Guest guest Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 i have been sick and getting sicker since 1995. my docs won't help with any pain clinic referrals or any pain treatment. i have medicare and pain management is for those who can pay... i have severe fibromyalgia and was diagnosed severe bipolar about three years ago...but, am i depressed because of the constant severe pain? my missing pituitary gland that decided to fall out a few years ago? which came first? i am investigating nutrition to help myself and to get off 2 thousand dollars in medicatioins each month. i believe my case is being handled very badly. my doc got mad when i suggested she do tests or even a trial period away from some of these meds. does anyone have anything they could share about how they are using nutritional therapy for bipolar and or fibromyalgia? i am collecting info on my own...i really feel alone and medically mishandled in this. mention nutrition to my doc and she shakes her head like i am a child with a really dumb idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Hi Yhere Here is a recent post; I remember that frank posted one on bi polar recently too.Looking for it. Kathy I know that there has been a lot of stuff posted about " mental illness " lately, but a huge percentage of the population is on some sort of psychotropic medication such as antidepressants, tranquilizers, ritalin, etc .. Please help spread the word on the dangers involved and that there are safe effective natural alternatives.. F. SSRI-Research 9 May 2004 19:21:17 -0000 [sSRI-Research] File - Depression & Mood Disorders Depression and Mood Disorders http://www.gsdl.com/assessments/finddisease/depression/ Feelings of hopelessness, chronic apathy, and low energy levels are some of the crippling symptoms of depression. Depression can appear as a consequence of a life change such as divorce, death of a family member, or loss of work‹or it may insidiously unfold without a clear cause. For this disorder, the well-known adage, " sound body-sound mind " reveals a simple basic truth. That's because depression is commonly intertwined with a vast number of diverse conditions and illnesses--and uncovering potential imbalances can be a powerful tool for an effective natural and holistic approach to emotional healing. Depression and Amino Acids: The building blocks of protein, amino acids are crucial source material for the production of important brain neurotransmitters. Imbalances can result in several major dysfunctions of the central nervous system linked to depression. Depression and Thyroid Function: A substantial portion of patients with depression suffer from thyroid hormone imbalances that may make them more treatment-resistant. Depression and Allergy: Depression seems to predispose individuals to increased immune hypersensitivity to a wide range of food and environmental allergens. Depression and Melatonin: Imbalances of the pineal hormone melatonin are linked to Seasonal Affective Disorder and other mood and behavior problems. Disrupted secretion patterns of melatonin can also seriously interfere with sleep, worsening existing symptoms of depression. Depression and Adrenal Hormones: Overly high levels of the adrenal hormone cortisol often underlie the biochemical pattern characteristic of depression, particularly when stress and obesity are also part of the clinical picture. Depression and Digestive Function: A faulty digestive process can result in the malabsorption of key nutrients necessary for maintaining healthy mood patterns and overall feeling of well-being. Overgrowth of certain intestinal yeasts such as Candida albicans can also trigger mood swings. Depression and Toxins and Nutrients: Overexposure to heavy metal toxins like lead and mercury have been clinically shown to induce a psychiatric symptoms such as anxiety and depression. Mineral nutrient imbalances can also cause resistance to treatment. Depression and Glucose and Insulin Tolerance: Fluctuating blood sugar levels, particularly in diabetic patients, can result in increased depression, tension, and fatigue. Depression and Vitamins: The B-vitamins play an important role in the proper metabolism of important brain neurotransmitters linked to mood and behavior. Depression and Fatty Acids: Fatty acid deficiencies could significantly contribute to symptoms of depression, particularly in those at high risk of omega-3 deficiencies, such as alcoholics and post partum women. Depression and Female Hormones: Female hormone imbalances may help explain why women are much more prone to certain types of depression than men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Hi There, I can imagine just how isolated you feel with your health problems because only you really understand them. Been there, seen that. And if there's one thing that a doctor/physician hates, it's an intelligent patient who wants to help herself. Been there too, when I was waiting to have a hysterectomy. I saw 4 gyns altogether before I found one that would agree to leave my healthy ovaries behind. All the others told my they never left ovaries unless you intended to have more children. I was told I'd have to take HRT for the rest of my life. Yeah, right. When I said I wanted to keep my ovaries, their smiles faded fast. Needless to say, I didn't let them operate. That's another story, though. Big causes of muscle pain for some people (whether they are diagnosed with fibromyalgia or not) are refined sugar, wheat, alcohol - in fact most refined carbs seem to contribute to it. They all produce a degree of pain and muscle weakness / loss of coordination for me, if I indulge in them too much. The worst for me is sugar. It's to do with the build up of toxic chemicals in your blood stream that your liver is having difficulty removing. I also get dry eyes and brain fog at the same time, and brain fog could be (I imagine) caused by toxins crossing he blood/brain barrier. You could try the following links, though I expect you've seen them already: http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/CFS/fib_nutrition.htm http://www.nfra.net/fibromyalgia_nutrition.htm There are many more in the Google search engine, and no single suggested diet works for all. Your meds for bipolar may even be causing some of your reactions to things in your diet too if they make you sensitive to foodstuffs. I had a friend who was bipoar a few years ago, and she never had muscle pain or fatigue before she went on her bipolar meds. Interesting, eh? It may be useful to search all your medications on the Internet and look for the side effects. Topiramate (Topamax) for example causes drowsiness and fatigue. So enough water should be taken with it - maybe more water all round may help flush some toxins away - without overdoing the water Excesses cause brain swelling, as with kids who take ecstasy and down too many pints of water to compensate for dehydration. I was reading my Sunday paper a couple of weeks ago (I live in the UK), and it has a column by a Dr James le Fanu, who likes to combine alternative treatments with regular ones. He wrote that a correspondent had written to him to tell him that when he went to his pharmacy with his regular prescriptions for psoriasis, hair loss, and dry eyes, he was given a leaflet outlining the side effects of his drugs for the first time - they were psoriasis, thinning hair and dry eyes. But he didn't know which came first, like you with your pituitary. Did your pituitary fail or what? Are you on any hormones for it?? I don't know if any of this helps you. Many people on this list are here because of similar experiences with the medical profession - you aren't alone there. Maybe others have more info to give you. Good luck! S ___________________ On 13 May 2004, at 06:58, deborahlg56 wrote: > i have been sick and getting sicker since 1995. my docs won't help > with any pain clinic referrals or any pain treatment. i have medicare > and pain management is for those who can pay... i have severe > fibromyalgia and was diagnosed severe bipolar about three years > ago...but, am i depressed because of the constant severe pain? my > missing pituitary gland that decided to fall out a few years ago? > which came first? i am investigating nutrition to help myself and to > get off 2 thousand dollars in medicatioins each month. i believe my > case is being handled very badly. my doc got mad when i suggested she > do tests or even a trial period away from some of these meds. does > anyone have anything they could share about how they are using > nutritional therapy for bipolar and or fibromyalgia? i am collecting > info on my own...i really feel alone and medically mishandled in > this. mention nutrition to my doc and she shakes her head like i am a > child with a really dumb idea. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Hello Deborah, I replied to this post in an email also because I have many articles saved that could possibly help you. I also have fibromyalgia and only got worse under a doctor's " care. " It wasn't until I changed my diet that I got any relief at all from the pain and fatigue. The main change I made was eliminate all processed foods from my diet. Too bad the doctors never told me to do that in the first place as it could have saved me YEARS of suffering! Anyway, check your email (the one posted in this group) and I will send you what I have concerning FM. It's way too much to post here! Best to you, Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 -wow! that list you sent confirms my idea that there must be something i can do. i am a diabetic and the doc has me on a low protein high carb diet that i do not think agress with me. i have no pituitary gland anymore but no one knows why so that affects ALL my hormone levels and i had a hysterectomy. i believe the standard american approach to treatment is making me feel worse and i am going to start doing what makes me feel better ! thanks!!by the way, my bipolar has what they call psychotic symptoms. i am medicated not for the depression part but for those symptoms. i am still depressed despite all their truckload of meds... -- In , " The Mitcheners " <spiritfire@t...