11107524 & dopt=Abstract " >Argyria following the use of dietary supplements

containing colloidal silver protein</A>. Cutis 66:373-374, 2000.

Hori K and others. Believe it or not -- Silver still poisons! Veterinary and

Human Toxicology 44(5):291-292, 2002.

<A

HREF= " http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0%2C3566%2C64692%2C00.html " >\

Blue Is the color of my candidate's skin</A>. Associated Press, Oct 2, 2002

 

Cohen LE and others. Effects of Internet quackery: Argyria in the silver

state. Federal Practitioner 21(4):9-17, 2004.

 

Wickless SC, Schwader TA. Medical mystery—The answer. New England Journal of

Medicine 352:2349-2350, 2004.

 

Brandt D. Argyia secondary to ingestion of homemade silver solition. Journal

of the American Academy of Dermatology 53:S105-107, 2005.

 

Wadhera A, Fung M. <A

HREF= " http://dermatology.cdlib.org/111/case_reports/argyria/wadhera.html " >System\

ic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal

silver</A>. Dermatology Online Journal 11(1):12, 2005.

<A HREF= " http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aaces002.html " >Federal

Register</A> 61:53685-53688, 1996. (To access this document, search the

1996 volume for " colloidal silver. " )

FDA. <A

HREF= " http://frwebgate4.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=0602827665\

+0+0+0 & WAISaction=retrieve " >Final rule: Over-the-counter drug products

containing colloidal silver

ingredients or silver salts</A>. Federal Register 64:44653-44658, 1999. <A

HREF= " http://frwebgate4.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=0602827665\

+0+1+0 & WAISaction=retrieve " >Download

PDF version</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.casewatch.org/foreign/accc/vital4.shtml " >Refunds for buyers

of alternative therapy devices</A>. News release, Australian

Competition and Consumer Commission, May 5, 2000.

<A HREF= " http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/06/cureall.htm " > " Operation Cure.All " wages

new battle in ongoing war against Internet health

fraud</A>. FTC news release, June 14, 2001.

<A HREF= " http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2002/02/vitalraw.htm " >FTC announces first two

enforcement actions against purveyors of bioterrorism

defense products</A>. FTC news release, Feb 27, 2002.

<A HREF= " http://www.tga.health.gov.au/docs/html/csilver.htm " >Regulation of

colloidal silver and related products</A>. Therapeutic Goods

Administration Web site, Aug 19, 2003. For Further Information

<A HREF= " http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/ " >Rosemary Jacobs</A>, an argyria

victim, has made a detailed study of the

colloidal silver marketplace and is willing to <A

HREF= " rjstan " >answer questions</A>.

This article was revised on August 17, 2005.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you that is good to know. I looked it up after seeing everyone

discussing its benefits and ran into that and was worried. Thanks!

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Renee,

 

Where did you get your colloidal

silver maker? I want one, in case

'gummints' start banning the products.

 

I have instructions on how to make

one, but I am not a handy person.

And where do you get the pure silver?

 

My husband seems to have a real affinity

for it. He reaches for it first, when I go

for the Echinacea.

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Ien. I got mine from Silver Puppy. I had studied about CS makers for a

while and according to many his is one of the best out there, and much

cheaper than most of them. His " name " is Ode Cyote. His web site is

http://silverpuppy.Com/page1b.HTML If you get one (which I suggest everyone

have their own CS maker, as once you have one you can make a GALLON for

about a dollar--the cost of the gallon of distilled water) get the one with

the automatic stirrer. I got mine before he came out with that, and when I

saw he came up with a stirrer I sent for the stirrer, because I have read

where stirring the water during making makes for a much better CS. His unit

will come with everything you need, even the pure silver. He's also a great

guy and will answer any questions you have about making CS, the unit,

anything to do with how CS works, etc. Plus he guarantees his units. When

I sent for the new stirrer I also ordered one of his ppm (parts per million)

measuring units so I could see how high the CS was that I was making. The

unit does all the work and shuts itself off and it's ALWAYS within the 15 to

20ppm range, which is exactly what you want. Plus, you can use the

measuring device to find the best distilled water to make the CS with. It

use to be that Walgreens own brand of distilled water was 5ppm, which is

BEST, but then they changed companies or something and their ppm shot up to

about TEN. I have kept trying all different brands of distilled water--it's

best if it says pure steam distilled, but can't really find anything at less

than 7ppm anymore. I might wind up buying my own steam distiller later to

make my own, as Jason from the silver data web site says that's what he does

and gets usually less that 5ppm making his own.

 

There's lots of plans for building your own CS maker, and I even started to

do that, but after seeing how great the right CS works for burns I just went

ahead and bought Ode's unit. He comes VERY highly recommended by Jason and

others, and I just felt it was not worth my effort to try and build

something when it's Important to get the right ppm of CS. Ode's unit does

it automatically, every time and is only around $130 for the stirring unit.

