Rant and vent

[Guest guest]

Madelyn,

My feeling about the digest format is that it's not the best way to read

posts for a group this big. If you don't want to get individual e-mails (which

are much easier to screen, btw) then you're actually better off browsing

the messages at the site. I'll do my best to cut and paste but most times

I dn't remember because there are just so many to go through!

 

What I like to say to people who chalk their illness up to heredity is that

just because you have a predisposition to an illness doesn't mean you HAVE

to get it. Heredity isn't a death sentence. It's simply a set of mitigating

circumstances that present a greater challenge. This is the sort of situation

that allows me to agree with what Don and Doc say about choice. Here you

are, armed with the knowledge that if you don't look after yourself you stand

a much higher chance of developing the condition than someone else without

the genetic predisposition, and yet you are choosing to avoid getting the

disease. It's the same with a woman whose mother and grandmother have died

from breast cancer. She knows she runs a higher risk of developing it so

she does all she can to live a lifestyle that will hopefully prevent any

opportunistic growths from taking root inside of her.

 

You're in very good company here. I also live in a world that doesn't share

my views on health so it's great to know that I can find some support from

like-minded individuals!

 

ILANA xoxo

 

madelyn wrote:

> Message: 15

> Sun, 01 Jun 2003 14:10:25 -0400

> Ilana <ilana

> Re: Rant and vent

>

> (snip)

> The problem is partly

> with the people and partly the fact that the experts

> don't know the

> first thing about HEALTH. They only know about

> disease and symptoms but

> they don't know what to do with information except

> perpetuate the cycle.

 

 

A most excellent point, and is THE reason I (and I'm

sure most of us) choose natural health to begin with.

Makes me wonder if people of long ago (before

processed foods, antibiotics in food, etc.) took more

responsibility for their nutritional intake and

actually saw the results of good and bad diets. I have

to believe that they did.

 

I come from a family who eats quite poorly and suffers

from Type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, are

overweight, and have a host of smaller health

problems. Every now and then my mother or grandmother

(they live together) will pop up with, "I sure hope

you don't get this awful diabetes since it seems to

run in the family." And I try to patiently explain

(again!) that Type 2 diabetes is brought on by people

not taking care of themselves, it is something that

develops, you don't jsut get it for no reason. They

simply do not understand cause-and-effect and *still*

eat poorly, don't exercise one bit, and take a lot of

medication. Both sides of my family are that way and

it makes me want to pull my hair out when I'm around

them sometimes. I'm so glad I found this group of

people who share the same feelings, as only a few of

my RL friends are as pro-active with their health.

Fortunately, my SO is one of them.

 

Now, may I ask a favor? I receive this list in Digest

format since it is *so* active. Could everyone please

snip out the irrelevent bits when replying? It takes

awhile to scroll through the messages when sometimes

an entire digest is underneath someone's small reply.

Makes it difficult to tell which I've read and which I

haven't, and I don't want to miss any posts. I'm sure

anyone else getting the Digest has the same issue, but

if I'm alone in thinking this, then never mind. I

don't want to change the whole list just for me.

 

Thanks for all the great info!!

Madelyn

 

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person

 

following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

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be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members

free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

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[Guest guest]

Oh my lord, Lisa! That's just insane! But it doesn't suprise me at all. Most

people I forward stuff to just delete without reading but I keep forwarding

in the hopes that maybe something will resonate with one of them and I'll

get through. And I did! One of Fred's (my dh) friends is now making a concerted

effort to stop drinking milk, which is not a decision I ever expected one

of Fred's friends to make! This is the guy who has renamed me Tree-Hugger

(which I love) and gets all red in the face when I start talking about the

connection between nutritional deficiencies and mental illness (he's had

a lot of psychology schooling so you see the problem here). But I got through

and now he's trying to change his life. In fact, I even made him a huge bag

of muesli and bought him some rice milk, all of which he paid me back for,

and he's loving it!! It only takes one to reaffirm my convictions that I'm

doing the right thing by pushing and pushing. My mom and people I work with

have all commented at one point or another about the positive impact I'm

having on their lives and my mother loves to tell people that she and my

dad haven't eaten white rice in months!

 

It's a real shame that your family is being so tough on you but I think that

they're telling you in no uncertain terms that your approaches aren't going

to do it for them. So while I agree with you that you can't just sit by and

watch them make themselves sick, I think that maybe you should rethink your

tactic. That's what I had to do with my husband and this friend of his and

with my parents. I just started showing them how easy it can be to change

your diet and your lifestyle and I made it as easy as I could for them and

let them know that I was there to answer any questions they might have. I

stopped getting angry and I stopped ranting. The problem with this approach

is that people feel put-upon and they get resentful and then they attack.

