Psychotropic meds and some possible alternatives

[Guest guest]

Dear Group,

 

For those who want to learn about psychotropic meds and some possible

alternatives here is a list. Drugs are almost never the answer and will usually

cause more problems, but look appealing because they seem to offer a quick fix.

What they do is seem to work for awhile but the resultant damage caused by them

is usually worse than the original complaint.

 

This is a few of the links from the group's links page that deal with these

meds. We have many more links to other areas of alternative health there.

 

Here is a partial list of sites that discuss psychotropic medications

and some natural alternatives.

 

Our online .

Alternative Medicine Forum

Our group for using natural means to cure disease or obtain optimal

health and exposing the dangers prevalent in our modern health

systems..

 

 

 

These are some message boards that we put up.

 

Alternative Medicine Message Boards

The Alternative Medicine Message Boards cover most areas of

alternative healing and treatment.

http://www.alternative-medicine-message-boards.info

 

 

Alternative Mental Health

Site for the Non Drug treatment of mental illness.

http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/

 

Anti-depressants - SSRI type drugs

Dangers involved with taking SSRI type drugs.

http://www.prozacspotlight.org

 

Antipsychiatry Coalition

The Antipsychiatry Coalition is a nonprofit volunteer group

consisting of people who feel we have been harmed by psychiatry - and

of our supporters.

http://www.antipsychiatry.org/

 

Benzo org

The mother of all benzo truth sites. Find out the real truth about

all benzos like valium, ativan, xanax, librium, klonipin etc. If you

are taking a tranquilizer or a sleeping pill, you probably are being

damaged and don't know it.

http://www.benzo.org.uk

 

Benzodiazepine Problems Group

A group for people who have taken benzodiazepines (valium, xanax,

klonipin etc.) and have been hurt by the horrible effects of these

drugs.

benzo/

 

 

Dr. Peter Breggin's Website

Dr. Breggins website showing the dangers of drugs for mental illness.

They actually cause mental illness. A very good site.

http://www.breggin.com/

 

Drug Awareness

The dangers about many prescription drugs for depression, etc., and

their possible horrible consequences

http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html

 

Equal, Nutrasweet, Equal Measure, Spoonful

DORway consists of around 800 WEB pages (approximately 12,000 printed

pages) of solid time-tested documentation that aspartame is neither a

decent diet aid... nor was it ever proven to be safe!

http://www.dorway.com/

 

Medical Truth Online

To Communicate truth and hope by encouraging the ill and disabled to

persue their healing through proven effective treatments, and to

educate and inform the public about the state of the medical system

in the US.

http://medicaltruth.com/home.mgi

 

Mental Health Project

Nutritional solutions for:• ADHD • Dyslexia/Dyspraxia • Autism •

DepressionManic Depression • Anxiety • Alzheimer's disease •

Schizophrenia• Dementia • Parkinson's disease.

http://www.mentalhealthproject.com/

 

Mind Freedom

Win human rights in the mental health field. The

description " psychiatric survivors " is used by individuals who

identify themselves as having experienced human rights violations in

the mental health system.

http://www.mindfreedom.org/

 

Pharmacuetical drugs

Page by Dr. M. Rath about the drug industry

http://www.drrath.com/mr-publishing-internet/politics/pc/uk/index.htm

 

Prozac Truth

site about the dangers of SSRI type antidepressants like Prozac,

Paxil, Effexor and others.

http://www.prozactruth.com

 

Quit Paxil, Prozac and other SSRI type antidepressants safely before

you are damaged

SSRI drugs covered. Quitting safely. Dangers involed with taking

these type medications.

http://www.quitpaxil.org

 

SAY NO TO DRUGS!

This site contains more than 600 modern drugs that are likely to be

prescribed by our orthodox medical doctors along-side the usually low-

cost, non-toxic, and often more effective orthomolecular alternatives

http://www.internetwks.com/saynotodrugs

 

SSRI research -

about SSRI type drugs like Prozac, Paxil, etc.

ssri-research

 

SSRI type drugs - Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, etc.

Group for the education about the horrible dangers in SSRI type

antidepressants like prozac, paxil, zoloft, etc.

drugawareness

 

Safe Harbor Group

Safe Harbor is a non-profit agency which was formed to help find

alternatives to traditional psychiatric methods in relieving mental

disturbances or distress.

safeharbor2/

 

True Hope

Truehope Nutritional Support Ltd. is a non-profit company dedicated

to sharing its knowledge worldwide to offer hope to all who suffer

from mental illness.

http://www.truehope.com/home.asp

 

Truth about Prozac, Paxil and other serotonin type drugs.

