Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Responses to: Focus On Individual In War On Obesity Is Questioned http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3622320.stm " Greater acceptance is needed of the fact that people are unable to simply get up one morning and start to shed the extra weight...As the main factors contributing to the rapid rises in obesity seen in recent years are societal, it is critical that obesity is tackled first and foremost at a societal rather than an individual level. " ============================================================================ Responses posted at http://www.redflagsweekly.com/letters/letters2.htm The Following Letters Are Posted In The Order That They Were Received. Letters Are Edited For Clarity. As the article didn't explain clearly enough just how the societal area would work, I have to say it is individual. Because the area is important, I thought the doctors should be an important peg in the solution, but THEY don't have the time to even begin to tackle this problem. Maybe the Brits solution of going public does have a vital peg in the solution. Let's watch closely. - Dick Banfield ------------------ When I was writing my PhD thesis, I noted with interest that the GMO foods have not yet been thoroughly tested. So, I tried a little experiment of my own. The top food listed for GMO was corn, so I ate corn-on-the-cob every day to see if there was any side effects from GMO foods. I was active as usual because at the time I had no car and did a lot of walking. I noted after a few weeks that I began to put on weight. So I increased my exercise by adding one hour a day, three days a week in the weight room at the gym. I still gained weight. So I stopped eating the corn. I lost the weigh very, very slowly, which was totally abnormal for me, given my level of activity, vitamins and healthy lifestyle that I follow. This little experiment did a lot for me; it allowed me to think beyond the little black box that the media wants me to think in. I began to see that perhaps people who can't lose weight, and only gain weight despite the small amounts of foods they eat and maintain exercise routines, may not be to blame. Perhaps we need to look at another culprit besides what is being blamed for obesity: larger portions, lack of control, stress eating and other reasons thatare valid for some, but not for others. Perhaps we need to take a closer look at the possible weight-gaining effects of GMO foods. -Deborah J Greenhill ------------------------------ When all we heard was " avoid fat, " we did. and we got hungry. on low fat diets I put on more than 20 lbs, and my cholesterol readings got worse and worse, no matter how much I exercised I am 48, and for the past 4 years I have been on my own low carb diet -- eggs for breakfast, no toast, turkey or plain salad for lunch, no bread, no croutons, and a regular meal with my family, with little or no bread, watch my starches. No more cookies after my son got home from school, no more " no fat " snacks after dinner. snacks are almonds, walnuts, cheese or turkey pepperoni. no more skim milk (i.e., skim = milk is virtually pure sugar). I have lost 50 lbs, and 5 inches off my waist. I exercise regularly. I achieved all this only because I got frustrated with the doctors and the mainstream medical press who believe the last thing they just heard is the ultimate truth. My cholesterol readings are better now without drugs, than at any time they forced statins or niacin down my throat (I got very sick every time). So people want to believe that individual decisions don't make a difference? We have no one to blame but ourselves. And before anyone blames the food marketers, remember that they follow marketplace perceptions and behaviors; businesses are not innovators, and what people see in their families and friends is more powerful than any advertising dollar. The marketplace is full of possibilities for choices, and individuals buy what they want. I exercised my options, and others can too. take charge and stop whining. -Joseph Webb ----------------- The problem of obesity will not be solved until individuals take personal responsibility for their health. The problem is that there is so much misinformation ‘out there’, that even those who try are unable to figure out how to do it. The problem is so simple that the truth is overlooked though it stares us in the face. Too many calories, high glycemic foods lead to insulin resistance, which leads to our obesity epidemic. -Walt Meyer ----------------- It's hard for me to have an opinion on the subject of blaming the overweight. No, wait, that's just what I've been taught (taking it on the chin, etc.). I've been overweight since the age of 12, and was plagued with a wide face and broad shoulders before that, so there was never a time I wasn't made fun of for my looks and called fat. I never had a chance of knowing, as a child, that I wasn't necessarily socially unacceptable. When I saw childhood photos 25 years later, the shock was almost overwhelming. Only then was I able to realize what the name-calling had done to me. I wish I could say it helped me become someone else at THAT point, but the underlying depression seemed too deep by then, though no one knows about it but me. So it seems very important to one like me to see children helped to develop better health without blame being attached and worth assessed and found wanting on a personal level. It's doubtful though that our society can stop mocking the individual. Oh, one other point - disappointing though it often is to doctors and others, I'm 60 and have never had problems with my physical health. -Joyce K. ------------ I lost 152 pounds...and still losing. I have a lot to say about this topic...not that I think anyone would really like to hear my