Fw: Before You Go buy that Duct Tape

February 19, 2003

Transpersonal_Psychology , " Travis Clementsmith

<tclementsmith> " <tclementsmith> wrote:

Knowledge is power.

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The Sight M1911

A Soldier's Viewpoint on Surviving Nuclear, Chemical and Biological

Attacks

SFC Red Thomas (Ret)

Armor Master Gunner

Mesa, AZ

Unlimited reproduction and distribution is authorized. Just give me

credit for my work, and, keep in context.

Since the media has decided to scare everyone with predictions of

chemical, biological, or nuclear warfare on our turf I decided to

write a paper and keep things in their proper perspective. I am a

retired military weapons, munitions, and training expert.

Lesson number one: In the mid 1990s there were a series of nerve gas

attacks on crowded Japanese subway stations. Given perfect conditions

for an attack less than 10% of the people there were injured (the

injured were better in a few hours) and only one percent of the

injured died.

60 Minutes once had a fellow telling us that one drop of nerve gas

could kill a thousand people, well he didn't tell you the thousand

dead people per drop was theoretical.

Drill Sergeants exaggerate how terrible this stuff was to keep the

recruits awake in class (I know this because I was a Drill Sergeant

too). Forget everything you've ever seen on TV, in the movies, or

read in a novel about this stuff, it was all a lie (read this

sentence again out loud!). These weapons are about terror, if you

remain calm, you will probably not die. This is far less scary than

the media and their " Experts, " make it sound.

Chemical Weapons

Chemical weapons are categorized as nerve, blood, blister, and

Incapacitating agents. Contrary to the hype of reporters and

politicians they are not weapons of mass destruction they are " area

denial, " and terror weapons that don't destroy anything. When you

leave the area you almost always leave the risk. That's the

difference; you can leave the area and the risk but soldiers may

have to stay put and sit through it and that's why they need all

that spiffy gear.

These are not gasses, they are vapors and/or air borne particles. The

agent must be delivered in sufficient quantity to kill/injure, and

that defines when/how it's used. Every day we have a morning and

evening inversion where " stuff, " suspended in the air gets pushed

down. This inversion is why allergies (pollen) and air pollution are

worst at these times of the day.

So, a chemical attack will have it's best effect an hour of so either

side of sunrise/sunset. Also, being vapors and airborne particles

they are heavier than air so they will seek low places like ditches,

basements and underground garages. This stuff won't work when it's

freezing, it doesn't last when it's hot, and wind spreads it too thin

too fast. They've got to get this stuff on you, or, get you to

inhale it for it to work. They also have to get the concentration of

chemicals high enough to kill or wound you. Too little and it's

nothing, too much and it's wasted.

What I hope you've gathered by this point is that a chemical weapons

attack that kills a lot of people is incredibly hard to do with

military grade agents and equipment so you can imagine how hard it

will be for terrorists. The more you know about this stuff the more

you realize how hard it is to use.

We'll start by talking about nerve agents. You have these in your

house, plain old bug killer (like Raid) is nerve agent. All nerve

agents work the same way; they are cholinesterase inhibitors that

mess up the signals your nervous system uses to make your body

function. It can harm you if you get it on your skin but it works

best if they can get you to inhale it. If you don't die in the first

minute and you can leave the area you're probably gonna live. The

military's antidote for all nerve agents is atropine and pralidoxime

chloride. Neither one of these does anything to cure the nerve

agent, they send your body into overdrive to keep you alive for five

minutes, after that the agent is used up. Your best protection is

fresh air and staying calm.

Listed below are the symptoms for nerve agent poisoning:

Sudden headache, Dimness of vision (someone you're looking at will

have pinpointed pupils), runny nose, excessive saliva or drooling,

difficulty breathing, tightness in chest, nausea, stomach cramps,

twitching of exposed skin where a liquid just got on you.

If you are in public and you start experiencing these symptoms, first

ask yourself, did anything out of the ordinary just happen, a loud

pop, did someone spray something on the crowd? Are other people

getting sick too? Is there an odor of new mown hay, green corn,

something fruity, or camphor where it shouldn't be? If the answer is

yes, then calmly (if you panic you breathe faster and inhale more

air/poison) leave the area and head up wind, or, outside.

Fresh air is the best " right now antidote. " If you have a blob of

liquid that looks like molasses or Kayro syrup on you; blot it or

scrape it off and away from yourself with anything disposable. This

stuff works based on your body weight, what a crop duster uses to

kill bugs won't hurt you unless you stand there and breathe it in

real deep, then lick the residue off the ground for a while.

