Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Good grief people, give it a rest!! The toxic algae you are talking about is NOT NOT NOT the algae that is used for supplements. It isn’t. No. Not. It’s just not. Really! Sorry to disappoint you all, but you’re not going to put the company out of business. They do not encapsulate toxic algae. There are 20,000 to 30,000 varieties of algae. Some are toxic, some are not, some are nutritious. Just like there are a lot of varieties of mushrooms – some are toxic, some are not, some are nutritious. Do any of you eat mushrooms? Yes? Aren’t you afraid you’ll die because they might have canned the wrong variety? Of course not, you don’t even think about it, right? Just because there was ecoli in hamburger at a Jack-In-The-Box restaurant, are you going to stop eating hamburg? See how silly this all sounds? There have NEVER been any toxins found in Aphanizomenon flos-aquae, the algae our company harvests from Upper Klamath Lake. A morphological analysis and gene sequencing was done on six strains of Aphanizomenon, and on a toxic strain, NH-5, which does not occur in Upper Klamath Lake (Rapala et al., 1993; Skulberg et al., 1984; Gentile and Mahoney, 1969; Sawyer et al., 1968). The results of these analyses show a marked genetic difference between the toxic species and the Upper Klamath Lake species (Li et al., 2000). In addition, more recently algae scientists Li and Carmichael examined three strains of Aphanizomenon from around the world (New Hampshire, Finland, and Portugal) that have been reported to produce toxins (Li, 2000; Li, 2003). As determined by genetic and morphologic testing, it was found that all three algae strains were improperly identified as Aphanizomenon flos-aquae. All three are species in the genus Aphanizomenon but are not Aphanizomenon flos-aquae. The organism harvested by our company is a filamentous, colony forming cyanobacterium. Colony forming morphology is one of the characteristics of non-toxic strains of Aphanizomenon, and conversely, toxin producing strains of Aphanizomenon are not known to form colonies. Li and Carmichael noted colony formation, or lack thereof, and other morphologic distinctions when comparing Upper Klamath Lake Aphanizomenon flos-aquae with toxin producing strains of Aphanizomenon. Additionally, and perhaps more importantly, genetic comparison of Klamath Lake Aphanizomenon flos-aquae to other species in the genus Aphanizomenon clearly indicates the dissimilarity between Klamath Lake Aphanizomenon flos-aquae and toxin-producing Aphanizomenon species. Based on morphologic and genetic testing, Li and Carmichael placed toxin-producing strains of Aphanizomenon in a distinct taxonomic group separate from Upper Klamath Lake's Aphanizomenon flos-aquae, and other non-toxin producing strains of Aphanizomenon. The Food Safety Division of the Oregon Department of Agriculture (which is responsible for licensing the production and ensuring the safety of food products produced in Oregon) has never given the company as much as a letter or note of concern that it might be out of compliance with the state's stringent regulations. We are proud of this record. So those of you who are REALLY interested in the truth, I have tons more material I can send you. If you are just scouring the internet to find damaging articles, don’t bother – because I’ve read them all already. The company has read them all already. The company has answered them all already (and sued several and won). If you will note, several of the articles that have been posted here have been quite old. It’s just a moot point. You just cannot dig up any dirt. Sorry. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 > There have NEVER been any toxins found in Aphanizomenon flos-aquae, > the algae our company harvests from Upper Klamath Lake. Carol, I agree that's the company line. The information has nothing to do with the algae industry, specifically it's a comment on water quality that the growth of a toxic blue green alga, Microcystis aeruginosa, is a regular occurrence in upper Klamath Lake. M. aeruginosa produces compounds called microcystins, which are potent hepatotoxins and probable tumor promoters. Because M. aeruginosa coexists with A. flos-aquae, it can be collected inadvertently during the harvesting process, resulting in microcystin contamination of BGA products. In fact, in 1996 microcystins were detected in 85 of 87 samples tested, with 63 samples (72%) containing mor than legal concentrations > 1 µg/g. Some might treat the information with alarm, some with incredulity, but there it is. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Duncan Crow <duncancrow M. aeruginosa produces compounds called microcystins, ----------OK, I guess some of you did not read what I said - There have NEVER been any toxins found in Aphanizomenon flos-aquae from the company I deal with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In fact, in 1996 microcystins were detected in 85 of 87 samples tested, with 63 samples (72%) containing mor than legal concentrations > 1 µg/g. --------So what company were these samples from? You don’t know, do you. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 --- so you are saying that your algae does not come from Klamath Lake? the lake all the samples were taken from... so I guess the stuff you sell is grown in a laboratory? where does it come from? why dont you just show us the tests that ya'll claim proves no toxins ever or have you never been given access to the " alledged testing " ? In , " Carol Minnick " <carolminnick@a...