opinion...but since you asked...I will share! I do believe that the obesity epidemic is a societal problem. People have become addicted to food and don't even know it. All my life I was blind to what I was doing, and I did feel totally responsible for my own obesity problem. It wasn't until I started to realize how TWISTED society really is that I realized that my problem wasn't really about my lack of will power or self control at all. It took a lot of dedication to myself to learn how to overcome my obesity problem because the problem is multi-faceted. It isn't ONE thing that a person can just change. It isn't simply about what you eat...it is the entire society that is the problem. It starts out with the food guide. Are we really supposed to eat 6-11 servings of grains and cereals a day? Come on...take a look at the human diet before society decided it was going to eat what it liked...we didn't eat any grains! And the whole fat-is-bad myth? We cut fat from our diet, we get hungry more often, lack the essentials in our diet...are miserable and hungry and don't know why so we head to the cupboards and grab empty calories which just keep the whole cycle going. Couple that with their addictive components...and the constant bombardment of cues thanks to media and advertising...and you have a really big problem that people just don't even see the negative downward spiral effect just keeps sucking you down under the excess weight. Obesity is a societal problem that will not go away because just like everything else...it has become a multi-million dollar industry...and those at the top will keep people confused about the truth as long as it will line their pockets! Industry hasn't got me anymore though...Thanks in part to REDFLAGSDAILY...I had the opportunity to find ALTERNATIVE NEWS (which I like to call TRUTH) and in that truth...a little voice taught me how corrupt the world really is...about everything from medical research to our water supply! Keep screaming truth RED FLAGS...keep screaming truth. Just maybe you can change the world...one person at a time? I know I am a whole new me...and nearly half the size I once was! I was 325, now I’m 173 and still shrinking! The battle can be won... -Bobbi Wilson -------------------- 1. It's your body, you made it, it’s up to you to change it. (There may be some tiny percentage of exceptions to this, but not many!) 2. Any societal action should not include legal coercion! NO LAWS OR MORALITY TAXES! 3. Societal action should only include education about health that individual behavior is known to affect! -John Weaver ------------------- As always, the situation is not straight forward. Most people 'move with the mass' of society. We are surrounded by a media driven culture which affects our thoughts and feelings, steering our understanding and attitudes in the direction wanted by those driving the culture. On one hand we've gotten very good at refining the most profitable/economical and efficient food source - carbohydrates. There are a number of industries which have grown around and totally depend upon that culture. On the other hand we missed the point. Our well-intentioned but naïve efficiency is killing us. Perhaps look at three indicators of the current recommended diet (mostly carb/starch/sugar, low fat, some protein); 1. Scientific markers: how do our blood tests compare, how do we rank on risk factors? What are the trends showing us about life expectancy, degenerative diseases, general health? Are they good? Or are they pretty poor, with cholesterol, triglycerides, blood pressure, diabetes, asthma and the general cardiac risk factors? 2. Our natural state. Were we really designed to be overweight, or is that why they call it 'overweight', because we weigh over the amount we should? Our bodies are designed to do a wonderful job of keeping healthy, as long as they live in the environment they are suited to. We were not designed to live on mostly high starchy, sugary carbohydrates. We were designed to live on a protein rich diet, supplemented with fruits, nuts and berries which provide all the nutrients we require. We've totally upset the balance of natural nutrition. 3. Our self-perception and emotional quality of life. How good do we really feel about ourselves, and more importantly, others, and the world we live in? Do we feel full of energy, optimism, balance, contentment? Or do we feel bad about being overweight, stressed at trying to get and stay healthy, tired and overworked? Compare that to the low-carb diet, which has a growing body of well founded medical studies and many real-life examples of success. Blood profiles improve across the board. Our bodies become more efficient, resilient and last longer. We feel and look good. Sure, we made a mistake with the whole carbohydrate/low-fat thing. But we've learned that now. Let’s start to re-educate people, so they want to change. Let’s start telling people about the right things to eat. Agriculture will need to adapt. We follow government advice, because we trust the government, the scientists, the leaders. Those very leaders, who by obligation have a responsibility to do what's right for the people and the country, now need to change and improve their advice, and start to push that advice out into society, where people will still 'move with the mass', but in the right direction. Sure, taking responsibility for ourselves is a very important part of that. But it starts from where we get our reference, from the people who create the recommendations and standards. The scientific community, and the government. Long term it will save millions of lives, save trillions of dollars, improve the life quality of most of the population. Society will benefit, people will benefit. Business will adapt. - Paul Coughlin. ------------------- On the matter of obesity, I believe