> wrote: > Hi Yhere > Here is a recent post; > I remember that frank posted one on bi polar recently too.Looking for it. > > Kathy > > I know that there has been a lot of stuff posted about " mental illness " > lately, but a huge percentage of the population is on some sort of > psychotropic medication such as antidepressants, tranquilizers, ritalin, etc > . Please help spread the word on the dangers involved and that there are > safe effective natural alternatives.. F. > > SSRI-Research > > 9 May 2004 19:21:17 -0000 > [sSRI-Research] File - Depression & Mood Disorders > > > Depression and Mood Disorders > http://www.gsdl.com/assessments/finddisease/depression/ > > Feelings of hopelessness, chronic apathy, and low energy levels are some of > the crippling symptoms of depression. Depression can appear as a consequence > of a life change such as divorce, death of a family member, or loss of > work‹or it may insidiously unfold without a clear cause. For this disorder, > the well-known adage, " sound body-sound mind " reveals a simple basic truth. > That's because depression is commonly intertwined with a vast number of > diverse conditions and illnesses--and uncovering potential imbalances can be > a powerful tool for an effective natural and holistic approach to emotional > healing. > > Depression and Amino Acids: The building blocks of protein, amino acids are > crucial source material for the production of important brain > neurotransmitters. Imbalances can result in several major dysfunctions of > the central nervous system linked to depression. > > Depression and Thyroid Function: A substantial portion of patients with > depression suffer from thyroid hormone imbalances that may make them more > treatment-resistant. > > Depression and Allergy: Depression seems to predispose individuals to > increased immune hypersensitivity to a wide range of food and environmental > allergens. > > Depression and Melatonin: Imbalances of the pineal hormone melatonin are > linked to Seasonal Affective Disorder and other mood and behavior problems. > Disrupted secretion patterns of melatonin can also seriously interfere with > sleep, worsening existing symptoms of depression. > > Depression and Adrenal Hormones: Overly high levels of the adrenal hormone > cortisol often underlie the biochemical pattern characteristic of > depression, particularly when stress and obesity are also part of the > clinical picture. > > Depression and Digestive Function: A faulty digestive process can result in > the malabsorption of key nutrients necessary for maintaining healthy mood > patterns and overall feeling of well-being. Overgrowth of certain intestinal > yeasts such as Candida albicans can also trigger mood swings. > > Depression and Toxins and Nutrients: Overexposure to heavy metal toxins like > lead and mercury have been clinically shown to induce a psychiatric symptoms > such as anxiety and depression. Mineral nutrient imbalances can also cause > resistance to treatment. > > Depression and Glucose and Insulin Tolerance: Fluctuating blood sugar > levels, particularly in diabetic patients, can result in increased > depression, tension, and fatigue. > > Depression and Vitamins: The B-vitamins play an important role in the proper > metabolism of important brain neurotransmitters linked to mood and behavior. > > Depression and Fatty Acids: Fatty acid deficiencies could significantly > contribute to symptoms of depression, particularly in those at high risk of > omega-3 deficiencies, such as alcoholics and post partum women. > > Depression and Female Hormones: Female hormone imbalances may help explain > why women are much more prone to certain types of depression than men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 My sister was being treated for fibromyalgia for years with no relief. Turns out she really had a slipped disk in her back. You may be suffering from leaky gut syndrome. If you read up on it, you'll find most disease/illness starts in your gut. Different people develop different symptoms. Something you are eating could very well be making you sick. Watch out for processed foods & items containing artificial sweeteners. They are actually chemicals not recognized by the body. You may need to detoxify your system to get out the junk already there. Keeping a food diary may help pinpoint a problem food. Try to find a good naturopathic doctor. They will treat your whole self. Traditional doctors will give you a pill to mask a symptom, but usually not treat the cause. Taking protein enzymes on an empty stomach is suppose to reduce inflammation in the body. This may help make you feel better. If you are not feeling well, you probably have a stressed endocrine system that could be causing depression. You may find all your problems are the result of one underlying cause that has escalated beyond what your body could handle before it got overloaded. , " deborahlg56 " <deborahlg56> wrote: > i have been sick and getting sicker since 1995. my docs won't help > with any pain clinic referrals or any pain treatment. i have medicare > and pain management is for those who can pay... i have severe > fibromyalgia and was diagnosed severe bipolar about three years > ago...but, am i depressed because of the constant severe pain? my > missing pituitary gland that decided to fall out a few years ago? > which came first? i am investigating nutrition to help myself and to > get off 2 thousand dollars in medicatioins each month. i believe my > case is being handled very badly. my doc got mad when i suggested she > do tests or even a trial period away from some of these meds. does > anyone have anything they could share about how they are using > nutritional therapy for bipolar and or fibromyalgia? i am collecting > info on my own...i really feel alone and medically mishandled in > this. mention nutrition to my doc and she shakes her head like i am a > child with a really dumb idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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