A group for those who have been damaged by the very real dangers of

serotonin type drugs. ie. Antidepressants, Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft and

others..

prozactruth/

 

The address to our home page is on the bottom of this message and every message.

Go to our homepage and click on " links " .

 

regards,

Frank

 

 

 

 

Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2'

 

 

[Guest guest]

Frank,

 

Mainstream treatment of mental/emotional problems is no different

than mainstream treatment of degenerative illnesses.

 

I was MISdiagnosed with " manic-depression " or " bi-polar depression "

in 1972. In fact, I think " diagnoses " are extremely harmful to people

with mental/emotional difficulties. Each human being is DIFFERENT

from every other human being. Clumping people into

various " diagnoses " does nothing but make it easy for doctors and

drug companies to make money from " medicating " them.

 

Once I was diagnosed, NO psychiatrist EVER looked at anything but

my " file. " I was NOT the person " Elliot, " but, rather, a " manic-

depressive, " which meant, of course, that I needed to be " medicated "

with drugs so that I would remain " stable. "

 

I was NEVER stable again UNTIL I somehow found a social worker, NOT a

psychiatrist, who was willing to ignore my " file " and to start over

again with me as a person---to speak with me and to form her own

ideas and opinions as to what was going on with me that was causing

me to have such tremendous highs and such abject lows.

 

Here is a for instance, and a difference between what a psychiatrist

said about the rages I used to get into and what the social worker

said:

 

Psychiatrist: " You have a problem with rage. It is genetic and

environmental. You will ALWAYS have a problem with rage. Medication

is the ONLY way to deal with your rage problem. "

 

Social Worker: " You have a problem with rage. BUT you have CHOICES

about whether to ALLOW yourself to get into rages. For instance, when

you had that terrible argument with your father the other day, HOW

LONG BEFORE the argument began did you KNOW you MIGHT get into an

argument? (about 30 minutes, I replied) Then WHY DIDN'T YOU LEAVE THE

ROOM? "

 

A great part of that social worker's therapy had to do with

convincing me that I HAD CHOICES about my actions and my reactions.

What a difference between that and allowing myself to become a

medicated robot, to be ever under the (mis)guidance of a psychiatrist!

 

I believe drugs CAN be useful, but ONLY to bring a " manic " person

down enough, or a " depressed " person up enough, that he can be

engaged in conversation, so that the roots of his problems can be

figured out and dealt with! BUT to use drugs as the PRIMARY treatment

for mental/emotional difficulties is a terrible

mistake. " Breakthroughs " of a " mood swing " problem are bound to occur

if its roots are not identified and worked through.

 

Unfortunately, it appears to me that the better " educated " a mental

health worker is, the less in touch they are with what to do to make

a person well! Because of their belief in " medication, " psychiatrists

are the very WORST at helping people with mental/emotional problems

to recover. They are followed closely by psychologists.

 

Best wishes,

 

Elliot

 

 

 

(Answer to Elliot included with post),

 

I have followed the fields of psychology and psychiatry for mny years now. The

studies done over a long term show that most psychiatry and most psychology

treatments do not do much to help. In fact a much greater proportion of patients

got better by going to no one and by doing no treatment. There have been some

changes in psychology recently though, which seem to hold some promise, such as

" cognitive " therapy or others similar which sets up a specific learning process

to bring about change.

 

Other studies confirm that it is almost impossible to effect any change in a

patient who is on some psychotropic medication. It disrupts the cognitive

process that is needed to for the patient to understand the problem clearly, to

understand the effects and consequences, and to understand the need for change

and to be able to do so. People on medication consistently stay " mentally ill "

and usually get worse over time. A lot of their " mental problems " are a sirect

result of the drugs, even though initially they may appear to help, but they are

told, that it is them and not the drugs. Of course most patients believe the

experts and are then trapped into a lfetime of treatment and subsequent downward

spiral of drugs, worsening of symptoms over time, more drugs, worsening over

time, etc. It ruins many lives, but psytropic drugs are one of the most

profitable for the drug companies.

 

Frank )

 

 

 

 

 

, Frank

<califpacific> wrote:

> Dear Group,

>

> For those who want to learn about psychotropic meds and some

possible alternatives here is a list. Drugs are almost never the

answer and will usually cause more problems, but look appealing

because they seem to offer a quick fix. What they do is seem to work

for awhile but the resultant damage caused by them is usually worse

than the original complaint.