there is a definite societal factor involved, but probably not what is usually considered. The real reason that I, along with millions of others are overweight, is that our food supply is poisoned with trans-fats, excess sugars, and nutrient free calories, and genetically modiifed foodstocks. Our FDA has allowed that to happen. That's the physical reason. Here comes the societal part: When I was a child right after WW2, television was just coming into the homes, and advertisers had everyone convinced that only white products were pure and safe to use for a woman's family. If she didn't cook in pure white Crisco, she must not love her family. If she baked, she had better use pure white Pillsbury flour. Our clothes had to be made sparkling white by soaking them in chlorine, and the list goes on. Society was indoctrinated into the mindset that white = purity, and all food products had to be refined, taking most of the nutrients out. That was the origin of the first societal factor. It was if society was psychologically trying to make itself clean again, following the horrors, and " dirt " of WW2. Then to make matters worse, society speeded up. We drove faster, worked faster, and ate faster, and generally lived faster. Along came fast foods. I remember the McDonalds sign that said " Over 1 million served " ... now the number is higher than the US national debt. And all of those burgers and fries were prepared in a big tub of rancid trans-fats. All that high speed eating does terrible things to a person’s hormones, causing heart disease, cancer, and obesity. So, yes, society is partially to blame, because it needed to clean up after the war, and immerse itself in progress, and the technology was there to do it. -Rev. William G. Peters, Ph.D --- Tackling obesity primarily as a societal, rather than an individual problem, is wrong. I have been teaching and speaking on Natural Health for 18 years. Society as a whole does not make people ill, over-weight, obese or diseased. We as individuals have that responsibility and choice. If you have 50 people that are rated obese. You can count on every one of the 50 being there because of their individual processes, their own personal problems, issues. If a person becomes obese we must look into the individual’s life to determine his or her unresolved issues We must look at the CAUSE and not the EFFECT. We must take personal responsibility for our thoughts, words, and deeds. -Patricia Ann Hellinger ------------------------------ I feel the obesity epidemic is helped by the failure of our government to regulate the food industry. The FDA could, for example, introduce food labeling with a glycemic index (GI) Unfortunately, huge companies rule. But proper labeling might get companies to make healthier products. -Ginny Hothersall ---------------------- Obesity has to be addressed at BOTH a personal AND societal levels. -Aileen Burford-Mason, PhD - Granted that the effect is societal - or macro, it is the individual - or micro - who opens his/her mouth to swallow foods that are less than basically healthy and is too busy (or whatever) to exercise. However, it is the individual who allows himself to be suckered by advertising directed to the consumer that does not give the consumer the kind of information needed to make rational choices. The fact that good nutritional information is relatively hard to come by is a societal problem -- heaven help us if we expect our governmental agencies at this time to be committed to providing fair, honest information. It also is an organizational problem. Where is the demand within government for certain agencies to function in a professional rather than political culture. I don't expect total truth from all agencies, but it would be nice to be able to expect best-available, striving-for-truth and accuracy in some agencies. I wish I had faith that the FDA does/will provide primarily objective, science-based information based on consumer need rather than on the wants of pharmaceutical and other major forces. If only my elected officials.... Perhaps what we need on a societal level is some education about how advertising works and how consumers or influenced by it. -Gordon Kutler --------------------- I am concerned that our food supply itself is a major contributor to obesity. Are growth hormones given to cattle given back to us in their meat and milk? Is this a contributing factor to American obesity? -Kristen ------------- I say that it is an individual thing. You cannot make a group of people lose weight, there are too many different factors happening. Whatever diet they are proposing will not work for everyone! -Joyce ----------- Seems like a silly question to ask - " Where is the best place to confront obesity and the problems associated with it - at the societal level or at the individual level? " Undeniably, both issues, and more besides, need to be addressed, but we seem to have developed this idea that if we can just figure out which came first the chicken or the egg and then we can fix everything quickly and easily. -Brent Perry D.C. ---------------------- The article on obesity makes some good points but misses the basic reason for our fat society. Obesity is directly related to the advent of processed industrial foods. Food containing high levels of refined wheat flour, vegetable fats (especially those w/trans fats) and high fructose sweeteners (corn syrup) have changed the palate and the waistline of Western Civilization. Add to this a world where water is rarely the drink of choice and fizzy sugar water the norm and you can account for nearly every extra calorie that makes up the fat around so many waistlines. Any society that continues to consume such industrial food stuffs as a large part of its diet will become obese. The total increase in calories (above maintenance of