You set it up, walk away, and when it's done you have perfect CS. I

actually bought one of those 5 gallon water bottles and made 5 gallons of CS

to have on hand in case of any type of emergency, because it can take up to

6 to 8 hours to make a gallon of CS, though you can make a quart in only a

couple hours. But in an emergency--well, I wanted a LOT. It keeps forever

so I didn't have to worry about degradation.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

----

 

Where did you get your colloidal

Silver maker? I want one, in case

'gummints' start banning the products.

 

I have instructions on how to make

One, but I am not a handy person.

And where do you get the pure silver?

[Guest guest]

I agree. I saw everyone talking about how great its benefits are and wanted

to look into all it is good for and the first thing that pops up is something

saying it is bad. It scared me at first until I asked about it here. I dont see

why they want to scare people like that. Things that really do have side

effects they hide. I had an IUD as birth control. Was told it is harmless. I

ended

up with an ovarian cyst the size of a grapefruit in which lost my right

ovary in the removal process. I also lost the first child I got pregnant with

after the IUD was removed and I lost that child at 18 weeks! I was never told

there is a chance of ovarian cysts due to IUD, until AFTER I had one! I would

have

much rather known that and been warned of that then of skin discoloration.

Thank you for hyelping to clear up all the confusion on CS for me

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

CS is not illegal, the medical CLAIMS for it are. And Argyria comes from

drinking lots of the wrong type of CS. That's CS made with large silver

salt particles. There use to be no cure for the skin color change, but

there is now. Still, no one should be drinking the wrong type of CS. It

all depends on how it's made--they use to say add some salt to the CS while

being made, but that is wrong. All you use is distilled water and pure,

fine silver. NOT sterling silver as sterling has other metals added for

strength. If done correctly, CS is totally safe--as a matter of fact it's

what hospitals put into babies' eyes when born.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

----

 

From what this says, non prescription CS is illegal.

[Guest guest]

why do pepple lie so much about colloidal silver ? its good and its

harmless, and these drug gurus, want everyone sick, and they fail to

tell , the nose drops that caused people to turn silver was silver

nitrates, not the colloidal silver as we know, quit lieing and and

stay healthy with colloidal silver , ive used it for 15 years, and im

never sick at 63 years old bobby

>

> Renee,

>

> Where did you get your colloidal

> silver maker? I want one, in case

> 'gummints' start banning the products.

>

> I have instructions on how to make

> one, but I am not a handy person.

> And where do you get the pure silver?

>

> My husband seems to have a real affinity

> for it. He reaches for it first, when I go

> for the Echinacea.

>

> Ien in the Kootenays

> http://freegreenliving.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lisa asked:

I dont see

why they want to scare people like that.

 

Follow the money!

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com

 

 

[Guest guest]

>really robert u used that so what are the effects and the side

effect of it im just want to

know.......... , " ROBERT MCDERMID

SR. " <robertjmcdermid wrote:

>

> why do pepple lie so much about colloidal silver ? its good and

its

> harmless, and these drug gurus, want everyone sick, and they fail

to

> tell , the nose drops that caused people to turn silver was silver

> nitrates, not the colloidal silver as we know, quit lieing and

and

> stay healthy with colloidal silver , ive used it for 15 years, and

im

> never sick at 63 years old bobby

> >

> > Renee,

> >

> > Where did you get your colloidal

> > silver maker? I want one, in case

> > 'gummints' start banning the products.

> >

> > I have instructions on how to make

> > one, but I am not a handy person.

> > And where do you get the pure silver?

> >

> > My husband seems to have a real affinity

> > for it. He reaches for it first, when I go

> > for the Echinacea.

> >

> > Ien in the Kootenays

> > http://freegreenliving.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Very true about argyria coming from the wrong type of CS (with added

salts). If you are going to make CS, use distilled water. It is not the

amount of CS ingested, it is the way it is made.

 

I've used CS for a number of years (as have a number of people I know) with

no side effects.

 

Keria

 

Keria Rossin

Administrative Assistant

University of Michigan - TCAUP

2000 Bonisteel Blvd.

Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069

T. 734.764.1300

F. 734.763.2322

 

Expect a miracle!

[Guest guest]

For instructions on building your own CS maker, or info on CS in

general, check out the microelectricitygermkiller.

 

 

 

, Keria Rossin <krossin

wrote:

>

> Very true about argyria coming from the wrong type of CS (with

added

> salts). If you are going to make CS, use distilled water. It is

not the

> amount of CS ingested, it is the way it is made.

>

> I've used CS for a number of years (as have a number of people I

know) with

> no side effects.