>

> This is a few of the links from the group's links page that deal

with these meds. We have many more links to other areas of

alternative health there.

>

> Here is a partial list of sites that discuss psychotropic

medications

> and some natural alternatives.

>

> Our online .

> Alternative Medicine Forum

> Our group for using natural means to cure disease or obtain optimal

> health and exposing the dangers prevalent in our modern health

> systems..

>

>

>

> These are some message boards that we put up.

>

> Alternative Medicine Message Boards

> The Alternative Medicine Message Boards cover most areas of

> alternative healing and treatment.

> http://www.alternative-medicine-message-boards.info

>

>

> Alternative Mental Health

> Site for the Non Drug treatment of mental illness.

> http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/

>

> Anti-depressants - SSRI type drugs

> Dangers involved with taking SSRI type drugs.

> http://www.prozacspotlight.org

>

> Antipsychiatry Coalition

> The Antipsychiatry Coalition is a nonprofit volunteer group

> consisting of people who feel we have been harmed by psychiatry -

and

> of our supporters.

> http://www.antipsychiatry.org/

>

> Benzo org

> The mother of all benzo truth sites. Find out the real truth about

> all benzos like valium, ativan, xanax, librium, klonipin etc. If you

> are taking a tranquilizer or a sleeping pill, you probably are being

> damaged and don't know it.

> http://www.benzo.org.uk

>

> Benzodiazepine Problems Group

> A group for people who have taken benzodiazepines (valium, xanax,

> klonipin etc.) and have been hurt by the horrible effects of these

> drugs.

> benzo/

>

>

> Dr. Peter Breggin's Website

> Dr. Breggins website showing the dangers of drugs for mental

illness.

> They actually cause mental illness. A very good site.

> http://www.breggin.com/

>

> Drug Awareness

> The dangers about many prescription drugs for depression, etc., and

> their possible horrible consequences

> http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html

>

> Equal, Nutrasweet, Equal Measure, Spoonful

> DORway consists of around 800 WEB pages (approximately 12,000

printed

> pages) of solid time-tested documentation that aspartame is neither

a

> decent diet aid... nor was it ever proven to be safe!

> http://www.dorway.com/

>

> Medical Truth Online

> To Communicate truth and hope by encouraging the ill and disabled to

> persue their healing through proven effective treatments, and to

> educate and inform the public about the state of the medical system

> in the US.

> http://medicaltruth.com/home.mgi

>

> Mental Health Project

> Nutritional solutions for:• ADHD • Dyslexia/Dyspraxia • Autism •

> DepressionManic Depression • Anxiety • Alzheimer's disease •

> Schizophrenia• Dementia • Parkinson's disease.

> http://www.mentalhealthproject.com/

>

> Mind Freedom

> Win human rights in the mental health field. The

> description " psychiatric survivors " is used by individuals who

> identify themselves as having experienced human rights violations in

> the mental health system.

> http://www.mindfreedom.org/

>

> Pharmacuetical drugs

> Page by Dr. M. Rath about the drug industry

> http://www.drrath.com/mr-publishing-

internet/politics/pc/uk/index.htm

>

> Prozac Truth

> site about the dangers of SSRI type antidepressants like Prozac,

> Paxil, Effexor and others.

> http://www.prozactruth.com

>

> Quit Paxil, Prozac and other SSRI type antidepressants safely before

> you are damaged

> SSRI drugs covered. Quitting safely. Dangers involed with taking

> these type medications.

> http://www.quitpaxil.org

>

> SAY NO TO DRUGS!

> This site contains more than 600 modern drugs that are likely to be

> prescribed by our orthodox medical doctors along-side the usually

low-

> cost, non-toxic, and often more effective orthomolecular

alternatives

> http://www.internetwks.com/saynotodrugs

>

> SSRI research -

> about SSRI type drugs like Prozac, Paxil, etc.

> ssri-research

>

> SSRI type drugs - Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, etc.

> Group for the education about the horrible dangers in SSRI type

> antidepressants like prozac, paxil, zoloft, etc.

> drugawareness

>

> Safe Harbor Group

> Safe Harbor is a non-profit agency which was formed to help find

> alternatives to traditional psychiatric methods in relieving mental

> disturbances or distress.

> safeharbor2/

>

> True Hope

> Truehope Nutritional Support Ltd. is a non-profit company dedicated

> to sharing its knowledge worldwide to offer hope to all who suffer

> from mental illness.