normal weight) since early 1900s is found in the increased use of vegetable oil, sweeteners and refined wheat. The more sudden rise in obesity and syndrome X in the last 30 years can be directly linked to the rise in processed and fast foods. The answer is simple. Eat as our pre-agriculture ancestors did; flesh, vegetables, fruit and tree nuts. Leave the grains, legumes, dairy and industrial oils for those without the sense or will power to avoid them for what they are, slow killers and robbers of optimal health. -E. Frazer -------------- Obesity is largely a societal problem because misinformation from government agencies, big food company lobbyists, medical associations, nonprofit organizations (like the American Heart Association) and of course the media created and is sustaining this worldwide epidemic of obesity, diabetes and heart disease. The above culprits -resembling a military industrial complex -strongly endorsed and officially recommended plastic fats like margarine and vegetable shortening while condemning nutrient dense natural fats like lard, butter and coconut. As a result, we are sicker and fatter. Trans-fats in margarine and shortening inhibit red blood cells from effectively carrying insulin - this in people who are eating 160 pounds of sugar per person a year. Now doesn't our high sugar high carbohydrate diet require a lot of insulin? At this stage, then, we have the medical people who " manage " diabetes and heart disease. The food companies won't give up their profits and the medical people won't give up their patients. Hence, the misinformation and lies are generated to keep people confused and literally stupid. Society is corrupt and people are corpulent and they go hand in hand. -Al Watson ---------------- The reasons for the obesity epidemic are complex and no one answer can be derived to solve the problem. We have generated a society that no longer moves their arms or legs enough to use up the energy taken in on a daily basis. In the United States we are so afraid of sexual deviants that we don't even let our children walk to where they can catch the bus. As a former school board member I understand the pressure to remove physical education from the daily course work and replace it with a more academic class. In our effort to reduce heart disease throughout the past twenty years we have removed from the diet breakfast foods that could suppress appetite such as eggs and bacon and replaced them with carbohydrate cereals. We did not get this fat all at once. We may need to find solutions in the same manner. Concerned parents that are driving their children should perhaps walk with them to another area where another parent escorts them for a distance. With current energy issues in the world a national pride could be generated by everyone doing their part, much like the effort needed to win World War II. Making excuses for an imbalance in energy intake versus output will only make matters worse. -Matthew J Cherni, Ms, DVM ---- Concerning the War on Obesity…Sorry, but in order for an individual to change his eating habits it must first come from within. No one can force anyone to change their eating habits. It's great that all the options are out there and all the diets, etc. But in order to loose weight, the individual must CHOOSE to loose weight. The individual is the only one who can make the choice to eat or not to eat good and bad foods. The options for dieting are made available via news reports, magazines, etc., and this information helps to encourage an individual to make a choice. But a person doesn't loose weight simply by hearing and reading these things. It requires a decision to make a life change. -Cheryl Owens ------------------- Interesting subject; not a lot of time to focus on it right now; these are just initial thoughts. 1. The " problem " (and the " solutions " ) to Obesity do not have to be approached as an either/or issue; it is better to use a both/and approach. It is not EITHER about the individual OR about the Society; it is about BOTH the individual AND the Society. 2. Clearly, SOME individuals who have become obese have succeeded in reversing their situation; however, it seems that many, probably a majority, perhaps an overwhelming majority, have NOT been successful. In addition, the number of obese individuals seems to be increasing rapidly. 3. Clearly, obesity leads to other health problems and to tremendous costs associated with those problems. Those costs are only partially borne by the individual; they are spread across Federal and State taxpayers ( Medicare & Medicaid , VA , Tri-Care, CHIP, etc.); local taxpayers (charitable care by local hospitals for the indigent obese); employers (private health plans); co-workers (who assume higher premiums because of higher claims costs). 4. If Advertising, Marketing and Public Relations DON'T work, then why do corporations spend so much money on them? Clearly, they do work. Equally clearly, money spent to encourage consumption (including the consumption of food) has the intended effect. Compared to the relative pittance spent on programs to reduce consumption, the influence is one-sided. 5. Abstaining from pleasurable activities (like eating) is difficult. Engaging is less-pleasurable activities (like exercise) is also difficult. Eating & Sitting are easy. 6. Our " built-environment " is not conducive to movement; elevators and escalators are everywhere more convenient than stairs; suburban housing is not within reasonable walking distance of most amenities; TV's have remote controls; parking is adjacent to destinations, etc. Anyway, fascinating topic that goes way beyond obesity per se and into the whole Individual/Society conundrum. -Darrell E. Wells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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