My mom told me I've been brainwashed because I made the mistake of telling

her that I didn't plan to vaccinate my kids. So I'm not having this discussion

anymore but when the time comes you bet I'm going to provide her with all

the literature I can get my hands on (which is what Skip was telling me to

do with my husband's family and his niece but they're not people I want to

invest the effort in). The problem with the approach that you and I feel

is the most obvious way of giving people tools also makes them doubt themselves

which no one likes, even though it's a good way to start shaking up their

foundations a bit. But the response is almost always pretty violent. You

CAN get through to them but you've just got to maybe take a step back and

find a place where you are all comfortable. Maybe you should use this two

week visit to call a sort of truce and to reassure your family that it's

not that you want to tell them what to do or that you think you know best,

it's just that you're concerned for their well-being and feel that as their

daughter/sister/friend that's it's your obligation to at least make them

aware of their options and that they even HAVE options. And then after that

all you can do is trust and have faith that you've done the best you can

do and let them take it from there.

 

It's a good discussion, isn't it? I'm enjoying this too because you're all

so amazing!!

 

Love,

ILANA xoxo

 

Lisa Belcher wrote:

 

 

Maybe I can get a few words in here? LOL

 

Wow, what a discussion this is! Wonderful. I want to

chip in here as being in a similar situation than you guys. I haven't seen

my family for 2 years now, but regularly sent snippets over from these wonderful

emails I get from all of you, if it's anything I think might apply to my

family member. Now, I was planning to go see them in July, but no-one seems

willing to put us up for two weeks. I finally asked my mum straight out

if she knew why, and she told me that " I always know everything better

than they do" and they're sick of it!! One example being mentioned was these

emails I send them!! All of my 5 sisters and two brothers (and their families)

are very much GP/medical oriented - all of them have health problems, none

of them are into organic foods, or eating/living healthy. Example: one of

my sisters (Marianne) has a big problem with pain in her lower legs. No-one

has been able to determine a cause (MD's that is). So they surgically removed

her uterus, just in case that was the problem (it wasn't)!!!!!! I was furious,

but living halfway around the world at the time, couldn't do much - I also

only find out after the fact usually. Anyhow, my family don't like my email,

or any other communication about how it's done better, and don't want to

spend 2 weeks with me, as they feel they can't talk with me as "I know everything

better anyway". But I just can't sit by while they are telling me about

their health problems and medications and surgeries without saying anything

at all??!!! How the heck do I handle that? I feel sad for my mum, as she's

not seen her grandson for 2 years and is desperate to see him. She's 83

and can't travel anymore. I don't have money for a 2 week stay in a hotel,

so depend on family putting me up for that time.

 

So glad to know you guys, at least I can talk to you!!

<grin>

 

love,

Lisa

 

ps I remembered to snip this time LOL

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Original Message -----

 

Ilana

 

To:

herbal remedies

 

Sent:

Sunday, June 01, 2003 8:18 PM

Subject:

Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Rant and vent

 

 

 

You're in very good company here. I also live in a world that doesn't

share my views on health so it's great to know that I can find some support

from like-minded individuals!

 

ILANA xoxo

 

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person

 

following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members

free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

 

 

[Guest guest]

Phyllis,

Yes, of course it is. That's what we're all striving for. White rice is rice

that has been refined and that has had the outer bran removed, rendering

it a processed food! Brown rice is the whole grain and you always want to

eat the whole grain and not just bits and pieces. That's why you also want

to avoid oat bran and eat the whole oat and wheat germ and eat the whole

wheat kernel.

 

ILANA xoox

 

ChinLdy wrote:

In a message dated 6/1/03 2:33:17 PM Mountain Daylight Time, ilana

writes:

 

"my

mother loves to tell people that she and my dad haven't eaten white rice

in months!"

 

 

Please tell about white rice, is it okay to eat brown rice?

Phyllis

 

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person

 

following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members

free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

 

 

[Guest guest]

As far as I know, sweet rice is glutenous rice. I'm not sure if the gluten

here is the same as in other grains that you can't eat but I'd err on the

side of caution and stay away from it.

 

ILANA xoxo

 

John Ybarra wrote:

---

ChinLdy wrote:

> In a message dated 6/1/03 2:33:17 PM Mountain

> Daylight Time,

> ilana writes:

>

> > "my mother loves to tell people that she and my

> dad haven't eaten white

> > rice in months!"

> >

> Please tell about white rice, is it okay to eat

> brown rice?

> Phyllis

 

And what about "sweet rice"? I've heard that it has

glutens that react negatively with my condition the

same way wheat glutens do. But I have no idea what the

difference is, what sweet rice is.

 

=====

John Ybarra

We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are

not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see.

 

 

 

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Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person

 

following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members

free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington