schizophrenia: C-VIRUS / Psychosomatic

March 26, 2003

Hi Kristine,

Certainly it is possible that physical problems can have an affect on

the mind.

It goes both ways actually, and the mind can also have an affect on

the body.

Everybody is unique.

That's what makes it fun.

I really enjoy being here.

You are all very caring people, very full of energy and life.

That's nice.

And remember, schizophrenics have a tendency to concretize their

experience.

Emotions are very fluid, and it helps to not crystalize the emotions

into physical problems, because once they have been crystalized, they are not

so easy, sometimes, to reverse.

Never underestimate the affect of consciousness.

I believe that if you feel so strongly that schizophrenia is from

physical causes, it is because you have had some experience with some

schizophrenics who's state had a physical cause. My husband's mom went a

little schizophrenic, from one way os speaking of it ( there are better ways

I think ), when she was very near to death. To be sure, that was due also to

her conditioning having a hard time keeping up with her leaps in lucidity.

Hugs,

Cathie

March 27, 2003

Hi Kristine,

I have heard that many have improved and gotten over schizophrenia from a variety of vitamin approaches:

1) I know a woman who uses a multiple angle approach of vitamins

2) I have heard of an approach that focuses on Niacin

3) I have heard of an approach that claims to have absolute success healing schizophrenia with Fish Oil (omega oils)

I have no desire to dispute your idea that B-vitamins are good brain food and may be the missing link that boosts some schizophrenics into a space where they are able to balance their own minds.

If I told you I healed schizophrenia with Omega oils? Would you have a problem with that?

My husband did not improve as a result of any diet changes. His symptoms disappeared as a result of other types of processes that were more mental, emotional, and spiritual. I have said it before and will say it again: his diet is still Not That Great. I cook as healthy as I can under the circumstances, but he likes to eat meat and he drinks a lot of milk. He still eats chips periodically and he loves icecream and often eats too much of that. Periodically he even has a six pack of soda in the house. I dont care what kind of carbohydrate binge or unhealthy eating spree he goes on, he is stable and will not have recurrent symptoms because the mental/emotional/spiritual blocks were cleared. I

I do not say this to try and create any doubt for your method of dealing wtih things. If it has worked for you in more than one circumstance, obviously there is something to it.

I also believe that upbrining and intelligence have somethign to do with it. While I beleive that everyone is inately intelligent, people get conditioned to not use all their intelligence and to limit their own thinking and abilities. I do believe that as a psychologist you must realize it is true that there are certain schziophrenics who are so unconscious due to having been taught all their lives to limit their thinking, that no amount of b-vitamins nor medications nor are going to completely alleviate the trouble and you KNOW as a psychologist that even the psychiatric association advises medication COMBINED wtih therapy, so why deny the mental/emotional/spiritual plays a role? Perhaps more of a role for some than for others.

I started out making the erroneous assumption there would be something in the dianetics book that would negate my experience -- that is where I was wrong.

You are making ( it seems to me ) the erroneous assumption that by asserting my own experience that my husband improved not as a result of diet but as a result of other factors, to mean I am trying to deny your own claims but that couldn't be farther from the truth.

I said before and I will say it again: I know a woman who has helped literally thousands of schizophrenics get off medications and stabilized from schizophrenia through vitamin therapy. However, I also know that she advises spiritual support therapy, often...

I do not deny that this has been possible for those people

When I first met my husband, his diet was a bachelor's diet. He had some basic things like brewers yeast in the house that he would use to fortify spaghetti sauce from a jar, and would throw in some hot dogs broken up instead of meatballs, and have orange juice with it.

Within the first year we were together I weaned him off the coke (like I said he still hs it from time to time and NO going ona a coke sugar binge does NOT make him psychotic) and eliminating coke and soda pop from his diet did not alleviate his symptoms.

I'm glad you have a B-vitamin therapy regime with which you are able to help some people.

Peace, Love and Poetic License,

Cathie

n a message dated 3/27/03 12:33:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, kristinewoolley writes:

I have a degree in Psychology, that is where I am coming from.

The difficulty in treating mental illness is that the diagnosing is so poorly done. The parameters for diagnosis are vague and often not even followed.