> wrote: > > Duncan Crow <duncancrow@> > > > > M. aeruginosa produces compounds called microcystins, > > ----------OK, I guess some of you did not read what I said - There have > NEVER been any toxins found in Aphanizomenon flos-aquae from the company I > deal with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > In fact, in 1996 microcystins were detected in 85 of 87 samples > tested, with 63 samples (72%) containing mor than legal > concentrations > 1 µg/g. > > --------So what company were these samples from? You don't know, do you. > > Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Mr. Mad Cow – I thought you told me to stop posting about this – but here you are asking me more questions!!!!!!! I don’t get it. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 ---I " ll take that as your consent that your product does come from Klamath Lake In , " Carol Minnick " <carolminnick@a...> wrote: > Mr. Mad Cow - I thought you told me to stop posting about this - but here > you are asking me more questions!!!!!!! I don't get it. > > Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 " madcowcoverup " <k_t723 --- so you are saying that your algae does not come from Klamath Lake? the lake all the samples were taken from... so I guess the stuff you sell is grown in a laboratory? where does it come from? ----------- Hmmmm, another question. Do you want me post my answer? Or like you asked me before, do you want me to stop posting on this subject? At any rate, thanks for all this exposure. Ok, I’ll answer. Yes, of course it comes from Klamath Lake. The samples you are talking about were not taken from the lake, they were taken from bottles already processed and sitting on store shelves. The samples were not taken from our bottles. So maybe – just maybe – depending on the company – maybe some companies know how not use the other stuff. Wow, what a concept. Before you posted all that erroneous information, did you by any chance contact the two leading experts on algae: Dr. Don Anderson of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute or Dr. Wayne Carmichael of Wright State University, both of whom have published numerous papers on the unique properties of Aphanizomenon flos-aquae in Upper Klamath Lake - and who can speak with eminent authority on the issue of the safety of the product and our purification processes which ensure safety?? No? I didn’t think you did. Dr. Anderson and Dr. Carmichael authored an article that was published in the Journal of Applied Phycology, which details the harvesting process. This article was published in December 2000 by Kluwer Academic Publishers. In addition, Dr. Carmichael co-authored another article entitled " Taxonomic re-evaluation of Aphanizomenon flos-aquae NH-5 based on morphology and 16S rRNA gene sequences, " published in Hydrobiologia by Kluwer Academic Publishers. This paper shows that the earlier toxin producing strains called AFA are not the species that grows in Upper Klamath Lake which we harvest. Aphanizomenon flos-aquae in Upper Klamath Lake has never been shown to produce a toxin. Each batch (lot) of our algae is rigorously subjected to advanced processing technologies as well as a battery of scientific tests to ensure that the algae consistently meets the highest standards of quality, safety, and purity. In addition to the in-house testing that is performed, they retain five external, independent laboratories that regularly test each batch of algae using a variety of assays and following a strict schedule to detect the presence of any possible toxins. Such testing procedures are performed on every batch by external laboratories to ensure an unbiased and independent evaluation. As a result of all these tests, our algae is one of the purest and safest foods available. Here is a list of articles, books and clinical studies about wild-crafted blue green algae’s positive impact on the brain. Algae to the Rescue! (1996). Karl J. Abrams. pp. 89-96. " Algae in baby's formula? Yes put there on purpose. " The Seattle Times, Feb. 23, 1997. " Algae extract adds a nutrient key to higher IQ. " " Favorable effects of blue-green algae Aphanizomenon flosaquae on rate plasma lipids. " (2000). Kushak R, et al. Journal of the American Nutraceutical Association. 2(3):59-65. Living Foods for Optimum Health. (1998). Brian Clement. pp. 155-157. " Microalgae: First and finest superfood. " (April, 1995). Body Mind Spirit. 14(3):12-18. Super-Learning 2000. (2000). Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder. " Smart Food and Super Nutrition " , P. 197. The Children and Algae Report. (1995). Jarratt C., Jewett M., Peters S, and Tragash E. The Center for Family Wellness, Harvard, Mass. The Indigo Children: The New Kids Have Arrived. (1999). Carroll L. and Tober J. Hay House Inc. P. 188. " Ten Foods That Pack a Wallop " . Time, Jan. 21, 2002. The Nicaragua Report. (1995). Study on the effects of Super Blue Green¨ Algae on the nutritional status and school performance of first, second and third grade children attending the Monsenor Velez School in Nandaime, Nicaragua. " Sevilla and Aguiree's study of 1,567 students demonstrated an 81% increase in the average standardized test scores among malnourished children eating only .5 to 1 gram of Super Blue Green¨ Algae a day over a six month period. Subjects showed significantly increased classroom attendance and participation, as well as marked improvement in overall health. Academically, the Valez school went from having one of the lowest national scholastic test scores to achieving one of the best. " " Top Ten Most Important Supplements of the New Millennium " . Vitamin Retailer. Jan. 2002. " Blue-green algae supplements are poised to take off because they are a rich source of so many nutrients, including all the essential amino acids. Vitamin B- 12, Vitamin B-2, beta-carotene and calcium " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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