Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 In a message dated 6/4/2003 12:17:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, lek writes: All my kids are vegetable eaters. Kricket loves vegetables and I believe cabbage and spinach are among the ones she likes the best. Sandy Its' rare to find a kid that likes spinach!!! : ) I never found it that bad though. Be sure if she is predisposed to kidney stones to read up on spinach however! It increases the risks as one of the highest foods. Not meaning to butt in but I was with my dad through FOUR sets of stones in a a few years, and my friend had them ( a female, in elementary school nonetheless). If you can prevent these things, great! Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 In a message dated 6/4/2003 12:42:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, ilana writes: Sandy, It's not so cut and dried, though. There are other foods that increase the risk too. It's the oxalic acid that's present in a lot of foods: Yes Ilana is right, I just remember spinach always sticking out for me and being mentioined when researching all I have on stones. Perhaps because it surprised me being a healthy food and all , I dont know. But if they eat spinach beyond moderation, which is what it sounds like to me, and they have had this many stones (which are usually NOT common in females) then I would look into it Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Sandy, It's not so cut and dried, though. There are other foods that increase the risk too. It's the oxalic acid that's present in a lot of foods: Oxalic acid occurs naturally in quite a large number of plants. The human body also synthesizes oxalic acid from ascorbic acid (Vitamin C). Oxalic acid may combine with calcium, iron, sodium, magnesium, or potassium to form less soluble salts known as oxalates. Oxalates also occur naturally in plants. Since oxalic acid binds with important nutrients, making them inaccessible to the body, regular consumption of large amounts of foods high in oxalic acid over a period of weeks to months may result in nutrient deficiencies, most notably of calcium. Oxalic acid is a strong acid, and is irritating to tissue all by itself. Extremely high doses are fatal. Oxalates, on the other hand, form tiny little insoluble crystals with sharp edges, which are also irritating to tissue. So, high levels of oxalic acid/oxalates in the diet lead to irritation of the digestive system, and particularly of the stomach and kidneys. They may also contribute to the formation of kidney stones (the most common form of kidney stone is composed of calcium oxalate). Foods containing these chemicals may be consumed in moderation. However, if you suffer from kidney disease, kidney stones, rheumatoid arthritis, or gout, it is usually recommended that you avoid foods that are high in oxalates or oxalic acid. Foods generally found on the list include: chocolate, cocoa, coffee, most berries (especially strawberries and cranberries), most nuts (especially peanuts), beans, beets, bell peppers, black pepper, parsley, rhubarb, spinach, swiss chard, summer squash, sweet potatoes, and tea. Plant foods with high concentrations of oxalic acid (over 200 ppm) include (but are not limited to): lamb's-quarter, buckwheat, star fruit, black pepper, purslane, poppy seeds, rhubarb, tea, spinach, plantains, cocoa and chocolate, ginger, almonds, cashews, garden sorrel, mustard greens, bell peppers, sweet potatoes, soybeans, tomatillos, beets and beet greens, oats, pumpkin, cabbage, green beans, mango, eggplant, tomatoes, lentils, and parsnips. ILANA xoxo. Sandy Keller wrote: That is unreal. I wished I would have known that a long time ago. Kricket had passed 3 kidney stones by the time she was 17 years old ( she's 28 now). And my youngest Bobby has had 4 stones and he is just now 21. Who would have thought. Thanks I will be sure to pass that on to them . that is terrible because I love spinach too. Sandy herbal remedies , ErinJC23@a... wrote: > In a message dated 6/4/2003 12:17:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, lek@g... > writes: > > > > All my kids are vegetable eaters. Kricket loves vegetables and I > > believe cabbage and spinach are among the ones she likes the best. > > Sandy > > > > Its' rare to find a kid that likes spinach!!! : ) I never found it that bad > though. Be sure if she is predisposed to kidney stones to read up on spinach > however! It increases the risks as one of the highest foods. Not meaning to > butt in but I was with my dad through FOUR sets of stones in a a few years, and > my friend had them ( a female, in elementary school nonetheless). If you can > prevent these things, great! > > Erin Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 And...if her predisposition to stones is resulting in a decline in her calcium levels that could explain the muscle cramps! ILANA xoxo Ilana Grostern wrote: Sandy, It's not so cut and dried, though. There are other foods that increase the risk too. It's the oxalic acid that's present in a lot of foods: Oxalic acid occurs naturally in quite a large number of plants. The human body also synthesizes oxalic acid from ascorbic acid (Vitamin C). Oxalic acid may combine with calcium, iron, sodium, magnesium, or potassium to form less soluble salts known as oxalates. Oxalates also occur naturally in plants. Since oxalic acid binds with important nutrients, making them inaccessible to the body, regular consumption of large amounts of foods high in oxalic acid over a period of weeks to months may result in nutrient deficiencies, most notably of calcium. Oxalic acid is a strong acid, and is irritating to tissue all by itself. Extremely high doses are fatal. Oxalates, on the other hand, form tiny little insoluble crystals with sharp edges, which are also irritating to tissue. So, high levels of oxalic acid/oxalates in the diet lead to irritation of the digestive system, and particularly of the stomach and kidneys. They may also contribute to the formation of kidney stones (the most common form of kidney stone is composed of calcium oxalate). Foods containing these chemicals may be consumed in moderation. However, if you suffer from kidney disease, kidney stones, rheumatoid arthritis, or gout, it is usually recommended that you avoid foods that are high in oxalates or oxalic acid. Foods generally found on the list include: chocolate, cocoa, coffee, most berries (especially strawberries and cranberries), most nuts (especially peanuts), beans, beets, bell peppers, black pepper, parsley, rhubarb, spinach, swiss chard, summer squash, sweet potatoes, and tea. Plant foods with high concentrations of oxalic acid (over 200 ppm) include (but are not limited to): lamb's-quarter, buckwheat, star fruit, black pepper, purslane, poppy seeds, rhubarb, tea, spinach, plantains, cocoa and chocolate, ginger, almonds, cashews, garden sorrel, mustard greens, bell peppers, sweet potatoes, soybeans, tomatillos, beets and beet greens, oats, pumpkin, cabbage, green beans, mango, eggplant, tomatoes, lentils, and parsnips. ILANA xoxo. Sandy Keller wrote: That is unreal. I wished I would have known that a long time ago. Kricket had passed 3 kidney stones by the time she was 17 years old ( she's 28 now). And my youngest Bobby has had 4 stones and he is just now 21. Who would have thought. Thanks I will be sure to pass that on to them . that is terrible because I love spinach too. Sandy herbal remedies , ErinJC23@a... wrote: > In a message dated 6/4/2003 12:17:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, lek@g... > writes: > > > > All my kids are vegetable eaters. Kricket loves vegetables and I > > believe cabbage and spinach are among the ones she likes the best. > > Sandy > > > > Its' rare to find a kid that likes spinach!!! : ) I never found it that bad > though. Be sure if she is predisposed to kidney stones to read up on spinach > however! It increases the risks as one of the highest foods. Not meaning to > butt in but I was with my dad through FOUR sets of stones in a a few years, and > my friend had them ( a female, in elementary school nonetheless). If you can > prevent these things, great! > > Erin Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Erin I appreciate the offer but wouldn't that be alot of trouble? Sandy herbal remedies , ErinJC23@a... wrote: > In a message dated 6/4/2003 12:34:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, lek@g... > writes: > > > > That is unreal. I wished I would have known that a long time ago. > > Kricket had passed 3 kidney stones by the time she was 17 years old ( > > she's 28 now). And my youngest Bobby has had 4 stones and he is just > > now 21. Who would have thought. Thanks I will be sure to pass that > > on to them . that is terrible because I love spinach too. > > Sandy > > Sandy > If you need more info I will write it up for you from some books I have. > Spinach has high something (I dont remember chemical names lol) that promotes > stone formation > > > Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Hey you turned left there and forgot to give a signal . Boy my head is still spinning. LOL Thanks for the info though. sandy herbal remedies , Ilana Grostern <ilana@c...> wrote: > Sandy, > It's not so cut and dried, though. There are other foods that increase > the risk too. It's the oxalic acid that's present in a lot of foods: > > Oxalic acid occurs naturally in quite a large number of plants. The > human body also synthesizes oxalic acid from ascorbic acid (Vitamin C). > Oxalic acid may combine with calcium, iron, sodium, magnesium, or > potassium to form less soluble salts known as oxalates. Oxalates also > occur naturally in plants. > > Since oxalic acid binds with important nutrients, making them > inaccessible to the body, regular consumption of large amounts of foods > high in oxalic acid over a period of weeks to months may result in > nutrient deficiencies, most notably of calcium. > > Oxalic acid is a strong acid, and is irritating to tissue all by > itself. Extremely high doses are fatal. Oxalates, on the other hand, > form tiny little insoluble crystals with sharp edges, which are also > irritating to tissue. So, high levels of oxalic acid/oxalates in the > diet lead to irritation of the digestive system, and particularly of the > stomach and kidneys. They may also contribute to the formation of kidney > stones (the most common form of kidney stone is composed of calcium > oxalate). > > Foods containing these chemicals may be consumed in moderation. > However, if you suffer from kidney disease, kidney stones, rheumatoid > arthritis, or gout, it is usually recommended that you avoid foods that > are high in oxalates or oxalic acid. Foods generally found on the list > include: chocolate, cocoa, coffee, most berries (especially strawberries > and cranberries), most nuts (especially peanuts), beans, beets, bell > peppers, black pepper, parsley, rhubarb, spinach, swiss chard, summer > squash, sweet potatoes, and tea. > > Plant foods with high concentrations of oxalic acid (over 200 ppm) > include (but are not limited to): lamb's-quarter > <Javascript:window.open('../FlwPlant/Lambs-quarter.htm');>, buckwheat, > star fruit, black pepper, purslane, poppy seeds, rhubarb, tea, spinach, > plantains, cocoa and chocolate, ginger, almonds, cashews, garden sorrel, > mustard greens, bell peppers, sweet potatoes, soybeans, tomatillos, > beets and beet greens, oats, pumpkin, cabbage, green beans, mango, > eggplant, tomatoes, lentils, and parsnips. > > > ILANA xoxo. > > Sandy Keller wrote: > > > That is unreal. I wished I would have known that a long time ago. > > Kricket had passed 3 kidney stones by the time she was 17 years old ( > > she's 28 now). And my youngest Bobby has had 4 stones and he is just > > now 21. Who would have thought. Thanks I will be sure to pass that > > on to them . that is terrible because I love spinach too. > > Sandy > > > > > > herbal remedies , ErinJC23@a... wrote: > > > In a message dated 6/4/2003 12:17:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > lek@g... > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > All my kids are vegetable eaters. Kricket loves vegetables and I > > > > believe cabbage and spinach are among the ones she likes the > > best. > > > > Sandy > > > > > > > > > > Its' rare to find a kid that likes spinach!!! : ) I never found it > > that bad > > > though. Be sure if she is predisposed to kidney stones to read up > > on spinach > > > however! It increases the risks as one of the highest foods. Not > > meaning to > > > butt in but I was with my dad through FOUR sets of stones in a a > > few years, and > > > my friend had them ( a female, in elementary school nonetheless). > > If you can > > > prevent these things, great! > > > > > > Erin > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 John, Spinach shouldn't be eaten more than once a week by any of us. ILANA xoxo John Ybarra wrote: --- Sandy Keller <lek wrote: > That is unreal. I wished I would have known that a > long time ago. > Kricket had passed 3 kidney stones by the time she > was 17 years old ( > she's 28 now). And my youngest Bobby has had 4 > stones and he is just > now 21. Who would have thought. Thanks I will be > sure to pass that > on to them . that is terrible because I love > spinach too. > Sandy I'll remember that too. My five year old loves spinach, and would eat it every day if he could. He also loves broccoli, brussel sprouts, cauliflower, and wants to try asparagus. Such an odd child! ===== John Ybarra We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see. Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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