Guest guest Posted November 20, 2002 Report Share Posted November 20, 2002 In a message dated 11/20/2002 5:09:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, lakshmi writes: What do you all think of this mandatory smallpox vaccine clause in the homeland security bill? It's crap! Cheers! Kathleen Petrides The Woobey Queen: Canoodle with a Woobey when even Chocolate can't help. Woobey Tip: http://www.woobeys.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 personally... if there is a chance that someone could infect the country with a disease and there is a vaccine available... I'm gonna get it. As far as it being mandatory..... so are all the other ones your kids get. mp & mma frankie Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 really... well i girl i work with had to keep her son home from school until she proved he had gotten all his vaccines Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 that's not true. none of the vax are mandatory. i believe it's crap. frankie wrote: > > > personally... if there is a chance that someone could infect the > country with a disease and there is a vaccine available... I'm gonna > get it. As far as it being mandatory..... so are all the other ones > your kids get. > > > > mp & mma > > frankie -- <><Erin, full-time entertainer, teacher, doctor, maid, cook, chauffeur, kisser of boo-boos to my Beautiful Trio & The Sprout appearing Spring 2003. Have you seen Eden Essentials lately? http://www.edenessentials.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 if she didn't want him to get them she could have gotten a form from her doctor, the state, the school, online, etc. that states she is not putting those toxins in her son. simple as that, and he can go to school without vaccines. been there, done that with my son, and my son went to a private school. frankie wrote: > > > really... well i girl i work with had to keep her son home from school > until she proved he had gotten all his vaccines > -- <><Erin, full-time entertainer, teacher, doctor, maid, cook, chauffeur, kisser of boo-boos to my Beautiful Trio & The Sprout appearing Spring 2003. Have you seen Eden Essentials lately? http://www.edenessentials.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Hi Frankie, All There is much more to the vaccination issue than is commonly put out there. There are exemptions available for vaccinating http://www.access1.net/via/STATES/allstates.htm All states have medical exemptions, 48 have religious exemptions and some have philosophical exemptions, and there are a plethora of reasons that some folks choose to take advantage of those exemption choices. As far as the smallpox vaccine goes .. there as a darn good reason that it was stopped being used in 1972 - it was responsible for the death of hundreds of recipients a year.The vaccine was a greater danger than the disease itself. They STILL expect hundreds of deaths to come about from the use of this vaccine if it goes into mass use again. That is one reason there is reluctance to put it forth to the mass public again. The whole bio-warfare issue is actually a little more scary SOUNDING than it is scary in reality (as far as the logistics of it actually being able to be implemented effectively), but once again, there is a LOT to it, and I don't have the time or energy right this moment to get all passionate about it like I can What I can do is provide some info links for folks to check out and do some research themselves, and make educated opinions and choices on the matter Here are just a few to start with Here is the link to one dedicated to discussion about and providing information about vaccinations vaccinations/ National Vaccine Information Center http://www.909shot.com Immunization Action Coalition - Vaccine Information Statements www.immunize.org/vis Vaccine Information and Awareness http://home.san.rr.com/via/ Informed Parents Vaccination Home Page http://www.unc.edu/~aphillip/www/vaccine/resrcntr.htm Global Vaccine Institute http://thinktwice.com/ National Vaccine Information Center Releases Smallpox Report Opposing Bioterrorism Forced Vaccination Plan www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/December2001/NVICPressRelReForcedVax... *Smile*Chris (list mom) http://www.alittleolfactory.com frankie [heavenleegal] Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: Re: smallpox vaccine really... well i girl i work with had to keep her son home from school until she proved he had gotten all his vaccines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Our lives aren't truly valued by anyone who HAS TO know us and treat as individuals.....no surprise...again. Once again our government says what MIGHT BE good for one is good for everyone. Empty barrels make the most noise. Dale - Michelle Morton-niyama Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:12 PM smallpox vaccine SoWhat do you all think of this mandatory smallpox vaccine clause in thehomeland security bill?MichelleHow To Make Rose Petal Jam - Step By Step Instructionshttp://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.htmlTo Un send a blank e-mail to: - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 I certainly agree . . . but have to admit I do not understand why others disagree. Could someone inform me? Thanks. -Helen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally... if there is a chance that someone could infect the country with a disease and there is a vaccine available... I'm gonna get it. As far as it being mandatory..... so are all the other ones your kids get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Perhaps it is a STATE requirement? In our area you must have a signed physician form stating all vaccines have been given before you can enter the school system. - frankie Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:02 PM Re: smallpox vaccine really... well i girl i work with had to keep her son home from school until she proved he had gotten all his vaccines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Thanks Chris- i knew you would have some good input- many dont know of the dangers of vax or that they have a CHOICE! Michelle Hi Frankie, All There is much more to the vaccination issue than is commonly put out there. There are exemptions available for vaccinating http://www.access1.net/via/STATES/allstates.htm All states have medical exemptions, 48 have religious exemptions and some have philosophical exemptions, and there are a plethora of reasons that some folks choose to take advantage of those exemption choices. As far as the smallpox vaccine goes .. there as a darn good reason that it was stopped being used in 1972 - it was responsible for the death of hundreds of recipients a year.The vaccine was a greater danger than the disease itself. They STILL expect hundreds of deaths to come about from the use of this vaccine if it goes into mass use again. That is one reason there is reluctance to put it forth to the mass public again. The whole bio-warfare issue is actually a little more scary SOUNDING than it is scary in reality (as far as the logistics of it actually being able to be implemented effectively), but once again, there is a LOT to it, and I don't have the time or energy right this moment to get all passionate about it like I can What I can do is provide some info links for folks to check out and do some research themselves, and make educated opinions and choices on the matter Here are just a few to start with Here is the link to one dedicated to discussion about and providing information about vaccinations vaccinations/ National Vaccine Information Center http://www.909shot.com Immunization Action Coalition - Vaccine Information Statements www.immunize.org/vis Vaccine Information and Awareness http://home.san.rr.com/via/ Informed Parents Vaccination Home Page http://www.unc.edu/~aphillip/www/vaccine/resrcntr.htm Global Vaccine Institute http://thinktwice.com/ National Vaccine Information Center Releases Smallpox Report Opposing Bioterrorism Forced Vaccination Plan www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/December2001/NVICPressRelReForcedVax... *Smile*Chris (list mom) http://www.alittleolfactory.com frankie [heavenleegal] Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: Re: smallpox vaccine really... well i girl i work with had to keep her son home from school until she proved he had gotten all his vaccinesHow To Make Rose Petal Jam - Step By Step Instructionshttp://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.htmlTo Un send a blank e-mail to: - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Where do you live helen? because they like to make it seem like its mandatory- even when it isnt- and most states have philosophical and religiouds exemptions _etc] smallpox vaccine Perhaps it is a STATE requirement? In our area you must have a signed physician form stating all vaccines have been given before you can enter the school system. - frankie Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:02 PM Re: smallpox vaccine really... well i girl i work with had to keep her son home from school until she proved he had gotten all his vaccinesHow To Make Rose Petal Jam - Step By Step Instructionshttp://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.htmlTo Un send a blank e-mail to: - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 More on the small pox vaccine.... State officials said they were suspending the program to give federal officials time to investigate the vaccine's role in three heart attack deaths. Despite widespread agreement that compensation is needed for people injured or killed by the vaccine, which carries rare but serious risks, the House has been unable to agree on a package of benefits. On Monday, the House defeated, 206-184, a GOP-backed bill establishing a set of payments. Republicans were invoking rules needing a two-thirds majority, but they failed to get even a simple majority. It was a rare defeat for House Republicans, who were not sure what to do next. They were considering attaching it to a spending bill moving through Congress now. Democrats complained that the Republican bill was not generous enough to persuade health care workers and others to sign up for the vaccine. All involved with the government's smallpox program believe it's imperative that Congress establish payments for those injured or killed by the vaccine. Congress has already barred most lawsuits that might stem from the vaccine, and state workers' compensation programs offer only spotty coverage. The number of people volunteering for the shot is well below what was expected, partly because of concerns that injured people won't be compensated for medical expenses, lost work time and other expenses. The national vaccination program also has suffered from questions about the relationship between the vaccine and heart problems after three people died of heart attacks after being inoculated. While experts suspect the vaccine is probably not to blame, nine states — Arizona, California, Illinois, Maine, Michigan, Nevada, New York, Vermont and Washington state — have suspended their programs during an investigation. An tenth state, Connecticut, ordered a two-day suspension. And in Idaho, state officials recommended that that local health districts temporarily suspend vaccinations. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (news - web sites) told states Monday that it is now recommending that people with heart disease — or at risk of heart disease — refrain from vaccination. The CDC was sending out new forms to help states screen people for the vaccine. Still, some predicted the heart problems would continue to hold the program back. "Even if this is not related to the vaccine at all ... a lot of people have been spooked to begin with," said Dr. Elizabeth MacNeill, chief medical officer for the Pima County Health Department in Arizona. "I think this will make it even harder to get people to volunteer." The heart attacks have also sharpened demands that Congress act on compensation. While heart attack has never been associated with the smallpox vaccine, known risks include terrible rashes, blindness and life-threatening infections. The Republican bill, based on a proposal from President Bush (news - web sites), would provide $262,100 if a person should die or be permanently and totally disabled by the vaccine. The amount is based on an existing program to compensate injured police and firefighters. Those less severely injured by the vaccine could receive up to $50,000 per year in lost wages, up to a maximum of $262,100, if they are out of work for at least five days. They could also get unpaid medical expenses. The Democrats' version would provide the same $262,100 for those who die or are permanently disabled but would pay $75,000 per year in lost wages, with no lifetime cap. Additionally, the Democrats would guarantee the money, while the Republican bill would force this program to compete for funding each year. There is similar disagreement in the Senate, where a committee was considering the matter later this week. House Republicans, fearing the Democratic plan might pass, were trying to arrange things so they would not have to vote on it. They argued their version was generous enough. "If these caps are good enough for our public police officers and our firefighters who die in the line of duty, then I submit that indeed they are good enough for this program as well," said Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La. Democrats said the GOP compensation package would persuade too few workers to be vaccinated, given the known risks. "The bill that is on the floor today will not give nurses, firefighters, other first responders the assurances that they need to be vaccinated," said Rep. Lois Capps (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif. "It will not work." ___ The bill is H.R. 1463 Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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