> http://www.truehope.com/home.asp

>

> Truth about Prozac, Paxil and other serotonin type drugs.

> A group for those who have been damaged by the very real dangers of

> serotonin type drugs. ie. Antidepressants, Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft and

> others..

> prozactruth/

>

> The address to our home page is on the bottom of this message and

every message. Go to our homepage and click on " links " .

>

> regards,

> Frank

>

>

>

>

> Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2'

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duplicate message, correcting typos in earlier message, which has

been deleted:

 

Frank, BELIEF is an extremely important factor in whether or not a

person who suffers from so-called " manic-depression " can wean himself

off drugs.

 

When a person and his family, immediate and extended---and even his

friends---buy into a psychiatrist's diagnosis that he/she has a

a " chemical imbalance, " that person is then surrounded by people who

believe that he/she will " go crazy " if the drug is not taken

regularly. If that person goes off the drug, the beliefs and

behaviors of those around him as well as he himself will ensure that

he does " go crazy " again. There may even be people in his family who

somehow have an " investment " in his being " crazy " who will do their

best to " push his buttons " to cause him to " go crazy " again.

 

A very large part of my getting free of being " medicated " was

throwing off the doctors and the people who believed in the " illness "

and in the medication and gathering around me new people who either

did not believe in the diagnosis or had never heard of it. This

process was not without pain and suffering, including repeated

hospitalizations.

 

I do not recommend that people presently on medication for " manic-

depression " or some other diagnosis simply cease taking whatever drug

they are on. I suggest they talk about getting off drugs with whoever

their talk therapist is, and try to plan how they will go about the

process. If that person is not amenable to such a thing, they should

find someone who is. They should also do their best to set up a

network of people around themselves who will support their efforts to

get off the drug.

 

There is also a group called " The National Empowerment Center " people

can call who want to get help with getting off psychotropics. If one

does an internet search under " National Empowerment Center " a link

with their phone number and email address can be found, I believe.

 

I believe you are correct, Frank, in that I have read that those who

buy into a diagnosis of " bi-polar depression " and who continue to

be " medicated " and who go in and out of mental institutions tend to

deteriorate over time.

 

Frank, have you heard of Lawrence LeShan? I am not sure he is still

living. He is/was the psychologist/author who wrote " Cancer As A

Turning Point, " which was some of the first ground-breaking work

in " psychoneuroimmunology. " LeShan worked with people with cancer for

whom mainstream treatment held no more hope---people, actually, who

had been ravaged by mainstream therapy. LeShan found that by helping

such people to remember or to identify what they really had it in

their hearts to do with their lives, that many of them went into

remissions, and some of them were cured.

 

But what I want to say about Lawrence LeShan here is that I had the

privilege of having a conversation with the man---a truly great

person, in my opinion---and I told him I thought 90% of psychiatrists

and psychologists weren't worth a hoot. He replied, " More like

98%! " This from a man who had been in the field for 50 years!

 

Frank, I do hold with my feeling, from personal experience, that

drugs can have some limited use. There were times when I was so

depressed or was so high that I could not even begin to have a

conversation about what was happening inside me. Cognitive therapy was

of no use at all when I was in such states. It was only when I'd been

raised a bit or lowered some that I could hold a coherent

conversation. Drugs were definitely not a solution for me, but they

were useful at times.

 

Elliot

 

, " breathedeepnow "

<aug20@m...> wrote:

> Frank,

>

> Mainstream treatment of mental/emotional problems is no different

> than mainstream treatment of degenerative illnesses.

>

> I was MISdiagnosed with " manic-depression " or " bi-polar depression "

> in 1972. In fact, I think " diagnoses " are extremely harmful to

people

> with mental/emotional difficulties. Each human being is DIFFERENT

> from every other human being. Clumping people into

> various " diagnoses " does nothing but make it easy for doctors and

> drug companies to make money from " medicating " them.

>

> Once I was diagnosed, NO psychiatrist EVER looked at anything but

> my " file. " I was NOT the person " Elliot, " but, rather, a " manic-

> depressive, " which meant, of course, that I needed to

be " medicated "

> with drugs so that I would remain " stable. "

>

> I was NEVER stable again UNTIL I somehow found a social worker, NOT

a

> psychiatrist, who was willing to ignore my " file " and to start over

> again with me as a person---to speak with me and to form her own

> ideas and opinions as to what was going on with me that was causing

> me to have such tremendous highs and such abject lows.

