Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Thank you Doc and Suzi for taking the time and effort to eaze my overworked conscience in this matter. I do sooo much reading here at work about health issues and through all the stuff I've discovered thru reading I'm surprised I can still eat anything let alone breathe w/o feeling the air is killing me! I have collected alot of controversial arcticles and sights that most folks will never run across let alone take the time to read. This computer is a double edged sword, so full of information/education yet just another source of radiation, static and intimmidation. On the lighter side you are completely correct in your views in this situation and I need to stop wearing my heart on my sleeve and appreciate the good and leave the bad with those that created it. Sincerely, Pam @>}------------>> > " Dr. Ian Shillington " <Dr.IanShillington >herbal remedies > " herbal remedies " <herbal remedies (AT) Groups (DOT) com> >[herbal remedies] Re: Pus >Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:06:11 -0600 > >Dear Pam, > >Honey, please do NOT let that post from Susan Van Allen upset or introvert >you. Shortly after she replied to your post, she unsub'ed from the list, >and five seconds after that I permanently banned " toasted " her from ever >coming back. I have not had the chance to comment on the subject until >now, so I'm sorry to have kept you hanging for so long. But this is the >usual case with me and my email, and I'm answering my email backwards today >just to stay in the loop keep things sequitur ;o) Please don't leave our >Herbal Rememdies list as I have valued your input even though lacking the >time to comment on any of your posts. They are read and appreciated ;o) > >I have no personal experience with the " Pus in the Milk " phenomenon, but >the bovine practices and subsequent results would not surprise me in the >least. I have personally seen the way commercial chickens are raised in >their cramped quarters (1' by 2' cages) for the entirety of their short >little lives and would not be surprised at any thing in any part of the >commercial meat industry. I do have experience in the beef " meat " industry >and a very good site to explore is http://www.eatwild.com . The amount of >hormones, steroids, and antibiotics used in this industry are unreal, and I >have heard that this practice extends to the milk industry as well >regardless of my own personal experience. > >Also, please read my article in the files called " Dead Meat " . This really >does say it all and the article is very well researched. > >Many people have very little confront in the area of healing. They truly >do. You start mentioning words like " pus, blood, guts, puke, vomit, feces, >saliva, stink, smell, insane, evil, and even body odor " and these little >Miss Cupcakes head for the hills and back to their allopaths where they can >safely let others take responsibility for them. It takes a lot of courage >to be a natural healer. It takes a lot of " facing up to " of reality. > >Life can be very hard and cruel, but it can also be a helluva lot of fun if >you can face up to the toughness of it all and don't let the negative get >to you. Part of that, is dealing with " victims " like Susan above who >doesn't even have the confront level of a carrot, doesn't have the tenacity >of her convictions enough to stick around and either argue it out or see >you corrected (if you were wrong, which I strongly doubt), and then leaves >in a huff making everyone wrong. Honey, these types are simply not worth >the aggravation. Do not let them under your skin. It just ain't worth >it!!! > >In the past there have been many good individual farmers who did well with >their dairy cows and treated them with respect (as all life should be >unless it is threatening the good of all). One of my neigbors who had a >Guernsey cow and who I used to get " RAW ORGANIC " milk from, told me that >you had to love your cows. He once spoke harshly to her and her milk >production dropped. After that he always spoke lovingly to her, and even >sang to her even if she stepped on his foot, and her production came right >back up. I know that very few farmers and none of the big operations of >today operate that way. Today, they are only interested in profit. They >feed the cows grain (their natural food is grass), and when they inevitably >get sick from eating the wrong food, load 'em up with antibiotics to keep >'em alive and pump them full of hormones to keep 'em producing. > >Ahhhhhhhhh, for the good ole days with the many small organic farmers LOL >;o) > >Much love, > >Doc > >Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. >505-772-5889 >Dr.IanShillington > - > Suzanne > Lisa Belcher ; Doc ; Don Eitner ; Janet ; Ann Melin ; Ann Webb > Monday, July 21, 2003 12:33 PM > Fwd: Re: pus in milk/I'M SOOO SORRY!! > > > Hey gang!!! I thought you should all read this.and know what is going >on...... I got an email from Pam regarding the pus in milk discussions... >You will see my answer to her.... > Suzi > > Suzanne <suziesgoats wrote: > Mon, 21 Jul 2003 11:32:10 -0700 (PDT) > Suzanne > Re: pus in milk/I'M SOOO SORRY!! > pam > > > Well Pam, I'm sitting here laughing ... I'm sorry but it is funny >from my point... People want to know the truth of things but when it isn't >the way they want it... it's wrong in their eyes...... You must remember >you can't please everyone all of the time... And as mods, we sure know >that.... I was looking on line to either prove or disprove the article... >found alot of info but nothing that really told me it was an independent >reseach... You have to wonder sometimes depending on who comes out with >information..(ex... a pro PETA person you would wonder about if the article >was actually true versus say a college student doing research...). I want >to see Doc's response... > But don't leave... There will always be people that don't want to >hear the truth or just don't want to believe some things.... For instance, >with all the evidence of alien life.... you have to wonder (if you don't >believe) could it be real?... There are some that say No... no way.. same >with the Holocaust... there are people that to this day still believe it >never happened.... > On this site we don't sugar coat the truth so appease people... And I >think Doc and us mods have thicker skins and can absorb some of the >comments we get... And it is the individuals choice if they choose to >leave... It is their loss, not the memberships. > OVer the years we have had some great debates, discussions... >whatever... but most all of us are still here and still friends.. and we >all learned from it... look at what we all learned from the Essiac >discussion. > > Your heart was in the right place... and if what was written is >untrue... someone will show it to be... don't be so down on yourself. > Suzi > > pam <peetee1965 wrote: > Good day Suzi, > I hope you don't mind me contacting you off list. I am feeling > absolutely Horrible about bringing this topic here. I'm not sure if > it was Zeb (not important who) posted about chicken beaks getting > removed to protect the meat of other chickens from damage. The > whole story on PUS came to mind and I just posted it. A couple > people were shocked and I knew than it had nothing to do with herbal > remedies and that I should've at the least posted a warning. Now a > member left and slammed everything in her wake. I after the first > replies came in was and still am considering leaving this list as > much as I like it. Bottom line I'm feeling guilt ridden. I cannot > however make excuses for what I try to present here by bringing in > other sights relating to cures etc.. I definately don't want to step > on any feet/Docs or his wonderful knowledge and product cures you so > stand behind. (that is a good thing). > So if I'm a little out of line with some of my postings please let > me know because I don't like feeling like I do after this cow milk > issue. I sincerely have the groups best interests at heart but than > again I cannot help but share some of the stuff I know wether it > relates to herbal rememdies or the sad state of consumer affairs. > Feel free to email me off list if there is something that > maybe " pissing " Doc and the moderators off!!! > Pam > > >---------- > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 I like that ;o) And right you are. LOL Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington I need to stop wearing my heart on my sleeve and appreciate the good and leave the bad with those that created it.Sincerely,Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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