Remember they have to do all the work, they have to get the

concentration up and keep it up for several minutes while all you

have to do is quit getting it on you/quit breathing it by putting

space between you and the attack.

Blood agents are cyanide or arsine which effect your blood's ability

to provide oxygen to your tissue. The scenario for attack would be

the same as nerve agent. Look for a pop or someone

splashing/spraying something and folks around there getting

woozy/falling down. The telltale smells are bitter almonds or garlic

where it shouldn't be. The symptoms are blue lips, blue under the

fingernails rapid breathing.

The military's antidote is amyl nitride and just like nerve agent

antidote it just keeps your body working for five minutes till the

toxins are used up. Fresh air is the your best individual chance.

Blister agents (distilled mustard) are so nasty that nobody wants to

even handle it let alone use it. It's almost impossible to handle

safely and may have delayed effect of up to 12 hours. The attack

scenario is also limited to the things you'd see from other

chemicals. If you do get large, painful blisters for no apparent

reason, don't pop them, if you must, don't let the liquid from the

blister get on any other area, the stuff just keeps on spreading.

It's just as likely to harm the user as the target. Soap, water,

sunshine, and fresh air are this stuff's enemy.

Bottom line on chemical weapons (it's the same if they use industrial

chemical spills); they are intended to make you panic, to terrorize

you, to heard you like sheep to the wolves. If there is an attack,

leave the area and go upwind, or to the sides of the wind stream.

They have to get the stuff to you, and on you. You're more likely to

be hurt by a drunk driver on any given day than be hurt by one of

these attacks. Your odds get better if you leave the area. Soap,

water, time, and fresh air really deal this stuff a knock-out-punch.

Don't let fear of an isolated attack rule your life. The odds are

really on your side.

Nuclear Weapons

Nuclear bombs. These are the only weapons of mass destruction on

earth. The effects of a nuclear bomb are heat, blast, EMP, and

radiation. If you see a bright flash of light like the sun, where

the sun isn't, fall to the ground! The heat will be over a second.

Then there will be two blast waves, one out going, and one on it's

way back. Don't stand up to see what happened after the first wave;

anything that's going to happen will have happened in two full

minutes.

These will be low yield devices and will not level whole cities. If

you live through the heat, blast, and initial burst of radiation,

you'll probably live for a very, very long time. Radiation will not

create fifty foot tall women, or giant ants and grass hoppers the

size of tanks. These will be at the most 1 kiloton bombs; that's the

equivalent of 1,000 tons of TNT.

Here's the real deal, flying debris and radiation will kill a lot of

exposed (not all!) people within a half mile of the blast. Under

perfect conditions this is about a half mile circle of death and

destruction, but, when it's done it's done. EMP stands for Electro

Magnetic Pulse and it will fry every electronic device for a good

distance, it's impossible to say what and how far but probably not

over a couple of miles from ground zero is a good guess. Cars, cell

phones, computers, ATMs, you name it, all will be out of order.

There are lots of kinds of radiation, you only need to worry about

three, the others you have lived with for years. You need to worry

about " Ionizing radiation, " these are little sub atomic particles

that go whizzing along at the speed of light. They hit individual

cells in your body, kill the nucleus and keep on going. That's how

you get radiation poisoning, you have so many dead cells in your

body that the decaying cells poison you.

It's the same as people getting radiation treatments for cancer,

only a bigger area gets radiated. The good news is you don't have to

just sit there and take it, and there's lots you can do rather than

panic. First; your skin will stop alpha particles, a page of a news

paper or your clothing will stop beta particles, you just gotta try

and avoid inhaling dust that's contaminated with atoms that are

emitting these things and you'll be generally safe from them.

Gamma rays are particles that travel like rays (quantum physics

makes my brain hurt) and they create the same damage as alpha and

beta particles only they keep going and kill lots of cells as they

go all the way through your body. It takes a lot to stop these

things, lots of dense material, on the other hand it takes a lot of

this to kill you.

Your defense is as always to not panic. Basic hygiene and normal

preparation are your friends. All canned or frozen food is safe to

eat. The radiation poisoning will not effect plants so fruits and

vegetables are OK if there's no dust on em (rinse em off if there

is). If you don't have running water and you need to collect rain

water or use water from wherever, just let it sit for thirty minutes

and skim off the water gently from the top. The dust with the bad

stuff in it will settle and the remaining water can be used for the

toilet which will still work if you have a bucket of water to pour

in the tank.