>

> Here is a for instance, and a difference between what a

psychiatrist

> said about the rages I used to get into and what the social worker

> said:

>

> Psychiatrist: " You have a problem with rage. It is genetic and

> environmental. You will ALWAYS have a problem with rage. Medication

> is the ONLY way to deal with your rage problem. "

>

> Social Worker: " You have a problem with rage. BUT you have CHOICES

> about whether to ALLOW yourself to get into rages. For instance,

when

> you had that terrible argument with your father the other day, HOW

> LONG BEFORE the argument began did you KNOW you MIGHT get into an

> argument? (about 30 minutes, I replied) Then WHY DIDN'T YOU LEAVE

THE

> ROOM? "

>

> A great part of that social worker's therapy had to do with

> convincing me that I HAD CHOICES about my actions and my reactions.

> What a difference between that and allowing myself to become a

> medicated robot, to be ever under the (mis)guidance of a

psychiatrist!

>

> I believe drugs CAN be useful, but ONLY to bring a " manic " person

> down enough, or a " depressed " person up enough, that he can be

> engaged in conversation, so that the roots of his problems can be

> figured out and dealt with! BUT to use drugs as the PRIMARY

treatment

> for mental/emotional difficulties is a terrible

> mistake. " Breakthroughs " of a " mood swing " problem are bound to

occur

> if its roots are not identified and worked through.

>

> Unfortunately, it appears to me that the better " educated " a mental

> health worker is, the less in touch they are with what to do to

make

> a person well! Because of their belief in " medication, "

psychiatrists

> are the very WORST at helping people with mental/emotional problems

> to recover. They are followed closely by psychologists.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Elliot

>

>

>

> (Answer to Elliot included with post),

>

> I have followed the fields of psychology and psychiatry for mny

years now. The studies done over a long term show that most

psychiatry and most psychology treatments do not do much to help. In

fact a much greater proportion of patients got better by going to no

one and by doing no treatment. There have been some changes in

psychology recently though, which seem to hold some promise, such

as " cognitive " therapy or others similar which sets up a specific

learning process to bring about change.

>

> Other studies confirm that it is almost impossible to effect any

change in a patient who is on some psychotropic medication. It

disrupts the cognitive process that is needed to for the patient to

understand the problem clearly, to understand the effects and

consequences, and to understand the need for change and to be able to

do so. People on medication consistently stay " mentally ill " and

usually get worse over time. A lot of their " mental problems " are a

sirect result of the drugs, even though initially they may appear to

help, but they are told, that it is them and not the drugs. Of course

most patients believe the experts and are then trapped into a lfetime

of treatment and subsequent downward spiral of drugs, worsening of

symptoms over time, more drugs, worsening over time, etc. It ruins

many lives, but psytropic drugs are one of the most profitable for

the drug companies.

>

> Frank )

>

>

>

>

>

> , Frank

> <califpacific> wrote:

> > Dear Group,

> >

> > For those who want to learn about psychotropic meds and some

> possible alternatives here is a list. Drugs are almost never the

> answer and will usually cause more problems, but look appealing

> because they seem to offer a quick fix. What they do is seem to

work

> for awhile but the resultant damage caused by them is usually worse

> than the original complaint.

> >

> > This is a few of the links from the group's links page that deal

> with these meds. We have many more links to other areas of

> alternative health there.

> >

> > Here is a partial list of sites that discuss psychotropic

> medications

> > and some natural alternatives.

> >

> > Our online .

> > Alternative Medicine Forum

> > Our group for using natural means to cure disease or obtain

optimal

> > health and exposing the dangers prevalent in our modern health

> > systems..

> >

> >

> >

> > These are some message boards that we put up.

> >

> > Alternative Medicine Message Boards

> > The Alternative Medicine Message Boards cover most areas of

> > alternative healing and treatment.

> > http://www.alternative-medicine-message-boards.info

> >

> >

> > Alternative Mental Health

> > Site for the Non Drug treatment of mental illness.

> > http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/

> >

> > Anti-depressants - SSRI type drugs

> > Dangers involved with taking SSRI type drugs.

> > http://www.prozacspotlight.org

> >

> > Antipsychiatry Coalition

> > The Antipsychiatry Coalition is a nonprofit volunteer group

> > consisting of people who feel we have been harmed by psychiatry -

> and

> > of our supporters.

> > http://www.antipsychiatry.org/

> >

> > Benzo org

> > The mother of all benzo truth sites. Find out the real truth about

> > all benzos like valium, ativan, xanax, librium, klonipin etc. If

you

> > are taking a tranquilizer or a sleeping pill, you probably are

being

> > damaged and don't know it.