Many are diagnosed incorrectly. I believe diagnosis is almost irrelevant.

Everything is inter-related, every aspect of our existance can be seen as part of one whole existance.

IF you don't believe a very effective cure will work, it won't. If you believe something will cure you then you are more likely to be cured. Belief is a very big part of our existance.

My experience and training has provided me with the insight that the B vitamins help mental functioning.

I just hoped to share that with you and others on the list.

Best wishes,

Kristine

March 27, 2003

Misdiagnosis is an excuse that psychiatry often uses to explain away people like my husband recovering from schizphrenia without the aid of modern psychiatry or it's tools.

Btw, my husband does NOT drink the rejuvilac -- that's my beverage of choice.

Peace,

Cathie

In a message dated 3/27/03 12:33:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, kristinewoolley writes:

The difficulty in treating mental illness is that the diagnosing is so poorly done. The parameters for diagnosis are vague and often not even followed.

Many are diagnosed incorrectly. I believe diagnosis is almost irrelevant.

March 27, 2003

OK, OK, OK! Due to my schedule, I'm coming in late on this thread (that I inadvertently started it seems ;o), and I'd like to say up front that you are both "RIGHT"!

Cathie, you are absolutely correct when you approached your own personal experience with your husband using Mental and Spiritual practices.

Kristine, you are absolutely correct when you discuss the favorable actions of Vitamin B3. You are also spot on when you talk about the limits and fallacies of Psychiatric diagnosis. For Gawd's sake, the Psychs have even labelled the picking of one's nose (Rhinotelexomania), PMS, and the "Fear of Garlic" as Psychiatric diseases. This would be ludicrous if it wasn't so misleading and suppressively anti-social.

One and all have to remember that when dealing with a human being, you are dealing with a holistic composite. I have personally found that when I approach healing from the holistic viewpoint of Spirit, Mind, and Body, I have my greatest and most outstanding successes. This does not negate Cathie's successes with her husband and the spiritual and mental approaches. This does not negate Kristine's recommendation of Vitamin therapy and the physical approach. As I said, you are both right.

I wrote the following in a message about 4 to 5 years ago when I first started herbal remedies.

"I have observed in the subject of healing, that the only one of the three (Spirit, Mind, Body), that I have ever seen stand alone and bring about a full recovery without help from the other two is "The Spiritual". It seems that "Physical Handlings" need help from the other two. It seems that "Mental Handlings" need help from the other two. I've looked at this long and hard, and to date, I have found no exceptions to this. It is well recorded that every known religion has documentation of miraculous spiritual healings with no other factor being addressed. There is no doubt of this."

But since this then leads us into religious dogma and differences, we don't go there on our herbal remedies list. It is one area we don't touch since this would infringe upon, or create conflict between individuals and their sacred "right" to believe as they so choose. You are welcome to post examples of a religious healing experience, but please refrain from using the name of your religion or of explaining its dogma. If someone wants more data, they can contact you off list and make it a private discussion.

Similarly, one might say that not all Psychiatrists and Psychologists are "bad", and some of them are either just miseducated and / or have tremendous amounts of false data. However, their vile technologies are riddled with barbarisms, inhumanity, and hidden political agendas.

I don't say this to "pick" on you Kristine, or to put you down in any way. On the contrary, I found your post to have some excellent data in it.

I would like to jokingly point out to you though, that your claiming a degree in Psychology to the members of this list is not necessarily the best way to promote yourself and gain acceptance here, and is a little like waving a red flag in front of a bull. ROTFL ;o)

The above is similar to the thousand and one diets out there. There is a fraction of truth in every single one of them, and it's that one or two pieces of "truth" that hooks us. The same goes for Psychiatry and Psychology. I'm sure that one could find some truth somewhere in either one of them, but both subjects have become sooooooo perverted. Why bother???

Just yesterday, I was talking to an ex-psychiatric nurse who quit her job instantaneously over one incident. She was on duty and a male patient came up to her and told her he felt like raping someone. She turned him over to her superintendant with a full report and then went off duty. The next shift did nothing to handle this guy and so he went in and raped one of the female patients. The Psychs handling for this was to give the woman/rape-victim a full round of ECT (Electroconvulsive Therapy) = Shock Treatment, so that she would forget the incident. Nothing was done to, or for the man. Nothing!