Biological Weapons

Finally there's biological warfare. There's not much to cover here.

Basic personal hygiene and sanitation will take you further than a

million doctors. Wash your hands often, don't share drinks, food,

sloppy kisses, etc., .... with strangers. Keep your garbage can with

a tight lid on it, don't have standing water (like old buckets,

ditches, or kiddie pools) laying around to allow mosquitoes breeding

room. This stuff is carried by vectors, that is bugs, rodents, and

contaminated material. If biological warfare is so easy as the TV

makes it sound, why has Saddam Hussein spent twenty years, millions,

and millions of dollars trying to get it right? If you're clean of

person and home you eat well and are active you're gonna live.

Overall preparation for any terrorist attack is the same as you'd

take for a big storm. If you want a gas mask, fine, go get one. I

know this stuff and I'm not getting one and I told my Mom not to

bother with one either (how's that for confidence). We have a week's

worth of cash, several days worth of canned goods and plenty of soap

and water. We don't leave stuff out to attract bugs or rodents so we

don't have them.

These people can't conceive a nation this big with this much

resources. These weapons are made to cause panic, terror, and to

demoralize. If we don't run around like sheep they won't use this

stuff after they find out it's no fun. The government is going nuts

over this stuff because they have to protect every inch of America.

You've only gotta protect yourself, and by doing that, you help the

country.

Finally, there are millions of caveats to everything I wrote here and

you can think up specific scenarios where my advice isn't the best.

This letter is supposed to help the greatest number of people under

the greatest number of situations. If you don't like my work, don't

nit pick, just sit down and explain chemical, nuclear, and biological

warfare in a document around three pages long yourself. This is how

we the people of the United States can rob these people of their most

desired goal, your terror.

SFC Red Thomas (Ret)

Armor Master Gunner

Mesa, AZ

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/other/nbc.htm

--- End forwarded message ---

February 20, 2003

No not living in fear.... (at least for me)... i just like to know the facts.... I believe when it is your time there is nothing you can do.... I lost an aunt and cousin on TWA Flight 800.... they had made the trip to Paris many times before.... this time it was their time not to come back to us.... There is nothing you can do when your time is up...but you can be prepared either way even if it isn't your time to go... Panic.... doesn't help anything... being prepared in all aspects of life though is another story. My philosophy is "I don't want to go meet my Maker and have him say... It wasn't your time, IF ONLY... you had been prepared or IF ONLY you had tried this remedy... or IF ONLY..... Too many of us go thru life saying IF ONLY

IF ONLY....... I like to know all the "onlys" so I don't have to worry about the "ifs"

Suzi

Ilana Grostern <ilana wrote:

Do all of you spend so much time living in fear like this? I find it really disturbing that there would even be this sort of discussion on the board. I mean, yes, terrorism is a very real threat, but why live your life in constant fear of it? As a Canadian I just can't understand living like this, though I get an idea of why you are all so scared every time I turn on American television!ILANA xoxoSuzanne Nottmeier wrote:> Red,>> this was really great reading... thank you for the "light"... I'm > going to share this with my family and friends.... i wondered how much > was hype of what we've been hearing.... now I know...>> Suzi>> WillowShade40 wrote:>> Transpersonal_Psychology , "Travis Clementsmith> " wrote:> Knowledge is power.> *********************************************************************> The Sight M1911>> A Soldier's Viewpoint on Surviving Nuclear, Chemical and Biological> Attacks> SFC Red Thomas (Ret)> Armor Master Gunner> Mesa, AZ>> Unlimited reproduction and distribution is authorized. Just give me> credit for my work, and, keep in context.>> Since the media has decided to scare everyone with predictions of> chemical, biological, or nuclear warfare on our turf I decided to> write a paper and keep things in their proper perspective. I am a> retired military weapons, munitions, and training expert.>> Lesson number one: In the mid 1990s there were a series of nerve gas> attacks on crowded Japanese subway stations. Given perfect conditions> for an attack less than 10% of the people there were injured (the> injured were better in a few hours) and only one percent of the> injured died.>> 60 Minutes once had a fellow telling us that one drop of nerve gas> could kill a thousand people, well he didn't tell you the thousand> dead people per drop was theoretical.>> Drill Sergeants exaggerate how terrible this stuff was to keep the> recruits awake in class (I know this because I was a Drill Sergeant> too). Forget everything you've ever seen on TV, in the movies, or> read in a novel about this stuff, it was all a lie (read this> sentence again out loud!). These weapons are about terror, if you> remain calm, you will probably not die. This is far less scary than> the media and their "Experts," make it sound.>> Chemical Weapons>> Chemical weapons are categorized as nerve, blood, blister, and> Incapacitating agents. Contrary to the hype of reporters and> politicians they are not weapons of mass destruction they are "area> denial," and terror weapons that don't destroy anything. When you> leave the area you almost always leave the risk. That's the> difference; you can leave the area and the risk but soldiers may> have to stay put and sit through it and that's why they need all> that spiffy gear.>> These are not gasses, they are vapors and/or air borne particles. The> agent must be delivered in sufficient quantity to kill/injure, and> that defines when/how it's used. Every day we have a morning and> evening inversion where "stuff," suspended in the air gets pushed> down. This inversion is why allergies (pollen) and air pollution are> worst at these times of the day.>> So, a chemical attack will have it's best effect an hour of so either> side of sunrise/sunset. Also, being vapors and airborne particles> they are heavier than air so they will seek low places like ditches,> basements and underground garages. This stuff won't work when it's> freezing, it doesn't last when it's hot, and wind spreads it too thin> too fast. They've got to get this stuff on you, or, get you to> inhale it for it to work. They also have to get the concentration of> chemicals high enough to kill or wound you. Too little and it's> nothing, too much and it's wasted.>> What I hope you've gathered by this point is that a chemical weapons> attack that kills a lot of people is incredibly hard to do with> military grade agents and equipment so you can imagine how hard it> will be for terrorists. The more you know about this stuff the more> you realize how hard it is to use.>> We'll start by talking about nerve agents. You have these in your> house, plain old bug killer (like Raid) is nerve agent. All nerve> agents work the same way; they are cholinesterase inhibitors that> mess up the signals your nervous system uses to make your body> function. It can harm you if you get it on your skin but it works> best if they can get you to inhale it. If you don't die in the first> minute and you can leave the area you're probably gonna live. The> military's antidote for all nerve agents is atropine and pralidoxime> chloride. Neither one of these does anything to cure the nerve> agent, they send your body into overdrive to keep you alive for five> minutes, after that the agent is used up. Your best protection is> fresh air and staying calm.>> Listed below are the symptoms for nerve agent poisoning:>> Sudden headache, Dimness of vision (someone you're looking at will> have pinpointed pupils), runny nose, excessive saliva or drooling,> difficulty breathing, tightness in chest, nausea, stomach cramps,> twitching of exposed skin where a liquid just got on you.>> If you are in public and you start experiencing these symptoms, first> ask yourself, did anything out of the ordinary just happen, a loud> pop, did someone spray something on the crowd? Are other people> getting sick too? Is there an odor of new mown hay, green corn,> something fruity, or camphor where it shouldn't be? If the answer is> yes, then calmly (if you panic you breathe faster and inhale more> air/poison) leave the area and head up wind, or, outside.>> Fresh air is the best "right now antidote." If you have a blob of> liquid that looks like molasses or Kayro syrup on you; blot it or> scrape it off and away from yourself with anything disposable. This> stuff works based on your body weight, what a crop duster uses to> kill bugs won't hurt you unless you stand there and breathe it in> real deep, then lick the residue off the ground for a while.> Remember they have to do all the work, they have to get the> concentration up and keep it up for several minutes while all you> have to do is quit getting it on you/quit breathing it by putting> space between you and the attack.>> Blood agents are cyanide or arsine which effect your blood's ability> to provide oxygen to your tissue. The scenario for attack would be> the same as nerve agent. Look for a pop or someone> splashing/spraying something and folks around there getting> woozy/falling down. The telltale smells are bitter almonds or garlic> where it shouldn't be. The symptoms are blue lips, blue under the> fingernails rapid breathing.>> The military's antidote is amyl nitride and just like nerve agent> antidote it just keeps your body working for five minutes till the> toxins are used up. Fresh air is the your best individual chance.>> Blister agents (distilled mustard) are so nasty that nobody wants to> even handle it let alone use it. It's almost impossible to handle> safely and may have delayed effect of up to 12 hours. The attack> scenario is also limited to the things you'd see from other> chemicals. If you do get large, painful blisters for no apparent> reason, don't pop them, if you must, don't let the liquid from the> blister get on any other area, the stuff just keeps on spreading.