> > http://www.benzo.org.uk

> >

> > Benzodiazepine Problems Group

> > A group for people who have taken benzodiazepines (valium, xanax,

> > klonipin etc.) and have been hurt by the horrible effects of these

> > drugs.

> > benzo/

> >

> >

> > Dr. Peter Breggin's Website

> > Dr. Breggins website showing the dangers of drugs for mental

> illness.

> > They actually cause mental illness. A very good site.

> > http://www.breggin.com/

> >

> > Drug Awareness

> > The dangers about many prescription drugs for depression, etc.,

and

> > their possible horrible consequences

> > http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html

> >

> > Equal, Nutrasweet, Equal Measure, Spoonful

> > DORway consists of around 800 WEB pages (approximately 12,000

> printed

> > pages) of solid time-tested documentation that aspartame is

neither

> a

> > decent diet aid... nor was it ever proven to be safe!

> > http://www.dorway.com/

> >

> > Medical Truth Online

> > To Communicate truth and hope by encouraging the ill and disabled

to

> > persue their healing through proven effective treatments, and to

> > educate and inform the public about the state of the medical

system

> > in the US.

> > http://medicaltruth.com/home.mgi

> >

> > Mental Health Project

> > Nutritional solutions for:• ADHD • Dyslexia/Dyspraxia • Autism •

> > DepressionManic Depression • Anxiety • Alzheimer's disease •

> > Schizophrenia• Dementia • Parkinson's disease.

> > http://www.mentalhealthproject.com/

> >

> > Mind Freedom

> > Win human rights in the mental health field. The

> > description " psychiatric survivors " is used by individuals who

> > identify themselves as having experienced human rights violations

in

> > the mental health system.

> > http://www.mindfreedom.org/

> >

> > Pharmacuetical drugs

> > Page by Dr. M. Rath about the drug industry

> > http://www.drrath.com/mr-publishing-

> internet/politics/pc/uk/index.htm

> >

> > Prozac Truth

> > site about the dangers of SSRI type antidepressants like Prozac,

> > Paxil, Effexor and others.

> > http://www.prozactruth.com

> >

> > Quit Paxil, Prozac and other SSRI type antidepressants safely

before

> > you are damaged

> > SSRI drugs covered. Quitting safely. Dangers involed with taking

> > these type medications.

> > http://www.quitpaxil.org

> >

> > SAY NO TO DRUGS!

> > This site contains more than 600 modern drugs that are likely to

be

> > prescribed by our orthodox medical doctors along-side the usually

> low-

> > cost, non-toxic, and often more effective orthomolecular

> alternatives

> > http://www.internetwks.com/saynotodrugs

> >

> > SSRI research -

> > about SSRI type drugs like Prozac, Paxil, etc.

> > ssri-research

> >

> > SSRI type drugs - Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, etc.

> > Group for the education about the horrible dangers in SSRI type

> > antidepressants like prozac, paxil, zoloft, etc.

> > drugawareness

> >

> > Safe Harbor Group

> > Safe Harbor is a non-profit agency which was formed to help find

> > alternatives to traditional psychiatric methods in relieving

mental

> > disturbances or distress.

> > safeharbor2/

> >

> > True Hope

> > Truehope Nutritional Support Ltd. is a non-profit company

dedicated

> > to sharing its knowledge worldwide to offer hope to all who suffer

> > from mental illness.

> > http://www.truehope.com/home.asp

> >

> > Truth about Prozac, Paxil and other serotonin type drugs.

> > A group for those who have been damaged by the very real dangers

of

> > serotonin type drugs. ie. Antidepressants, Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft

and

> > others..

> > prozactruth/

> >

> > The address to our home page is on the bottom of this message and

> every message. Go to our homepage and click on " links " .

> >

> > regards,

> > Frank

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2'

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Elliot and Frank, Sometimes you just have to literally get the lead

out...and mercury, and other metals and toxic chemicals, by detox,

chealation, vitamin C (is detoxer, according to Adele Davis), clean food

,and drink then maybe the mind will be cleared enough to come into ballance

again. Nora G

-

" breathedeepnow " <aug20

 

Friday, May 14, 2004 12:19 AM

Re: Psychotropic meds and some

possible alternatives

 

 

Duplicate message, correcting typos in earlier message, which has

been deleted:

 

Frank, BELIEF is an extremely important factor in whether or not a

person who suffers from so-called " manic-depression " can wean himself

off drugs.