>

> Keria

>

> Keria Rossin

> Administrative Assistant

> University of Michigan - TCAUP

> 2000 Bonisteel Blvd.

> Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069

> T. 734.764.1300

> F. 734.763.2322

>

> Expect a miracle!

>

[Guest guest]

was unable to reach the site with the link you provided.

I got there with this : _http://www.silverpuppy.com_

(http://www.silverpuppy.com)

Very interesting, thanks for posting this info.It is now called coyote

zenterprizes

Peace, Thyme

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

They put it in all babies eyes right after birth. It is to prevent infection

due to coming through the birth canal. I cant remember what it is

exactly(staph maybe?) but they put it there to prevent this, it can cause

blindness if

they child gets it. They dont even tell you about it always, it is just part of

the process of cleaning them up after birth, so you may not have known they did

it.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

I dont know much at all about CS but I am curious as to why the put

it in babies eyes? I have had 3 children and none of them had it

put in there eyes.

 

Regards

Caroline

http://alwaysnaturallygreat.com

 

 

 

, " Renee " <gaiacita

wrote:

>

> CS is not illegal, the medical CLAIMS for it are. And Argyria

comes from

> drinking lots of the wrong type of CS. That's CS made with large

silver

> salt particles. There use to be no cure for the skin color

change, but

> there is now. Still, no one should be drinking the wrong type of

CS. It

> all depends on how it's made--they use to say add some salt to the

CS while

> being made, but that is wrong. All you use is distilled water and

pure,

> fine silver. NOT sterling silver as sterling has other metals

added for

> strength. If done correctly, CS is totally safe--as a matter of

fact it's

> what hospitals put into babies' eyes when born.

>

> Samala,

> Renee

>

> ----

>

> From what this says, non prescription CS is illegal.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Hospitals in the USA used to put silver nitrate( not col.

silver) in newborn's eyes to prevent blindness from social diseases.

This practice was stopped 25+ years ago.

Namaste,

David

 

 

 

In , " Caroline "

<Alwaysnaturallygreat wrote:

>

> Hi

>

> I dont know much at all about CS but I am curious as to why the

put

> it in babies eyes? I have had 3 children and none of them had it

> put in there eyes.

>

> Regards

> Caroline

> http://alwaysnaturallygreat.com

>

>

>

> , " Renee " <gaiacita@>

> wrote:

> >

> > CS is not illegal, the medical CLAIMS for it are. And Argyria

> comes from

> > drinking lots of the wrong type of CS. That's CS made with

large

> silver

> > salt particles. There use to be no cure for the skin color

> change, but

> > there is now. Still, no one should be drinking the wrong type

of

> CS. It

> > all depends on how it's made--they use to say add some salt to

the

> CS while

> > being made, but that is wrong. All you use is distilled water

and

> pure,

> > fine silver. NOT sterling silver as sterling has other metals

> added for

> > strength. If done correctly, CS is totally safe--as a matter of

> fact it's

> > what hospitals put into babies' eyes when born.

> >

> > Samala,

> > Renee

> >

> > ----

> >

> > From what this says, non prescription CS is illegal.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

my understanding is that years ago they put silver nitrate in the baby's eyes,

but since the AMA took over, they now use an antibiotic. Has this now been

changed or do you go to som kind of holistic hospital. I can see a DO hosp using

CS.

 

Rev. Matthew M. Curtin Managing Director

www.icupartners.com www.icuhealthy.com 484-798-7000

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Silver nitrate I believe they used,

and it stings the poor things' eyes.

My babies had it done, I was still

trusting " the System " in those days.

(my youngest is 27)

 

The policy started to prevent blindness

in babies who were exposed to Gonorhea

during the birth process.

Not a chance in my case! But the powers

that be decided to do it to everyone,

because people often lie about such

diseases.

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com

 

 

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I didn't think my kids had it done - my oldest is 12yrs and his

birth didn't quite go the way I expected!!! however with my girls

aged 5yrs & 6.5yrs I was calling the shots and things were done my

way - both my girls were delivered straight to my breast and they

never left mine or my husbands sight the whole time I was in

hospital.

 

Regards

Caroline

http://alwaysnaturallygreat.com

 

 

, " Ieneke van Houten "

<ienvan wrote:

>

> Silver nitrate I believe they used,

> and it stings the poor things' eyes.

> My babies had it done, I was still

> trusting " the System " in those days.

> (my youngest is 27)

>

> The policy started to prevent blindness

> in babies who were exposed to Gonorhea

> during the birth process.

> Not a chance in my case! But the powers

> that be decided to do it to everyone,

> because people often lie about such

> diseases.

>

> Ien in the Kootenays

> http://freegreenliving.com

>

>