> It's just as likely to harm the user as the target. Soap, water,> sunshine, and fresh air are this stuff's enemy.>> Bottom line on chemical weapons (it's the same if they use industrial> chemical spills); they are intended to make you panic, to terrorize> you, to heard you like sheep to the wolves. If there is an attack,> leave the area and go upwind, or to the sides of the wind stream.> They have to get the stuff to you, and on you. You're more likely to> be hurt by a drunk driver on any given day than be hurt by one of> these attacks. Your odds get better if you leave the area. Soap,> water, time, and fresh air really deal this stuff a knock-out-punch.> Don't let fear of an isolated attack rule your life. The odds are> really on your side.>> Nuclear Weapons>> Nuclear bombs. These are the only weapons of mass destruction on> earth. The effects of a nuclear bomb are heat, blast, EMP, and> radiation. If you see a bright flash of light like the sun, where> the sun isn't, fall to the ground! The heat will be over a second.> Then there will be two blast waves, one out going, and one on it's> way back. Don't stand up to see what happened after the first wave;> anything that's going to happen will have happened in two full> minutes.>> These will be low yield devices and will not level whole cities. If> you live through the heat, blast, and initial burst of radiation,> you'll probably live for a very, very long time. Radiation will not> create fifty foot tall women, or giant ants and grass hoppers the> size of tanks. These will be at the most 1 kiloton bombs; that's the> equivalent of 1,000 tons of TNT.>> Here's the real deal, flying debris and radiation will kill a lot of> exposed (not all!) people within a half mile of the blast. Under> perfect conditions this is about a half mile circle of death and> destruction, but, when it's done it's done. EMP stands for Electro> Magnetic Pulse and it will fry every electronic device for a good> distance, it's impossible to say what and how far but probably not> over a couple of miles from ground zero is a good guess. Cars, cell> phones, computers, ATMs, you name it, all will be out of order.>> There are lots of kinds of radiation, you only need to worry about> three, the others you have lived with for years. You need to worry> about "Ionizing radiation," these are little sub atomic particles> that go whizzing along at the speed of light. They hit individual> cells in your body, kill the nucleus and keep on going. That's how> you get radiation poisoning, you have so many dead cells in your> body that the decaying cells poison you.>> It's the same as people getting radiation treatments for cancer,> only a bigger area gets radiated. The good news is you don't have to> just sit there and take it, and there's lots you can do rather than> panic. First; your skin will stop alpha particles, a page of a news> paper or your clothing will stop beta particles, you just gotta try> and avoid inhaling dust that's contaminated with atoms that are> emitting these things and you'll be generally safe from them.>> Gamma rays are particles that travel like rays (quantum physics> makes my brain hurt) and they create the same damage as alpha and> beta particles only they keep going and kill lots of cells as they> go all the way through your body. It takes a lot to stop these> things, lots of dense material, on the other hand it takes a lot of> this to kill you.>> Your defense is as always to not panic. Basic hygiene and normal> preparation are your friends. All canned or frozen food is safe to> eat. The radiation poisoning will not effect plants so fruits and> vegetables are OK if there's no dust on em (rinse em off if there> is). If you don't have running water and you need to collect rain> water or use water from wherever, just let it sit for thirty minutes> and skim off the water gently from the top. The dust with the bad> stuff in it will settle and the remaining water can be used for the> toilet which will still work if you have a bucket of water to pour> in the tank.>> Biological Weapons>> Finally there's biological warfare. There's not much to cover here.> Basic personal hygiene and sanitation will take you further than a> million doctors. Wash your hands often, don't share drinks, food,> sloppy kisses, etc., .... with strangers. Keep your garbage can with> a tight lid on it, don't have standing water (like old buckets,> ditches, or kiddie pools) laying around to allow mosquitoes breeding> room. This stuff is carried by vectors, that is bugs, rodents, and> contaminated material. If biological warfare is so easy as the TV> makes it sound, why has Saddam Hussein spent twenty years, millions,> and millions of dollars trying to get it right? If you're clean of> person and home you eat well and are active you're gonna live.>> Overall preparation for any terrorist attack is the same as you'd> take for a big storm. If you want a gas mask, fine, go get one. I> know this stuff and I'm not getting one and I told my Mom not to> bother with one either (how's that for confidence). We have a week's> worth of cash, several days worth of canned goods and plenty of soap> and water. We don't leave stuff out to attract bugs or rodents so we> don't have them.>> These people can't conceive a nation this big with this much> resources. These weapons are made to cause panic, terror, and to> demoralize. If we don't run around like sheep they won't use this> stuff after they find out it's no fun. The government is going nuts> over this stuff because they have to protect every inch of America.> You've only gotta protect yourself, and by doing that, you help the> country.>> Finally, there are millions of caveats to everything I wrote here and> you can think up specific scenarios where my advice isn't the best.> This letter is supposed to help the greatest number of people under> the greatest number of situations. If you don't like my work, don't> nit pick, just sit down and explain chemical, nuclear, and biological> warfare in a document around three pages long yourself. This is how> we the people of the United States can rob these people of their most> desired goal, your terror.>> SFC Red Thomas (Ret)> Armor Master Gunner> Mesa, AZ>> http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/other/nbc.htm> --- End forwarded message --->>> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any> natural remedy.> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own> physician and to> prescribe for your own health.> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here> as long as> they behave themselves.> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and> any person> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own> risk.> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or> products from list members, you are agreeing to> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner> and members free of any liability.>> Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington>