Pardon my language, but this is Fucking Nuts!!! And these practices are happening daily in psych wards around the planet.

It is with good reason that the promotion of these two subjects is banned on HR.

Hope this helps.

Much love,

Doc

PS. FYI, Osama bin Laden's right hand man is a Psych.

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

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WillowShade40

herbal remedies

Thursday, March 27, 2003 12:55 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Re: schizophrenia: Re: C-VIRUS / Psychosomatic

Hi Kristine, I have heard that many have improved and gotten over schizophrenia from a variety of vitamin approaches:1) I know a woman who uses a multiple angle approach of vitamins2) I have heard of an approach that focuses on Niacin3) I have heard of an approach that claims to have absolute success healing schizophrenia with Fish Oil (omega oils) I have no desire to dispute your idea that B-vitamins are good brain food and may be the missing link that boosts some schizophrenics into a space where they are able to balance their own minds. If I told you I healed schizophrenia with Omega oils? Would you have a problem with that? My husband did not improve as a result of any diet changes. His symptoms disappeared as a result of other types of processes that were more mental, emotional, and spiritual. I have said it before and will say it again: his diet is still Not That Great. I cook as healthy as I can under the circumstances, but he likes to eat meat and he drinks a lot of milk. He still eats chips periodically and he loves icecream and often eats too much of that. Periodically he even has a six pack of soda in the house. I dont care what kind of carbohydrate binge or unhealthy eating spree he goes on, he is stable and will not have recurrent symptoms because the mental/emotional/spiritual blocks were cleared. I I do not say this to try and create any doubt for your method of dealing wtih things. If it has worked for you in more than one circumstance, obviously there is something to it. I also believe that upbrining and intelligence have somethign to do with it. While I beleive that everyone is inately intelligent, people get conditioned to not use all their intelligence and to limit their own thinking and abilities. I do believe that as a psychologist you must realize it is true that there are certain schziophrenics who are so unconscious due to having been taught all their lives to limit their thinking, that no amount of b-vitamins nor medications nor are going to completely alleviate the trouble and you KNOW as a psychologist that even the psychiatric association advises medication COMBINED wtih therapy, so why deny the mental/emotional/spiritual plays a role? Perhaps more of a role for some than for others. I started out making the erroneous assumption there would be something in the dianetics book that would negate my experience -- that is where I was wrong. You are making ( it seems to me ) the erroneous assumption that by asserting my own experience that my husband improved not as a result of diet but as a result of other factors, to mean I am trying to deny your own claims but that couldn't be farther from the truth. I said before and I will say it again: I know a woman who has helped literally thousands of schizophrenics get off medications and stabilized from schizophrenia through vitamin therapy. However, I also know that she advises spiritual support therapy, often... I do not deny that this has been possible for those people When I first met my husband, his diet was a bachelor's diet. He had some basic things like brewers yeast in the house that he would use to fortify spaghetti sauce from a jar, and would throw in some hot dogs broken up instead of meatballs, and have orange juice with it. Within the first year we were together I weaned him off the coke (like I said he still hs it from time to time and NO going ona a coke sugar binge does NOT make him psychotic) and eliminating coke and soda pop from his diet did not alleviate his symptoms. I'm glad you have a B-vitamin therapy regime with which you are able to help some people.Peace, Love and Poetic License,Cathien a message dated 3/27/03 12:33:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, kristinewoolley writes:

I have a degree in Psychology, that is where I am coming from. The difficulty in treating mental illness is that the diagnosing is so poorly done. The parameters for diagnosis are vague and often not even followed.Many are diagnosed incorrectly. I believe diagnosis is almost irrelevant. Everything is inter-related, every aspect of our existance can be seen as part of one whole existance.IF you don't believe a very effective cure will work, it won't. If you believe something will cure you then you are more likely to be cured. Belief is a very big part of our existance.My experience and training has provided me with the insight that the B vitamins help mental functioning.I just hoped to share that with you and others on the list.Best wishes,Kristine