February 20, 2003

Damn, but that's a mighty fine article. It is very accurate, and not even political ;o)

The only thing that I could possibly add to it is that there is one thing more damaging than our own "Fear" and that is APATHY!!!

To sit back and do nothing. To give up and feel that it is all hopeless. This happens to be one of the mental byproducts of toooooo much exposure to radiation by the way, which is why atomics are so completely destructive, regardless of how close you are to ground zero.

Love,

Doc

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

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WillowShade40

herbal remedies

Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:55 PM

[herbal remedies] Fw: Before You Go buy that Duct Tape

A Soldier's Viewpoint on Surviving Nuclear, Chemical and BiologicalAttacks SFC Red Thomas (Ret)Armor Master GunnerMesa, AZUnlimited reproduction and distribution is authorized. Just give mecredit for my work, and, keep in context.Since the media has decided to scare everyone with predictions ofchemical, biological, or nuclear warfare on our turf I decided to write a paper and keep things in their proper perspective. I am a retired military weapons, munitions, and training expert.Lesson number one: In the mid 1990s there were a series of nerve gasattacks on crowded Japanese subway stations. Given perfect conditionsfor an attack less than 10% of the people there were injured (theinjured were better in a few hours) and only one percent of the injured died.60 Minutes once had a fellow telling us that one drop of nerve gas could kill a thousand people, well he didn't tell you the thousand dead people per drop was theoretical.Drill Sergeants exaggerate how terrible this stuff was to keep therecruits awake in class (I know this because I was a Drill Sergeanttoo). Forget everything you've ever seen on TV, in the movies, or read in a novel about this stuff, it was all a lie (read this sentence again out loud!). These weapons are about terror, if you remain calm, you will probably not die. This is far less scary than the media and their "Experts," make it sound.Chemical WeaponsChemical weapons are categorized as nerve, blood, blister, andIncapacitating agents. Contrary to the hype of reporters and politicians they are not weapons of mass destruction they are "area denial," and terror weapons that don't destroy anything. When you leave the area you almost always leave the risk. That's the difference; you can leave the area and the risk but soldiers may have to stay put and sit through it and that's why they need all that spiffy gear.These are not gasses, they are vapors and/or air borne particles. Theagent must be delivered in sufficient quantity to kill/injure, and that defines when/how it's used. Every day we have a morning and evening inversion where "stuff," suspended in the air gets pushed down. This inversion is why allergies (pollen) and air pollution are worst at these times of the day.So, a chemical attack will have it's best effect an hour of so eitherside of sunrise/sunset. Also, being vapors and airborne particles they are heavier than air so they will seek low places like ditches,basements and underground garages. This stuff won't work when it'sfreezing, it doesn't last when it's hot, and wind spreads it too thintoo fast. They've got to get this stuff on you, or, get you to inhale it for it to work. They also have to get the concentration of chemicals high enough to kill or wound you. Too little and it's nothing, too much and it's wasted.What I hope you've gathered by this point is that a chemical weaponsattack that kills a lot of people is incredibly hard to do with military grade agents and equipment so you can imagine how hard it will be for terrorists. The more you know about this stuff the more you realize how hard it is to use.We'll start by talking about nerve agents. You have these in your house, plain old bug killer (like Raid) is nerve agent. All nerve agents work the same way; they are cholinesterase inhibitors that mess up the signals your nervous system uses to make your body function. It can harm you if you get it on your skin but it works best if they can get you to inhale it. If you don't die in the first minute and you can leave the area you're probably gonna live. The military's antidote for all nerve agents is atropine and pralidoxime chloride. Neither one of these does anything to cure the nerve agent, they send your body into overdrive to keep you alive for five minutes, after that the agent is used up. Your best protection is fresh air and staying calm.Listed below are the symptoms for nerve agent poisoning:Sudden headache, Dimness of vision (someone you're looking at will have pinpointed pupils), runny nose, excessive saliva or drooling, difficulty breathing, tightness in chest, nausea, stomach cramps, twitching of exposed skin where a liquid just got on you.If you are in public and you start experiencing these symptoms, firstask yourself, did anything out of the ordinary just happen, a loud pop, did someone spray something on the crowd? Are other people getting sick too? Is there an odor of new mown hay, green corn, something fruity, or camphor where it shouldn't be? If the answer is yes, then calmly (if you panic you breathe faster and inhale more air/poison) leave the area and head up wind, or, outside.Fresh air is the best "right now antidote." If you have a blob of liquid that looks like molasses or Kayro syrup on you; blot it or scrape it off and away from yourself with anything disposable. This stuff works based on your body weight, what a crop duster uses to kill bugs won't hurt you unless you stand there and breathe it in real deep, then lick the residue off the ground for a while. Remember they have to do all the work, they have to get the concentration up and keep it up for several minutes while all you have to do is quit getting it on you/quit breathing it by putting space between you and the attack.Blood agents are cyanide or arsine which effect your blood's ability to provide oxygen to your tissue. The scenario for attack would be the same as nerve agent. Look for a pop or someone splashing/spraying something and folks around there getting woozy/falling down. The telltale smells are bitter almonds or garlic where it shouldn't be. The symptoms are blue lips, blue under the fingernails rapid breathing.The military's antidote is amyl nitride and just like nerve agentantidote it just keeps your body working for five minutes till thetoxins are used up. Fresh air is the your best individual chance.Blister agents (distilled mustard) are so nasty that nobody wants toeven handle it let alone use it. It's almost impossible to handle safely and may have delayed effect of up to 12 hours. The attack scenario is also limited to the things you'd see from other chemicals. If you do get large, painful blisters for no apparent reason, don't pop them, if you must, don't let the liquid from the blister get on any other area, the stuff just keeps on spreading. It's just as likely to harm the user as the target. Soap, water, sunshine, and fresh air are this stuff's enemy.Bottom line on chemical weapons (it's the same if they use industrialchemical spills); they are intended to make you panic, to terrorize you, to heard you like sheep to the wolves. If there is an attack, leave the area and go upwind, or to the sides of the wind stream. They have to get the stuff to you, and on you. You're more likely to be hurt by a drunk driver on any given day than be hurt by one of these attacks. Your odds get better if you leave the area. Soap, water, time, and fresh air really deal this stuff a knock-out-punch. Don't let fear of an isolated attack rule your life. The odds are really on your side.Nuclear WeaponsNuclear bombs. These are the only weapons of mass destruction on earth. The effects of a nuclear bomb are heat, blast, EMP, and radiation. If you see a bright flash of light like the sun, where the sun isn't, fall to the ground! The heat will be over a second. Then there will be two blast waves, one out going, and one on it's way back. Don't stand up to see what happened after the first wave; anything that's going to happen will have happened in two full minutes.These will be low yield devices and will not level whole cities. If you live through the heat, blast, and initial burst of radiation, you'll probably live for a very, very long time. Radiation will not create fifty foot tall women, or giant ants and grass hoppers the size of tanks. These will be at the most 1 kiloton bombs; that's the equivalent of 1,000 tons of TNT.Here's the real deal, flying debris and radiation will kill a lot ofexposed (not all!) people within a half mile of the blast. Under perfect conditions this is about a half mile circle of death and destruction, but, when it's done it's done. EMP stands for Electro Magnetic Pulse and it will fry every electronic device for a good distance, it's impossible to say what and how far but probably not over a couple of miles from ground zero is a good guess. Cars, cell phones, computers, ATMs, you name it, all will be out of order.There are lots of kinds of radiation, you only need to worry aboutthree, the others you have lived with for years. You need to worry about "Ionizing radiation," these are little sub atomic particles that go whizzing along at the speed of light. They hit individual cells in your body, kill the nucleus and keep on going. That's how you get radiation poisoning, you have so many dead cells in your body that the decaying cells poison you.It's the same as people getting radiation treatments for cancer, only a bigger area gets radiated. The good news is you don't have to just sit there and take it, and there's lots you can do rather than panic. First; your skin will stop alpha particles, a page of a news paper or your clothing will stop beta particles, you just gotta try and avoid inhaling dust that's contaminated with atoms that are emitting these things and you'll be generally safe from them.Gamma rays are particles that travel like rays (quantum physics makes my brain hurt) and they create the same damage as alpha and beta particles only they keep going and kill lots of cells as they go all the way through your body. It takes a lot to stop these things, lots of dense material, on the other hand it takes a lot of this to kill you.Your defense is as always to not panic. Basic hygiene and normalpreparation are your friends. All canned or frozen food is safe to eat. The radiation poisoning will not effect plants so fruits and vegetables are OK if there's no dust on em (rinse em off if there is). If you don't have running water and you need to collect rain water or use water from wherever, just let it sit for thirty minutes and skim off the water gently from the top. The dust with the bad stuff in it will settle and the remaining water can be used for the toilet which will still work if you have a bucket of water to pour in the tank.Biological WeaponsFinally there's biological warfare. There's not much to cover here.Basic personal hygiene and sanitation will take you further than amillion doctors. Wash your hands often, don't share drinks, food, sloppy kisses, etc., .... with strangers. Keep your garbage can with a tight lid on it, don't have standing water (like old buckets, ditches, or kiddie pools) laying around to allow mosquitoes breeding room. This stuff is carried by vectors, that is bugs, rodents, and contaminated material. If biological warfare is so easy as the TV makes it sound, why has Saddam Hussein spent twenty years, millions, and millions of dollars trying to get it right? If you're clean of person and home you eat well and are active you're gonna live.Overall preparation for any terrorist attack is the same as you'd take for a big storm. If you want a gas mask, fine, go get one. I know this stuff and I'm not getting one and I told my Mom not to bother with one either (how's that for confidence). We have a week's worth of cash, several days worth of canned goods and plenty of soap and water. We don't leave stuff out to attract bugs or rodents so we don't have them.These people can't conceive a nation this big with this much resources. These weapons are made to cause panic, terror, and to demoralize. If we don't run around like sheep they won't use this stuff after they find out it's no fun. The government is going nuts over this stuff because they have to protect every inch of America. You've only gotta protect yourself, and by doing that, you help the country.Finally, there are millions of caveats to everything I wrote here andyou can think up specific scenarios where my advice isn't the best. This letter is supposed to help the greatest number of people under the greatest number of situations. If you don't like my work, don't nit pick, just sit down and explain chemical, nuclear, and biologicalwarfare in a document around three pages long yourself. This is how we the people of the United States can rob these people of their mostdesired goal, your terror.SFC Red Thomas (Ret)Armor Master GunnerMesa, AZhttp://www.sightm1911.com/lib/other/nbc.htm--- End forwarded message ---Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

February 20, 2003

Ilana, I think the main point here is "preparedness", not fear.

However, you are spot on when it comes to the TV. I don't have cable, a sat dish, or even rabbit ears. I watch no TV programming whatsoever. I don't read newspapers.

News people are nothing more than Merchants of Chaos.

Everyone should try this.

1. Stop watching the news or any other TV for 2 weeks.

2. Stop reading Newspapers for just as long.

I guarantee you, that you'll feel better. I wouldn't be at all surprised if TV was a major cause of "depression". Afterall, there is not only the constant inflow of pictures, but there is a small amount of radiation bombardment as well. And as I said in an earlier post, radiation can cause "apathy".

I don't eat garbage. Why should I allow it in my mind???

Much love,

Doc

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

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Ilana Grostern

herbal remedies

Thursday, February 20, 2003 5:45 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] Fw: Before You Go buy that Duct Tape

Do all of you spend so much time living in fear like this? I find it really disturbing that there would even be this sort of discussion on the board. I mean, yes, terrorism is a very real threat, but why live your life in constant fear of it? As a Canadian I just can't understand living like this, though I get an idea of why you are all so scared every time I turn on American television!ILANA xoxo